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| Lordpatch User Info... | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=823623683 - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:00am | ||
| Indole Derivative User Info... | Do you have a fucking point for posting a song I'm sure we have all heard a million times? Stay in C+Q Lordpatch! - Sun, 17 Sep 2006 8:40pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Since when were the Ramones a heavy band?!? - Mon, 18 Sep 2006 1:30am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... |  Additionally, pop punk is a retroactive description for some of the original punk bands of the late 1970s, who were influenced by pop music of the 1950s and 1960s, such as The Ramones. Those bands became the main influences of later bands that were labelled as pop punk. The Ramones were never defined as pop punk during their formative years, but are now described by some as pop punk because their music was influenced by bubblegum pop. Other examples include Buzzcocks, The Rezillos, Blondie (and The Knack). The pop punk style emerged at the onset of punk rock around 1975 with bands like The Ramones, however it was not considered a separate genre until later. (and noone knew what punk was till the 80s with bands like The Sex Pistols and the SubHumAns, as well as too many bands to list from Victoria including House of Commons, The Dayglo Abortions, Micky Christ and Red Tide). Honestly, the band wasn't as liked as they are today, it took the band like 20+ years before the mainstream openly embraced The Ramones. (I own all three documentaries (Lifestyles of the Ramones, Ramones Raw and End of the Century, the last 2 I bought when I was discharged from the hospital) as well as Rock and Roll High School (DVD and the soundtrack on vinyl, yes I'm obsessed :)) - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:43am Edited: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:49am | ||
| Lordpatch User Info... |  1974 not 75 "heavy" is a catagory made by this site which includes "punk" -- the ramones were, back in da daze and now, punk. in fact some, if not most, feel they coined the term -- from sheena to judy and judy to sheena. you are thinking of the power pop movement which blondie -- who and come out of glam (debbie harry from the last leg of the hippy flower power deal)-- was more aligned with the later "bomp" records crowd. however, blondie was part of the mod scence in the u.k.. don't mixe the u.k. music scene with the u.s. music scenes of the time. the buzzcocks had nothing to do with power pop. they were part of the emerging manchester music scene and culture plays everything in this -it is about youth, race (punk along with funk -- and i guess, the doobie brother -- fused them) resistance and class. as for the ramones, yes they were liked, known and respected in the 70's by many people and other artists -- this what made them a phenomenon. however, it was an eastcoast thing which grew -- nyc, montreal, toronto. the west side of the this berg was still under the influence of the legacy and genius of the Flying Borrito Brothers (gram parsons) and it's offspring of the MAC attack and The Eagles which had replaced the hippy san francisco scene which had dominated the music of the westcoast during the 60's. the west coat music scene was in a depression falling insinc with the loss of the genius of brian wilson to emotional problems and his almost mourning over the death of intellegence, passion and innovation in music. the ramones take up the mood of early westcoast surf culture and campy beach party atmosphere by displaying it (in an aburdist enviroment) and bringing the sound to the bowery -- they bring the darkness to the beach -- a very subtle commentary over loud popish guitars -- the joke being that they now favoured the leather wearing jd's (juvinal delequents) who were the nemisis of the cool kids in the beach movies seen in the new and growing "repatorie" theatres showing inexpensive old hollywood and indie movies. the idea was playing againts the sunny side of the west coast middle class television society --leave it o beaver to the brady bunch -- of bigging up the bad boys and girls, the jd's and the jd movies and pulp novels which had exploded on the scene during the childhood of these new performers. it was early rock n roll on distorted loud garage feed (spectreish 'wall of sound") back guitars played by male hustlers off of 53rd and 3rd and street kids from the bowery and new jersey -- the jd's the baD KIDS, the so called junkies, the homeless kids and group homeless kids, the poor kids-- what the jamaican's called "rudes" and the east coast call "punks". today they are called so called crackheads (once called junkies) , thugs, gangsta, homies, homie gz or still rude or bad boys or just plain hip hop or rap -- the thing is we label and isolate the poor kids and races and they have a tradition of transforming isolation and opression into entire cultures and art to advance their culture and class and express themselves -- then it is stolen and revised by the bradys -- who line(d) up to look and act opressed and poor as a style and form of rebellion till the trust fund kicks in. "Also at that time with rock music and heavy metal came the punk rock and new wave which was a rebellious answer to what was supposed to be pop. With both musical styles starting to come up they played a significant role. That's how come so many whites started getting into hip hop. Everybody thinks this is a new thing with Vanilla Ice and the Beastie Boys. It was the punk rockers and new wavers that were the first of all white people to accept this music. They were bringing me down to the punk rock clubs to mix. You used to see punk rockers come up to jam at the hardcore black and Hispanic neighborhoods."-- afrika bambatta http://www.daveyd.com/baminterview.html it was the influence of the soul produced in the tin pan alley music explosion of that mid 60's period which gave us the over production of phil spectre (the brian wilson of the east coast) , ellie greenwich and all the street corner poppers, which was the genius of the new music and punk -- it went back past the time of the hippy (which never really made it to the east coast -- witht he same authority -- the velvet underground and the factory crowd dominated on the east -- which moved more toward art for art sake and so called glam rock) the current art rock and arena rock music and rediscovered and covered old soul tunes, early garage bands and peformances by johnny winters when he was part of the texas acid psychedelic years -- texas has always had an orignal take on rock n roll -- the 50's rock n roll had been claimed and camped up the nyc glam rock movement which moves into the punk rock music scene -- because the cultural divesity and fluidity of transport -- the east coast is about scenes and not cliques like the west coast. the ramones were so popular that hollywood came to call and gave them the rock n roll high school deal. punk was more about the attitude an condition than sound -- punk was a state of mind which transended music style. however, always knew that it was something what came from the blues and the blues was a state of being. all we really know is that all the banging that the kids made finally got brian out of bed. the ramones were punk rock (in it's purest form) from day one -- making and reiventing, what brian wilson calls his teenage symphony to god -- and that's pretty heavy. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=823623683 - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:18am Edited: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:11am | ||
| Indole Derivative User Info... | Thanks for the read, Lordpatch! - Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:10pm | ||
| Lordpatch User Info... | cheers - Thu, 21 Sep 2006 7:15am | ||
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