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| dockcurrie User Info... | Hey, I'm running up against a wall here with gear that I really don't understand and so I was hoping to get some help here. I am a strong vocalist, bit on the understated side, I like to think of my voice as very close to alot of Guided by Voices. So I don't need anything to correct tonality or make up for massive swings between quiet or loud or anything. All I'm looking for is an affordable rig that will make my voice clear, effected (reverb), and loud without feedback. Right now I pick for mics between a Shure knockoff by Daiwa and a 58, I usually go with the Diawa - it just sounds warmer. That gets run straigt into a peavey XR powered mixer (600 or 800, I forget), which up until recently I have loved to no end. For quieter stuff the XR and Daiwa are deadly and make my voice sound great. But add bass, drums, and kick the guitar up to keep up and suddenly the vocals aren't nearly loud enough (and I'm belting it out by this point). When I turn the peavey up it feedbacks like nothing else. I've tried playing with the EQ to no end to no avail, by the time the EQ is at a point at which the overall sound is loud enough the vocals sound terrible because I've had to cut out my favorite frequencies. So what I'm asking for is if anyone knows what I should be putting in the peavey's effects loop, or what I should be trading the peavey in for if I want loud (really loud), clear, reverby vocals without feedback. Cheers. - Sun, 24 Sep 2006 2:40pm | ||
| Mofo User Info... | Hey, I'm a vocalist as well. I don't have a very advanced set up myself but I was just wondering if you are using balanced or unbalanced wire? I don't think it should make much of a dif in your case but thought I would ask anyways. I use a Digitech vocal FX processor (cost me about 200), it has a lot of lame FX that I'll never use but aside from that it does provide a clear sound and the ability to change quickly with a foot pedal to other preset sounds that you can set yourself or use the factory defaults. Here's a link if interested.... http://www.digitech.com/products/vocal300.htm - Sun, 24 Sep 2006 5:36pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | feedback issues: 1. cupping the mic. placing your hand around the capsule of the mic will cause feedback. #1 problem with "gangstars" who think thats the "cool" way of doing it. Try "half cupping" the mic on one side for the same sound, less feedback. 2. the gain is too high on your mic. NOT the volume, the GAIN. Your sensitivity on the mic (on the mixer) is too high. If you find yourself close to the mic anyways, bring the gain DOWN and the VOLUME up. 3. small jam space. if you're in a small jam space, you're fuct. try pointing the speakers towards a wall/corner? 4. too much effect on your voice. dont know WHY, I just know that too much reverb or delay does wierd things with feedback..... 5. no effect pedal that I know of will get rid of this issue. waste of money IMO. hope that helps - Mon, 25 Sep 2006 4:49am Edited: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 4:51am | ||
| Steve User Info... | Yeah, feedback has everything to do with the size and shape of the room and the relationship of the speakers to the Mic. Make sure the speakers are in front of the microphone and pointing away from the microphone. Place the mic and the speakers as far apart as possible. If the speakers are behind the microphone, then feedback is nearly guaranteed. Use a unidirectional microphone-this limits the direction that sound waves can bounce back from but in a small room, the sound waves are bouncing all over the place anyway so this might not help too much. You can dampen the feedback a little with eq but in a small room, once you have placed the speakers and microphone as far apart as possible, there is little you can do to prevent feedback-just get everyone to turn down. Try getting your drummer to practice on an electronic kit so he can turn down without compromising the tone or feel of his kit and then everyone else can play at normal volumes. Electronic drum kits are the way to go for rehearsal if you ask me. Whatever you do don't start spending more money on a bigger and more powerful PA!!! That won't change anything. If you are going to spend money on anything and you guys are serious about rehearsals then get yourselves an electronic kit. Your drummer might complain about it at first but this will be best for the overall sound and the quality of your practice time. Good luck! - Mon, 25 Sep 2006 9:11am | ||
| Mofo User Info... | I'm obvioulsy fairly new to setting up stuff myself, so thanks for the tips guys. - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 8:29am | ||
| Microphonic User Info... | yeah, or get your ringo to try playing with bundles. much cheaper than buying a set of v-drums. -dv - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:13am | ||
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