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And biggest sellout this year goes to...
| Message Board > General Chitchat > And biggest sellout this year goes to... |
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Eminem, what's up with those iPod commercials?!? - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 1:13pm | ||
| Soap Dodger User Info... | "Here's the deal, folks. You do a commercial - you're off the artistic roll call, forever. End of story. Okay? You're another whore at the captialist gang bang and if you do a commercial, there's a price on your head. Everything you say is suspect and every word that comes out of your mouth is now like a turd falling into my drink." - Bill Hicks - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 1:59pm | ||
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| Jesspsycho User Info... | can i have your autographs pls now that you are famous - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 6:30pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | no. - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 9:02pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Heh... I grabbed that commercial, that's awesome! - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 9:05pm | ||
| Demen Ted User Info... | no shit man... the orange is vibrant... - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:25pm | ||
| The Wolf User Info... | It's the Music Business now... MuchMusic doesn't seem to play music videos any more, and radio only plays the same 50 tunes so you need to market yourself different ways to maintain a career... - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:01pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | If you watched much music in the first place your an asshole - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:42am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I was chatting with Mike (from Fast Jacket) earlier about selling out. I mean selling out for a band that's getting there first record contract is one thing (survival is key), then there someone like Eminem who has a ton of stuff and doesn't need to sell out to Apple, and what's worse, I thought he'd never do something like that. He must be looking out for his daughter, and making a few extra dollars helps her out, I guess. - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 1:18am | ||
| Yo Mama User Info... | It would be one thing if people got credit for not selling out. But no one seems to give a sh*t if you do or don't these days. Saying no to what is probably a lot of money might in fact be dumb for a musician, no matter how much they already have. As far as I can tell, the general population is fine with selling out....it's just us music geeks who seem care. And chances are, every one of us would do the same given the chance. Does it even matter anymore? It used to be that your career would suffer if you sold out. Now, it seems to help. Go figure. - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:20am | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | "He must be looking out for his daughter, and making a few extra dollars helps her out, I guess" and I thought I was niave... - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 2:55pm | ||
| Jesspsycho User Info... | please - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 3:44pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | what's "selling out", anyways? - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 3:57pm | ||
| Ward Ensemble User Info... | Stewie Griphins Ipod commercial was better. - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:50pm | ||
| Sister's Inc. User Info... | I think that when you become famous you have to think of you future and if it's doing a commercial or having your song on a video game it's a smart move! Prepare for when your not touring or putting out albums, cause those days will come...market yourself everywere you can! - Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:16am | ||
| hijakt User Info... | Tell that to Neil Young. - Sat, 17 Dec 2005 8:08pm | ||
| jaundice escariot User Info... | Bill Hicks built my hot-rod. - Sat, 17 Dec 2005 8:54pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | why do people call it selling out? that just seems retarded to me, if music is how you plan on making money for the rest of your life then why not market yourself in a way that is going to make it at least a comfortable existence, if you can. It's funny the only people that ever talk about someone selling out are people that dont have the opportunity themselves. - Tue, 20 Dec 2005 3:28pm | ||
| The Box Drone User Info... | If eminem ever went on record as saying that he hated Apple & I-pods, then it would be selling out. But I don't think he has. Marketing yourself & making money doesn't necessarily mean you're selling out. Comprimising your ideals, or lying, etc in order to make that money is what makes you a sell out. Not that I have any love for Eminem mind you, but I do think the words "sell-out" are thrown around a little too liberally. - Tue, 20 Dec 2005 4:14pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | yip. - Tue, 20 Dec 2005 4:16pm | ||
| The Box Drone User Info... | Now, Micheal Jackson pretending that he doesn't think it's OK to molest boys just so he can win a silly court case... THAT's selling out! :P - Tue, 20 Dec 2005 4:20pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Even though it is for a good cause, I think its Rick Mercer for doing Government of Canada advertising.... (The one-tonne challange stuff) As for Eminem, he is getting cash from all angles with Apple. He's probably a pretty popular download from itunes I would imagine, plus the commercial. I find the advertising for Apple to at least be *relevant* advertising. He isn't (yet) doing the same thing for GM or Pepsi for instance. I hate commercial advertising for the most part, but I don't mind the relevant stuff that at least puts two aspects of the same product together. What I hate are babies used to sell autmobile tires or baby animals to sell laundry detergent. - Wed, 21 Dec 2005 9:33am | ||
| jackass User Info... | or those commercials where they try to make you think automobiles (and/or gasoline) are sooo environmentally friendly by using lots of "natural" imagery. Fuck that shit, I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT. - Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:31pm | ||
| alcoholly User Info... | or drinking beer gets you laid........... p.s. Eminem doesn't care what anybody thinks. And "selling out" seems to be in the eye of the beholder. No one can really say for sure what they will do until it's actually staring them in the face. - Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:57pm | ||
| Elliot User Info... | In order to sell out don't you need to have some sort of artistic values or morals to begin with? - Mon, 26 Dec 2005 3:11am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | if music is how you plan on making money for the rest of your life then why not market yourself in a way that is going to make it at least a comfortable existence, ------------------- I think that you've sold out once "music is how you plan on making money." - Mon, 26 Dec 2005 2:44pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | why, because you decide to spend your life making music? How exactly would you have a musician pay his or her bills then? I mean really if you are a serious musician that is practicing every single day what are you supposed to do, practice for five or six hours a day then go work an eight hour shift after that? What about all of the albums we all own, how exactly would we get those if someone wasnt getting paid for them? Would you rather it was just the slimeballs that run the record companies geting paid for the music? I think you would have a lot less musicians in the world if people couldnt actually make their lives doing it. Or if you did have musicians there wouldnt be nearly as many good bands if they had to divert their time between a forty hour work week and practice as well. I mean really it may be fun and something we enjoy doing but it's still a job, it just happens to be a job we love doing, which makes us luckier than almost anyone else in the world. - Mon, 26 Dec 2005 4:38pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | don't bother. they won't get it, no matter how you explain it. - Mon, 26 Dec 2005 6:01pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I myself just don't get why I even care about whether Eminem sells out, too me he just looked embarassing, course I miss his "Fuckin' Crazy" era. - Mon, 26 Dec 2005 6:15pm | ||
| Mofo User Info... | The whole notion of "selling out" was conjured up by a different generation, living with a much different music business. Yes, essentially the idea of over-marketing yourself for profit contradicts what music "should" stand for but, sadly we live in a over-marketed world. If its not glitzy and gold...it plain out don't fucking shine. I would be inclined to not call the likes of Eminem or U2 for that matter sell outs. Quite the contrary, this whole ipod thing is a subtle (yet blatantly obvious) attempt to change the music industry, and of course make some cold hard ca$h. As modern musicians, adaptability is key and these musicians are merely using the system to they're own benefit. Is that selling out? Maybe in the 70's it was...today I would call it buying in. Buying in is far from selling out. Its a lot like judo, you use your enemies own power to overcome him. Let s be realistic here, music is the only common human language, it has evolved from the cave just like us and will continue to do so. The music buisness is no different (altough its ideals may be different). Without the music there would be no business. "The man" will always put you down, but the music will always keep you up. - Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:42am | ||
| brad User Info... | "I think that you've sold out once "music is how you plan on making money." hmm..obviously this boils down to personal opinion plain and simple. I think i'd agree with the above statement ONLY if say your band started out completely against corporate advertising or playing for profit, then did a 180 when the dollars were waved in front of your face. this will likely NEVER EVER be a problem for me or many other people I know who play music. most of us dont play commercially viable music, therefore to even bother arguing the point seems a waste of time,lets face it. i think that a band like (and like em or hate em) Anti-Flag, has in my mind "sold-out" with their recent signing to a major label. now i certainly don't know all the details, but i'm thinking that they were probably carving out a decent living with their old label. but just maybe they were still given complete artistic control, with say the abilty to create their own sub-label and promote/develope other bands that they think should be heard. who knows, i don't personally play music for money, nor am i apposed to playing for profit. it just isn't likely to happen with the shit i play. if your bands sole purpose is to "get signed" and make shitloads of money, NOT doing any and all commercial advertising seems like shooting yourself in the foot. i think for me personally the day i start playing music solely for money, and it affects the artistic side of it, i will have sold out. but im not gonna say that if the greenbacks were waving in my face i wouldn't be signing on the dotted line if it made sense to do so. its easy to say you'd rather be a dishwasher the rest of your life and play solely underground, but wouldn't it be nice to be slightly rewarded for spending so much time rehersing,playing,touring etc? most "mid-level" touring bands still seem to have to work day jobs when they get back from being away, so again arguing about this seems somewhat wasteful. - Tue, 27 Dec 2005 3:42pm | ||
| Mofo User Info... | I agree, if your goal as a musician is to be heard (hopefully that is the case otherwise hmmm that just wouldn't make a lot of sense) then money should be of little concern. If your goal is the be heard on a large scale then unfortunately, you need the music business. Working with the music business doesn't mean that you are a sell out as you said. It is when as an artist your music says one thing and you do another. Left hand is doing something different thant the right syndrome. I guess that is all it comes down to is keeping it real artistically and to your fans (if you have any). - Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:59am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | You should be wanting a real job. Every little kid grows up wanting to be a "rock star" or a "movie star", majority won't. Very few will. Plan on making money the good old fashioned way. Thats why there are a lot of musicians in universities across the land. - Thu, 5 Jan 2006 8:56pm | ||
| Inhalien User Info... | Wow - that's the hard core truth right there. Truly, any musician that does not have a regular job to support themselves, if their music does not, will eventually need one. Yeah, you can travel around with your acoustic and live/play like a bum but I'll bet that gets tired. When my band played with NoMeansNo, Red Tide, Wardells, Dayglos over 20 years ago, we all had jobs - mostly restaurant. How can you buy gear without one? Drummer dude from NoMeansNo was washing dishes, just like I was at the time. I had the second worst drum kit on the planet and when we'd gig we'd share cymbals, stands, mics with other bands at the gig. Just the way it was. - Fri, 6 Jan 2006 1:24pm | ||
| Ward Ensemble User Info... | drinking beer DOES help the ugly get laid. - Fri, 6 Jan 2006 8:33pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Hey it never helped me out!!! - Fri, 6 Jan 2006 9:37pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | See the trick is to feed them more beer. Not you. Try again. - Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:45pm | ||
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