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| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > Decapitator to get no jail time. |
| trevor corey User Info... | QUOTE Doctors who have been working closely with murder suspect Vincent Li have concluded he shouldn't be held criminally responsible for last summer's beheading on board a Greyhound Bus because he was suffering a major mental illness at the time, the Winnipeg Free Press has learned. Justice sources say two Winnipeg psychiatrists — one representing the Crown, the other for the defence — agree that Li should be sent to a hospital instead of a prison cell. Their findings will be presented at Li's Queen's Bench trial, which is set to begin March 2 in Winnipeg and slated to last just three days. The only issue for the judge to decide is whether Li should be found culpable of a crime he admits to committing. The opinions of the two doctors will be the only evidence called regarding Li's mental state. Sources say the Crown isn't directly consenting to a not criminally responsible finding but will make no argument to oppose Li's bid to be spared from the mandatory life sentence with no chance of parole for at least 10 years that comes with a second-degree murder conviction. Instead, they will simply allow justice to take its course by putting their own medical expert on the stand, who will be followed immediately by the defence doctor. "Given the high-profile nature of this case . . . we owe it to the public to let them hear the facts in person," said a justice source. Those facts will include extensive details about Li's medical history and what may have triggered the nightmarish attack, which made headlines around the world. With no evidence to the contrary, it's expected the judge will adopt the recommendations of the doctors. If he is found to be not criminally responsible, Li's file would be turned over to a Manitoba review board which would determine whether he has received sufficient medical treatment to be returned to the community. His case would be reviewed on a yearly basis and there is no minimum period he would have to serve in hospital before he would be eligible for release. Lawyers have told the Free Press Li has responded to medical treatment since his arrest and has been co-operative with the doctors who are working with him. Crown and defence lawyers have said they will present a lengthy agreed statement of facts during the trial, which include an admission from Li that he stabbed, decapitated and defiled 22-year-old Tim McLean as he slept on the Winnipeg-bound bus in late July on the Trans Canada Highway near Portage la Prairie, Man. The unprovoked attack was witnessed by about three dozen passengers. None of them will be called to testify. McLean's family have called for the creation of a new law which would ensure killers like Li are never given the chance for release — whether they are found not criminally responsible or not. Carol deDelley, the victim's mother, told the Free Press last fall it's outrageous Li will have the chance to taste freedom again. "Under no circumstances do I ever want this man walking free in public again. This shouldn't be acceptable to anyone," deDelley said. Her big fear is that doctors will quickly rule Li can be managed in the community through medication. "They can treat him, that's fine. But it has to be done in a locked facility for the rest of his days. Anything less than that is not justice," she said. "I don't think he can be cured. Treated, yes. But not cured. He's unpredictably dangerous. I don't think he can be healed. And I don't want to take that chance." Lawyers have agreed to move Li's case to Winnipeg because of ongoing security concerns at the courthouse in Portage la Prairie, about 84 kilometres west of the city. Li has received several death threats and his lawyer said there is no way to bring his client to court in Portage without exposing him to the public. Justice sources told the Free Press on Friday that police have been working on a comprehensive security plan to ensure there are no incidents when Li appears for his trial. The downtown courthouse has an underground entrance that will allow Li to be brought to court without coming into contact with the public. Li remains in custody at the Health Sciences Centre mental health unit, where he has been undergoing treatment and testing since his arrest. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Accused+beheading+major+illness+psychiatrists/1290938/story.html - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:48am | ||
| Bounce User Info... | That’s brutal, welcome to Canada where you can violently murder someone and get away with it! Our justice system is a fucking JOKE. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 4:49pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | The entire world is a joke so not surprised on this nonsense. How about that asshole that got 1.3 mil for having his house searched... Oooo the trauma... while the children of the dead parents from the ferry sinking can't even get a goddam honest answer about what happened. Whatever. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 9:02pm | ||
| Zedius User Info... | And how about a man who doesn't exist hiring a lawyer to cut his fine down from 6000000 to 250000 when he's stolen around $26000000 from investors.. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:40pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... |  At midnight the Captain turns the vessel over to the first mate, then retires to his cabin. The first duty of the first mate is to walk around the deck. It was while he was doing this that the vessel hit the rocks. When he came running back to the bridge, the first thing he saw was the two crew he had left in charge of the bridge, pulling up their pants. There you have it. It's out now. Everybody that works in the marine industry knows what happened. Now you all know too. I've been biting my tongue, but when I heard the story of how the teenage children of the deceased passengers couldn't even get a trial because they couldn't afford the $45,000 court costs, I became furious. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:43pm Edited: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:56pm | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | "When he came running back to the bridge, the first thing he saw was the two crew he had left in charge of the bridge, pulling up their pants." now THATS headline news! - Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:07am | ||
| Bounce User Info... | I’m sure some lawyer would be more than happy to taker their case on as a contingency… Wrongful Death? - Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:48am | ||
| Jl User Info... | "And how about a man who doesn't exist hiring a lawyer to cut his fine down from 6000000 to 250000 when he's stolen around $26000000 from investors.." Ian Thow is very real; as is Sir Allen Stanford; and the rest of the scamming world out there... I dont get what you're trying to say here? You're protecting the very people(million/billion-aires) that rob the common person of their income as well. 26000000$ didn't come from you and me, it came from the people that could've afforded to invest in the first place... again, the very people that you guys(in general) see as "evil coporations". And as for the person who had their home searched; If I were up and pointed at for tax fraud in the millions, and had people rummaging through my house to "find somthing". Id be pretty pissed off and would go to EVERY extent they have. - Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:57am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | I'm not "you guys in general", and I wasn't saying "doesn't exist" in the literal sense. I mean he up and disappeared. Nobody knows where he is, but apparently his lawyer knows how to fight for him. Not to mention he is supposed to be bankrupt, so how does he afford a lawyer? Investors are also the common people, corporations are fine by me, and Ian Thow's a criminal. - Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:34pm | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | They caught him yesterday in Portland - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 9:15am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | Word. That's pretty exciting, although I'm waiting to see a disheartening slap on the wrist. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:23pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/Disgraced+financial+advisor+arrested+Portland+Oregon/1299438/story.html - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 1:17pm | ||
| cc User Info... | Ian Thou gave me a $300 tip once and $100 another time as for the FOOLS who got took they made unsecured investments through thier own greed mostly and cry about it Thou is a crook and im not denying that he should pay for sure but you dont just hand a smooth talker a bunch of money and plan on a good return im sure some of the people involved were somewhat innocent but a few were just plain ignorant Thou was Smart enough to con big men like Alex Campbell out of money and i cry no tears for him thats for sure i wont be returning my tips either Thou is like Robin Hood to me Robbed the rich and gave to me! cheers y'all - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 1:27am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | Ian Thou was the Vice President of a big investment company. If you put your money in the bank, and then the bank just kept your money, would you be like "Oh I guess I deserved it because the bank was a smooth talker"? Do you consider putting money in the bank an unsecured investment? Those people were supposed to be worrying about whether some Jamaican bank was gonna succeed, not whether their money was gonna be spent on helicopters. Thou wasn't smart enough to con people out of their money. He was in a position of power and trust. He did some stupid shit that he got caught for, and unfortunately the victims can never get their money back. What if all your parents' retirement money was spent on Thou? And some hippies on live Victoria would start going off about how they deserve it. - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 7:29am Edited: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 7:29am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | Yahh CC ya hippy, get a haircut! - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:23am | ||
| JDL User Info... | hey CC, I'll give you a tip worth 120$ for free too! wear your seatbelt! Otherwise you'll get a ticket! I just saved you $120! am I smoooooth or what!?! so, why hate alex campbell so much? b/c he has more money than you? (that's even more petty than believing Thow is like robin hood) - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 5:07pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Speaking of Thow's "investment strategies". Charter an airplane, fill it full of potential investors, once in the air break out the cocaine and hookers, then use the video that was secretly recorded during the debauchery to encourage these potential investors to sign on. - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:45pm | ||
| cc User Info... | no no you cant feel sorry for the FOOLS who were taken hes a crook but alas people didnt have secured and signed investments with him....they took his word on mega money that makes them FOOLS no? tell me why? was this personal to you? if so i am sorry but only to a point you dont take big money and play with it then cry boo-hoo when things dont go as you hoped they got took but shouldnt have if they were smart simple really - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 5:12am | ||
| JDL User Info... | "you dont take big money and play with it then cry boo-hoo when things dont go as you hoped" who said anyone was crying about it? people just want their initial investment back... when you deal with an investment advisor that rips you off; regardless if its 20$ or 20 million$... you still have every right to get that back. How would you like it if I smooth talked you into a scam and stole your life savings? You probably would think that a)your gullable and b)how you can recoup your investment. So before you go calling people that invested with him, think about it. Otherwise you look like a fucking moron(like you already do). btw, just because he tickled your nuts with a couple shitty stock tips; doesn't mean he's "robin hood"... and when you say fools, please define as these people were shown and garantee'd a residual income off their initial investment. They were plain and simply conned into believing the banks/companies they invested with would grow; and THOW(not THOU) showed them the growth and GARANTEED them a return profit. You're the only fool who thinks this moron(thow) has any good left in him... the only thing he's gunna have in-him is jail cock. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 3:01pm | ||
| cc User Info... | you are way too excited read todays paper and see what it says about people sending him huge sums of money while he was on the run i think theres way more to thows story than just HIS wrong doings.....we shall see as for my tip .....IT WAS A CASH TIP! not a friggin stock tip he was known for giving big tips and i am living proof is all.... oh and dont start callin me names and all that bullshit im giving my opinion and you can give yours if i choose to call his so called victims a few names i will.....but i never called you a moron....so chill out a bit and thanks for correcting my spelling - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 6:49pm Edited: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 6:52pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | CC ,what did you spend your tip on? - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:03pm | ||
| cc User Info... | hookers and blow of course! nah actually it was right before christmas and i was pretty broke so it came in handy 300 bux made a big difference anyhow at the time i thought Thow was just a big roller and was happy to get the tip Thow is in the times colonist everyday now so if ya wanna follow whats happening then read it i guess as the guy withthe accent says ..."save your money!" - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:20am | ||
| JDL User Info... | "read todays paper and see what it says about people sending him huge sums of money while he was on the run i think theres way more to thows story than just HIS wrong doings.....we shall see" Tom Harris cellular... well they're idiots anyway(in their own right). It was the fact that you kept calling these people that invested with him "morons and fools" that I find funny. The "cash tip" that you received could have easily been a different tip to invest with him(if he felt you'd be worth scamming) and you COULD'VE been one of those idiots just as easily(as yuo said yourself, you consider him a "robin hood" of sorts). He tickled your nutsack and you liked it; who's to say he couldn't have bilked out all of your money(granted if you had any at that time; which you said you didn't... and I dont mean that in a sarcastic or bad way) - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 9:14am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | One of the risks of investing any money in these times is losing it all. This includes criminal causes. When you hand your money over to someone, you should be prepared to never see it again. Well, that's the way I view finances anyway. As for Alex Campbell losing $12,000,000? A drop in the bucket for that guy. Live and learn. I feel worse for all the people who lost a few hundred thousand in their investments due to the economic downturn. Now that is sad. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:23pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | so would you have felt bad for alex campbell if he had lost his money in the stock market? Losing money is losing money; sure it seems bad for the millionaires who lost everything, but even alex campbell at the amount he lost is still having to recoup. I cant see the point in feeling bad for one type of wealth over the other and the matter in which they lost their money. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 2:37pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Ahh, there I go again thinking that people can read my mind. What I meant is that I feel bad for people that I know who had all their savings tied into retirement plans and investments and lost every last penny because the economy took a dive. No, I don't feel bad for someone who is extremely wealthy losing a small portion of their money in an unfortunate high-finance theft. I don't feel happy about it either. I could care less. Campbell is probably more embarrassed than smarting in the wallet about the whole thing. I don't know how people can entrust money to a guy that looks like a shyster, regardless of the company he works for. He looked like a shyster in his pre-mug shot pics and he looks the same after. When it comes to a wack load of money, it's okay to judge a book by it's cover...you can judge things however you want to. It's your money. Thow should be strung up good for this though. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 2:59pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "Campbell is probably more embarrassed than smarting in the wallet about the whole thing" you see; the double standard comes out... what if you knew alex campbell(instead of making assumptions that losing the money he did "doesn't matter to him")? I just find it funny; that's all... I dont think I would've given Thow the time nor the money; because as you said Mr.H... he looks like a shyster! But dont let that discredit people who lost money to him; 12 million dollars is alot of money, regardless of your affluent, or not, background. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 3:15pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Alex Campbell didn't lose everything he has though. That is the difference to me. He will still live his life to the standard he is accustomed and won't lose his house or eat Mr. Noodles for the next 9 years. Got $12 million to invest? Invest in a gold or diamond mine. Don't give it to Mr. Enron. - Sun, 22 Feb 2009 3:22am | ||
| cc User Info... | all i can say now is watch for more news about Tom Harris ill bet he has something comming to him and when ive dealt with him he just oozes crookedness just my feeling lets see! - Sun, 22 Feb 2009 4:07am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | I know this will stir the shit Another Asian goes nuts and kill people in New York state. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/04/200943192744691133.html "Shooting incidents have become increasingly common in the US, where guns are widely available and the rights to own them are fiercely debated." We have guns too .. I guess now ,we are trying to be like them with all the killings going on here on the Canadian west coast. I know ... that's a total different subject. - Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:01am Edited: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:19am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Why the f0ck is gRimlord reading Al Jezeera? - Sat, 4 Apr 2009 2:51am | ||
| Jl User Info... | a)no job b)no paycheque c)no gf... id probably be reading AlJezzera too. - Sat, 4 Apr 2009 9:11am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | was the first thing that pop up when I googled the story. - Sat, 4 Apr 2009 9:18am Edited: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 9:22am | ||
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