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Record Companies smartening up
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| Robnoxious User Info... | So my buddy shows up with the new Godsmack disk and I scoop it to bring home and rip. Put it in a Rom drive and all you get is a link to a website. Reads no cda icons at all. Works fine in a regular C.D. player, but not computor friendly. Way of the future? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 8:05am | ||
| Neil User Info... | right on, that's good news. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 8:22am | ||
| Anonymous | Just wait a little while - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 9:49am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Aye, give it a few weeks and someone will have cracked it. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:18am | ||
| Holmes | Fuck that - I would immediately return it to the store as defective. I've invested a lot in my computer sound system so that I don't *need* a stand-alone CD player, so anything that won't play in my computer is GARBAGE. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:11pm | ||
| Holmes | Of course, you are a scumbag thief no better than a jonesing smack addict who busts into my house so he can pawn my CD collection, so I gotta blame YOU, asshole. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:12pm | ||
| Anonymous | all you gotta do is have is one program: one that can record and edit audio. if you get a cable that can go from your cd player's line out jack to the computer's line in, and you change the source on the computer's sound control panel to sound in, then go into the recording program, just hit record and play the entire cd. then you have to edit it down and save each song as a single AIFF file and then convert them to mp3. it takes a while, but it's worth it, and then you can burn the AIFFs or mp3s to a cd and give it to other people to copy. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:17pm | ||
| Anonymous | if you already have the disk, then its already on Kazaa or similar - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:17pm | ||
| Holmes | "it's worth it" More like it's worth it to pay the paltry sum to buy the CD and ensure that the fucking artists don't end up owing their record label a MILLION DOLLARS. Yous guys = Thieves. It is a simple as that. You might as well be stealing chocolate bars from 7-11. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:39pm | ||
| Anonymous | I dunno...there is something cool about record companies getting kicked in the teeth by angry programmers with more brains. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 2:13pm | ||
| XtokezzzX | you people are ignoring the most important fact here: GODSMACK? WTF? "hi, i just got back to my house and put a log of stinky cornlump shit in my computer and no music came out." jesus christ. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 2:18pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | stealing is fucking fun man. anything, i don't care. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 2:22pm | ||
| Anonymous | i haven't heard of any musician going broke because of mp3 trading. remember we copy music on to tape before computers, and i have hundreds of those tapes. only about 5% of the worlds population has computers at home. this is all very old news, can we please leave the 90's behind. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 2:45pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | got anything i can steal? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 2:50pm | ||
| Holmes | You can make all the rationalizations you want. Stealing is stealing. If you rip a copyrighted CD that you do not yourself own, you are a thief, plain and simple. If you do not agree with these laws, you certainly have the opportunity to become politically active and work to have the laws changed. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 2:50pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | sounds like you think that people feel bad about stealing or something? Is that what you think? You won't find many people on this board who operate fully within the confines of the law. last time i got upset at being called a thief was grade 2. and that was when i stole some kids crayons. people who don't have much money don't care about stealing unless it's their shit or someone they know. ask around. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:02pm | ||
| Holmes | Good for you, Ross. I don't particularily care whether you're proud of being a thief or not, but folks are trying to make it seem like they're fucking Robin Hood or something. They're not. Since I don't consider you friend or family, should I feel particularily bad if I were to, say, steal your favorite guitar? How about your car? Would you *like* that? If you would feel bad, what the hell makes you want to subject other people to this? Are you a sociopath? I don't particularily recall when people figured that burning CDs was a necessity, like eating bread or having a jacket in the cold, but offering up excuses like "those record company's are rich", "I wouldn't buy the CD anyway," or "MP3s haven't caused record sales to decline" is bullshit. If you don't want to pay for something don't. If you take it anyway, you are stealing. You also need to understand that I'm not advocating for major record companies. I think their pricing and practicing SUCK, the RIAA is fascist, and SOCAN is a rip off. I have the choice, however, of joining these organizations and advocating for chages - just like the people who put these rules into effect did in the first place - or not dealing with them by not purchasing their products. Anything else is lame and grade 2, dood. Grow up. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:08pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | That Godsmack was on the net weeks before it became retail. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:12pm | ||
| Anonymous | Holmes - Don't make it about the musicians getting ripped off. The entire music industry is based on ripping musicians off. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:17pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | you're on another planet man. you may be the only person on earth (not in a major band) who gives a shit about burning enough to not do it. I personally don't rip cd's because I really don't give a shit, and I don't buy many cd's anyway. But I've never, ever met someone who said" I'm not burning music from the computer. It's wrong.". I think the vast majority of people would take something if it was free and anonymous like that. I burned a few playstation games a couple years back. Too bad for them, it's better than spending 70 bucks for a new one. That was all I cared about then. Free or pay for it? Most people would take the free. Just my opinion though....... - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:20pm | ||
| Holmes | No. What I am saying is that ripping a CD which you do not own is theft. I don't give a flying fuck why you're doing it. By stealing music, you're certainly adding to the rip-off, not improving the situation. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:22pm | ||
| Holmes | Ross: replace FREE with STEAL and your message is bang on. And you're right: the fact that you can steal the music off a CD annonymously does allow cowards who would balk at physically stealing something to feel like it's okay and 'free' to steal the work of someone else. Remind me, when I'm at any shows you play, to sidle up to the merch table and help myself - I take it you think that's okay. H ps: What makes you think I'm not affiliated with a major? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:26pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | About the major thing, I was just assuming. I figured you'd mention it if you were. Doesn't matter though. I think most people feel that label released cd's and shit are public domain or whatever, like anything else you can get off the computer. Actually stealing something off a table or whatever, physically, takes balls and stupidity that most people can't muster. It's a weird situation when something is on a computer and not in the store. It's so easy to get for free, without any repercussions at all, sthat everyone seems to do it these days. Lots of bands tell you to steal their shit too. Mostly punk or metal bands I guess. If yer in music for the big dollars, which is cool and what lots of rock bands do, then I can see it as a huge piss off. But the shit I listen to these days, mostly my friends' bands and some major bands that don't charge 25 bucks or whatever for a brand new cd. So it doesn't affect me, even though I don't own a burner and don't ever plan to. All the shit I listen (except the free ones my bros gave me) I paid for. I like to splurge every now and again, I like having the liner notes and actual cd and shit. But I think most other people don't feel that way. I'm never going to be in a band that makes any money, so I'm on the other side of the fence on this. I think stealing from the computer is for the people who want the mainstream shit but don't want to blow hundreds on cd's at a store. Not all, but lots of it is like that anyway. That dude who posted earlier was right though. There's not much bands can really do is there? Someone will always figure out a way to get it on the computer. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:33pm | ||
| Cut off their feet; they'll never do it again! | If the folks in the music industry can't keep up with technology, and they think that crying foul and hoping that the children will all play nicely and use the honour system is a good solution, then they're obviously in for some trouble. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:40pm | ||
| Holmes | Yea, and if your mom doesn't buy a bullet proof vest, it's her fault if she gets shot. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:54pm | ||
| Anonymous | You couldn't PAY me to listen to the crap!! - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:54pm | ||
| Anonymous | So, ROSS BAY, you're the bastard that stole my crayons!!!!!!!!! - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 3:57pm | ||
| Jonathan | I wish someone would record me, playing with my veeeeery small penis. I can't even begin to describe how small that little Mo' Fo' is. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:08pm | ||
| Dr.LOAD | Ross Bay is right, people really don't care about stealing in any situation. I think that in a perfect world we could download all the music we want and then go out and buy the stuff we like to support our favourite artists, but damnit, people aren't gonna pay for what they can get for free. The only reason I pay for cds is because I spent so much damn money on my stereo that I may as well go blow 25$ a pop on cds just to get the best sound possible, but that's just because I'm obsessive about music and not in a healthy way. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:13pm | ||
| Cut off their feet; they'll never do it again! | Is "burning cd's" code for "shooting my mom"? What are you talking about? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:18pm | ||
| Holmes | You imply that it is a record company's own fault if they can't keep up with technology to prevent theft. In fact, there is a culture which says that copying music is okay and not theft the same way that stealing something physically would be. You are right that no matter what kind of convoluted protection is used, it will be broken. That is pretty obvious and has been since the first computer games had those funny code wheels. What I object to is the culture of theft that has developed and the rationalizations which people use to try to say that it's okay when it is not. My property is my property and I have the right to object to its being stolen. I think we are all happy that our country is generally safe enough that we can presume that our property will not be taken from us without our consent. No matter how you look at it, you are taking this right away from the people involved in a CDs creation when you steal the music from it. In a perfect world, you would then be giving up your own right and so, I could walk into your house and take whatever the hell I wanted, had you stolen from me. It's much easier to say that you're stealing from the record company and feel okay because, you know, what's a big faceless corporation? But dood, it's the bands that pay for the CD, not the label. By the time the CD hits the shelves, the band is probably up to their eyeballs in debt, so in fact, by stealing the music, you *are* screwing the band, not the label. Regardless, theft is theft however you like to dress it up in fancy clothes and try to make it talk nice. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:21pm | ||
| god smack eats cack | I was watching jay leno for some stupid reason and godsmack played and in my humble opinion they are probably one of the shittiest bands i've had the unfortunate experience to listen to and I consider myself to be very musically open-minded.(I mean fuck I even see talent in eminem!). - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:32pm | ||
| Cut off their feet; they'll never do it again! | So you've got a beef. I think drawing parallels between burning cds and going on a mom-shoot is a bit sensational, which is something I noticed about your posts - you seem really pissed that about the kind of morals some people have around this. I'm not saying that burning cds helps musicians, but since you can't control people's morals what do you think are some other ways to deal with the situation? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:42pm | ||
| Anonymous | jeez. mr holmes here must have been ripped off an awful lot to have such a strong point of view. which is exactly what it is. a point of view. not everyone will agree with you. who gives a shit. my opinion? i'm pretty sure that the bands who are having their songs "ripped off" are fully aware that the times are changing. i think the only money to be made in the music industry anymore is in merch and ticket sales for concerts, which equals more touring. what a pompus assed attitude to have, mr. holmes. and that's MY opinion. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:44pm | ||
| Brett | Jesus fucking christ holmes, you are comparing stealing a guys car to stealing a fucking song from some rich band. The majority of the cd's I own are bought because I like to support bands that I like and most of them are pretty underground. But I have never hesitated to burn a cd of a band a sort of like. Who gives a fuck if some twelve year old kid burns the latest 50-cent cd. Those guys make way more than they deserve anyway. Get a fucking life and worry about something thats a little more important then stealing a bit of music. Also the reason locks were invented is people can't steal each others shit! so it is the record companys fault for not putting some sort of lock on the music. Imagine if all the stores downtown didn't have locks on them. There wouldn't be shit left in ten minutes. think about what your saying before you get all high and mighty on us - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:46pm | ||
| Holmes | Brett: You've used exactly all the rationalizations that make it 'okay' to steal. Theft = theft. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 4:57pm | ||
| Holmes | Cotf;tndia!: I agree that people's morals can be pretty set. Most people, however, do not like getting own their shit stolen, so it is perhaps more a matter of perspective than morals. If people can see that stealing music is still stealing someone's property, then their morals may kick in. Believe me, though, I don't have any illusions about it. Certainly, the response here is typical. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:01pm | ||
| Redundance... | theft = theft banana = banana 4 = 4 ... - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:03pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Holmes must be Lars. If i wanna rip MP3's for my own enjoyment and not swap CD's out constantly that's my business pal. And legally have the right to do so. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:05pm | ||
| Holmes | Theft=theft is a truism, not a redundancy. Nice try though, slagger. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:06pm | ||
| Holmes | Shaggy: You do legally have the right to make a copy of a CD that you, yourself own. The CDR(A) levies ensure your right to do this and I hate paying a levy for a CDR that I'm going to record music that I recorded on. This is another example of how 'copying' has led to idiotic laws which screw: me, the musician. However, no one was talking about that. The original post indicated that dood was copying his friend's CD, not his own. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:07pm | ||
| Cut off their feet; they'll never do it again! | Fair enough. I think that a person's morals and perspective have a certain correlation, so I'd hesitate to implicate one over the other. What you're saying is true though; that people who burn cd's likely don't consider it theft to a degree suffient to be deterred on moral grounds. Why do you think that might be? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:15pm | ||
| Anonymous | Holmes=Baby needing a nipple to suck on - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:17pm | ||
| who cares? | Anyone that gets into creating music, or art in general, for money, is a fool. It will not happen. Or at least statistically, it won't happen for you. Most, not all, bands that are big have been "conditioned" by someone else for the masses. The moment an artist compromises his/her creation for the masses, they are creating pop, not art. Fuck 'em at that that point, steal away. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:23pm | ||
| Holmes | If you hate these 'rich' musicians so much, why the fuck would you listen to their music? Aren't you worried that their corrupted world view will rub off on you? Isn't that kinda the point of music? While I'm sure Mr Lars Ulrich has a few ulcers from trying to reconcile his hypocritical beliefs, you still have the opportunity to IGNORE THE FUCKERS. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:31pm | ||
| Dave | If you're borrowing a friends CD to burn it and don't pay said company for it, then it's theft. On the other hand, when I buy a band's CD I sure as hell better be able to write it to my hard drive, copy it to a back-up CD or rewrite it as MP3 format. If the record company has put out a CD that you are unable to back up or copy I would return the CD and email the band why you returned it. I ALWAYS copied my albums to tape because I didn't have a portable record player in my car or one I could take with me. If I buy something, I have a right to protect it and according to myself, that means making a back-up copy. If I buy a CD, I am paying the record company for the ability to listen to an artists' songs and I believe I should have the freedom to listen to those licensed songs in whatever format I choose. I would stop just short of copying an album and giving it to a friend so I could listen to it at their place. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 5:47pm | ||
| Anonymous | The only C.D.s I buy are from bands who need it and have good morals. I (If I thought they were good) Would have no problems ripping a godsmack c.d because.... The days of rock stars sniffing cocaine off some set of huge tits is over,therefore those bands who openly think they are rock stars will not get my money,because I do not agree with the attitude they portray. Godsmack openly support war and have even had a song used for a U.S. marines commercial. If your playing Jay Leno you don't need My support and I wont buy into a major record labels marketing plan. I don't want to be told what is good. I want to find good music, and I do that with the help of the internet. And I may find a band that is good and needs my support and they will get it. Godsmack will not. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 6:13pm | ||
| Anonymous | nipple Holmes nipple - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 6:19pm | ||
| Holmes | Yes, anonymous fucko, I do like nipples, thank you. H - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 6:22pm | ||
| Curious George | If I honestly felt that by burning a band's CD, I was hindering their creative process, then I wouldn't do it. But the fact of the matter is that 90% of signed bands out there are so endebted to their record company that they don't see any money from CD sales anyways. They make all their money from shows and merchandise. Yes, burning CDs is stealing. But in my opinion, it's justified. The record companies are raping the bands, and ripping us off. Ever wonder why it's only HUGE bands that are crying about CD piracy (Limp Bizkit, Metallica, etc.)? It's because they're not being loaned money by their record company any more. Maybe if the record companies lowered CD prices to a reasonable level, people would start buying again. But as a musician who has put out a few inconsequential albums, I would WAY rather have my music be heard by everyone, rich and poor, and trust that if you like it, you'll support me financially. That's what I try to do with other band's albums. If I download it, and like it, then I'll go out and buy it. But if I download it, and it sounds like someone took a shit on a guitar (cough *Limp Bizkit* cough), then I won't buy it. Simple as that. Maybe it's time for bands to become a little bit more creative with their albums. For example, the new Weezer CD had a ton of extra DVD stuff that you could check out on your computer, but only if you bought the album. That encouraged people to go and purchase it. In today's music world, putting out a 12 track CD with 2 singles isn't enough to get people behind you. Metallica sucks, and they're putting out shitty albums that no one wants to buy. And they're blaming CD piracy on their lack of album sales. Maybe it's because THEY SUCK. Same with Limp Bizkit and Korn and all the other shitty fucking nu-metal fad bands. Anyways, that's enough verbal diarrhea. Hope that made sense. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 6:23pm | ||
| Robnoxious User Info... | Did I open a can of worms here? Also I think Holmes needs a life. Turn off your computor and go for a walk or something Dude. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 7:19pm | ||
| Duh... | Mmmm...stealing is bad...mmmkay? - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 7:53pm | ||
| moron User Info... | That's what you get for buying crap like Godsmack. Next you will be complaining that the P.O.D. disc you have bought won't play. [email protected] http://industrial.org - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 8:19pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Holmes yer a fuckin idiot. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 8:55pm | ||
| RSBF User Info... | call me crazy, call me what you will......... GODSMACK are beautifully wicked in a wickedly beautiful kinda way. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 9:08pm | ||
| Anonymous | If you want to make a statement like that you need to explain yourself or I'll brand you an american. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 9:33pm | ||
| Jason User Info... | I don't know why your all wasting your time on "holmes", who has obviously had a dick in his mouth for so long he's forget it's there. "Holmes" is like a prisoner of war who has been broken and is now so brainwasshed he's willing to defend his captors. Kinda sad. For the forseeable future you wont be able to hide data on a CD. Even if they start using encryption requiring the end user to a have a key, the nature of the business dictates that the encryption will not be open source, which gaurantees it's vulnerability (never mind the key proliferating). Ofcourse encrypting data on a photon supposedly works but that's a long way off. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 9:59pm | ||
| Anonymous | Hey Holmes, do you consider people who buy second hand CDs, thieves. I mean, after all, the musicians don't see any of the money from second hand sales. If I buy a CD, I should have the right to rip it and send it to my friends. I always lend books to my friends so what's the difference. I did buy it. It is mine to do as I please. I see no difference between phyiscally handing a book to my friend or sending them a song electronically. If the record companies or artists don't like that, then they should buy it back from me. - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:07pm | ||
| Troutbreath | What we are seeing here is the emergence of a new way that music is created, recorded, distributed and performed. The Big Record labels are having a hard time understanding and reacting to the changes. Our band has access to sound and video recording options that didn't exist even two years ago. We have a website that can be checked out by anyone anywhere in the world. There is an enormous potential here. We do need to figure out how to make it all work for us without having to pay royalties to the major labels for distribution. It seems to me that the live performance is even more important now, everything else serves to advertise. Which is fine by me, I prefer playing live to anything else. Oh yeah, Hey ROSS BAY I want my crayons back!!!!! - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:52pm | ||
| Spark | um, youre all very wrong here. music is a form of expression and communication not an object. Music cannot be stolen in the way that you cannot steal the ability to listen. yes, you can steal a song's written composition just like you can steal a painting. But it is not stealing to simply view the painting or to take a photograph of it just like it's not stealing to simply listen to a song or make a copy of it - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:39pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | This argument is as old as the hills. I'm old enough to remember when the record companies were leery about letting radio stations play records because it might "cut into sales". When cassettes became popular it was the same thing (Remember "Home taping is killing music"?). When Dolby was invented, then dbx the same thing happened. Every advance in copying technology has had the record companies crying foul about how it will "destroy the industry". An mp3 is nowhere near as good as a CD and you get no cover art or extra goodies. Is listening to the radio theft? If I lend my CD to a friend is he "stealing' the "intellectual property" of the artist. If I take the hundreds of flyers that the mailman stuffs in my mailbox every week and I cut them up and make a piece of art out of it, is it "plagarism". Well, no, not if your name is Andy Warhol, and since it's OK for some highfalutin' talent like, say, Dimitri Shostakovich to "borrow" the theme of the William Tell overture for his 15th symphony, while it's illegal for the Verve to sample a tiny snippet of a Stones song, my suggestion is that the LAWYERS are the ones setting the ground rules here. Remember Shakespeare: "First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers"... - Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:50pm | ||
| Holmes User Info... | An original second hand CD is not an illegal copy. Photocopying a book to make your own copy is illegal. Folks make lots of philosophical arguements about everything from the ethics of technology to the pursuit of art, but I don't know what any of that has to do with the fact that everyone clearly knows that it is illegal to copy someone else's CD. H - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:01am | ||
| Holmes User Info... | Jason: Encrypting data on a photon? WTF? - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:13am | ||
| Jason User Info... | yup, it's true. Heisenburg Uncertainty allows for perfect encryption. or so I've read. But why am I responding to you. the guy who says "it is illegal" as if thats some sort of reason not to do it. I'd rather hear you argue moral gounds (although those are usually weak too), rather than bark that the State says NO, so we better listen. - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 2:13am | ||
| Robnoxious User Info... | FINAL THOUGHT In the old days my friends would call me up & say I got a new lp come on over & listen. So I go & we spark a few & listen. WOW, I gotta have & copy of that. So friends being friends. Flash forward 25 or so years. Now my friends are global, and we SHARE what one of us has purchased. If you don't like it or if you don't have any friends there "Holmes" I''m sorry for you. - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 2:26am | ||
| Holmes User Info... | Rob, you said your bud came to your house with the CD. That is not global. Me ripping my band's CD to send to friends in Taiwan: that's global. Jason: This isn't a question of morals. Everyone knows stealing is wrong. Sometimes we still do it, but rationalizing it or calling it something else doesn't change what it is. Also, if you're talking about encoding using the spin of the photon in a laser, that's pretty cool, but I don't know what that has to do with ripping CDs. Many of you in bands who write songs would likely take legal action if your song was stolen by another band and passed off as their own, or at least, you'd bitch about it at least as much as I've gone on and on here, too. And about going on and on, fuck dudes, if I gotta read endless threads about homoerotic backstage antics, I'm gonna go off about whatever the hell I want to. H - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 3:13am | ||
| Scott User Info... | Finally a good frickin post� backed by someone with a solid point. Kudos to Holmes for keeping at it. This beats the �homoerotic backstage antics� any day of the week. Holmes is right� stealing IS stealing, there are no two ways about it. His point is that the law has defined what stealing is and what it isn�t� and it has been decided that copying music not intended for one�s own use IS stealing. The end. (maybe) (Not quite). MY opinions: 1. Copying doesn�t hurt smaller bands. 2. Copying is a means of promoting a band�s live performance. 3. I don�t feel bad when I copy music. 1. I don�t have many problems with downloading/copying/ripping music that I didn�t buy. But, I think that�s partly because most of the music that I listen to isn�t �main-stream�. I co-host a show on CFUV, and often do interviews with touring bands: We always ask a question along the lines of �how do mp3s affect things for you guys?� And I have yet to hear a band say that they are getting screwed by mp3s (or recordable media or whatever). In fact, most of the time they say that the more people listening, the better. They seem to care less, because -as has been stated- they make their living off of playing shows, not making cds. Lots of these bands are on small labels that need the money just as much as the bands do� 2. That isn�t to say that /some/ bands (more �main-stream�?) aren�t seeing losses. Ross Bay mentioned something about lots of metal and punk bands encouraging listeners to steal music. I think that this is worth pointing out again. Lots of bands (bigger band � Less Than Jake) ENCOURAGE kids to bring recorders to their shows, record their music, and distribute the recorded show amongst their friends and recoop their costs (as long as their not selling it for mega$$). 3. Downloading music is easy. The reason it�s such a problem is because it�s so simple, anonymous, and downright convenient. Encrypting the music or adding a warning stating that you are breaking the law WILL deter some people, only because it plays on their conscience. As it should, you ARE breaking the law. I find it pretty easy to break this law without feeling bad though� mostly because I know the majority of the bands I listen to don�t really mind, and if they did mind, they would they would make it harder to copy their stuff. (Encrypted cds are where I draw the line) - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 6:21am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Hey, I'm going back to my original idea here - nobody gives a rats ass about morals or what's "legal" or not, or about being called a thief. Most people think being called a thief is cool. Nobody thinks their dicking musicians because we all know musicians are scumbags who deserve nothing. The days of caring about the law disappeared when the 60's started. Who fucking cares about what one person thinks is right? Not me. If I can get it for free on the computer, I'm getting it for free. So's everybody else. It's nice how people suddenly start to care about something when it begins to affect them, eh Holmes - y? And yeah, I have to read about how smart you think you are, so I'm posting about whatever the fuck I want to as well. Let's hear some witty shit now son...... - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 6:37am | ||
| Anonymous | You fucking limp bizkits, bunch of gum flapping know-it alls who dont know jack shit about what they are saying. - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 7:08am | ||
| Anonymous | Morals: Don't be a bad kid or you won't get in to Heaven. - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 12:15pm | ||
| Holmes User Info... | Ross: I dunno what your problem is. I agree with what you're saying, for the most part. I saw, tho' in this magazine for CEOs of the richest companies and leaders of only the richest countries, an alarm system which included flame throwers. I think it was only available in South Africa. Anyway, the point being, I'm pretty happy that here in Canada, I don't need to buy a fucking flame thrower car alarm to feel safe. Obviously, we do for the most part respect laws. Bad laws are bad laws, though, and so change them if you don't think they're working. H - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 5:09pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | But a flame thrower car alarm would be cool though. Until it got stolen...... - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 6:21pm | ||
| Troutbreath | Then there's the car alarm that woke me up one night. It said: "Please step back from the car." Of course this only provoked the kids to touch the car. By the time I got to my window to look down on the street there was this big red muscle car crying, " I've been violated! I've been violated" while these kids were just laughing hysterically. I swear I'm not making this up, i don't have the imagination. - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 6:36pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | "The original post indicated that dood was copying his friend's CD, not his own." Yet due to the copyright protection on that CD he was unable to do so, nor is the original owner. So the record company is in viloation of said law aren't they? Since it won't play on your comp you can't really rip it to MP3 can you? They've taken away your legal right to do so by adding the protection. Prime example of a band wanting their old record company to get assed is Evanescence. They actually tell their fans to rip/distribute/download their 1st CD from any source they can. Why? Because now that they're huge, and their 1st CD was limited print, the record company they were with has decided to Ebay the remaining copies at $100's of dollars a copy. Yeah, more power to the record companies....fuck em. - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 7:45pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | This conversation seems to have expanded BIG TIME since I last posted, so here's the brass tax. MP3 can either help or hamper a group or artist. I know of at least 2 dozen bands I like which I wouldn't of known of, cause the radio stations don't tend to play those bands. We might be affecting record sales and making the labels lose some money, but I feel it's their fault for not understanding and supporting net music to begin with. The old system of music distribution is just that, OLD, it's not ready for any new ideas. I've seen similar examples happen with new technology (what about VHS killing the movie industry when it was first released, then they realized they make a lot of revenue from sales of videos). Nuff said... - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 8:16pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | That's right. I heard a CD today by a band called Tear It Up in a friend's car. I could have just as easily have recieved it from a friend in New Jersey on an mp3 but the bottom line is that I liked it enough to want to go out and buy the genuine article with lyrics, cover etc. To anyone serious about a record or CD a cheap copy just doesn't cut it, nor is hearing it on the radio 10 times a day. Will radio play Tear It Up? Never in hell, which goes to show the awesome power of radio. By the way, if I tape a song off the radio (which is legally playing the song to the public) am I still violating the precious copyright? Opinions, please! - Sat, 12 Apr 2003 11:47pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | No shit here, but I think it is technically illegal to tape off the radio. Technically, but there's nothing that can be done about it. Much like dubbing tapes and giving them to yer bros. Time honoured tradition. - Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:01am | ||
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