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U.S. Military blows up more Canadian Soldiers
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| Mace User Info... | This is the 2nd time the U.S. has misfired upon CDN. Soldiers in Afghanistan! Damn! FUCK! Monday, Sep 04, 2006 Friendly fire in Afghanistan kills 1 Canadian, wounds more than 30 Pte. Dave Partridge of Whitby, Ont., Sgt. Chad Garton and Pte. Chris Brooks of Brampton, Ont., wait for orders in Panjwaii, Afghanistan, Monday, after hearing that one of their comrades died in a friendly fire incident a few kilometres away earlier in the day. (CP PHOTO/Les Perreaux) PANJWAII, Afghanistan (CP) - Canadian soldiers were barely roused from sleep Monday morning when U.S. warplanes mistakenly strafed them, killing one soldier and wounding more than 30 others. The troops were camped near their armoured vehicles in an open area on the south bank of the Arghandab River and had not launched operations at the time of the incident, according to a senior officer. The sun was up and skies were clear with the normal dusty haze of the Afghan desert at 5:30 a.m., when two A-10 Thunderbolts opened fire. "I'm not sure who brought them in and for what reason," said Maj. Geoff Abthorpe, one of two company commanders running the ground operation in Panjwaii, west of Kandahar. "It wasn't us, of course. We were getting prepped to go out but our first air mission wasn't scheduled until 30 minutes later." Canadians appreciate U.S. air support but shocked by new friendly fire incident After 2 generations of peace, there's no yardstick to gauge combat deaths 4 Canadians killed, 6 wounded in big battle with Taliban in Afghanistan Home town of fallen soldiers stands behind Afghanistan mission Harper says families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan 'do not grieve alone' The names of the 33 Canadians who have died in Afghanistan since 2002 The targeted soldiers had camped for the night in an open area on a hill and were getting ready to support Abthorpe's company as it moved north of the river. "They were . . . marshalling and getting into position to support my mission," Abthorpe said, calling the incident "a freak accident." Abthorpe guessed the soldiers were shaking sleep from their eyes and dust from their gear when they were suddenly peppered by shrapnel from the cannon fire of the two Thunderbolts, nicknamed Warthogs. The death brought to five the number of Canadians killed in Panjwaii fighting. On Sunday, four Canadians died at the start of the ground portion of the anti-Taliban operation called Operation Medusa as insurgent forces repelled a large Canadian assault force. Several Taliban died Monday as they launched a handful of small scale attacks against Canadians. No Canadians were hurt in Monday's attacks. "We know they know we took a kicking out there" Sunday, Abthorpe said. "I feel vindicated in that we've drawn a number of their forces up here and we've shown them we can hold our own." What type of interior design career are you? The five deaths in the Panjwaii district west of Kandahar are the most sustained by Canada in a 24-hour period since Canadian troops first arrived in Afghanistan in early 2002. Since then, on Canadian diplomat and 32 Canadian soldiers have died, most of them since the Canadians moved into southern Afghanistan in force early this year. The soldier killed in the friendly fire incident Monday was identified as Pte. Mark Graham of the Royal Canadian Regiment. Graham and three of the four Canadians killed Sunday - Sgt. Shane Stachnik, Warrant Officer Frank Mellish and Warrant Officer Richard Nolan - were all stationed at CFB Petawawa, Ont. The identity of the other slain soldier was still being withheld Monday at the request of the family, officials said. Operation Medusa is aimed at purging Taliban insurgents from the dangerous Panjwaii area, the site of intense fighting in recent weeks. NATO warplanes and attack helicopters have run nearly constant air support missions, bombing and strafing suspected Taliban positions. Officials said most of the Canadian soldiers wounded as the Thunderbolts made their strafing runs along the Arghandab River suffered relatively minor injuries. But five had more serious wounds. "It would appear right now, at this stage of the game, that five soldiers will be evacuated back for further treatment beyond our local capability and the remainder of the wounded are expected to return to duty shortly," said Brig.-Gen. David Fraser, the Canadian in charge of NATO forces in southern Afghanistan. Fraser said an investigation has been launched. "We do have procedures, we do have communications, we do have training and tactics and techniques and procedures to mitigate the risk but we can't reduce those risks to zero," he said in a news conference at Kandahar Airfield. In Ottawa, U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins said he had learned of the "tragic" friendly fire incident with "deep regret." "There will be a full and thorough investigation and we will share the results of that investigation," Wilkins said. Canadian troops had met fierce resistance early Sunday as they advanced in light armoured vehicles early on Taliban positions that had been pounded for more than 24 hours by NATO helicopter gunships, artillery and bombs. The Taliban put up a stiff fight, using small arms and rocket propelled grenades to hit back at the Canadians, who later returned to their own stronghold. Several skirmishes took place Monday from dawn until dusk. Insurgents ambushed a Canadian convoy a few kilometres east of the battlefield and a gunman took sporadic potshots at Canadian troops. Twice Taliban fighters tried to move behind Canadian positions only to be driven back by heavy fire. One Taliban death was confirmed and five more were suspected. "They are checking us out, and feeling enough bravado to engage us," said Abthorpe. NATO officials insisted the continuing operation has been a success, saying an estimating 200 Taliban rebels had been killed and 80 captured. The Afghan Defence Ministry earlier put the number of rebel deaths at 89, adding that there also had been some civilian casualties. The Taliban dismissed the NATO claims as wildly exaggerated. "They are saying that they have killed 200 Taliban but they did not kill even 10 Taliban," said Mullah Dadullah, the Taliban military commander for south and southeastern Afghanistan. "They are just destroying civilian homes and agricultural land. They are using the media to do propaganda against the Taliban," Dadullah said in a satellite telephone call with an Associated Press reporter. The friendly fire incident Monday was the second similar incident since Canadians began operations in Afghanistan more than four years ago. Four soldiers died in April 2002 when a U.S. F-16 fighter mistakenly bombed Canadians on pre- dawn training exercise. Eight others were wounded. Canada has about 2,200 troops based in southern Afghanistan. Most of the Canadian combat units are participating in Operation Medusa. © The Canadian Press, 2006 - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 7:12pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | An A-10 fires 30MM shells out of its 'mini'-gun at a rate of 60-80 per second (or about 4000+ rounds per minute) It can totally cut open ground vehicles, even armoured varieties. Most effective tank destroyer ever built. I would rather just about *anything* else attack me than this plane. - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 2:10pm Edited: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 2:18pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | wow mace your almost as bad as Lordpatch - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 7:15pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | FUCK WAR! This kind of shit makes me so mad. - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 7:53pm | ||
| Mace User Info... |  I wonder if this story is actually true, or some form of C.S.I.S. made up shit for us to think this really happened... I mean, wtf, like Canadian Soldiers dress like Taliban? WTF??? And, if there were, like the press said there were, '30 C.A.F. guys hit- one killed', by the U.S.A.F. and if it were true, then the fucking cocksucker who was firing upon OUR Troops, did it on purpose!!! Although, yesterday, I didn't see anything related to this on U.S. News Stations broadcast... Anybody, have anything else to add.. I'd appreciate it becuz, I was at work all day.. - Tue, 5 Sep 2006 8:40pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | FIGHT WARS NOT WAR/FIGHT WARS NOT WAR! and the only reason your not as bad as lord patch is because you KINDA put your own oppinion into it and you respond - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 8:00am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Regrettably, friendly fire is pretty common. Most of it never gets found out. In ground battles and shit its pretty difficult to sort out whos bullet killed whom. You would think that a US military airplane would know that those are friendlies on the ground, but it also isn't quite that simple. Between Canada and the US there is no common electronic detection of friendly vs foe. Its totally stupid of course because such technology exists. All Nato and UN based forces should be required to have it on all their vehicles and in their communications equipment. Of course, everyone is worried that such an identity signal could be used against them, but obviously not having one is pretty dangerous as well eh? - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 9:42am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | The A-10 pilots are just mad cause they don't have a Timmy's on their base. They have to be satisfied with meth-amphetamines to keep them "up". - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:39pm | ||
| Mace User Info... |  Lordpooch, is a mutt, when it comes to replying... The guy deserves to be neutered.. Okay, so this story appears to be fading fast through the regular press junkets... Why is that? "COVER-UP" Now, that the 'F.F.' incident is out of the way, and all will go on like it has... The last time Our Soldiers took a hit by the USAF, you could at least see something of a different setting seeing how the last attack happened- 'at night time.' Well, this one, happened in broad daylight. And seeing how, it was probably at no more than a few hundred feet in over the camp that CDN. Soldiers were sleeping... Why did this happen? Was it a 'fragging' or 'Corporeal damage' to have Canadians Forces ousted from being in Afghanistan? Was the trigger man in the A-10 hallucinating on amphetamines, thinking he was seeing CDN.'S dressed up like- Taliban or Muhajedin Soldiers? Did Our troops get too close and step on C.I.A. drug dealing territory- from Taliban Opium traders, that CDN. Soldiers were dealing shipments of Heroin back to the Western Hemisphere and profiting from the Opium trade- that they were the front line to rogue Canadian Forces Sgt's.? Is it because President Bush thinks Canada Harbours terrorists- That the U.S. military went in a attacked us? Or was it, Our own Justice System failing certain citizens of our own Canadian legal system to a rightful and fair trial process..? Was it on purpose- or was ALL of this on purpose? - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 1:35pm Edited: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 1:36pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Or possibly, it was the NDP's 'Anti-War Resolution'? http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060906/NDP_resolution_060906/20060906?hub=Canada Troops acting 'like terrorists?' Draft resolution to go before NDP committee pt. 1 of 2 John Ivison, National Post Published: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 OTTAWA - Canada's troops in Afghanistan have been "acting like terrorists, destroying communities, killing and maiming innocent people", according to a resolution that will be voted on by New Democrats at the party's convention in Quebec City this weekend. The resolution is one of 104 proposals on international affairs from local riding associations that will be presented at the convention. Others suggest Canada withdraw from the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the World Trade Organization and the North American Free Trade Agreement, while one riding association proposes a freeze on trade with Israel until the "occupation of Palestinian lands" is ended. The Afghan mission was the subject of a number of proposed resolutions, all calling for the withdrawal of Canadian troops. "The Canadian occupation is propping up a regime composed of barbarous warlords who are little better than the Taliban," says one riding association. The resolution comparing Canadian troops to terrorists, put forward by the Nanaimo-Cowichan riding association in British Columbia, says Canada's goals "cannot be achieved by violence when the 'enemy' cannot be distinguished from ordinary citizens" and calls for Canadian troops to be withdrawn from that country. Its release comes as the bodies of five Canadian soldiers were returned home after being killed in the Kandahar region on the weekend. A spokesman for Jack Layton said the NDP leader would not comment on the language used in the resolution or indicate whether he intended to vote for it. "These resolutions have not been debated yet and have absolutely no status at this time," Karl Belanger said. Jean Crowder, the NDP MP for Nanaimo-Cowichan, also refused to comment on the resolution before it has been debated at the convention. Last week, Mr. Layton called for the withdrawal of Canadian troops, claiming Afghanistan is "not the right mission for Canada." At that time, he said New Democrats support the Canadian Forces and are proud of the work they do. Mr. Layton's call to bring the 2,300 troops home has been criticized by both Conservatives and Liberals, particularly since he reiterated it following the death of four Canadians in Afghanistan. Yesterday, he issued a statement expressing his condolences to the bereaved families that made no mention of his desire to withdraw combat troops. The resolution by Ms. Crowder's riding association singles out NDP MP Peter Stoffer, who supports the mission in Afghanistan. "This is not an acceptable position when world peace hangs in the balance. A combat role in Afghanistan is a no-win situation both for Canada and for the Afghani people. Its only dubious value is to curry favour with the militarist government of George W. Bush," it says. Mr. Stoffer said yesterday delegates are free to express their opinions. "But I absolutely fundamentally disagree with the statement. The people who did it are not only very naive but very antagonistic in their point of view," he said. The NDP draft policy resolutions appeared briefly on the party Web site last week before being taken down. However, Conservative blogger Stephen Taylor obtained a copy and posted them on his Web site yesterday. - Wed, 6 Sep 2006 2:52pm | ||
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| Mace User Info... | Apparently, 'Not coming anytime soon, to a Canadian Airshow near you...' Courteousy of TheStar.com News Airshow drops U.S. plane after 'friendly fire' Sep. 6, 2006. 11:50 AM CANADIAN PRESS HALIFAX — The Nova Scotia International Air Show dropped a U.S. warplane from its program Wednesday because it's identical to planes that killed a Canadian soldier and wounded dozens of others in Afghanistan. A U.S. air force A-10 Thunderbolt, commonly known as a Warthog, was to appear this weekend at the air show that draws large crowds to the Halifax International Airport. Two A-10s mistakenly strafed Canadian troops with cannon fire Monday near Kandahar, killing Pte. Mark Anthony Graham, a member of 1st Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment, based at CFB Petawawa, Ont. In a statement, the air show's executive director said the decision to withdraw the plane was done in consultation with the U.S. air force. "With an investigation underway we are very sensitive to the emotions that this type of incident invokes," said Colin Stephenson. "At the same time we are sorry to be cancelling such a popular and interesting aircraft presentation. Many fans have emailed and called asking that we still bring it and am sure it will be back in the future." The A-10 Thunderbolt will be replaced in the show by a U.S. air force F-15iEagle. - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:17am | ||
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