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| Cheeky User Info... | A year has passed since we have done a REAL brentwood show. Hoping to try and pull something together for the 2nd of July before we all graduate and get out of this hell hole, I phoned to book the hall, and got the run around, but it was looking like we were gonna get it. Finally a week later, I get the news that we can't have any more all ages music shows due to there being too much drugs, violence and damages, lets not forget to mention that the person who took over the hall hates youth and categorized us with the people who like to wreck property, drink etc. The point of this post is to see if anyone else has had this problem (venues closing due to people doing stupid acts and ruining it for the rest of us). Needless to say I will be fighting this every step of the way. I will have my last brentwood show! - Wed, 8 Jun 2005 2:02pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Talk to Brian. - Wed, 8 Jun 2005 2:56pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | I feel for you...I have to deal with this on a monthly basis. Try explaining it to deranged 15 year old drunks who want to take a swing at you when you won't let them in. - Wed, 8 Jun 2005 3:11pm | ||
| Cheeky User Info... | We've never had this problem before. I remember the fist brentwood show the only thing we had to deal with was a FEW people drinking in the school grounds. The cops loved us cause all the kids were in one place. Now we have 12 year old poser punks doing acid and jumping off buildings. Whats happening to kids now? Its certainly not mcdonalds and britney spears... - Wed, 8 Jun 2005 3:17pm | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | Been dealin with this one for 5 years. Halls come and go depending on who's in charge at the time. Its annoying however there is always going to be that stupid kid who shows up drunk and fucks with the venue and breaks something. And there will always be the 80-200 kids who come have a good time, don't screw with anything, are respectful of the event, the venue and the people involved and have a great time and get labled poorly for the 3 assholes there. Drunk kids go home =) - Wed, 8 Jun 2005 3:17pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | 12 year old poser punks doing acid and jumping off buildings...sounds like a 1980's NBC after-school special, ha ha...wait, it's become reality. Oh man. - Wed, 8 Jun 2005 8:44pm | ||
| Cheeky User Info... | In the last 12 hours I was able to get council, businesses and a few other community groups backing me (even paying for some of it), keep your fingers crossed. - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 6:11am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Yeah, youth are getting into drugs younger and being more self destructive these days. Let's FURTHER turn our backs on them .. good one parents. Venues come and go. Oh well. - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 7:18am | ||
| moron User Info... | "12 year old poser punks doing acid and jumping off buildings" Sounds pretty damn punk to me. How poseur can you be if you have already chosen a non-conformist path at 12 years old? I think that those shouting poseur need to look in the mirror or at least at a punk history book. Cheers http://industrial.org - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 8:20am | ||
| Brandon User Info... | Now thats something to ponder - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 2:01pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Moron, buying your punk image at Hot Topic in the mall and deciding that acting "punk" is to be as much as possible like the guy on the bus in Star Trek IV who gets neck-pinched by Spock isn't non-conformist. It's a commodified and easily marketable pre-packaged form of "rebellion". Getting wasted and trashing venues hardly contributes to the punk scene and this fake rebellion is nothing more than self-indulgent, self-centered nonsense. Maybe if the kid started putting on shows the purpose of which are to expose youth to another way of thinking and doing things and put their grocery money on the line to do so they'd begin to understand the idea of DIY. If someone only cares about themself and their own personal desire to wreck things and do whatever they want regardless of the venue's policies, they need to stop going to punk shows and go to business school. Their attitude would be welcome. - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 2:55pm | ||
| moron User Info... | I wasn't commenting on whether the behaviour was desirable or not (I don't consider trashing venues a cool thing to do) just on the comment that a 12 year old taking acid and jumping off a building is pretty "punk" by most established definitions. Do you really want to get going on an argument about pre-packaged rebellion with respect to punk and hardcore? I don't know what's scarier personally. . .basing your outlook on say "Suburbia" (been there, done that) or the born-again Christian like boy cult footage of Minor Threat in "Something Better Change". At least the former is more likely to just lead to only one's own self-destruction where as the latter is more likely to lead into fucked up religion that affects everyone negatively. I've been to your shows before (Tough As Nails are reasonably rocking) but I see no difference functionally between the straight edge uniform and the punk rawk one, both are very strict in what they allow and both are very easy to slip on. It's just a little harder to sell the straight edge on to non-Christians is all. Cheers - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 3:30pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Wow, I'm not sure if you're trying to bait me into a reaction by saying that I'm Christian (far from it), or that Tough As Nails is (again, far from it), or that hardcore in this town is in any way "pre-packaged". I'm pretty sure all that we've done is in no way based on something we bought at the mall, like some kind of mohawk wig. I don't wear any uniform and I think you're drastically misinformed if you think that TAN is a straightedge band. More importantly, I think your established definitions of "punk" are based on the sensationalized media-concocted ideas of punk from the scare-tactic 80's. I think this seems to be based around the bizarre misconception that "straightedge" is a style of music. It isn't, it's a lifestyle subculture based on individual choice that happens to be attached to the hardcore scene. Chokehold was a well-known straightedge hardcore band and all their lyrics were strongly, almost fanatically, anti-Christian. I also think it's a rather loaded statement to say that hardcore is strict in what it will allow. Since when have we enforced a dress code? Kids at any hardcore show can be dressed any way they want and no one cares. And lastly, Minor Threat was not a Christian band. I'm not sure where you're even getting this from. The haircuts? - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 5:05pm | ||
| moron User Info... | You missed the point Brian. I am saying that the whole straight-edge "Go Team!" cult thingy easily leads into stuff like Christianity, not that Minor Threat or you are specifically Christians. It's about being part of a group and doing what it takes to belong to that group. There's a difference between not wanting to drink, have sex, whatever and the "straight-edge" as a cult angle. It abrogates personal responsiblity and identity to the "team". There is a reason why there was the crossover into Hari Krisna with so many straight edge hardcore bands, they were prepped for it before hand. Take a look at old Minor Threat footage and then compare that to footage of a: a Nazi youth rally a Christian youth event it's very similar IMHO, not to forget the misogyny (it was a boys club only back then). I am not saying you are Nazis either. . .what I am getting at is the potential cult angle of it. If you can't see it then we'll just have to agree to disagree there. And the only reason I brought it up was because you had the pretentiousness to call a 12 year old kid a freaking poseur. What were you doing when you 12 years old? Cheers - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 5:32pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Alright, not falling for obvious baiting. I believe Cheeky was the first one to make the "12 year old poseur punk" reference. Sorry dude, I'm not going to waste my time on this. Not a nazi, not a christian, not in a cult. - Thu, 9 Jun 2005 6:27pm | ||
| Nocturna User Info... | Venues closing have been a long standing issue here. I'll fondly remember the best Victoria venue of all time (IMHO), the OAP on Government...now home to wealthy Yuppies...instead of wistful youth. I guess they key issue is "ownership" on behalf of the youth, so they "police" themselves and keep venues open. No easy answer on this one. - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 4:10am | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | The Gordon Head rec centre was pretty good. I remember seeing Trial there in 95 and many Instill shows at the "back porch". I'm not sure if they'd do rentals again, I went in and asked a while ago. In order for it to be affordable someone would have to get the non-profit rate and they didn't seem to want to make that very easy. I recall seeing Black Kronstadt on Halloween of 1994 in the back of Buzzard's Lunch (what became the Meatlockers, I think), which would have been cool if they had continued to do shows there. That was the first and last time I didn't wear earplugs to a show. I'm really curious about the various Legion Halls around town that used to do shows years ago before I started going, and apparently don't allow them anymore. Legion Halls are standard venues in most cities except Victoria for some reason. - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 4:51pm | ||
| moron User Info... | I think the main reason that the Legion halls aren't in play much anymore here in Victoria is that they are too expensive to make it worthwhile. There were a few cool gigs at the legion that used to be downtown beside / underneath Nootka Court though that was so long ago I forget who played. About all I remember were all the cool pictures on the wall (might have been The Resistance maybe). Cheers - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 5:23pm | ||
| XY-SATAN User Info... | Nootka Court ?! Fucking eh , that place was hopping years and years and millenniums ago ! Garden of Eden right around there and a really cool pipe show, plus least but always last , this place that sold like $5 jeans ! .....they sucked big time .....fucking moms man . Sorry, a true sign that you're getting old when you start talking about lame old shit ! HIGH jack is over . - Fri, 10 Jun 2005 6:08pm | ||
| Nocturna User Info... | Underneath Nootka Court? Strange I have no recollection of that. What was that the old Towne Theatre? I do remember many fine shows at the FOE on View! Cheese & crackers anyone?? Does the White Eagle still do shows? That was a great venue too! - Sun, 12 Jun 2005 6:24am | ||
| G unit User Info... | "Getting wasted and trashing venues hardly contributes to the punk scene and this fake rebellion is nothing more than self-indulgent, self-centered nonsense" Yah, cuz punk isnt based on self indulgent narcissism. Ever look at the fucking sex pistols. 100% self indulgent. Punk roots is all about jumping off building fucked up on acid. This kind of retarded destructive mentality was the basis of the first punk movement. Isn't that what 70's brit punk was based on? - Sun, 12 Jun 2005 1:05pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Yeah dude, and 70's punk lasted about two years for a good reason. Venues closed and everyone OD'd. Like The DKs said, "Stab your backs when you trash our halls, trash a bank if you've got real balls". Punk started out completely ridiculous and evolved into something, well, a little less ridiculous. The White Eagle Hall would be an awesome venue but it's $400, which for DIY shows isn't really feasible for breaking even. If you're lucky enough to get a draw of 80 kids and can charge $8, that's still only $240 net, which barely covers the ferry fare of two bands, let alone gas, food, promotion, sound equipment... - Sun, 12 Jun 2005 2:15pm | ||
| donkey User Info... | Well said Brian, what happened to the Garry Oak room? Good acoustics, way better then big fernwood. - Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:48pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | There are two shows a month at Garry Oak, it just depends on who gets to book there first. I've got one going on there in August for a new band from Vancouver called Open Fire with a couple ex-members of Dissent. They used to allow shows on weekdays and as many bookings per month as anyone wanted, then changed their policies last year, but in this case it wasn't crazy kids trashing the place, it was neighbours whining about the noise. I checked out city bylaws and the legal limit before 11PM is something like the level of a lawnmower at the farthest edge of the adjacent property line, WAY louder than the sound outside that place during a show. There are a lot of places around town that would probably make good venues, but as soon as the word "punk" is mentioned they freak right out. If you even say "show" they start talking about liability insurance and all manner of bureacuratic gibberish. - Tue, 14 Jun 2005 2:56pm | ||
| SickFuk User Info... | You know what you need to do.... Get a bunch of chain link and build a cage out of it.... When the kids get to be unruly, toss them into the "Detention area" till the shows over Now if only we could get away with that.... 'ere - Tue, 14 Jun 2005 4:05pm | ||
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