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April 26 at Camas
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| DA-NE User Info... | I was totally fucking revolted by how no one seemed to care about that kid who was wearing full on Nazi skinhead garb and a skrewdriver Tshirt. What in the hell is wrong with you guys who hung out drinking beer with him instead of giving him a smack up side the head and telling it like it is, that fascism is not welcome in the punk community. There was a time in this city when that kid would have been chased off by an angry mob. I don't want anyone taking me as a PC tight ass because I ain't. Anyone Who thinks that fighting white supremacy is being to PC and not having a sense of humor is clearly a sheltered little soft ass who's had way too easy a life to know when things should be taken seriously. Accepting that kind of thing is spitting in the face of any people of color, gay or Jewish people who were at the show. It's also spitting in my face and I'm not going to keep putting in time and effort on these shows and then stand around while people spit in my face. OK - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 5:06pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Nick and the 'Phants tore it up!! - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 5:33pm Edited: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 5:33pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | dane i know that kid, hes doing it for the image...hes not really a nazi, im glad no one fucked him up, cause hes a nice kid, just a little off. also im glad you kicked him out and everyone should from every all ager till he gets it through his head that that "image" isnt cool. anyways time to review the show.....i dont remeber it what so ever, so please someone fill me in on how everything went and im SORRY that i was so fucked, thanks to everyone that helped me out and got the sophistifucks you guys fucking rule. NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF! ps - i forgot my black boom box at the show if anyone has it please give me a call 478 1525 ask for jeff. thanks ^_^ - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 6:00pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | All the bands destroyed. Thanks for the awesome show Dane. - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 6:24pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Skrewdriver sucks. I agree all the people who were hanging out with him should've told him to fuck off, but that's neither here nor there. If he'd talked to me, I would've told him where to put it, but I'm a big pansy, so wasn't into the confrontation. - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 7:09pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... |  Hey Da-Ne, why not fight your own battles instead of trying to rally other show goers into doing it for you? You PC tightass types are a dying breed, hence why no one jumped to your PC tightass defense whilst in the vicinity of a shirt you found offensive. - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 8:24pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Are you seriously defending somebody wearing a skrewdriver shirt?... Seriously?... - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 9:25pm Edited: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 9:25pm | ||
| cordell User Info... | yeah that show was fuckin killer and the party after words... what the fuck?? haha good times. Sophistafux were fucking wicked blood nasty was good too. thrash on!!!! - Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:58pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | You're a remarkably effective troll. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:03am | ||
| jordan f. User Info... | when i first heard about that kid i was under the impression he showed up, got kicked out and left. But really people where hanging out with him outside? Thats fucking bullshit. I normally dont agree with violence at shows, but that kid needed to get knocked the fuck out. No im not trying to be a tough guy, but if someone shows up to a hardcore/punk show wearing WP gear they should leave bloody. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 3:30pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | hahahahaha its all about violence...its definitely the way to go VIOLENCE IS GAY PS - i hung out with him it was really cool we had a nice time ALSO this thread has inspired me i think im going to make a Burzum/skrewdriver shirt for the next show. i hope someone has the balls to fuck me up for wearing that shirt. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 8:17pm Edited: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 8:26pm | ||
| Sedlec User Info... | Maybe I missed something... but why didn't DANE speak up and say something then? If its so offensive. But instead of posting about it on a message board after seeing that person at the show, sounds kind of weird. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 8:52pm | ||
| DA-NE User Info... | actually I did kick him out of the show. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 9:34pm | ||
| grindbastard User Info... | Not all of us are peace punks. I find violence a very effective way of dealing with people I don't like. If that's the response you want, I can totally beat you up. Happy to help, actually. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 9:57pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | If you're so against violence, why do you support bands that curb stomp others for being a different colour or of a different religion? - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:00pm | ||
| jordan f. User Info... | i cant beleive people are defending him. - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:08pm | ||
| The Coug User Info... | Sounds like there was an inordinate number of coloured, gay, and jewish people at this show. Glad I didn't go. Hey Da-Ne, why not fight your own battles instead of trying to rally other show goers into doing it for you? You PC tightass types are a dying breed, hence why no one jumped to your PC tightass defense whilst in the vicinity of a shirt you found offensive. Your typical responses are just so ho-hum. 14/88 and shit dude really fucking intelligent and stuff. Kudos. Did you just get finished with your weekly jerking off to images of Boyd Rice? - Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:17pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | And so sinking to their level and immediately kicking the shit out of them on site is really going to make the situation better? If anything that kind of reaction is exactly what the kid is trying to generate. Sort of like Endeløs. I'm glad Dane kicked him out but "knocking him the fuck out" isn't going to make him suddenly realize how stupid the image he's representing is. Damnit, I promised myself I'd stay out of this one. Oh well. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 1:53am Edited: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 1:54am | ||
| Troy User Info... | show was tight. now the long wait till Hierophant can play shows ago. Dane did the right thing kicking him out and giving him his money back. Telling him to leave and that he wasn't welcome at the show. Sucks that he stuck around... other than that i am not going to get into this - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 2:52pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | yeah I noticed him, and I really gotta quit giving skinheads the benefit of the doubt. "maybe he's one of the non-racist .. oh, there's the skrewdriver shirt, scratch that." He's just a little kid, I was going to ask him what the fuck he was thinking but I don't really think he needed to be beat up. I can't really envision him running with a bunch of actual skinheads, who know better in this town than to "fly their colors". Sorry though guys, he's not "cool." Really, he's not. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 3:03pm | ||
| demen Ted User Info... | Show was fun, I enjoyed blood nasty's set a lot, although I wish I had of seen the fistifucks. Other bands not really what I'm into, but hey, they played well. Also glad to see what I hope is a new wave of young punks hitting the scene, and breaking away from the hardcore fluff that seems to be taking over the city. So, what did Erik do to piss everyone off? Lynch some negroes? Burn some jews? Slap a woman around? Show up in Klan attire burning crosses all over town? Or does everyone just want to beat up a polite, strong headed (albeit a little misguided) individual for what he wears? And I think that Skrewdriver is a great band. A lot of people claim you don't have to agree with a bands politics to like the music... Then you Rep a skrewdriver shirt and all of a sudden you're a scumbag. In a scene that removes itself from the "norm" in terms of fashion and ideals, I find it strange that there would be so much hate towards individuals that is just trying to find his niche in the fucked up world. Have a conversation with the kid, get to know him, before you go and kick his ass. Not saying he doesn't have it coming, as I've warned him countless times, but I feel everyone is just jumping on the crusty old band wagon "OMG a romper stomper skinhead GTFO LOLZ save teh childrenz!!!1!!!11!!one!" without actually knowing anything about the situation. A little understanding goes a long way. Have none of you ever been beaten up by ignorant fucks for your style or attitude? Did it do you any good? - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 3:16pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... | "Your typical responses are just so ho-hum. 14/88 and shit dude blah blah sniffle bleh blah blah cry. Kudos." Thanks, dude! Fuckin' A- rights, metal bro!! "Did you just get finished with your weekly jerking off to images of Boyd Rice?" No, I think you're confusing me with Shawn from Mitochondrion. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 4:23pm Edited: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 4:24pm | ||
| cordell User Info... | haha you guys really cared aboot that? Well from what i know he lisens to msuic and likes skrewdriver so has a shirt, wasnt bugging anyone aboot thier color was hanging with me and some buds (some of which who happen to not be whities) at a show who embraces peoples belifes and opinions and peace love blah blah so therefore beat him up? All of yo usuck seriously its music, everytime i see an (A) with some crass shit i get just as offended but i don't say anything cause i leave people to whatever they wanna belive. So you know what HE CAN HATE AS MUCH AS HE WANTS just as long as he dosnt do anything or tell me aboot it then i dont care, niether should you...for the record he aint no nazi, so seriously suck my nads. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 5:50pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Get your head out of the sand. A fucking skinhead with a Skrewdriver shirt is repping racism, and neo-nazism. There is no denying it. I'm sorry, my Jewish friends at that show were not impressed, and for good fucking reason. Why don't you reason with them about how we should be showing tolerance to someone who is dressed, to the fucking nines, like a nazi. Cordell, lets butt heads here because we know who each other are; you are down with skinheads coming out to shows .. think we should show tolerance .. wouldn't it be cool if a few more showed up to the next show? Then some more .. then some older skinheads who aren't there to "mosh" with you .. that'd be cool, right? You'd party down with them as long as they're not what .. fighting people? Or is it cool if they're fighting people who you're not down with, I heard people were trying to convince him to go in and punch Dane out. You know, the guy who helps put these fucking shows on. Sweeeeeeeeeet. So we should let skinheads come out to shows until what .. they lynch someone who isn't white? - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 6:54pm | ||
| DA-NE User Info... | Here's the thing about bands like skrewdriver or Rahowa or the angry aryans, their music is designed to influence. A kid who listens to hate rock just because they like the music and hears lyrics like "We just sit and let them come, they've got the white man on the run, mutiracial society is a mess, we ain't gonna take much more of this" and then "white power" over and over again starts to believe it. If this wasn't true of human nature so many kids wouldn't be straight edge. just a couple of years ago Skin heads in surrey murdered an East Indian man purely as a hate crime. these things start off as seemingly innocent and escalate. The time to fight a cancer is when it's small. Should any one have beaten that kid up? no. He's probably not a racist and just has shitty taste in music. But maybe that music will make him a racist he'll start his own hate rock band that plays music other kids will like and next thing you know Victoria has big white power scene. And Jeff, if you make that shirt you will never see your boom box again. I have it with me right now and I'm doing OOOOOOOHHHH.... terrible things to it. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 7:16pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Thanks for dragging me into this, Endelos .. But I won't give in to your provocation, nor my anger, lest "fire shall come". So beware "mr. intolerance"! For I might declare "total war" ... which would leave the battle ground a "scorched earth", for we are both "great destroyers". Although, we might resolve our enmities and realize that overall we're both just "people" and maybe shake hands because "love will change the world" .... but as I reflect "alone with the calm" ... "I'd rather be your enemy". So take off and get "out out out"!! So pretty much yeah I do jack it to Boyd Rice. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 7:47pm | ||
| jordan f. User Info... | thank you canon.docre We need to stop things like this before they become a real problem. - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 9:06pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | hahahah ok dane i wont make that shirt. but honestly erik's not a nazi beleive me i know him. just cause i have a slayer shirt doesnt make me a satanist, i have a minor threat patch and im not straight edge, i also have a metadone abortion clinic patch and i dont believe in rape. skrewdriver is supposed to influence hate but what about a straight edge band singing about fucking up a drunk punk? if i was wearing a Project X shirt would you kick me out of a show? eriks cool.fuck everyone. and for the record skrewdriver sucks and the angry aryans are a fucking lame band too. burzum on the other hand are one of the best black metal bands ever and so are graveland. music before lyrics FUCK - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:32pm | ||
| 1986 User Info... | shawn that post was amazing. Cause I'd rather be your enemy Than hear you call me friend - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:41pm | ||
| Demen Ted User Info... | deeleete - Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:16pm Edited: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:16pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | this one time i was in denmark and i saw boris and it ruled. victoria sounds like usual. erics a funny kid he means no harm...show ssounds like it slayed, i got a rad assuck and discordance axis shirt in berlin. europe slazs fuck victoria. except compound terror,hierophant and the revion spa queens....being durnk at 4 in the afternooon rules - Wed, 30 Apr 2008 7:54am | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | "A fucking skinhead with a Skrewdriver shirt is repping racism, and neo-nazism. There is no denying it. So we should let skinheads come out to shows until what .. they lynch someone who isn't white?" Bullshit, Scott. Wearing a bands' shirt does not equate to committing a hate crime. Nor does it lead to one. It's twisted logic like that that the christian right were trying to use after the Columbine Massacre. Remember? Marilyn Manson and violent video games were to blame for the violent actions of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Ridiculous. And by the way, I know I've seen you wearing an Emperor shirt. Using your logic you're supporting the killing of homosexuals and the burning of churches. Both activities that said band partook in. It's not my intent to attack you, Scott. I just can't understand someone drawing parallels between a shirt and a lynching. - Wed, 30 Apr 2008 4:37pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | eric plays warcraft and gets drunk. he likes to piss people off anyway he can, just like all of codels crew its how they get the kicks, see people 10 years older than them over react to all sorrts of things like this. i know its harsh to repp a skrewdriver shirt but did he punch out any muslims or dropp any n bombs. and yeah should we leave you bloody for wearing you project x hoody cause we smoke pot..smoke pot for peace.. fuck victoria sounds like usual# wp is wayne powerman not white pwoer - Thu, 1 May 2008 12:32am | ||
| cordell User Info... | this is soo dumb now, leave him alone haha i told him aboot everyone's hissy fit here and he just started laughing. Victoria's a joke. - Thu, 1 May 2008 9:46am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I don't think you can really equate Emperor's lyrics and themes and Skrewdriver's lyrics and themes. I also don't think you can say that the statement made by me wearing a blackmetal tshirt, and some kid with a shaved head wearing red suspenders and a skrewdriver shirt, is the same fashion statement. Its not. I don't really think you are attacking me by bringing that up, its a good point, but I think its safe to say that I'm pretty much the opposite of a racist. I would also be the first to say, if someone asked me, that what's his ass from Emperor is a fucking goof and I in no way support him, or the fact that he murdered a gay person. In fact I regularly make fun of blackmetal, and blackmetal bands. We wouldn't be having a conversation if some kid JUST wore a Skrewdriver shirt to a show; would have went something like "your shirt sucks, you aren't a nazi are you? "no!" "ok good." If I asked that kid "hey you know how Skrewdriver are a white power band .. I'm slightly worried you might be racist, considering you're wearing red suspenders and have a shaved head in addition to your poor, poor choice of a shirt..." that he'd go "oh, I'm not actually a skinhead.." I wouldn't even believe him. This wasn't a fucking hallowe'en party. he is obviously a skinhead, and not of the anti-racist variety (not that I'm paticularly down with any skinhead movement.) I really don't understand the confusion on some peoples parts here ... I'm not going to argue the point that he was going for a classic racist skinhead LOOK anymore, because that is plainly fucking obvious. I will remember what I was told from a non-white person about the ambiguity of this skinhead look, "I'm up on the fact that there are different kinds of skinheads and some of them aren't going to give me any problems, but when I see one walking down the street I'm going to stay the fuck away, I'm not going to ask them 'hey are you one of the kinds of skinheads that is ok with me?'" Some of the people who are arguing acceptance of this kids supposed politic obviously haven't been the victim of a hatecrime, and for some reason don't even think that skinheads are perpetrators of them. I'm not a "peace punk," or whatever you are calling political punks nowadays. I am an anarchist, not a fucking hippy, and I will gladly show you the fucking door if you are a skinhead. I am never giving a skinheads the fucking benefit of the doubt in regards to their particular 'flavor' of their look ever again. This show was the breaking point, when I saw him I was like "those punks wouldn't be hanging out with him if he was THAT kind of skinhead" but unforunately, Cordell, and Jeff, and whoever else was bro-ing down with him, you apparently are fine with white-power skinheads as long as they're not beating up black people in front of you. And ok, I heard you, he's not racist, but why is he dressed EXACTLY like a white power skinhead? No one would dress like that unless they were a white power skinhead, or severely brain-damaged. If he is confused about that, let this be a lesson: don't dress like that unless you are repping neo-nazism, because that is what dressing like that means. If this kid is not a racist skinhead, he needs to not dress EXACTLY LIKE ONE. I never said "let's beat him up" but sorry, that kid is never stepping foot into a show I am playing or have anything to do with ever again if he's going to dress like that, and I don't even care to defend my position on that. - Thu, 1 May 2008 10:23am | ||
| jeff User Info... | "This show was the breaking point, when I saw him I was like "those punks wouldn't be hanging out with him if he was THAT kind of skinhead" but unforunately, Cordell, and Jeff, and whoever else was bro-ing down with him, you apparently are fine with white-power skinheads as long as they're not beating up black people in front of you." HAHAHAHAHAHA... erics not a racist get it threw your head scott. i personally dont think eric is smart enought to have a racist views anyways. hes just a nice misguided kid, his last "fashion statement" was wearing metal shirts and repping iron maiden hard and growing his hair out, he'll grow out of this one soon. and unless i hear about him saying something racist/commiting a hate crime im not going to tell him what shirt to wear, how he should wear his hair or any of that shit, its up to him to make his own mind up about it. leave eric alone man. he just wants to get drunk and party. get to know him before making all the accusations. even if you are a close minded "oh hes wearing the White power skin head uniform he must be a piece of shit nazi" idea in your head. PS - i like you scott your really nice. - Thu, 1 May 2008 10:50am | ||
| Tambo User Info... | "Punks 'n' skins, lets unite them, send them out to sea and sink those fuckers." I'm gonna go drink iced tea. - Thu, 1 May 2008 1:36pm Edited: Thu, 1 May 2008 1:36pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | "I know I've seen you wearing an Emperor shirt. Using your logic you're supporting the killing of homosexuals and the burning of churches. Both activities that said band partook in." I found it interesting that this was glossed over. You wear a Skrewdriver shirt, you're a racist. You wear an Emperor shirt, you kill homosexuals and burn churches. This is the logic I am hearing. No exceptions, right? - Thu, 1 May 2008 2:07pm | ||
| sumyungai User Info... | Wheeeee... this is fun! You got me scared though, I'm worried about what my Pinky and the Brain shirt represents. - Thu, 1 May 2008 5:08pm Edited: Thu, 1 May 2008 5:20pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Eric isn't a nazi, at worst he's a dumb kid looking for attention. As Jeff alluded to I don't think he really entirely comprehends what he's representing, he's probably just laughing his ass off at how pissed off everyone has gotten. Sigh... - Thu, 1 May 2008 5:36pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Deovting a whole paragraph to explaining the difference is 'glossing over?' Okay, let me recap: The skinhead look, as defined right here by a shaved head, red suspenders, military boots, a racist oi band t-shirt, and denim jeans rolled up, symbolizes being part of a white power movement. That is EXACTLY what is symoblizes. It doesn't symbolize anything else. Pleading ignorance to this fact is impossible, because you would have to know something about the white-power movement to even know to dress like that. Wearing a band t-shirt with an ex-member who murdered a gay person and current members who burnt some churches (hell, who am I kidding, burning churches rules) symbolizes .. liking a band with an ex-member who murdered a gay person. It does not symbolize homophobia. Wearing metal t-shirts do not align you with an anti-gay movement. I have seen homophobic metal t-shirts. I would not wear them. Emperor DON'T talk about killing gay people in their music. Skrewdriver DO talk about white power in their music. Is it still glossed over? Need me to clarify further? - Thu, 1 May 2008 5:52pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | What the hell are we still arguing about this for? We've pretty much all agreed that him dressing as a skinhead is stupid, Dane did the right thing by telling him to get out, there was no need for violence, he's not really a legitimate threat to anybody ("I can't really envision him running with a bunch of actual skinheads" - Scott a little further up in this thread)... was it really necessary to accuse Jeff and Cordell of pretty much being nazi sympathizers? Had he actually made any attempt at following through on any kind of nazi ideals (or even made any kind of racist statements) this would be a completely different story, but the reason Jeff and Cordell were still hanging out with him is because they know he's completely harmless and will be onto his next fashion phase in no time. How much do you really need to know about nazism to have found out about skinheads? I don't see how someone could listen to punk and not be aware of what they are... he obviously understands it on some level but you're building this up as though he was trying to make some kind of fascist statement by dressing like a skinhead, whereas I'm saying that he's not intelligent enough to have been making a statement of any kind. If you really want to keep freaking out and making a huge deal about this then have fun, but don't fucking accuse my friend of supporting nazis. - Thu, 1 May 2008 6:28pm Edited: Thu, 1 May 2008 6:29pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I wouldn't really want to brand anyone who hung out with him as a 'nazi sympathizer,' and even though Cordell and I have wildly different opinions and politics I can still talk to him which I think says a lot about his character. Jeff, on the other hand, kicked me out of that show because I'm not moshcore and hates me (just kidding.) I understand why you're hanging out with the kid, he's your friend, there is no reason to alienate him. But defending his decision to rep white power? Come on. Don't encourage him, that's a baaaaad fucking road to go down. And I still don't see the huge difference between saying something racist, and dressing in a manner that deliberately symbolizes you are a racist. - Thu, 1 May 2008 6:55pm | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | Without skrewdriver, there wouldnt have been jewdriver! And regardless what anyone else thinks, im both completely irrational and stupid as fuck, so someone wearing a skrewdriver shirt is the same to me as someone walking around saying 'nigger' for reactions. Sure, some stupid kid might not meant nigger, but unless you want a bitch slap I would probably suggest not doing it. Regardless I was out camping so I didnt see the idiot. - Thu, 1 May 2008 7:08pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | He's not my friend, I wasn't hanging out with him at any point during this show and I'm sure as hell not defending his decision to rep skinhead attire. I'm only getting into this because I think it's stupid that everyone immediately came out saying "let's kick his ass!" and I think it's stupid to say something like "Cordell, and Jeff, and whoever else was bro-ing down with him, you apparently are fine with white-power skinheads as long as they're not beating up black people in front of you". I also think it's pretty stupid that this has evolved into a 40+ post argument somehow... all Jeff is saying is that he's not worth minding this much, ironically. God damnit I love internet debates. - Thu, 1 May 2008 7:10pm Edited: Thu, 1 May 2008 7:12pm | ||
| DA-NE User Info... | If this kind of thing keeps happening I'm going to start making really long, extremely boring speeches before every time blood nasty plays, and i'm pretty sure no one wants that. - Thu, 1 May 2008 7:14pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | But you still wore an Emperor shirt and they are linked with killing a gay dude. Homophobia is wrong. - Thu, 1 May 2008 11:04pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | MY NAMES GARY AND IM REEALLY ANNOYING - Fri, 2 May 2008 2:08am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | you're a dumbass. enjoy your headache. - Fri, 2 May 2008 11:38am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | (not you, tyler) - Fri, 2 May 2008 6:10pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Just because I think homophobia is wrong, does not mean I am a dumbass. As for the headaches, I was just reporting what people were telling me at the show. Don't shoot the messenger, man. I've got a headache in my pants. - Fri, 2 May 2008 8:09pm Edited: Fri, 2 May 2008 8:34pm | ||
| Sedlec User Info... | ROTFLMAO!!! - Fri, 2 May 2008 8:40pm | ||
| Tito Santana User Info... | there are tons of non racist oi bands out there.. go listen to the oi scouts, or belligerent 86, or fuckin oi polloi. king size braces.. fuck screwdriver. - Sat, 3 May 2008 8:50am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I tend to think that actually doing bad things is much worse than talking about bad things. Isn't killing people in fits of hate and burning down amazing pieces of architecture generally considered more of a crime than talking positively about being racist? Maybe I'm in the minority about this, but it makes sense to me. If this stupid young man had been wearing all that garb minus the Skrewdriver shirt, I'd be inclined to believe he actually believes whole heartedly in what he is representing. However, because of his age and what his friends have said about his character, it seems he is just in a confused stage of his life trying to find his identity. This deserves a serious talking to and maybe a show ejection. But all this after-the-fact, overreaction is silly and just what he was trying to achieve. He laughed at everyone who was bothered. That probably fires you all up even more. This all lends credibility to Skrewdriver's influence and effect, doesn't it? You have to have racist feelings and leanings in you before you can be directed by a band to go and commit hate crimes. It's the same argument as Ozzy and Judas Priest causing suicides...that liking a band and wearing their shirt makes people do and believe things. Total bullshit. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. A lot of people wear Turbonegro shirts and don the little sailor hats and have a handkerchief hanging out of their pocket at Turbonegro shows. They are fans of the band. Some may be gay and some may not. But I don't think Turbonegro's lyrics made the decision for them. While I generally agree with most of the basic principles of your views, Scott, I find myself disagreeing with the way it is presented in that extreme, activist, knee-jerk fashion. The blanket labelling of people as (in this case) racists or possible racists because they are friends with a confused kid who came to a show to stir up controversy is a dangerous approach to conveying your beliefs. I am also surprised to find myself debating with an anarchist who thinks that censoring people's attire and trying to control what people believe is the right thing to do. - Sat, 3 May 2008 2:54pm Edited: Sat, 3 May 2008 3:48pm | ||
| J. Peatman User Info... | Everyone deals with racists in their daily lives. Co-workers, friends, family, bus drivers, politicians, Salvation Army volunteers. Some people you would never suspect of it, and you value as a human being. Others come to a show wearing Skrewdriver shirts. Who the fuck cares? I thought punk music was also designed to get people to start a revolution, get a lynch mob together to hang all the capitalist head honchos. You know, flyers and cd covers with Harper and Bush with crosshairs projected over their faces. Ofcourse, that's all cool. But wearing a WP-outfit...UNACCEPTABLE!!1!11!!!1 Their music is designed to influence! OMG!!! The saddest part is that the ratio of leftist punks to WP skinheads in this town is probably 15 to 1. But hey, you gotta fight the cancer when it's small. So you ostracize and condemn them (in this case a kid who is trying to get a kick out of it). The nazis did that too, funny!! - Sat, 3 May 2008 3:41pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... |  Also I know eric, he is a fucking moron, and I am surprised he has not gotten his teeth kicked in just for being lippy, never mind dressing like a nazi skin bonehead. I would not beat him up, but I think if you dress like a bonehead to cause reactions, and get beat up, then you got what you were trying to get. I am not saying it is right or wrong, just to expect it. Just don't beat him up at an all ages show, it will likely bring the pigs, and other troubles to the shows... - Sat, 3 May 2008 4:18pm Edited: Sat, 3 May 2008 4:13pm | ||
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| Trevcore User Info... | Not many chicks out there who would bang a guy wearing suspenders with rolled up jeans. So he's pretty much taken himself out of the gene pool on his own. Fuck Nazis. - Sat, 3 May 2008 5:38pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | You'd be surprised trevor - Sat, 3 May 2008 6:05pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | I don't know how to respond to anything in this thread. I bet half of you are trolls. Thanks to Dane for putting on the show, you rule. Camas books is probably the most important store in Victoria. That's all. - Sat, 3 May 2008 6:06pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I just noticed the add at the bottom of this thread for Berlin sightseeing. In German. Thought I'd just "troll" that in the conversation. Carry on. - Sat, 3 May 2008 6:37pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Now it's gone. Nevermind. - Sat, 3 May 2008 6:38pm | ||
| sumyungai User Info... | That's kinda interesting, because I've noticed that the ads pick up on key words from the thread. In this case, the only way they could come up with Germany would be from focusing on the keyword "nazi". There is absolutely no other reference to Germany in this thread. Edit: Yeah, that ad's playing hide and seek with me too. - Sat, 3 May 2008 6:41pm Edited: Sat, 3 May 2008 6:43pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | WP is wayne powerman not white power smoke crack and date girls half your age and get away with it. fucking hainus - Sun, 4 May 2008 9:37am | ||
| sumyungai User Info... | Dating girls half your age rocks! When you get to be my age... - Sun, 4 May 2008 9:40am | ||
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