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is a high society a free society?
| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > is a high society a free society? |
| Matt User Info... | do you all think hard drugs should be legalized? i'll post my opinion when i've gotten some feedback - Fri, 24 Oct 2003 5:41pm | ||
| MonkeyWithNoBones User Info... | They should be mandatory! - Fri, 24 Oct 2003 6:00pm | ||
| penelopie User Info... | Legalizing hard drugs would be making it socially acceptable, enabling people who would probably never go near the stuff, because of the stigma attached, to try it. Many people have the ability to not do things in excess, but to bring something so addictive to the people just spells disaster for those with addictive personalities. As if alcohol and tobacco haven't caused enough problems.( alchohlism,to many deaths to count) I wouldn't wish an addiction on my worst enemy. So a definate no would be my answer. - Fri, 24 Oct 2003 6:21pm | ||
| METALNECK User Info... | Yeah, I deffinately think it should not be legalized but I also think they should have like a special park where junkies can go and buy their shit and do their shit and not have to be arrested for it so that they are out of the downtown core where they sell more shit to people. It would also be easier to concentrate efforts for rehab and shite if you knew where all the junkies were. problem is that no one would want to live in the area where they could do it, except maybe for junkies. So really my idea wouldn't work and so I have no valid input. - Sat, 25 Oct 2003 5:06pm | ||
| Mac User Info... | How about a Junkie Island?(Not this one). Just ship 'em all out.Give them an Island and supply their drugs free of charge! - Sat, 25 Oct 2003 6:37pm | ||
| \m/ User Info... | This IS junkie island - Sat, 25 Oct 2003 8:01pm | ||
| Matt User Info... | monkey, you are fuckin' dumb if your being serious i don't care if pot is legalized, but crack, heroin etc???? fuck, i'd emigrate right away canada would become a shithole (moreso) - Sat, 25 Oct 2003 9:41pm | ||
| MonkeyWithNoBones User Info... | Victoria has a huge drug problem. Geographically Victoria and Vancouver have become a mecca for hard drugs. Does anybody have any answer as to get rid of the problem? No. Safe injection sites? well that may work if they were properly funded - but they won't be. they'll be underfunded, underused and in a short time rendered uselss. You think people want to put their tax money towards feeding junkies? no. I think ideally it would be great, but again we live in a society that is much to conservative to put anything into action, nevermind the overbearing influence of the US. - Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:11am | ||
| Matt User Info... | so your solution is "they should be mandatory?" good one - Sun, 26 Oct 2003 7:08pm | ||
| The Queen User Info... | I think that weed should be the only drug that is legalized. I haven't seen pot smokers destroy their lives because of their drug of choice. The other ones are all shite. I watch as alot of my friends and some family members slowly kill themselves or become financially screwed because of their drugs of choice. Hard drugs destroy the user in more ways than just physically. They destroy relationships, the ability to hold down a job, the ability to function somewhat normally in society. Making drugs like coke and heroin etc... legal will also make them more readily available. (for example alcohol and cigs are pretty easy to get) The LAST thing Canada needs is a bunch more junkies running around. Also, what kind of example would we be setting to our youth? They are already pretty experimental (at least I was)...yeah go ahead, after all it's LEGAL! Dumb idea to legalize all drugs. - Sun, 26 Oct 2003 7:34pm | ||
| D�ds anger User Info... | I agree with the queen. I have a solution, get caught using hard drugs - get sent to the army after 2 offences. That would certainly scare me off! I have long hair! *it's not soo bad, it's the Canadian army after all, mostly logging...(poke,poke)* - Sun, 26 Oct 2003 7:55pm | ||
| Dan Conner User Info... | I think they shouldn't be legalized, but decriminalized, and regulated through the government. This means the gov. can sell untainted shit, for less, meaning dealers can't compete with the low prices, so they wouldn't be hangin around schools, adn dealing to kids. It could be then made so only safe injection sites are allowed, and slowly taking out all of the unpleasantness beisedes the drugs themselves... but pot and stuff? oh yeah. - Sun, 26 Oct 2003 8:48pm | ||
| Matt User Info... | c'mon death, you know damn well that logging isn't canadian anymore US transnational corporations have bought all our logging industry (and most of our others too) oh well, on the plus side, we can pay these corporations $25 for a baseball hat that says "Canada, EH!" sweet! good thing british columbians even say "eh" good idea though...military service...druggies could go die in the middle east instead of productive members of society. i like it - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 1:54am | ||
| D�ds anger User Info... | Yep and worst case scenario we just go with casturation or zyklon b. ... What??? I said WORST CASE! *And by that I diddn't mean Rosie O'Donnel and Rita McNeil holding hands, streaking down the middle of Douglas either.... Allthough in that case I again am gonna have to recommend some Zyklon-B* - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 3:40am | ||
| Matt User Info... | mac, you goof, taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for junkie's habits...fuck em - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 8:22am | ||
| The Queen User Info... | Tax payers ALREADY pay for junkies habits. Hospitilization, policing, methodone programs, rehab programs that are usually unsuccessful. We already pay...so why not pay for a new alternative that is proven to work in other places.(safe injection sights). - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:22am | ||
| Matt User Info... | fuck it, let's send them off to war - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:15pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | Now thats an idea right there, good thinkin' matt - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 4:49pm | ||
| Matt User Info... | thanks brandon but it's really dodsanger's idea off to war junkies! make us proud! or die, whatever - Mon, 27 Oct 2003 7:50pm | ||
| METALNECK User Info... | The main problem with the whole send em to war thing is do you really want to trust your country's defense to a strung out junkie with a gun? - Tue, 28 Oct 2003 5:24pm | ||
| Chryst_al_Mighty User Info... | Well depends - if there was some sort of reward system set up- like kill three enemies and get a big ol wack of down then Ya they'd be the most trustworthy fighters a country could ever wish for! - Tue, 28 Oct 2003 5:26pm | ||
| METALNECK User Info... | HEY now thats an idea! - Tue, 28 Oct 2003 5:28pm | ||
| created to kill User Info... | the idea of legalizing weed and letting govt. take control of regulating it would be a bad idea.think about this.the govt. starts competing with street dealers prices and forces dealers into a situation where they have to punch back in order to stay in buisness.so in time cocaine becomes cheaper and more accessable? the commonality of the drug becomes even moreso making it that much harder to keep it under some kind of control. i say let the street dealers have the weed.after all the general consesus is that weed isnt killing people. im not saying im right but i think i do have a point. - Wed, 29 Oct 2003 7:26am | ||
| Isolation Ride User Info... | Weed. - Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:24am | ||
| D�ds anger User Info... | See, even grand marnier sipping englishmen can't make a dignified heroin user: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/23/ And as for the weed, It works for holland, and there personal growers do sell their shit on the streets because authentic home grown is still sought after by some people,and they can sell it cheaper than the stores and still make a profit, ever see those dudes selling smokes for 4 dollars a pack on the streets? theyre arms are empty in no time flat... for instance its not every day in holland you can find and buy the KILLER shit unless its off of a private dealer *as in a regular person not little shop, though im sure some exist that grow their own* - Wed, 29 Oct 2003 2:22pm | ||
| Rob User Info... | Ha, 2 the second or third post. you've never seen pot ruin anyones lives? Remember high school? Or waait, is that just ruining 3 years of your life and your brain, because after that you'll defenitely be smart enough to get into any kind of secondary ed. you want. I know at least 20 ppl who's lives are fucked due to being stoned all the time. and the saddest thing is they don't care, cause they're always numb. could've gradded 2,3,4 years ago, but goota work that dead end job to afford an O every 4 days. Oh and my onpinion is that all drugs should be legalized. No on sells things that are legal to underage kids, it's a lot easier to get pot/crack/illegal fireworks at school than it is to get alcohol and legal fireworks(halloween, ya know) anywhere. - Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:10am | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | All depends on how you define a "ruined life". I started smoking Pot in High school in the 60's. I didn't grow up to be an unthinking consumer gog in the corporate machine or to believe that the media lost the war in Vietnam for the US, so yeah my life is totally fucked. It's time you darlings developed your own ideas about a life well lived. - Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:42am | ||
| The Queen User Info... | Rob- I smoked weed all through highschool and into my early to mid twenties. I managed to not only graduate from high school (with decent grades), but I am an "A" student in my second year of post secondary(ironically enough I am taking Criminal Justice). I also have many friends who still smoke it, and who are some of the most productive, ambitious, successful people I know. Sure there are people who didn't make it through high school or are total burn outs, but I think that is more indicative of their personal character. I was raised in an abusive alcoholic family. When I was 13 my dad quit drinking for good. He didn't quit smoking weed. But he is a MUCH better person for it. Now when his friends come over for drinks he's smokes a joint to relax and socialize. People actually like being around him instead of fearing him. He is a super hard working, intelligent and successful man....he would have been NONE of these if he continued drinking. It is possible to smoke weed and be a functioning individual. - Sat, 1 Nov 2003 5:14pm | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | The problem is not the drugs but the cost of the drugs. Herion and Cocaine are very cheap to produce. They are illegal and the production and distibution is in the hands of people only interested in maximum profit. The people dependent on these drugs are forced to pay $300, $400 a day to support that habit. The only way most of them can afford such a habit is to commit property crimes and ripoffs. Legalized hard drugs would take away the profit motive and the price would be more like 3 or 4 dollars a day. The people with the most to loose of course would be the drug dealers. You can be sure that they are doing all they can to make sure the drugs remain illegal including spending some of that drug money on politicians and lobby groups. You really need to look into who profits from the current situation. For example the people who prosecute drug cases work for private legal firms who are rewarded for their success rates. Do you think they would like to see drugs legalized? How about the prison system, 60% of the people in jail are there for drug related offences (such as those property crimes). Do you think that the people who make a living from our penal system want drug reform? The Americans who make the most noise about Canadians looking to legalize drugs, who is giving them their campaign contributions? - Fri, 7 Nov 2003 10:13am | ||
| The Queen User Info... | Some interesting and valid points Troutbreath....never thought about it from that perspective before. - Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:11am | ||
| troutbreath User Info... | Pure heroin really isn't that insidious. Heroin and the morphine family of drugs (Dilaudid, fentanyl, and others) are quite useful in medicine. However they are addictive if used when pain is not an issue. But not nearly as addictive as Nicotine as was attested by the gleeful inter-office memo's at Big Tabacco. Again you get back to life style. If ALL your money is going to the drug rather than say...food, housing, clothing or anything else you're going to go downhill to say the least. Pure heroin is seldom available to the average junkie and would be fatal at the doses most use. It is usually cut, again to maximize the profits. You hope that it's cut with something relatively benign when injected but...well you just never really know do you? It's the crap the heroin is cut with plus the dirty needles used to inject that cause the secondary infections and disease. People have used heroin for years and held down jobs, written novels, played in Rock and Roll bands but because they can afford to take care of themselves and the habit they don't get into the typical user lifestyle. - Fri, 7 Nov 2003 9:45pm | ||
| Rendrag User Info... | "Them" are "Us"-whether you can see down off your high horse or not. How come some people can live just fine under the same circumstances that mentally and physically cripple others? I hate the word "responsibility",but I think it is the key to longevity,but hey, maybe your philosophy/religion says that some people deserve to suffer....I guess being human means you get to spew trips across the board. - Sat, 15 Nov 2003 1:48pm | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | "but hey, maybe your philosophy/religion says that some people deserve to suffer" It doesn't have anything to do with philosophy or religion, but with physiology. There is such a thing as an addicitve genotype. Some people can do drugs and it doesn't do much for them, others do coke once and they're an addict. It's an area that needs more research. However our society seems more interested in punishment than understanding, And so you know, I can see just fine from up here. - Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:34pm | ||
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