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Undying, Meatlocker 7, Misery Signals, End This Week With Knives, Iskra
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| Brian VIHC User Info... | Oh yeah, I wasn't there because I got called in to work. But somebody say how good it was. Claire tells me some crazy drunk bum who looked like a shell-shocked Vietnam vet/Charles Manson kind of nut showed up and moshed it up, and started out as kind of amusing but gradually became just freakish and scary. Did he at least grab someone and yell "Listen to me you snot-nosed little shit! I was taking shrapnel in Khe-san while you were crappin' in your hands and RUBBIN' IT ON YOUR FACE!!!!" - Sat, 23 Aug 2003 1:53pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Misery Signals stole the night. - Sat, 23 Aug 2003 3:27pm | ||
| Wreaker of Havoc User Info... | And Mr Hell's virginity I hear..... - Sat, 23 Aug 2003 5:45pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | That guy whom you heard about was Sargeant Lysol. He is an entertaining insect who likes to make random appearances throughout the city from time to time. He can also be seen as Island Beauties feature hooker this month. Personally auditioned by the main pimp himself. Saw Iskra. Good heavy, grinding metal with screamy vocals. Sounding from grindcore to doom. I look forward to hearing more! We enjoyed playing our set. The sound was pretty good in that room considering the set up. Nice crowd response a little moshing. If there was more moshing we would have thrown out a few more cd, but you get what you work for. Miss the other bands due to going to see Bram do a set with Pariah at Lucky Bar which brings me to... - Sat, 23 Aug 2003 8:38pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Undying was pretty dumb, who the fuck cares about tortured animals? - Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:06pm | ||
| Josh Nails User Info... | Alot of people care about tortured animals, however, veganism isnt really all Undying is about. Read some of their lyrics and other readings at their website and im sure youll see what I mean. http://veganpower.tripod.com - Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:36am | ||
| *GKdc User Info... | I care about tortured animals. And Undying? So sweet. Especially due to the fact that they are addressing social topics that are obviously above the metal "scene". They put on a great set, and that cannot be disputed. Misery Signals also killed. - Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:19pm | ||
| JOsh Nails User Info... | What are Mitochondrion's songs about? - Sun, 24 Aug 2003 1:30pm | ||
| jodi User Info... | Misery Signals were fantasic. I am impressed every time that I see them. I was a little disappoined that Savannah didn't play the victoria date, as they did previous dates with Misery Signals, but it was an amazing show nonetheless. - Sun, 24 Aug 2003 8:37pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | And Undying? So sweet. Especially due to the fact that they are addressing social topics that are obviously above the metal "scene". bahaha, sure. I liked them, until she went off about people who eat meat being selfish and immoral. You wouldn't appreciate a Christian band playing, telling you they were christian, saying they had flyers at their table, then hounding you about how you are going to hell... I enjoyed them yes, females vocals were wicked, but the pushing of veganism bah, not sorry to say I could never stop eating meat. I love being immoral and selfish. - Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:31pm | ||
| *GKdc User Info... | I really don't think pushing veganism is in anyway near the same as pushing Christianity, but I can see past that to your actual point. Totally valid. But when a band gets up on stage and talks about what motivates them, I can't help but be fascinated, whether I agree with them or not. I think that is what drew me into the "hardcore scene" in the first place. It was when I heard her first start talking that I thought to myself..." Nobody cares about this...." and then I realised that that was what impressed me. Hardly anybody in the room may have cared about what she was saying, but she was gonna say it anyway. And no, it's not the popular "metal" opinion, and its not even something "hardcore" kids seem to think about anymore...but it IS socially relevant, and it does effect each and every one of us, whatever our choice may be. So I think that even though I do happen to be vegan, it's not what she was saying that impressed me...it was THAT she was saying it. And I'm sure glad to be a part of any scene that supports bands that are unafraid to speak their minds. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 2:44am | ||
| anarchoblitz User Info... | Not a bad show. All the bands played well. Misery Signals were a great sounding band but with not much to say lyric wise. Undying were more political in a not so specific way. their lyrics generally tend to be gloomy pictures of the world. I think its great that the singer says some things between songs. Although veganism is not in itself 'revolutionary' (that is overthrowing political systems)it is certainly a more humane way to live daily lifem and healthier too. That being said, its not an issue worth losing friends over and the people who believe that veganism must be universal are not respecting indigenous ways of life. Undying also do make it clear where they stand on other issues. i.e. globalism, USA etc.. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:33am | ||
| anarchoblitz User Info... | It was good to see a couple of political bands at this show: Iskra and Undying. It would be nice to see these two bands play together in a different context.The others were fun to rock out to. except the last band which sounded like a shitty indy rock band. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:43am | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Yeah, I heard End This Week With Knives sound like indie pop now, what's up with that? Geez, and I own one of their shirts too. Oh well, the name on the shirt still makes it worth wearing just because no one knows what the hell it's about. And for me, if a band stands for something and wants to soapbox a bit, more power to them. I may not agree with what they say but it brings back memories of the old days. So long as they're not nazis or something, who cares. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 2:34pm | ||
| Josh Nails User Info... | Given my knowledge of the ideas that Undying base their band upon, I dont believe that they think that veganism should be universal. Basically what it comes down to is that the reason that the world is fucked is that thousands of years ago, one group of humans decided that their way of life was the only way right way for humans to live and started imposing it upon onther cultures, until their culture was the predominant one today. GO and read IShmael and the Story of B by Daniel Quinn, they are very eye opening books. I do believe that the animal rights issues that they talk about are mnerely a reflection of our cultures view that mankind is separate from the other animals. I dont think that they actually have a problem with people eating meat, rather the disrepectful way that fod animals are treated in our culture. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 2:47pm | ||
| Josh Nails User Info... | I woulkdnt really say ETWWK sound like indie pop now, more like the sound during their set was shit and they were very muddy sounding. they still play many of the songs they did before. Their new cd includes rerecording s of all the songs from their demo. Lyrically MIsery Signals is more of an emotional catharsis for its memebers, one of whom used to be the vocalist in COmpromise, who if you recall were involved in a tragic accident while on tour last year and two of the memebers died. Most of the lyrics on their Cd deal with that is a straight forward manner, that I find quite admirable, as I am sure, that it is difficult thing for JEsse (the vocalist) to talk about, and sharing his feelings in that manner is probably quite good thereapy for him. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 2:54pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | I was just gonna say that.. I got the whole story at the BWBK board.. so ya, I wouldnt say that lyricaly they had no message, you just have to know the history of the band to really understand them.. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 3:11pm | ||
| *GKdc User Info... | "Revolutionary" is not as a term limited to the overthrow of political systems. It can be used to describe views that differ radically from the "norm" in both political and social scope. Of course that said, veganism IS revolutionary. Come on, join the revolution! :) - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 3:23pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | If there is no steak or cheeseburgers at the revolution, count me out. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 7:03pm | ||
| Wreaker of Havoc User Info... | I agree with Mr Hell. Somehow a revolution just isnt a revolution without a big ole Bar B Q!!!! - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 7:51pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | Just for the record, I don't care that they are vegans, nor that they talked about it, it was just the way they said it. But it really is a long winded debate between two groups of people that will never change, each other disagreeing with the other. Animals eat animals, I eat animals, animals eat people, Horray! - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 7:57pm | ||
| Impending Sneeze User Info... | But we don't have factories where we turn humans into meat products for animals, do we? Not very often do animals get to eat people anyway. Personally I think Undying should have stuck to mentioning that there were flyers etc available for people interested in veganism and their standpoints. That way people can figure it out themselves anyway. To me this approach was a bit too aggressive and kind of dissapointed me. Their music was great though, impressive girl singer, curiously enough she sounds just like her male predecessor. But Misery Signals rocked all in my opinion, super tight, amazing bassdrum/riff coherence and great sound. How come their drum sound was so upfront without miking while ML7 was hardly audible, through a PA?? By the way, I wonder if people would be reacting the same way about a black metal band preaching satanism from the stage in a similar way as Undying did with veganism. They probably wouldn't care at all. - Wed, 27 Aug 2003 8:17pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Misery Signals drummer actually hits his drums with some force, which is why you could hear him. Ours is less aggressive with that. Sucks but oh well. Plus we only had the kick drum through the P.A. We asked how the sound was after the first song. You should have spoken up so we could have pressured Chris into hitting the drums harder. Live and learn I guess. - Thu, 28 Aug 2003 6:39pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | haha jasper, there ARE factories where humans are held for animals!! Oh wait... - Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:29pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | sorry if i started all this "veganism" talk, i just hate any band that starts talking about their beliefs during a show: ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS: I saw this band Divine Empire awhile back, between songs the bassist was saying all sorts of shit. He said something like "Fuck religious assholes!" and i was like "Hmm thats cool" but then he goes on and states "We're here tonight to celebrate the death of Saddam's two sons!" I'm like "WTF?", im not here because of some fucking people dying, im here to rock, not put up with some b.s. right wing patriot speech. Same goes with this concert, im not there to hear some person talk about veganism. If someone wants to get their view out, become a public speaker, instead of wasting our time blabbering on. Thats probably why I like death metal, there is usually no political motivation. It's more about the music. For the guy who asked about what Mitochondrion's lyrics were about, they arent really about anything real. They deal with like "mystical realms" of demons, magic, and fictious tales. We're not trying to preach to anyone, it's more about the music more than anything else. - Sat, 30 Aug 2003 2:38am | ||
| alias User Info... | thats why metal will always be behind punk/hardcore/crust, because the people associated are too busy rocking out to their egos then saying anything interesting. demons, religion and magical pink elephants have one thing in common, they keep people from understanding and dealing with reality. Its really too bad that so few metal people engage in any kind of progressive thought, with the heavy music it would be a powerful mix. - Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:00pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | but thats not the point. why the fuck should i listen to a musician about wht they think is right? what the fuck do they know? i'll listen to a university professor on politics if i want a political view. music is all about having fun and escapism, why would all these crust/hardcore bands play heavy music, if they didnt want to escape the daily b.s. ALL MUSIC IS ESCAPISM Even classical music is escapism, it paints beautiful images in your mind. So does punk/crust/ etc. they paint a picture in the mind of rebelling and going against "the man". So in other words Musicians are not the be all and end all when it comes to taking a stand...thus their reason for being musicians, not political analysts. who would you trust more politically? a guy/girl who yells nightly, or someone that knows their stuff and been through classes on politics? There's a time and a place for things, i just think music is losing it's grip with all this telling you how to think, what to do, etc. I mean metal is not the prime example of that, but look at me, i have short hair, i dress normally, i wear a baseball cap and all that. im not a long haired dude, with big spikes, and if you are thats cool, as long as YOU want to do it, not just cuz a band says so. - Wed, 3 Sep 2003 1:11am | ||
| pserah User Info... | personally, i feel that if you need to use music as a crutch to conform others to your "alternative" belief system (for lack of a better term), than you either harbour serious insecurities with your lifestyle choices, or only use this particular lifestyle(s) as a sick handle to feel superior to other people. a good example would be this show, who really needs to be called a murderer because of their choice to eat meat? i don't go to shows to be verbally abused or to feel persecuted for my dietary decisions. point being, regardless of whether it's left-wing or right-wing, propaganda IS STILL propaganda. - Wed, 3 Sep 2003 3:57am | ||
| jimmy User Info... | Why do people think that one must have a university degree in order to understand the world in which we live ? People don't give themselves enough credit! It is possible for people, who play in heavy bands, to have an education; we're not all stupid. Why do people think that bands who have somthing to say are trying to gain "superiority" over others? Perhaps they are simply concerned people who wish to share this concern with others in an attempt to communicate. I rarely see bands trying to actually control people minds. Its up to the individual to make their own decisions isn't it ? Personally, I enjoy hearing the different points of view that political bands have to offer. I don't get offended just because people choose to have a message to their music and I don't feel insecure because I know I have the capacity to make up my mind on certain issues. For example if a band was talking about some strategiesor ideas which promote a more humane world, i.e. one based on respect and sympathy, I would think to myself "yeah, well whats wrong with that? Many of us would prefer a world where people's needs are taken care of and we could just do honest work and have fun, don't we?Right now, as I see it, the world is full of misery and poverty and limiting to the creative potential of humanity". so I might agree and support the band's message. On the other hand if I hear a band who sings about killing, or war, fucking woment, getting wasted or superiority-as a lot of metal bands do- I may think "what is this band supporting? more depression, more death and misery. why would I want to support this? How would I feel if my 11 year old daughter or teenage son was listening to this message?This is not positive". Its fun to "shock and awe" the slumbering suburbanites and old church ladies but its certainly not somthing that promotes a positive scene. In fact, in the case of many black metal bands, it promotes a lust for violence which somtimes ends in murder or rape. Now I know murder and rape are far from the average metalhead's mind(hopefully!), but many of the bands do support these ideas. You know who they are as well as I do so there is no need here to list them. It seems that everyone is angry and discontent but there are different ways to empower ourselves against oppressive ideologies like religion or boring capitalist living structures besides resorting to satanism(i.e. christianity) or war gods. Isn't just "having fun" and letting people get massacred or enslaved to support our lifestyle just a little bit egotistical? I know we don't want to think about these things but they are never the less a part of reality. And repression may one day come down on us as well. Perhaps this is what some people in the metal scene want, "a return to the primal urges of man which is killing and conquering" as a lot of the neo-pagan occultist and nazi skinhead bands promote, in which case aren't they just as political but in a brutal an nasty way? Sure they are. The same people want to "cleanse the world of impurity" through "Aeonic destiny" and "Ragnarok" or whatever(you can research these things yourself, if you care to know what they are) where fascism is the political entity of such creeds. You may think that the metal scene is just about "having fun" but not for all bands, many have a political agenda which is not very fun at all. I think this is just another attempt to understand the violent world in which we live. It is confusing and complex and so violent creeds offer a direction which is attractive to angry young men. As musicians we all want to have a good time but we can also have an alternative vision which tries to make the world a better place to live, can't we?. I think as a listener it is important to be critical of the message but also be open minded and not so down on what people have to say, unless they actually do call for antihuman measure, as in the issues I mentioned above. Of course these bands have the right to say it, but we don't have to sit there and absorb it without criticism. by the way ignoring and tolerating is supporting, isn't it? Generall, within the local scene, no one is trying to control anybody. There is a big difference between forcing people to do somthing vs. voicing an opinion. It would be great to "escape" from depression, but I believe bands who are trying their best to understand themselves and their enviroment are not escapist. They taking on the reality of their existence full on in the search for some truths. even old school bands like Metalica(master of Puppets, justice etc.)or Black Flag did the same thing. I love all the extreme music, and i think many of us want similar things in life, wether punk or metal. These are just thoughts, I don't see myself as morally superior to other people just because I'm being critical. - Wed, 3 Sep 2003 1:32pm | ||
| DEATH User Info... | Jesus would you people please just say how you thought the bandS were??? Music isin't a pollitical debate, fuck what those vegans had to say, they think youre a murderer??? Fuck them , I think they're murderers for killing vegatables, theyre alive as well are they not? Music is about MUSIC, not your views, not pushing shit onto other people, just music. If you want to include a message or whatever into your tunes , fine, those who want to listen to it can, but christ people, fuck all this veganisim shit and weather or not they had the "right" or whatever to say whatever they did, lets hear how the damn show was!!!!! - Thu, 4 Sep 2003 6:14pm | ||
| dave User Info... | man, death is a goof. - Sat, 13 Sep 2003 2:10pm | ||
| some asshole User Info... | He may be a goof, but vegans are more arrogant and self-rightous than your average Christian. - Sat, 13 Sep 2003 4:17pm | ||
| DEATH User Info... | " man, death is a goof." Why? Because I'd like to read a show review on this show IN THE SHOW REVIEWS section and all I can see is people bantering on about veganisim??? Noone has even said how Ishkra *hope i spelled it right* sounds/sounded , I havn't heard them and only went in this thread to catch a review. If not wanting to talk about veganisim on a music board, and wanting to hear how a show I couldn't make it to sounded/was makes me a goof to you, oh well thats fine. My idea of a goof is someone who leaves a metal show and has nothing better to say than "wow, that really made me think about veganisim..." So back to being a "goof..." Anyone willing to put up a decent review of the show??? - Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:11pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | okeys i will Iskra opened up amazingly. Ripping through their set with intensity and all. Only problem was the kick drum was kinda off. But i enjoyed them anyways! I like the lead singer's vocal style, it's fucking brutal in the black metal-ish way. These guys kick serious ass. ML7 is a good live band. Full of energy and always playing some decent tunes. Im glad these guys played cuz theyre just damn well cool. The moshing part was funny, but i fell on a drumset and was in pain. Reall no sound problems here. Misery Signals were quite the good. I'd heard one of their songs and enjoyed it, so's i had a good time watching these guys dance around and play some funtime metalcore. Theyre quite talented and should rise quickly in popularity. Might i add their drummer was GOOD. I saw him just warming up and i was baffled. Besides Undying's blah blah dork speech, they werent anything too special. I mean, yeah metalcore, but something just lacked for me. The songs all sounded too generic. Also to let you all know, i made up my mind about two songs into the set WAY before they started jabbering on. The vegan talk only knocked them a notch lower. End This Week With Knives were...i dunno. They sounded kinda Converge-ish from what i could hear. And if i wanna hear a band that sounds like Converge i might as well just listen to them at home (or maybe go to their show...hopefully). I left the show 2 songs into the set. All in all the first 3 bands were turbo cool, but the last two didnt really do it for me. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 3:22am | ||
| DEATH User Info... | Right on Nick, thanks \m/ And I know I just went off about people bantering on about veganisim but, well I can't resist: The fact that the band was mallcore changes my whole opinion on the matter, now it's just hurtin funny, total steryotypical mallcore for you right there.. Accomplished the *talk about me* tactic pretty damn well to boot! And I heard something about one of the drums not coming in clearly, I thought it was ML7's though... Now I want to see Iskra though, I heard a few things about em, mostly "oh theyre blackmetal" not much more, but your taste in tunes hasn't dis-agreed with me yet nick, too bad they wont be playin' anytime soon *Or so I've been told* - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:42am | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Mr. Death, there's a huge difference between "mallcore" and hardcore bands (real hardcore has been around for 20+ years). Undying et al are bands that are hardcore but have a metal influence, thus the moniker "metalcore" was born. They aren't trying to be metal, they're basically punks who dig metal and add a bit of that to what they do. If they were mallcore they would have had a DJ and some dude with dreads and all their songs would sound like the Fast and the Furious soundtrack. But seeing how they fit within the broader category of punk, that's not their schtick. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 1:04pm | ||
| Josh Nails User Info... | Mallcore and Metalcore are not the same thing. Undying sound nothing like korn and the like. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 1:07pm | ||
| Tito Santana User Info... | um.. i agree.. death is a goof. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 3:02pm | ||
| DEATH User Info... | Isin't Korn still considered mallcore? *Though I applaud them for saying they don't claim to be metal and never have* - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:33am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Undying were FAR from Mallcore, Mr Death. try Metalcore. I thought they were good, and that little 90 pound girl sure could growl. Misery Signals however stole the show for me. I picked up their CD and it kicks ass. Some very well put together riffs, and original sounding to boot. They are from Milwaukee, but their singer Jesse is from Edmonton.. He hooked up with us last week when we played there which was cool.. As far as message in the music goes, Id have to agree.. although Ill draw the line on overtly racist messages, thats about it. I like Living Sacrifice, but I am anti-Xtian in general. They are a Xtian band to the core, but their music is killer. Same as alot of Black Metal ( non racist.. ) that I listen to, I think the whole concept of Satanism is as ridiculous as that of Christianity, yet it doesnt stop me from listening to some satanic music. - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:32am | ||
| DEATH User Info... | What the hell is metalcore then???? Back in my day metalcore was just another word for "nu-metal" I've had meny people use the term to describe the likes of bizkit, korn, kid rock etc. and thats the first and only usage of the word I've ever heard... Hey wait a sec, diddn't buddy up there just say they sound like korn?? Cuz if they do, I don't see how they couldn't be mallcore... - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 9:57am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Metalcore has never meant numetal. Its always been a sound of its own, and that is, typically hardcore style vocals (more yelling heavily as opposed to growling.. ) with more metal influenced riffs as opposed to the typical heavy punk inspired hardcore riffs that most people relate to hardcore music. Or sometimes I relate metalcore to death metal vocals with harcore riffing. Lamb Of God with their new album almost pass as metalcore, as do their labelmates HIMSA ( who played the same venue a month previous, where were you Death for one of the best heavy bands to ever play Vic??). And NO band there that night sounded like Korn! ( except maybe Iskra.. hehe ) And Misery Signals crushed. Did I say that already? - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:14am | ||
| Kristy/Mulletcore productions User Info... | uhm ....End This Week With Knives sound NOTHING like Converge...what so ever....what Cvonverge did u hear?! u sure it is Converge...u sure your heads on straight, I don't really agree with much your saying in this post. - Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:24am | ||
| Kristy User Info... | uhm ....End This Week With Knives sound NOTHING like Converge...what so ever....what Cvonverge did u hear?! u sure it is Converge...u sure your heads on straight, I don't really agree with much your saying in this post. - Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:28am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Id have to agree, I didnt hear any Converge in ETWWK's sound at all.. - Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:16pm | ||
| *GKdc User Info... | Well, according to me, both bands do sound terrible, so that could be the correlation. Although ETWWK is terrible in a more "rock" way than converge. - Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:18pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Converge's vocals really are terrible. Their sound has it moments, but I find it mostly grating. Didn't catch ETWWK unfortunately, but if they are like Converge it was no big loss. - Fri, 19 Sep 2003 7:15am | ||
| jackass User Info... | I'm listening to some tunes from Curl Up and Die and Converge right now...can't really tell the difference to be perfectly honest. Lots of noise. And kick drum. Someone with some seriously wrecked vocal cords too. Actually, I can tell the difference after all...converge's vocals are not as meaty and a little more spastic? - Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:55am | ||
| greg User Info... | Your bass playing sucks Mr. Hell. - Fri, 19 Sep 2003 7:10pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Thank you! I practiced at it for a long time and to get recognition for achieving my goal is very fulfilling! Thanks again. I guess I am in league with Mr. Coburn finally. - Fri, 19 Sep 2003 7:48pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | yeah man, i just heard like two seconds of the first couple of songs by End This Week With Knives, and it reminded me of some parts of Petioning The Emtpy Sky. Maybe it was just me, though. But thats a fuckign great Converge record - Sun, 21 Sep 2003 1:29am | ||
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