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The 5th Annual Vancouver Island Hardcore Fest!
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| Troy User Info... | So this is announced now. You can check the event on facebook too! Here is the list of bands coming from out town: Creatures - California No Truce - California Power Trip - Dallas, Texas Jaws - Vancouver The Helm - Tacoma/Seattle Open Fire - Tacoma Hit the Bricks - Vancouver A Crows Glory - Vancouver Set Foot - Vancouver Rebuilt - WSH Lay Off! - vancouver Keep It Alive - Calgary Voices - Calgary Among the Living - Santa Cruz, California Bodyguard - Vancouver Slingshot - Vancouver War Hero - Squamish Drown Out - Kelowna Losing Streak - Winnipeg Give Nothing - Winnipeg Putrid Brew Cross Check - Vancouver, BC Vile Style - Vancouver/Victoria Deep Seated Ill Will - Kamloops Locals so far or who we have asked Black Cloud Fall In Archaea Hierophant Apparatus Theory Beat Kids Sixbrewbantha Everyone Everywhere New band 1 new band 2 Vegan Holocaust othersss to come @ White Eagle Hall Tickets will be put out soon! - Tue, 14 Apr 2009 5:38pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | This fest = bonerjams '09 - Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:53pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | I'm assuming new band 1&2 are the 2 new bands I'm in? ballin'. These lineups are ridiculous. - Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:14am | ||
| Jordan f. User Info... | So many good bands playing this year. Creatures will wreck you. Van Isle Hardcore Fest V= best one yet! - Wed, 15 Apr 2009 6:37pm | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | bonerjams '09 fuck ya - Wed, 15 Apr 2009 7:42pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Think I could get in to film this? Who ever the organizers are, could you please get in touch with me?? - Wed, 15 Apr 2009 9:32pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | ummmm why the fuck are fall of whatever playing...since when do they play hardcore in any way shape or form? PS - if SBD doesnt play i will be seriously disappointed - Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:52am Edited: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:54am | ||
| tyler User Info... | up the white eagle times, stegasorous rules, guys who give drugs to underage girls druel. XXX man is the buritto XXX - Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:20am | ||
| Jordan f, User Info... | yo jeff! Think of it more this way. Fall In Archea will draw out a good amount of kids who wouldn't normally come. Hopefully some of these kids get into hardcore and come out to future shows. I don't doubt there will be a few kids who only come watch FIA. But you know what? They'll pay to get in, which helps all the other bands travelling for this. As lame as "swoop" hair cuts, tight girl jeans might seem to some. The band playing this fest is a positive thing. Anyone with a open mind is welcome holmes. - Thu, 16 Apr 2009 6:04pm | ||
| Matai User Info... | hope we can get on this -mutiny lol - Thu, 16 Apr 2009 9:10pm | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | im gonna skateboard off the stage into the front row during JAWS swinging chains over my head with one arm and fistpumping with the other - Thu, 16 Apr 2009 9:46pm | ||
| tyler User Info... |  DEATH TO THE SYSTEM UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH - Fri, 17 Apr 2009 1:22pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | I will jizm for a blink 182 cover from anyone. - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 2:32am | ||
| jordan f. User Info... | everytime i have seen slingshot play (i've seen them a good amount) they've played Josie. Yeah, my girl friend...... - Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:42am | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Takes me home when I'm too drunk to drive, and she doesn't get all jealous when I hang out with the guys. She laughs at my dumb jokes when no one does, she brings me Mexican food from Sombrero just because, YEAH JUST BECAUSE - Mon, 20 Apr 2009 1:38am | ||
| Troy User Info... | Tickets for a 2 day pass are available at Ditch and Lyles. Also at Scratch in Vancouver. Also online soon - Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37pm | ||
| Jordan f. User Info... | buy that shit yo! March the streets, 30 or 40 stong. United against, all thats wrong. Our numbers shock you, it's the truth. A mini army of angry youth... - Fri, 24 Apr 2009 5:53pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Street by street, Block by block, Taking it all back, A youth immersed in poison, Turn the tide, counter attack, Violence against violence, Let the round ups begin, A firestorm to purify the bane our society's been washed in. - Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:22pm | ||
| jordan f. User Info... | tickets are now for sale online! go to http://www.vihc.net/ - Wed, 6 May 2009 1:20pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | WOW......WHERE THE FUCK IS S B D........ - Thu, 7 May 2009 3:19am | ||
| jordan f. User Info... | to the top! - Sat, 16 May 2009 11:55pm | ||
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| Troy User Info... | Updated list and info. Pick up 2 day passes!!! Some info has been posted here on livevic.. waiting for it to be approved. This will be a lot of fun come check it out! The first day friday is a heavier / more metal day. 2nd day, saturday, most of the pop punk bands are playing. (didn't make it this way just happened to be like that... ) Bands: Creatures - California http://www.myspace.com/weareallcreatures No Truce - California http://www.myspace.com/notruce831 A Crows Glory - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/acrowsglory Set Foot - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/setfoot Rebuilt - Tacoma http://www.myspace.com/nwrebuilt Set To Go - vancouver http://www.myspace.com/wearesettogo Voices - Calgary http://www.myspace.com/voiceshc Bodyguard - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/bodyguardnv Slingshot - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/slingshotpunk The Grave Life - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/thegravelife Horizons - Kelowna War Hero - Squamish http://www.myspace.com/warheroviolence Losing Streak - Winnipeg http://www.myspace.com/losingstreak204 Hostile Life - Winnipeg http://www.myspace.com/hostilelifemusic Hit The Bricks - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/hitthebricks604 Putrid Brew - kelowna/calgary http://www.myspace.com/putridbrew Cross Check - Vancouver, BC http://www.myspace.com/crosscheck604 Deep Seated Ill Will - Kamloops http://www.myspace.com/deepseatedillwill Six Brew Bantha - Victoria http://www.myspace.com/sixbrewbantha Beat Kids- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/beatkidsband VILE STYLE - Victoria/Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/xvilestylex Black Cloud- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/blackcloudnw Vegan Holocaust - Victoria Everyone Everywhere-Victoria http://www.myspace.com/everyoneeverywhereband Fall In Archaea- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/fallinarchaea Apparatus Theory- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/apparatustheory Hierophant - Victoria http://www.myspace.com/hierophant666 Mutiny - Victoria Stegasourous Beach Defense A few more locals are on i think... - Mon, 15 Jun 2009 1:47pm | ||
| letsgetrad User Info... | AHHHHHHHHH - Mon, 22 Jun 2009 3:38pm | ||
| Chip Shetfield User Info... | Comin' down from Nelson for this... stoked I am! - Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:26am | ||
| jeff User Info... | what days are the bands playing on? - Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:49am | ||
| Troy User Info... | This isn't exactly right.. i don't remember what each one is so this is to the best of my memory. Friday Creatures - California http://www.myspace.com/weareallcreatures A Crows Glory - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/acrowsglory Bodyguard - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/bodyguardnv War Hero - Squamish http://www.myspace.com/warheroviolence Rebuilt - Tacoma http://www.myspace.com/nwrebuilt (maybe this day) Losing Streak - Winnipeg http://www.myspace.com/losingstreak204 Deep Seated Ill Will - Kamloops http://www.myspace.com/deepseatedillwill Black Cloud- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/blackcloudnw Fall In Archaea- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/fallinarchaea Stegasourous Beach Defense Putrid Brew - kelowna/calgary http://www.myspace.com/putridbrew Hit The Bricks - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/hitthebricks604 Saturday No Truce - California http://www.myspace.com/notruce831 Voices - Calgary http://www.myspace.com/voiceshc (maybe this day) Set Foot - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/setfoot Set To Go - vancouver http://www.myspace.com/wearesettogo Slingshot - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/slingshotpunk The Grave Life - Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/thegravelife Hostile Life - Winnipeg http://www.myspace.com/hostilelifemusic Cross Check - Vancouver, BC http://www.myspace.com/crosscheck604 Mutiny - Victoria Six Brew Bantha - Victoria http://www.myspace.com/sixbrewbantha Beat Kids- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/beatkidsband VILE STYLE - Victoria/Vancouver http://www.myspace.com/xvilestylex Vegan Holocaust - Victoria Everyone Everywhere-Victoria http://www.myspace.com/everyoneeverywhereband Apparatus Theory- Victoria http://www.myspace.com/apparatustheory Don't think it is that exact... rough i should have made a copy of our preliminary schedules - Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:00am | ||
| jeff User Info... | hey troy i was talking to SBB and it would be easier to have us play on the same day as warhero and SBD as they will be probably using our gear. - Wed, 24 Jun 2009 9:34pm Edited: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 9:34pm | ||
| ebony User Info... | ummmm why the fuck are fall of whatever playing...since when do they play hardcore in any way shape or form? hey jeff, they are playing because we asked them to. that is the only reason you need to know. if you cant support the diversity in victorias music scene, maybe you should join a scene elsewhere? i wont be tollerating any of that at the fest this year, if you outspokenly trash somebody that is taking part in this event personally, or their band, or their clothes, or their hair.. or anything about them, ill make sure your bands set is cut short. come on guys, how old are we? we put this fest on because there is so much talent that goes ignored, people need to make others aware of what they have to say. we do this because it means alot to us, its what we love, and we want to see everyone accepting each other and having a good time. is it not about unity? thats fine if it isent to you, but it is to us. - Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:10am | ||
| jeff User Info... | lolz well "ebony" i would like to say something in rebuttal but the band im playing in probably wouldnt like me starting some really funny internet agruement resulting in THEIR set being cut short so i guess ill have to wait till hardcorefest to talk to you about it. PS - troy screw the first thing i said about changing days but i do NEED to know the time that SBB is playing so i can book it off work.thanks - Wed, 1 Jul 2009 3:13pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I don't think coddling shitty bands and diversifying into shitty fashion-centric offshoots of hardcore is doing anything to help the scene; in fact, I think it does the opposite. I'm the last person to sit there and point and laugh, ridicule, or judge people based on how they dress, how they dance, or what music they listen to (trust me, this really is the case). I have always felt the hardcore scene in Victoria has been tolerant, even accepting, of my drunk crusty ass lumbering around shows I have no aesthetic place being at. I hope the rest of hardcore fest went good but when I went on day 1 the turnout was really small and I didn't see many of the familiar faces I expected, my friends I brought couldn't handle the weird vibe so we ended up hanging out at the ocean a lot and taking off kind of early. Even the bands were skulking around outside; the attendance would have been douled had the bands actually just sat inside and watched each other. I don't think its to do with any shortcomings of the promoters or organizers, that's for sure. I knew about this show and its details for months now. It was definitely a young crowd, again, not something that bothers me but where were all the people who have been going to shows since I moved here almost 10 years ago? Should have been more beards and old-timers. Its not like every old person into hardcore has moved away. Do people who are genuinely into a scene just give it up when they get older? Is the fact thatsome of the openers are newer hardcore bands that play styles that aren't hardline traditional hardcore chasing people off? That's kind of lame if that's the case. What is happening here .. did hardcore evolve into something that the old guard literally want nothing to do with? Fall in Archaea are actually pretty good, genre preferences aside; I don't think anyone needs to be defending that band. We can deal with Jeff ourselves in the meantime, how we always have: by telling him to shut the fuck up. There are bigger problems that need to be addressed here. Am I being crazy? I don't know. Just thought I would speak out loud because I'm honestly not clamboring to get to the next hardcore show in Victoria unless its Dangers. - Mon, 13 Jul 2009 9:16am | ||
| Peter Gardner User Info... | I am far from a "hardcore" guy, despite playing hardcore fest this year. I think the low attendance is not strictly a hardcore problem but a problem all over the local scene here. A lot of people have just stopped coming to shows, be it older people or younger kids. I wish I knew the answer as to why. - Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:44am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Hmm the crust/grind/metal shows here seem to have good turnouts. I think maybe people just have unrealistic expectations. 50 paying people is a pretty good turnout for unknown touring bands as far as I'm concerned, and it feels like a full show in the smaller venues like the Bayanihan. Not to mention the people who show up in droves for the panic 'gigs' .. - Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:02pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I stopped going to shows/supporting the local scene cause of the head injury. Plus I'd show up to shows, not hang around with anyone and just stand there enjoying the music but meanwhile I stick out like a sore thumb. Of course, I always make one gig, and that's the Jason Brown/Cancer show cause I know my money goes to something good (perhaps in the future I'll just donate my money). Should I be supporting the scene? Hell yeah! But I feel really uncomfortable being at a show, so now I stay at home being unemployed watching TV and using the computer. Honestly, I used to find shows fun, dunno what happened. And BTW: Bands don't suck, perhaps they don't know how to play their instruments, but at least there doing something that I never will, and that's performing in front of a live crowd and ya gotta respect that. - Mon, 13 Jul 2009 3:05pm Edited: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 3:21pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Ok I suppose I shouldn't throw the word 'suck' around, because I don't mean any disrespect, but I also think bands that are so bad at their instruments and care so little about practicing that no one really enjoys them .. then why are they playing in front of people? Its not like performing is some selfless act. Its fun to get up there in front of people. If it wasn't fun .. then why would people do it? I think its selfish to act entitled to play shows when no one actually wants to see your band because you can't be arsed to get good enough for anyone to actually enjoy you.. and believe me, I am reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally tolerant of sloppy, raw basement punk/metal/hardcore and young bands just getting their feet wet, as long as they are actually contributing to the shows they play. Contributing to shows does NOT entail acting like assholes, delaying shows, not supporting the bands they are opening for, taking money out of the touring bands pockets by getting everyone and their dog in for free, and literally getting progressively worse as time goes on. Anyways, I hope no one takes this personally, I'm not trying to discourage any up and coming bands, but I'm also definitely not the only person to harbor these sentiments. - Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:19pm | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | There are alot of bands that SUCK...and most of them can play their instruments very proficiently. I don't think being able to play instruments should be a prerequisite to starting a band, playing a show, etc...I think you can put on a great show, write great songs AND have fun, etc...all while barely being able to play. This is precisely why I got into hardcore and punk-rock in the first place. I think there is too much emphasis and technical proficiency in metal and what passes for hardcore these days...and that's too bad. Why was attendance low at this festival? The scene is pretty small. It's summer. Alot of bands that most people aren't very familiar with. Who knows? Speaking as someone who grew up on hardcore in the 80's and has listened to it for almost 25 years...the bands were too much of the same...and boring. Try booking different kinds of hardcore and punk and having a more diverse bill that still falls under the umbrella of hardcore...and more people will show up. - Tue, 14 Jul 2009 1:05pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | hey, would any of you mind if i yammered a while in this thread? Cuz I have a lot to yammer about in this thread, but nothing too insightful or anything and I don't know most of these bands... I know it'd offend Nik's delicate sensibilities, but WHAT DOESN'T THESE DAYS - Tue, 14 Jul 2009 9:44pm Edited: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 9:45pm | ||
| ebony User Info... | Try booking different kinds of hardcore and punk and having a more diverse bill that still falls under the umbrella of hardcore...and more people will show up. this was done. we know what we are doing. unfortunatly, alot changed from booking times and the actual show.. alot of booked bands broke up, got arrested, broke legs, died, went to heaven.. whatever, alot of people couldnt make it. when it came down to it, we just wanted bands to play and to have a good time. we don't put this on to make money. we want everyone to have a chance to play for a crowd, to see some diversity in the scene, etc. people have reasons not to go to things. some don't show up for no reason. it won't stop us from doing it again and again. every year has been done a bit differently. im not crying about the turn out. the people that came and watched, enjoyed whatever it was they came to see. what dissapoints me is alot of bands members partying outside, across the street, in ther cars/vans, and not paying attention to other bands playing. thats the opposite of what we are trying to put across. and let me say this.. finding as many lucky cans INSIDE the venue as i did.. i was not impressed. if you don' want me to be like i am at my shows, then don'tdo that inside, or on property. how hard is it to walk a few blocks away to the water? apparently it is rediculously difficult. - Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:09pm | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | i noticed the majority of bands on both days didnt stick around for any other bands. it was almost always the paying crowd i saw in the audience. maybe a few here and there but there were bands playing at certain times where that was the first time i had seen them all day was when they plugged in and then disappeared again and i was there for 2 full days. but yeah, i dont understand why people just stop going to shows when theyre older. hell, the majority of shows i go to i go to myself and its usually a touring band ive never heard of but i go anyways because its fun and most times i really enjoy that band and end up becoming a fan. i wish more kids were like me. - Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:57pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | hahah ebony I guess I wasn't there the whole show but being captain buzzkill and constantly telling people to go somewhere else to drink isn't fun, but someone has to do it. and yeah, I don't really think this festival should have 'diversified' any more, and I also think it goes without saying that the promoters weren't doing this for money. I'd like to thank them for all the work they put into this show, and hopefully next year one of my bands can play, or at least I can help out somehow with the festival. - Wed, 15 Jul 2009 9:19am | ||
| J fatso User Info... | T. Depression, FUCK OFF already. Im sick and tired of you complaining about every last fuckin band or the music scene in this town, if you dont like it so much PISS OFF and move somewhere else. you white belt wearin' over sized sunglass sportin' cuff rollin' douchebag. YOU SUCK. - Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:53pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | Hey just wanted to put my two cents in here. I'm one of the promoters (as were Ebony, Troy, Pauly, and Jordan). This was perhaps the best fest yet. Canon, if you had come the second day you would have seen a MUCH larger crowd. It still isn't the size we would like, but it's bigger than it was. Still you brought up some valid points, and we definitely made some mistakes this year (not too many, though). We'll do better next year (and I may take you up on the help part...we can always use as much as possible). Sati, feel free to say whatever you want. I love getting praise and constructive criticism in equal amounts. T...dunno what to tell ya dude. Sorry? Meh, can't please everyone. - Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:59pm | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Look...I totally give you guys credit for doing this fest. No matter what anyone says...just putting in the effort (no matter how many people show up) to put something like this together, is amazing. I've been a fan of hardcore since I was a kid...and for the past two years I've been really exited to see who was playing this fest...and then dissapointed when most of the bands are the same kind of metal-influenced hardcore. I'd just like to see the fest represent some different types of bands...maybe some more 80's styled hardcore stuff, etc. Mostly selfish...I know....but there are a buncha people on this Island buying hardcore records that don't listen to the metal influenced and tough guy shit...and that stuff seems to be the stuff represented in the hardcore scene on the Island. - Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:22am | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | seems like youre just assuming that this was all "metal influenced" hardcore because yes as there was some toughguy stuff there was a lot of different types of hardcore ranging the 2 days. if you bothered to check it out and just passover it, you probably would have seen that. - Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:51am Edited: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:53am | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Did I really need to come down to hear the bands? Do they sound that different from the songs on their Myspace pages? I checked out every single band that was booked before deciding not to buy a ticket...didn't think it was worth it for the one or two bands that sounded up my alley. There almost 30 years of history in hardcore...I just find it sad that the festival represents mostly one side of the spectrum. - Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:27pm | ||
| Chip Shetfield User Info... | I took a couple weeks off work to go to the coast and hang out, see shows, etc. and managed to get down to Vic for the festival. Im all honesty I was pretty disappointed that most of the bands I caught were not my thing... This isn't really the fault of the promoters (most of whom I met and were doing a great job keeping things going smoothly), it was actually largely because so many of the bands I was hoping to see had canceled. I also spent most of day 2 at the beach because band after band was playing the modern metal-type stuff that does nothing for me. Also, I apologize for potentially being a drunken ass on day one, I tried to clear out as many beer cans and be respectful of the promoters and venue when I realized we were probably creating problems. - Tue, 21 Jul 2009 2:26pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I don't understand why everyone thinks that the kind of 'hardcore' predominantly represented at this festival has much of anything to do with 80's hardcore, or punk hardcore. The scenes don't really overlap, even though they both used the word hardcore to describe their genres. Its like me asking "why wasn't there more happy hardcore at this festival?" The scenes don't generally overlap at all, especially aurally; victoria is a bit different because we're so small we kind of have to overlap to make shows viable, but why go through the trouble of throwing a hardcore fest if you're just going to put a bunch of bands that have little to no chance of being appealing to the scene this show obviously catered to. I didn't come to this festival to see the 2 grind bands, I came to see hardcore. A lot of the kids that went to this show don't give a shit about.. 80's hardcore for instance, or whatever people in this thread personally like as opposed to the "metal" hardcore or "tough-guy" hardcore, and would just sit outside if bands like that hit the stage anyways. - Wed, 22 Jul 2009 1:00pm | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Oh...I didn't know there was such a distinction. I assumed that if you're going to call something a "hardcore" fest you might want to represent more than one small section of the genre. istaed of polarizing local kids definition of the genre into one small section of the "hardcore" spectrum, why not show kids some of the diversity of the genre. Hardcore came out of punk-rock, not metal...it would just be great to see a festival that bills itself as a "hardcore" fest respresent at least a little of what the was originally about. - Wed, 22 Jul 2009 2:04pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | People like what they like. I would say I am of a minority, I literally like every kind of hardcore, but hardcore punk has little to nothing to do musically or culturally with the hardcore movement represented at this festival. "Hardcore" is no longer 1 genre. By itself, I would say it describes an older hardcore punk scene, and now also describes whatever this newer scene evolved from. There are small exceptions to this rule, a few bands that literally bridge the gap between different styles of hardcore, but they are an anomaly. I can't even think of any off the top of my head. Dangers, maybe? I don't know. Just because these sub-genres share the name hardcore doesn't mean they have anything to do with one another. And its not even like talking about the different between say, deathmetal and thrashmetal, or blackmetal and heavy metal, whose respective genres' development can be traced back to a very, very short list of influences. The same cannot be said about the current crop of newer hardcore bands. I don't feel they are in any way connected to Black Flag, minor threat, or say, even something like l'arm, or infest or those types. Nothing to do with hardcore punk. Most of the people who play and are into this newer metal hardcore, or whatever the hell you want to call it, would not be into those types of bands, and its not because they have no respect for the forefathers of their genre; its because those bands are NOT the forefathers of that genre. I realize I sound like I'm painting the fans of that genre with a wide brush, so I'll note that naturally there is a cross-section of fans of this genre that like all of the other genres as well, and other types of music. I am not totally self un-aware, I would be an example of this. However the fact stil remains that most people into newer hardcore and a part of that scene are not into underproduced, antiquated punk rock. - Wed, 22 Jul 2009 3:44pm Edited: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 3:49pm | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Underproduced, antiquated punk rock? Now you're generalizing what Hardcore (big "H" hardcore...what you'd call 80's styled hardcore) was/is about. Personally, I take offense to people calling this new shit, hardcore...as you've pointed out, it has little or nothing to do with the music that the term Hardcore was coined to describe. If you're not going to represent any Hardcore bands (and there are some amazing current bands playing in that underproduced, antiquated style!) then why not call the fest something alitlle less misleading??? It pisses me off that kids in Victoria are groing up thinking that the bands you have playing your fest are what hardcore is all about. I think I'll book my own Vancouver Island hardcore Fest next year...but only book the Hardcore bands you refuse to aknowledge. - Wed, 22 Jul 2009 4:24pm Edited: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 4:25pm | ||
| ebony User Info... | umm.. T.. i dont know how many times i have to say this. but really guys, if you have put on something even remotley close to book even a small show yourselves, you would understand that every time, not everything goes right. we had alot of bands that we invited tell us that they were not free to play, or cancelled last minute. we HAD an EXTREMELY diverse line up for this. we had wayyy too many bands even. but people cancel tours, they break up, they get arrested, have family enmergencies, have personal injuries, etc. so dont always think that what you saw was 100 percent what was in the works in the begenning. the bands that played were all great, and good people. thank god for us they didnt all cancel as well. instead of knocking certain sub genres of hardcore, or complaining about everything under the sun, why dont you do what austin said he (and we) enjoy, and thats some personal desires, and constructive critisism.. instead of making yourself look like a dick. because if people comment back to us NICELY we will take all of it into consideration for what we put together next year. if all you do it hate on the fest, we wont be listening. - Wed, 22 Jul 2009 5:55pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | T Depression, get over it. All those bands that played the fest are HARDCORE bands. Not the kind of hardcore you rep, but it doesn't make them any less hardcore. We're arguing semantics here, and you seriously are personally offended that the word hardcore has been co-opted by another scene. Who fucking cares? You aren't going to change anyone's lives by booking a hardcore festival, advertising to people into the kind of bands that played this years fest, then putting on a bunch of bands that play a style that those people don't like. You can't force people to like the kind of music you like, that is some infantile shit right there. It's fucking stupid. Truth be told, pound for pound I like the 'antiquated punk-rock hardcore' better than this new stuff, but just because they share the same name doesn't mean that people that like one kind of hardcore are going to like the other kind, even if they're exposed to it. Why even bother? I mean, by all means, throw a hardcore fest with the other kind of hardcore, but NONE of those kids are going to show up. Why would they? They don't like that kind of fucking music. Jesus christ. - Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:00am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | .. and to call branding this fest Hardcore Fest misleading is so silly. How could you not know what kind of bands were playing? As someone who is supposedly so into hardcore, how could you not differentiate between 80's hardcore punk and 90% of the bands on this bill? Mislead? Seriously? Did you not bother checking out any of the bands before you came out? And Ebony makes a good point, the fest WAS quite diverse, from grindcore/fastcore to this kinda tech-metal with clean singing hardcore to stripped down, primitive chugga-chugga hardcore and everything in between. - Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:08am | ||
| denny User Info... | I think what he's trying to get at, no matter how extreme his manner, is that the punk influenced hardcore bands were not represented. I'm not saying the bill wasn't diverse. There was the grind, the metalcore and even the pop punk, but if you lost a thugcore band or two you could have made way for a few old school punk influenced hardcore bands, which in my opinion are the best. Would this have helped the turnout? Who knows? Either way I salute your efforts. - Thu, 23 Jul 2009 6:03pm | ||
| Troy User Info... | I think we would have loved to have a larger section of "hardcore". I like 80s hardcore. Wouldn't have minded it. In the beginning we all made a huge list that each one of us would like to see. Then messaged all those bands. Not every band is really my favourite band int he world. I still listened to them and watched them. Whatever "metal" / "toughguy" hardcore bands played. They played as they were AVAILABLE. and didn't cancel. It is hard to organize an event that bands can make it too. Bands cancel. bands aren't able / etc. Next year if you want to see specific bands. You should tell us / Give a list. We will ask those bands most likely. As we want to be able to please as many people. Give something for everyone and most likely expose some people to some new music. Everyone that played this year were great people and very nice about playing. i would agree that there was more "heavier hardcore" bands this year than even last years fest. I think i disagree with Cannon on the hardcore being a completely different genre. It can be traced back in my opinion. It may not sound the same at all. and some bands out there are only influenced by this more modern take. But i still think all those early bands are the forefathers of THIS HARDCORE music. There are the few that aren't into the older stuff as you said. But i would say most of the ones in bands playing the newer hardcore are into it. It may be their fans / fans of that music that aren't. Or well maybe some of the locals too.. ha There are of course going to be people that take offense to what current bands do being labeled as hardcore. It is a term. We could just keep adding subgenre upon subgenre of what a band is to describe it. But hey its easier to use the large overal term that influenced it all. Which is Hardcore. If this is pissing you off i don't know you seem like a rad dude to me, the lists of bands you have made before in other threads i like a lot. I am a hardcore promoter in this town. I try to make do with what few locals we have. which isn't that big of a section of hardcore that is out there in terms of genre. I guess a lot of this has been responded too. Yeah Denny it would have been great to get / keep a diverse line up. Sadly finding bands that are a available / can play is soo hard these days./ was at the time of the fest. I am glad that it went off pretty much with NO PROBLEMS. next year looks to be good , we are going to take a better approach to it too! Hopefully we can please you in some way T. Depression. also hopefully i am not a bad person for liking modern hardcore as well as older 80s stuff. and everything inbetween.. - Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:20am | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Like I said before...I give you guys credit for doing this at all! If you're going to call it Hardcore fest though...I think some more trad hardcore should be represented. I won't fault anyone for likeing newer styles of hardcore...or for ONLY liking newer styles of hardcore. I will take offense when newer hardcore bands refuse to aknowledge the influence of the first wave hardcore bands (or the 70's punk bands and 60's garage bands before them) on the their music. Sure, YOU may not have been influenced by that stuff...but the bands you were influenced by....or the bands they were influenced by...owe it all to those who the term Hardcore was coined to describe. I, for one, don't think metal has any place in punk-rock. I think that (with very few exceptions) the two genres shouldn't meet...but I am a fan of both genres. I think in order for a hardcore fest in Victoria to grow and decently represent the genre...it has to embrace punk-rock. As it sits, Victoria has almost no scene for all-ages punk-rock...and a very limited scene for punk-rock at all. That's something I intend to see change. When it comes down to it....you guys are booking the fest....you'll ask who you want to play...and you'll focus on the bands YOU like. That's fair...you guys are putting in the leg work. Really who cares what I want to see? Maybe for next year, I'll book some shows in conjunction with your fest...that will add to what you guys are doing. Or maybe you'll let me volunteer and help out with some of your shit work... - Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:10pm | ||
| ebony User Info... | thats not true T, we do want to know why you would like to see. after all, we do this for satisfaction of seeing otehrs have a good time. ALOT of people had a good time this year. many of us didnt even get a chance to spend alot of time watching.. so why would we cater to only ourselves. if you had read what i had said above.... you would have seen it. we do it to make people happy. unfortunatly making everyone happy at the same time isent as easy as you'd think. and what troy said.. please read it and take it as 100 percent honesty. we all put in our 2 cents and between the 5 of us, our taste ranges from any type of hardcore/punk/metal/grind. things happen. bands cancel. so we had what we had. everyone still supported and had a good time anyways. - Fri, 24 Jul 2009 6:56pm | ||
| Troy User Info... | come dec i am going to ask you for a list of bands T. Depression i know i will enjoy whatever bands we may be able to get out here on that list. Would be great if you could be involved or even as you said a show in conjunction with it! - Fri, 24 Jul 2009 7:22pm | ||
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