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Brutal AFRICAN Metal!!!
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| Mutilashawn User Info... | people often comment on the lack of metal from this continent. holy fuck this is good stuff. kind of goofy names but who fucking cares!!?!? it's brutal metal from BOTSWANA! I don't know why I find this so damn cool, but I do. http://www.myspace.com/wrust http://www.myspace.com/crackdust (I recommend "deranged psychopath" and "born of a sorcerer") every other southern/western African band I've seen is usual comprised of clearly rich (usually) European dudes who live in compounds .. good to see that metal lives in Africa! - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:57pm Edited: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:58pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... | That is fuckin cool , CrackDust!!! - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 1:10pm | ||
| Drustanos User Info... | This is just as ironic as white people rapping. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 2:19pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Yes, that is so badass. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 3:22pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | "This is just as ironic as white people rapping." Care to explain? - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 4:08pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | holy shit, that's awesome. good find shawn. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 5:25pm | ||
| Drustanos User Info... | Quote: "This is just as ironic as white people rapping." Care to explain? Insulting. To the metal culture and their own. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 7:50pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | uh...ok, i just want to make sure i'm reading this right, because i've been known to make mistakes before in my life, but are you actually saying that black people can't like metal? cuz, if that's true, your fucked. if i'm wrong, my apologies, but otherwise...yeah, fuck you. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 8:59pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Clearly you are ignorant as fuck .. not only to the ways of the world but to metal as well. This music is no better or worse than any other contemporary death metal band - well in my opinion it's fucking CRUSHING. I don't see how this music cheapens A) the metal "culture" or B) the people of Africa. In fact, I can name at least 10 WAY SHITTIER death metal bands made by whites/Europeans/Latinos/etc. Although nobody seems to make mention that the presence of these bands somehow taints the metal scene and is a slap in the face to whites/latinos/etceteras. Your point is null and void. The fact of the matter is that an "all black" metal band is rare, but by no means is it exclusive. I recall a band called MYSTIFIER!!!!! 4 Black guys (the Wicca lineup - their BEST album) from Brazil crafting some of the best black/death you will ever hear. This was in the late 80's/early 90's, but if you go back even further to the late 70's there was a band from the States called Black Death (how appropriate ha!) comprised completely of black musicians. THE 70's!!!! ... when metal as we know it today was in formative years. At the same time, I'm sure Caller of Storms, Mike Smith, Terrance Hobbs, Katon DePena, Eugene Robinson, Derrick Green, and (obviously) more black individuals within the metal CULTURE would have a bone to pick with your foolish comments. If you want to be racist .. be racist .. whatever, what am I going to do about it? But don't be outright stupid!! - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:13am | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | I came to say what Shawn did, and.... This is just as ironic as white people rapping. Nothing about that is ironic, go back to english class. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 6:47am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Ease up. Dicks. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:25am | ||
| Sedlec User Info... | He said its ironic, not "i hate black people that make metal" CRACKDUST is clearly a reference to hard drugs, thats the part thats insulting to metal culture and their own. Indeed everyone needs to ease up, another predictable thread with predictable responses from the moral police. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:58am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Yup. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 8:09am | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "He said its ironic, not "i hate black people that make metal" CRACKDUST is clearly a reference to hard drugs, thats the part thats insulting to metal culture and their own. Indeed everyone needs to ease up, another predictable thread with predictable responses from the moral police." and if that's the case, then yeah, i'd agree with him. but the way he said it made it sound like he was ragging on them because they were black. at the very least, he needs to clarify his statement, and be a little more intelligent about how he says things. we're not mind readers, and those were some INCREDIBLY ambiguous statements that could easily be taken for racist. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 8:43am Edited: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 8:48am | ||
| Endeløs User Info... | What's more ironic than an all 'black' metal band called Crackdust? Having a few white kids come to their defence on a message board. Kids that are open about their interest and support of genre like Black Metal; A genre long steeped in racism, hatred and intolerance. I shouldn't even have to mention Death In June, Boyd Rice/NON, Blood Axis... Projects I know certain individuals here have professed a liking for. Projects that promote Totalitarianism, Authoritarian, etc. But I guess in the end what's important isn't a bands beliefs or the message they promote, so long as you dig the music? What's really important here is that some awful, mean guy on Live Victoria pointed out the irony of an all black band called Crackdust!! Shame on him! Yeah, back to English class! (???) - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 9:10am Edited: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 9:12am | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | I agree with the original irony statement. Good band, but yeah to the other points, metal is definitely more racist than any other popular genre that i can think of. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 9:27am | ||
| Doc User Info... | "metal is definitely more racist than any other popular genre that i can think of." WTF??!!?!?!? Did you actually think before you wrote that? I listen to a LOT of metal, and I don't think that I can recal a single racist comment in any of the bands that I listen to. And really, the most racist genre of music is RAP. Black guys hating on whitey, black guys hating on other black guys, white guys hating on whitey I mean come on! Besides I can think of several rather prominent all balck metal bands. God Forbid leaps immediately to mind. Those guys fuckin RULE, and what about motherfuckin' Body Count? Okay, I realize that you all may be a little on the young side to remember Body Count, but sufice it to say that Ice-T and a bunch of angry ex-gangstas making metal music was pretty sweet (though now that I think about it THEY sounded a little on the racist side). Bottom line, don't go reading stuff into things that isn't really there, it just makes you look like an ass. You can't say for sure what bands are or are not racist, just what they put forth in their music which is NOT the same thing. ~I'm not racist, I hate you all equally Doc - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:06am | ||
| Bryan User Info... | "I listen to a LOT of metal, and I don't think that I can recal a single racist comment in any of the bands that I listen to." If you've never heard of Darkthrone or Burzum then apparently you don't listen to THAT much metal. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:10am | ||
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| Doc User Info... | "If you've never heard of Darkthrone or Burzum then apparently you don't listen to THAT much metal." Who said I haven't hear of those bands? I've been been listening to metal since you were just an ache in your father's crotch. I didn't say that there weren't any racist comments, just that I didn't recall them, but even if there were, it just ties in to the final point I made in my last post "You can't say for sure what bands are or are not racist, just what they put forth in their music which is NOT the same thing." It's the same principle that was applied to your little friends necrophilia hooker slashing band here: http://LiveVictoria.com/index.php?&action=load_mb&new_subject=359925¤t_board=17 Shit, there are so many metal bands out there that are clearly not racist. Would Mike Smith drum for suffocation if they were a bunch of n****r bashers? Would Pig Benis play bass for Mushroomhead if they were a bunch of racist, white trash honkies? Get a clue man. ~My God is bigger than your God Doc - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:36am | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Uh, I'm pretty fucking positive that Varg Vikernes isn't just putting fourth racism as part of his music. He's written books about the subject and is an extremely outspoken white supremacist. Of course there are tons of metal bands who aren't racist, I don't even necessarily agree with the point that metal is "the MOST" racist genre, but to act like the notion that there's a lot of racism in metal is absurd as you just did above is pretty ignorant. There's also a ton of hip-hop that doesn't make any kind of racist comments... And I don't see what my friend's joke band has to do with this, that band exists to make fun of stupid cliches in metal. Somehow, I'm pretty sure not many of the countless nazi metal bands (Graveland, Hate Forest, Nokturnal Mortum, Absurd, Spear of Longinus, Grand Belial's Key... I'm sure Shawn or somebody else who's more into black metal and the like than I am could name tons more) are doing it as a parody. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:02am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | "Kids that are open about their interest and support of genre like Black Metal; A genre long steeped in racism, hatred and intolerance. I shouldn't even have to mention Death In June, Boyd Rice/NON, Blood Axis... Projects I know certain individuals here have professed a liking for. Projects that promote Totalitarianism, Authoritarian, etc." referring to me. yes I like these bands, but it has no affect whatsoever on this discussion. "in the end what's important isn't a bands beliefs or the message they promote, so long as you dig the music?" despite your sarcasm .. yes!!!!! The intension of this thread wasn't "WOW LOOK AT THESE BLACK GUYS MAKE MUSIC!!" - it was "wow this band rules, and they are from a part of the world that doesn't typically create such music". He brought the issue of it being an insult to "their people" which I still don't see. It's the kind of double standard that drives me nuts! Why must this band in particular have to represent "their people"? - just as Darkthone should not have to be representative of Europeans and Sarcofago should be representative of Hispanics. It doesn't work that way. We're splitting hairs over a band NAME referring to drugs (not even subject mater)! And NO he did not point out the irony of the situation. Don't put words in his mouth. How does this parallel white kids rapping? To me that seems like he is saying that they don't belong in this form of music ... just as the white kids would seemingly not belong in rap. Understand why I jumped to conclusions? - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:07am | ||
| Mr. Chkrlc User Info... | i think whats on everyones mind is actually that eminems is the best rapper out there, no ifs ands or buts /thread - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:30am | ||
| Endelosr User Info... | Please explain this- "in the end what's important isn't a bands beliefs or the message they promote, so long as you dig the music?" despite your sarcasm .. yes!!!!! Which is immediatly followed with- "It's the kind of double standard that drives me nuts!" You are the first person to come to the racial-rescue when you perceive a minority group has been insulted on Live Victoria. A message board viewed by very few people I might add. However, a band that preaches the very words you so vehemently despise, a band whose music and message reaches untold numbers of people around the world; you not only accept that, but you are a supporting fan. That defines double standard. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:56am | ||
| Drustanos User Info... | Looks like I nailed a vein. "Nothing about that is ironic, go back to english class." I hate to get into grammar use because I've always hated english, and its about the most petty thing someone on a forum can do. Despite this, I stand by my use of the word and I do find a metal band from africa named "crackdust" to be "coincidental", "unexpected" and "humorously sarcastic or mocking". The same goes for white rappers. "This music is no better or worse than any other contemporary death metal band" Yes, there are plenty of shitty deathgrind bands that are worse than this one. I dislike them too. "Good band, but yeah to the other points, metal is definitely more racist than any other popular genre that i can think of" I never mentioned race other than comparing it with another minority in white rappers. I do agree with the fact that most black metal bands(the genre), along with plenty of other extreme metal bands ARE racist, and I do not understand why a group of black guys would want to promote a style of music which promotes prejudice against them. This is IRONIC. Some of you applaud tolerance of racial issues but are absolutely intolerant of people having an opinion different than your own. It doesn't matter what my own beliefs on this matter are, I never brought them into the picture and I presented myself respectfully, while expressing my opinion of these bands. Thank you to those that have posted and understand this. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 1:30pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Fair enough Endelos .. but again that does not directly factor in to this present discussion. There have been no points made, or even furthered .. just personal brow beating. The fact that I like bands that do not follow my pretty strong opinions does not negate that fact that another double standard still exists. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 1:44pm Edited: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 1:46pm | ||
| Jason Flower User Info... | just a few non-ego based facts on black rock in general -- As for the godfathers of black rock (pushing aside the blues masters), Jimi Hendrix influenced a soul group by the name of Black Merda to go heavy. Pronounced "Black Murder", they issued two LPs of which i highly recommend the debut. In 1976, a group named Death issued a 7" including the track "keep on knockin". its still unconfirmed if Death and Black Death were related, however this Death 7" is considered by collectors to be evidence of the existing proto-punk scene in the USA. Black Death released their LP on Auburn Rec in 1984, and were known to have quite a hassle if a member quit as they couldnt find other black folks in their hometown who could play metal. They fuckin rocked. As for Bad Brains, everyone may think they were the first black punk band, but they were not. the first was Pure Hell from NY, who cruised the early glitter scum glam scene of 1974, then became a full blown punk band, and later a metal group. check them out, there is a great discography. As for exotic metal -- there is and has more or less ALWAYS been metal everywhere. i have been to metal festivals in Bulgaria and Poland, partied with the metal heads of Tbilisi (Republic of Georgia)...and have metal from Armenia, Malta, Iceland, Madagascar, allover Asia, India, Nepal, all the Southern Muslim ex Soviet states, etc etc. http://africaheavymetal.canalblog.com/archives/metal_afrique/index.html Kazar from Madagascar rule. there was a HUGE rock scene in Africa in the 60s and 70s, and metal was the natural progession from that. i recommend anyone interested in global metal check out the world metal encyclopedia -- http://www.metal-archives.com/ watch out for the film Global Metal by Sam Dunn. for the love of music everybody! ;) jason flower. ps - not to open a political discussion, but i do personally consider metal and metalheads to often be some of the most rascist, antisemetic, homophobic, sexist, insecure turds that walk this earth. however, as time goes by i hope and believe that such people will come to understand that in the metal scene its ok to be gay, non-white, female, jewish, muslim, etc etc and that we stand much stronger when we stand together. its music! metal should unite us, not divide us. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 1:55pm Edited: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 2:04pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | yes its all about bring up death rape - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 2:44pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Wasn't slagging your band Jeff, just using it to illustrate the point that bands don't necessarily believe all the things that they put forth in their music. As for Nazi metal bands, fuck those ass-holes and what they stand for. Still willing to bet that half of them are merely putting out a product to meet demand. A great example of this would be Slayer. We all know what their songs are all about, but Tom Araya is CATHOLIC for fuck's sake. Brings new meaning to the old adage of don't judge a book by it's cover. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:35pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Flowers is right. Listen to the Flowers. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:39pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | It's threads like this that make me question the legitimacy of "metal". - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:40pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | These guys should tour here. I'd support. As far as race goes, whateveuh. All humans are monsters, well, most. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:53pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Here here! Everyone is the same shitstain ghoulish retards as far as I'm concerned. Except for Sebastian Bach. He is God. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 3:55pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I'd like to see this thread if it was about an openly gay metal group. Sebastian LOVES my weed. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:17pm Edited: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:18pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Yeah it'd be a tad more interesting if it were about a band with lesbian tranny black gay midget chiks with diks bulimic alcoholic bi-polar commies. Such is life I guess, sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:22pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | hey drustano's, it looks like i was wrong about what you meant, so i'm sorry if i attacked. but i back what i said earlier. you were WAY ambiguous, and if you read what you wrote earlier, i'm pretty sure you would agree with me. just sayin'... oh, and trevor, i know it's not metal, but still....for you... http://www.myspace.com/limpwrist - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:33pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I KNEW SOMEBODY WOULD BRING THEM UP! GOOD SHOW, SON!!!! Had to be done. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:35pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | i remember a friend of mine was talking to Joe Hardcore from Shattered Realm about the tour they did together, and i believe that Joe's exact words were "toughest bunch of fags i've ever met. fuck those dudes are hard." yeah, scariest gay guys you will ever ever meet, from what i hear. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:38pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Fake fags fuck off. You cats should cover that one, A. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:47pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | oh man. yes. yes we should. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 4:58pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | The more I listen to this, the more it grows on me. It seems perfectly natural. What kind of metal is this? You guys should check out some Brazilian rap. - Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:14pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Danzig? Dio? /oh - sorry, forget it - I guess they're straight. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 1:07pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Having now actually given it a good listen, this is pretty sick. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 1:21pm | ||
| Kivarenn82 User Info... | fascinating that just because the band has coloured folk in it.. it would cause such a stir. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 3:45pm | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | METAL ISN'T RACIST!!! HOW CAN A GENRE OF MUSIC BE RACIST??? - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 5:05pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... |  HOW CAN A GENRE OF MUSIC BE RACIST???" - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:33pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... |  HOW CAN A GENRE OF MUSIC BE RACIST??? - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:33pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... |  HOW CAN A GENRE OF MUSIC BE RACIST??? - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:34pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... |  HOW CAN A GENRE OF MUSIC BE RACIST??? - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:35pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... |  HOW CAN A GENRE OF MUSIC BE RACIST??? - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:37pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | why do all the metal threads end up like this? long, moral, 1000+ views? - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:45pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... | Just to clarify; It is not my intention to offend by posting these images, but to prove a point. Racist genres of music do exist. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 7:47pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | I'd post references to all the kill whitey rap shit out there but I'd rather not stoop to the level of some of these earlier posts. I'm with Nick, a genre of music can't be racist. I hate rap like a plague but I wouldn't call rap racist just because some people who rap have a chip on their shoulder. It's as stupid as calling someone racist for making a joke against Compton. Compton isn't a race but for some reason Victoria seems to have a record number of white people hell bent on playing the race card on someone else's behalf. Oh, and back to the topic at hand, I like the music. I don't love it but it's not bad. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 8:32pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... | "A genre of music can't be racist" http://resistance.com/catalog/ Go here and tell me racist genres of music do not exist. Following your logic, NOFX and Screwdriver play the same genre of music. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 8:43pm Edited: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 8:50pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | I think what he meant by that was that a style of playing isn't inherently racist. People fit lyrics to whatever it is they're playing and it somehow creates a "sub-division". Sure a genre CAN be racist if you're basing the said genre solely on the lyrics. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 9:07pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | http://www.break.com/index/the_amazing_racist_islam.html - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 9:24pm | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | Here is whats going on here... "This is just as ironic as white people rapping" THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT/ASSUMPTION OF STATEMENT "white people" rapping is not very ironic...there are many different situations involving people of european decent and rap. There are good and bad examples of "white people" and rap. Rap is a genre generally PORTRAYED to be populated by "black people" (by this i mean african decent in an american context)=, and Metal...by "white people". the only truth in the statement: "This is just as ironic as white people rapping" is that these bands are an example of artists who are not the typically portated race in a said genre...wooo big deal. also, Endelos...pictures of nazi worship/ns metal bands doesnt disprove my point....this is the imagery and lyrics not the music. The style of music that these bands play does not require this type of imagry/lyrics....the band just decided to put the two together.... what would be amusing is black people playing polka music and white people playing djembe/marimba music at the same event. PS. Damaar - Triumph Through Spears of Sacralige LP is out now on NWN! Productions. Crushing LEBONESE War Metal!! Beats the shit out of 99% of "war" metal today. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:04pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | White people can so rap too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4RebvThAr4 - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:44pm | ||
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| Andrew User Info... | what a retarded thread. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:28pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | It's mostly endelos' fault. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:50am | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | "also, Endelos...pictures of nazi worship/ns metal bands doesnt disprove my point....this is the imagery and lyrics not the music. The style of music that these bands play does not require this type of imagry/lyrics....the band just decided to put the two together...." Yes hence making it a different genre/sub genre of metal. You can't compare a total nazi worship black metal band to a band with totally different lyrical content. Thats just like saying a Christian Black Metal band and Satanic Black Metal band are all the same because of the sound of the music... but many people could care less about lyrical content obviously. To many of these "racist bands" their lyrics are the foundation of their music. It does prove a point, there is a big difference. I'm sure if you went to a NOFX show and then a Screwdriver show the crowds would be vastly different. Sure sounds like a similar style, but its a different culture in its own. But this thread is dead, its just going in circles... very pointless now. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:20am Edited: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:24am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | yep, hopelessly hung up on semantics ... the end. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:39am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | for a minute i thought you said "hopelessly hung up on semetics" LoL nazi imagery is pretty neato. the symbols and black red uniforms are very cool too. They need to make a non PC totaly status quo threatening scifi nazi movie with a huge budget. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 4:22pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | they did. it's called "the triumph of the will" now, speaking as the grandson of a holocaust survivor, kindly shut the fuck up. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 4:36pm | ||
| The Grand Poo-Bah User Info... | "In Living Color is My Favourite Black Metal Band" - Anal Cunt I really don't care about this thread, I just think that's a hilarious title. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 8:32pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | That's heavy, Austin. Were they in a concentration camp? How did they survive/escape? You should have been around for our Rememberance Day thread. I hate Nazis - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 8:41pm Edited: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 8:42pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | it's a long long story, as most of them are. suffice it to say, he and his parents (through luck, mainly) were the ONLY survivors of a large jewish family. they managed to stay out of the concentration camps, but my granddad had to live in the woods for about a year and a half in order to avoid it (he was only twelve). they emigrated to england and never spoke of it, or their religion, again. i remember him calling me when i was about ten, drunk out of his mind, trying to tell me about it. it pretty much sucked. - Mon, 17 Dec 2007 9:06pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | chill out. just cause i find the symbols and uniforms to be cool, doesn't mean im insulting jews. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 5:45pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | actually, yes it does. the symbols and uniforms were a tactical move by hitler and his elite to instill fear in the jewish population and almost slave-like devotion in the general populace. as well, he used the uniforms and symbolism of the nazi party to gain total control over the army. he was once quoted as saying "put a man in uniform, and command him, and he will do anything." a theory that he ended up proving with horrific consequences. the symbolism and uniforms of the nazi party are intrinsically linked with hitler's plans, and the systematic murder of 11 million jews, poles, russians, gypsies, and homosexuals. they're not cool, and saying so is an insult to me as a jew, and the memory of all the people that lived with that horror. i understand that you're obviously really, really stupid, so i'm trying to be nice here, but seriously, be quiet. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 6:05pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | You're looking for a reason to be offended. Do you really think that "yelling" at me is going to make what happened any better? You're causing conflict where it doesn't have to be and really doesn't need to be.... I guess im just so fucking terrible for liking a god damn uniform . YOU'RE A HERO. "The sum of your parts, are not going to change any hearts. Not with hate in your eyes" - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 6:18pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | ANDREW! Just say you're sorry, and let it go. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 6:49pm | ||
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| trevor corey User Info... |  Now go to your room. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 7:39pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | someone must have just been dumped or something ... so much angst! - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 8:34pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | *sigh* jesus, you must be sixteen. no one else could be this stupid. look, you said something offensive. really, really really offensive. you are clearly in the wrong. apologize, and move the fuck on. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 9:14pm Edited: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 9:16pm | ||
| Drustanos User Info... | Quote "chill out. just cause i find the symbols and uniforms to be cool, doesn't mean im insulting jews." Exactly. Austin you are blindly pointing your finger again. He mentioned a piece clothing and said nothing of ideologies or antisemitism. I understand your background but you are going to be exposed to things like this in life, so get used to it. Not everyone is going to be a spineless P.C. pussy and apologize. By your logic we should not admire the pyramids or the sphinx either. Much Nazi imagery predates WW2 Germany. The Aztecs, Hindus and Celts used variations of the swastika long before Germany did. Refer to my earlier post with the picture for my feelings on how you and a few others are acting. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:03pm | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | dont let this thread die the symbols and uniforms were a tactical move by____ and his elite to instill fear in the _____ and almost slave-like devotion in the ____. as well, ___ used the uniforms and symbolism of the ______ to gain total control over the _____. ___ was once quoted as saying "put a man in uniform, and command him, and he will do anything." a theory that ____ ended up proving with horrific consequences. the symbolism and uniforms of the ____ are intrinsically linked with _______, and the systematic murder of ________,_____ HISTORY MAD LIBS !!! pick a war/conflict and fill in the blanks! (hammer/sickle...stalin....etc.etc...)(pope ???, cross...crusades.........ETCETC) unity, order, uniforms and imagery are effective ways to unite a populus. during war/genocide this is almost a nessesity!!! WWII is not unique!!! - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:07pm Edited: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:11pm | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | Hey austin, how bout you kindly shut the fuck up War is war, people die, The holocaust didnt happen for no reason. Nazi imagery and uniforms ARE cool and fascinating and not everyone who is a war enthusiast is insulting Jews. If your grandfather SURVIVED what do you have to bitch about anyway - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:11pm | ||
| 1986 User Info... | The Nazis ABUSED the wheel/swastika/hooked cross!! They wrecked the symbol for western society by using it without regard for its true meaning(s) and slapping it on every fucking thing. ...Or did they..... ...is it more powerful now?? - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:16pm Edited: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:17pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... |  .....Andrew is STILL grounded. - Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:21pm Edited: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:32pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | This thread represents everything there is to love about the internet. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:26am Edited: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:27am | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "I understand your background" no, you don't. trust me, you never will. i spent most of my life living in cincinnati, ohio. every year at christmas, the KKK would march 5,000 strong down the streets to plant a cross in fountain square. quite a few of them wore swastika's, and were also into nazi iconography. one of their kids was so into nazi iconography, that he drew swastika's all over my locker just to prove it. "Not everyone is going to be a spineless P.C. pussy." no, i guess not. but i'm not gonna be a spineless kike and take this shit. you CAN, in fact, say whatever you want. feel fucking free. and i have the right to be insulted, and say something back. it's called freedom of speech, and its a two way street. if you don't like me getting in your face about something you said, don't fucking say it. if you can't take the heat from your own bullshit, fuck off. every time you say "stop being so P.C.!" when someone gets upset over something you said, all i hear is "WAAAAAHHH!!! i don't have the balls to back up what i said in the first place!!". you wanna come back at me with a counter-argument, i'm fine with that, and yes, i know you actually have done that. however, when you start whining about someone being "too P.C.", then your just a bitch. "Hey austin, how bout you kindly shut the fuck up War is war, people die, The holocaust didnt happen for no reason. Nazi imagery and uniforms ARE cool and fascinating and not everyone who is a war enthusiast is insulting Jews. If your grandfather SURVIVED what do you have to bitch about anyway" ...wow. thanks. i mean, i had lost all faith in humanity already, but it's nice to see that i'm right. i'm not gonna back down. nazi imagery, all of it, isn't cool. it's fucked. and it destroyed a lot of lives. claiming to be "war enthusiasts" or just "thinking it's cool" isn't ok. i hate that shit with a passion, and will not say otherwise. get used to it. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:28am Edited: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:35am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | ss - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:51am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | I'm glad you've lost faith in humanity because you never should have had any in the first place you pussy. Death is reality. Human beings are shit. mass extermination is a fun thing to talk about. try manning up and stop whining about some shit that happened 70 years ago, no one cares. people die all the time. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:55am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | Only in the dark age of superion will the earth be rid of weak people like you - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:56am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | CRACKDUST RULES. BY THE WAY aUSTIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD IS. hAIL TO THE MIGHTY CRACKDUST!!! MY NEW FAVOURITE CRAPPY DEATH METAL BAND - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:58am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | By the way Anyone who hates on crackdust is fittin to get cracked upside the head! - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 1:02am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Note to self: boycott any show that features Golgotha in the lineup. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 1:28am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | I Dont play with them anymore but you can be banned from any BATTLEGRIM SHOW! - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 1:44am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | ss - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 1:45am | ||
| Dan Long User Info... | Hey im working on some lyrics, does anyone know something that rhymes with GAS CHAMBER? - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 2:04am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | small member? - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 3:49am | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | I'll admit I thought swazi's were cool the first time I saw them. But I was 6 and had no clue what that symbol was synonymous with. I just thought that if I had a metal one it would make a dope throwing star. Once I was told stories of hitler, WW2, and what my grandfather had gone through in the war I knew I could never be on good terms with those images ever. Throwing someone in the oven for being jewish, polish, whatever is just fucked. But now so many years later we have to be overrun with P.C. extremists desperate as fuck to point the finger, accusing people of being racist, especially if they don't take part in their witch hunt. I'm sure that at least some of the people who think too little of past horrors do so because of P.C. bombardment coming at them too often. Every canada day people bitch at us for being canadian insisting we hang our heads in shame. Every April 20th someone starts a thread called "happy 420" and nitwits gather around to call them hitler loving nazi's just because it happens to land on the pricks birthday, and last month people felt it necessary to bash remembrance day and the soldiers who fought and suffered for the level of freedom we have today. So don't be surprised if people who are told by those same whiners to be more sensitive don't get taken seriously. Fuck fascism whether it's naziesque or P.C. If you're out on a wing, left or right, please fall off and die. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 4:58am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | austin you're arguing with everyone at once. i wasn't complaining about your pc.. i just replied with my point of view and that's it. i have nothing against jews or anything. The pictures should have been self explanatory in the way that they show how drawing and "cool" red and black can be to a lot of people and how the colors have obviously helped sell a bunch of shitty records (and in the past sold shitty ideals). I love history and current events with a passion. I dont think there was any other subject that i got an A in at school aside from history. In my past few months i've become to realise that everything is way too uptight. I'm not going to censor what i have to say because it may knick some1's psychological armour. I don't do any KKK marches and i dont draw swastikas on peoples lockers, I just think the visual side of the third reich was something that could have been called romantic. That's it. Go ahead and get mad but im not guilty of anything. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 6:58am | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "i have nothing against jews or anything." i never said you did. really, go back and look. i said that attempting to turn the swastika or nazi iconography "cool" was insulting to me as a jew. and it is. it really is. nazi imagery, and uniforms, and all that shit, are not cool. and as i stated before, i hate that shit with a passion, and will always argue that it sucks. "I love history and current events with a passion. I dont think there was any other subject that i got an A in at school aside from history. In my past few months i've become to realise that everything is way too uptight. I'm not going to censor what i have to say because it may knick some1's psychological armour." i like the fact that your into history and current events with a passion. so am i. in fact, i'm majoring in history right now. and, as i said before, you have the right to say whatever you want. but if you are going to say something, completely uncensored, there is a chance you will offend someone. you offended me. i'm not a "PC fascist" or anything like that. i usually don't give a shit what people say. but i'm hugely anti-racist, and VIOLENTLY anti-nazi. i don't find the imagery "romantic" and i don't think it's cool. i think it's a shitty, and i'm going to say so. and if you say "nazi imagery is neato", i'm going to say "fuck you". and really really mean it. "I don't do any KKK marches and i dont draw swastikas on peoples lockers, I just think the visual side of the third reich was something that could have been called romantic. That's it." again, never said you did. i was using those instances as a way of pointing out that racism, especially racism tied to nazi imagery, is alive and well. i suppose i was a little obtuse. i'm sorry. i didn't mean for it to come across that way. and doom, i agree for the most part with what you said. the whole PC movement pretty much destroyed the liberal movement and the anti-racist movement. jumping on anyone, with little regard for what they said, sucks. i mean, people actually took the "420" to mean hitlers birthday? fuck, we live in BC. i'm straightedge and i know what that shit means. but i'm also tired of people labeling anyone who argues with them as "PC". its a bitch move. i agree if it's a legitimate case of PCism (such as the 420 thing...jesus), but if someone has a legitimate argument to make, then you have the responsibility as the person who made the original statement to either argue back as effectively as possible, or to back down and apologize. labeling whoever disagrees with you as "PC" is just as reactionary as labeling anyone who disagrees with you "racist". - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 8:20am Edited: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 8:34am | ||
| Sedlec User Info... | "Nazi imagery and uniforms ARE cool and fascinating and not everyone who is a war enthusiast is insulting Jews." - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 8:39am | ||
| Drustanos User Info... | Thread of the year candidate? - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 9:34am | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | Yeah maybe for "worst thread ever". - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:23am | ||
| Drustanos User Info... |  http://www.finalverdictentertainment.com/ You guys all have a good X-mas, winter solstice or whatever you celebrate. Even you Austin. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46am | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | thread of the year award goes too.....MUTILATSHAWN!!!!!!! woo hey Austin or whoever...i know a jew who likes swastika displaying black metal...what do you think of that... NOT ALL JEWS ARE OFFENDED BY NAZIESQUE IMAGRY also....Hamas imagery is cool too......balaclavas, guns, suicide, leather jackets = metal. all bs aside HAPPY HANUKKAH, MERRY CHRISTMAS, KWANZA, SOLSTICE, WINTER, ETC ETC - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 5:47pm | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | ive never met a metalhead that wasnt atleast partially racist. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 6:14pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | Jews that aren't offended by nazi images aren't so hard to find. Hitler was jewish for fucks sake. The Borat character is played by a jew and he wrote the song "Throw the jews down the well". I don't see why Austin would abruptly change his views based on what other jews think. I think it's time for some beer. Now let's see how many metal heads run off for a beer out of influence (probably a few actually) - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 6:57pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I'm not a Jew, and I am completely offended by Nazi imagery. I'll even call you a cunt, and kick your ass. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:02pm Edited: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:03pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | Was watchin' Family Guy tonight, gotta love the Nazi/Hitler bashing. The Simpsons are known for that as well. Too funny. - Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:44pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | There is zero proof that Hitler was jewish, just so you know. 100% heresay. - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 3:48am | ||
| Lu User Info... | *Runs off to get some beer* - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 8:41am | ||
| Meantime Mike User Info... | "ive never met a metalhead that wasnt at least partially racist" Hi, My name is Mike. There. Now you have. - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:20am | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | I have to say it is a really discriminatory generalization. I don't know if doomhammer considers himself to be a metal head or a racist. I think we're all somewhat racist in other peoples eyes just 'cause opinions very so much. I've been told that to be truly non-racist you shouldn't be able to tell one race from another. I know for fact that's trying too hard. On another note, I know this will start more controversy, but what is everyones views on hate crime laws? I'm watching first48 right now and over heard the term hate crime. Personally I think it's sick for the courts to tell potential offenders that they will be judged less harshly provided that their victims are white, heterosexual males. Why should I approve of being discriminated against? - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 7:32pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | From the second I saw the title I knew what the contents of this thread would look like. The reactions I expected, the arguments I expected... Not even going to state my opinion because it really doesn't matter. No one here is going to agree to disagree, and that's understandable, it's the internet. It's time to party, let's party. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:05am | ||
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| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | Hate crimes do more than threaten the safety and welfare of all citizens. They inflict on victims incalculable physical and emotional damage and tear at the very fabric of free society. Crimes motivated by invidious hatred toward particular groups not only harm individual victims but send a powerful message of intolerance and discrimination to all members of the group to which the victim belongs. Hate crimes can and do intimidate and disrupt entire communities and vitiate the civility that is essential to healthy democratic processes. In a democratic society, citizens cannot be required to approve of the beliefs and practices of others, but must never commit criminal acts on account of them. Current law does not adequately recognize the harm to public order and individual safety that hate crimes cause. Therefore, our laws must be strengthened to provide clear recognition of the gravity of hate crimes and the compelling importance of preventing their recurrence. Accordingly, the legislature finds and declares that hate crimes should be prosecuted and punished with appropriate severity. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 3:25am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | we're all equal, some of us just came out of the trees sooner. :) id reccomend a show called "guns, germs, and steel" The guy claims that our geographical position has a lot to do with how fast/if we evolve. If you have to spend your whole day hunting, you have no time to ponder the meaning of life etc blah blah. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 4:29pm Edited: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 4:32pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | "id reccomend a show called "guns, germs, and steel"" I recommend the book... so hah! - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 5:18pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | I hear what you're saying Nick but we also have to take into account that lawyers will always be involved in criminal charges and they are without a doubt a shifty lot. If there's a dispute in court involving violence and a white guy and a guy who's not white one of the lawyers will FOR SURE be playing the hate crime card, whether it was a hate crime, a non-prejudice crime, or simply self defense. We also have to remember that (I know I've brought this up in the past) in our canadian judicial system being white is an automatic liability and not being white is an automatic asset. No argument on the planet will ever convince me that that's right. Also there's the problem that hate crime laws can only benefit very specific victims of crimes while leaving other victims of similar assaults shit out of luck. I remember back in '99 after the columbine attack the media told everyone that the murderers wore trench coats (complete bullshit) and no one questioned it. They did however decide it was necessary to attack every person in a trench coat on sight, including myself. Those frequent beatings were not only incapable of going to court under classification of a hate crime, but were also entirely ignored by every pig who witnessed the incidents (ignored, but they still sat in their cop cars and watched). I feel %100 that klan marches and cross burnings etc. should be jailable offenses, but to place laws that can wrongfully charge some while ignoring justice for others who are victims of a similar nature will always sit very uneasy with me. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 8:01pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I wasn't going to post on this thread anymore, but ........your logic is flawed simply by the fact that Canadian prisons are full of a heavily disproportionate number of First Nations who would strongly dis-agree with your statement above. ..also, JESUS CHRIST ANDREW!!!!..... a human is a human. There is not different levels of evolution. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:51pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | obviously you haven't watched as much heroes as I have Andrew... The whole first season in 2 days. That's like, over 20 hours. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:22pm Edited: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:22pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | TC, maybe the numbers are off because the courts choose to go easy on them, thereby encouraging criminal activity through little fear of consequence. I was drinking with a native friend a few years back (actually it was my dads friend) and he told me that his son was in the middle of a 6 year sentence for murder 2. Not only was the victim the son of the chief of police, but the attack was done with a 2x4 to the back of the head. No hope for claiming self defense. If it was a white guy who was the murderer I really doubt that he'd get any less than a 25 year term in prison. Why in the FUCK should the color of a persons skin be a factor during sentencing? Maybe a 6 year slap on the wrist helps you sleep at night with a PC grin on your face, but think about the friends and family of the victim. Losing a loved one is bad enough, but pulling this michael moore type attitude, turning what should be justice into a game, is just adding insult to injury to people who did nothing to deserve it. The decision to make lesser punishments for people of color implies that they are racially prone to criminal activity, or maybe just too fucking stupid to know right from wrong and that is what's racist. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:35am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Why do you think a white guy would've gotten 25? Quite frankly, it's laughable to think the guy got a reduced sentence because he was a minority, and the Judge was afraid of being perceived as a racist. My point is only that I TOTALLY dis-agree that minorities are treated less severely when it comes to criminal punishment, and my evidence is the proportional misrepresentation in the prison system. Indians are about 1/30 in our country, yet many Canadian prison populations are 50% native. Micheal Moore is a fag. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 1:05am | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | O.K., about 5 years ago I had to go to court to defend myself after being arrested at the scene of someone else's crime. My statements about canadas judicial system are not assumptions. When I was talking to my court appointed attorney she asked me a list of questions to try and find any angles that could be used in my favor at the hearing. The first on the the list was "are you in any way part of a minority group?". Same as this one month I had to be on welfare. Same as the couple times I applied for U.I. Many times I've read in the times colonist that the government was offering high paying jobs to potential applicants provided that they were not white. These are facts. Not opinions I came to in an attempt to be P.I. The canadian government forces anti-white policies on the population. I'm so sick and tired of people insisting that white=easy life and minority= so hard done by and being so forceful with their stupid opinions (in case you wonder TC, this isn't aimed at you) and fucking up the country we live in. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 3:16am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | You've had a tough time. Sorry to hear that. The only prejudice I've been victim to is not getting jobs because I wasn't a hot chick. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 3:37am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I didn't realize that the Canadian government had an affirmative action policy. .....what's P.I. ? - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 3:39am Edited: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 4:28am | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | Politically Incorrect. Speaking of trying to get jobs it also sucks how openly employers are allowed to tell you they want you, but not if you have long hair and not tits. Imagine them trying to tell a female she couldn't have short hair. Sexist bastards. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 4:33am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Why am I still up? Oh yeah, the domestic dispute going on outside on my street. I just heard one guy call another guy a "punkasslittlebitch", how original. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 4:45am | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | .................and I'm sill up because it's not my bedtime until 6:00. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 5:18am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | lol trevor everyone has a different opinions. All i know is if you look at all of the great inventors and revolutionary thinkers, a lot of them were european. french, british, french, italian, spanish, jewish(einstine duh), german. Well i cant say all because im not that educated but look at a lot of the major ones, pre 1900. It's not even a race thing either. You jumped on that as if it was. It's just where it happened, and that guy who wrote guns, germs, and steel seemed to think that it had to do with geographical resources. Industrial, agricultural, etc. After years of research, he seemed to think that as opposed to the hunter gathering civilizations, the ones with the availible crops to farm, and meat to eat, had a better chance at evolving (mentally) in to the next step. If you had farmers tending to the crops it would free the would be "every man hunter" to study the earth, and help the civilization with their brains instead of their hands. Everyone works together to make something big. The hunter gathering civilizations, or tribes etc, still have that team effort, and the exact same abilities (human is a human), they simply had not the resources to go to that level, or "area" to not be racist. This in my oppinion, led to the evolution of the tools that they used in their hunter gathering. Im not going to say it but notice how black guys kick ass at sports? Like, almost a monopoly? Get paid millions of dollars a year. That doesn't say lesser being to me, that says superior, but in its own and different way. That's why im not into the whole "we're all created equal" because there are many different playing feilds..then again..maybe there is something to that..in the big picture RACIST!!! RACIST!!! RACIST!!! . lol - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 9:15pm Edited: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 9:38pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | ...........but we are all created equal. One race is not more evolved than another. Skimming through your last post tells me u understand that though. A human is a human, any human is a product of their environment. Try saying , more technologically advanced, instead of evolved. That may sound a petty argument, but trust me, if you call a person less evolved they might beat you. - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 5:04am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I don't think that you are racist Andrewlol. I just think you are young, and mildly retarded. Listen to my wisdom and you will be just fine. - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 5:18am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | lol - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 5:19am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | "That may sound a petty argument, but trust me, if you call a person less evolved they might beat you." LOL im not even going to point out the irony in that line :P - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:32am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | and btw buddy that is quite the heartless thing to say . Retarded? THAT WORD REPRESENTS A STRONGLY INSENSITIVE TONE TOWARDS PEOPLES LIVING WITH A DISIBILITY IN CANADA. lol - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:26pm Edited: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:27pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I did all that on purpose, silly boy. - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 4:46pm | ||
| Suffuckation User Info... | Wrust and Crackdust both don't sound good. Is that off topic? - Mon, 24 Dec 2007 1:26pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | oh man, I'm gonna have to make some time to read through all this. Most times when I see this kind of stuff on LiveVic I think to myself that you don't have real racists who'll engage in arguments with you so you start accusing one another so you can get it out of your system. It seems like most of you are on the same side pecking at each other. And Doomhammer, I'd like to introduce you to a couple of real metalheads one day. - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:16pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | sati, awsome. - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:23pm Edited: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:23pm | ||
| douche baggot User Info... | holy stupid fucking shit. the only racist that deserves die first is you stupid white bitches. how bout we kill 95% of you white cocksuckers, then we will talk about genocidal racist fuckers on the other side of the fucking world 70 year later...why the fuck are you on this land? - Fri, 28 Dec 2007 8:18pm | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | fuck genocide what we need is TOTALICIDE!!! - Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:17am | ||
| Martial Darwinism User Info... |  Funk, classical, R&B, country...you'll find just as many "racists" there as in metal.But metalheads speak their minds easier I think. They don't care as much about how they come across to the public. After all, when you're in a metal band, it's not gonna hurt your career anyway. The guy who got offended after the nazi imagery comment is a douuchebag. YES NAZI IMAGERY IS COOL. It is bold and powerful and appeals to people. Thats why you see it in slightly different forms in all kinds of government icons and propaganda. Going back to the Romans and before. What happened to your family is sad, but many of us have families that WW2 negatively affected in many ways. But because you're a jew you think it's right to tell off someone who appreciates historical imagery in a totally non-political way. In fact, it's more like "YOU CAN'T FUCKING THINK THAT, DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE JEWS? I'M OFFENDED BUDDY". And on and on. The world is never going to get over it if people keep bringing it up. This thread was embarrassing anyway so it doesn't matter. A black band called CrackDust, so what? Were there no white bands before them named after stuff referring to drugs? Gimme a break. There are more white band names based on tyranny, oppression and annihilation anyway. No one cares to point out that side of the irony. - Sat, 29 Dec 2007 3:57pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | When you realize how RETARDED you are,do you cry? - Sat, 29 Dec 2007 5:43pm | ||
| Martial Darwinism User Info... | Who the hell are you? - Sat, 29 Dec 2007 8:17pm | ||
| Morgoth User Info... | I agree that their is nothing wrong with Nazi imagery. I mean come on, i'm sure no one would have a problem with Christian imagery. Yet what about the Inquisition? Millions of people were tortured, burned or immolated. Yet when something our society tries to ignore comes up, it seems people will not even appreciate the beauty or power associated with it but rather demonize these qualities. Of course the Holocaust was horrible and the NS party extreme but this doesn't mean that a band cannot use these images. People are captivated by darkness and horror which is what these capture, why wouldn't a band use them (especially a metal band)? Np: Graveland - Sons Of Fire And Steel - Sat, 29 Dec 2007 9:17pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | yeah anyways I dig that band. - Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:49pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | Those images I find are pretty tasteless in metal, and do nothing but promote a shock appeal rather than concentrating on saying anything new or interesting. Nazi uniforms are just about as cool as all the lame gore covers and pictures of satan. Sure theyre kinda humourous but no one is re-inventing the wheel. In fact I think nazi imagery is much MUCH lamer. And I don't know saying: "They don't care as much about how they come across to the public. After all, when you're in a metal band, it's not gonna hurt your career anyway." Is a little skewed. I'd hope people would want to create a musical tolerance for their genre and such, and steer clear of obviously dated ideas. - Sun, 30 Dec 2007 1:53am Edited: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 2:12am | ||
| Morgoth User Info... | But that's not what I mean. Everyone tends to associate every band, lyric and peice of artwork to have a deep meaning that relates to daily life. For example art historians tend to say that the painting, "Primavera" portrays the struggle of man to become gods etc. Or perhaps that Othello by Shakespeare tends to show the strength of women. However few people ever say that it simply was a well crafted story, it was beautiful or it conjured images. Perhaps the reason why these things are interesting is because of these things, not because they can relate to us. Take the album, "Panzer Division" by Marduk for example. Most people have said that it portrays nazi sympathies or National Socialist ideologies. Yet even the band has said they were simply fascinated by the attire, atmosphere and horror of the Third Reich. Sure these images are shocking but than again they are supposed to be. So is horror movies or the occult. This is because they are unexplainable. Everything about the Nazis was mysterious and as most of us know, people are fascinated by the unknown. Why do you think that books about the Nazis sell so well or that Mein Kampf is a huge seller? Also, I don't think Satanism in metal was ever supposed to be humorous. Bands like Mercyful Fate or Celtic Frost painted it as being interesting and terrifying. Perhaps bands like Cannibal Corpse or Nargaroth have made it into comedy but the bands that did it well, made it something that is worthy of study. I don't understand either how bands talking about Nazis is not new. There are only a few metal bands that talk of this. Compared to bands like Inquisition that talk of Satanism, these themes are obscure and much more fresh. - Sun, 30 Dec 2007 4:57pm | ||
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| Morgoth User Info... | Your opinion is so valuable in this thread. Look. Maybe you should atleast listen to some bands that use this imagery before saying such things. - Sun, 30 Dec 2007 6:24pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Urinal pucks. - Sun, 30 Dec 2007 6:38pm Edited: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 7:34pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | Trevor if there were any real nazis, im sure these guys would help u beat them up. - Sun, 30 Dec 2007 9:38pm Edited: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 9:46pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | They're only unknown and unexplainable because we have been conditioned to believe that they are. Nazism IS explainable through the social climate of the era and through group psychology. Ever heard of the Stanford prison experiment? And no I don't think Satanism is MEANT to be humorous, but I just don't take it serious whatsoever. Sure it evokes some "rebellious" imagery, but I just kind of got over the whole thing. - Mon, 31 Dec 2007 1:19am | ||
| Akylore User Info... | Wow. I read maybe 1/10th of these posts, funny how the topic of racism always seems to prolong mara-threads.... What I find more funny though is how much people get worked up about bullshit over bands like ARGHOSLENT or genres like NSBM (which is theologically a fucking joke anyways.) I think the misogynist views of most contemporary rap bugs me more in all honesty - and that's commercial! As for the location of Africa harboring some metal...ironic? If anything I'd expect very violent music to come out of that continent, they obviously live under much more savage conditions than some white people over here that spend their time downloading mp3s off fucking limewire or soulseek. Something tells me some people spend too much time on the computer methinks... Come to think of it, my favorite classical composer Malcolm Forsyth emigrated to Canada from South Africa and I still have as of yet to hear some of the most violent, dissonant classical music ever. Incorporating Zulu-wardance rhythms with western european war marches...oooohh....sooooo goood..... I'm going to go listen to SUFFOCATION, BLASPHEMY, EXCITER and HIRAX now..... - Sat, 12 Jan 2008 3:14pm | ||
| Morgoth User Info... | Look, if you don't understand why World War II and Nazism is interesting or mysterious than I can't say anything more to change your mind. However, look at the hundreds of bestselling movies, books, video games and music about World War II and the Nazis. Huge numbers of people don't just indulge in these because they are deranged, they do so because they are fascinated with those topics and the horrors of them. - Sun, 13 Jan 2008 1:10am | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | I never said anyone was deranged. Society skews the perception of most to alter their habits of media consumption. That's all. - Sun, 13 Jan 2008 3:23am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "they obviously live under much more savage conditions" - Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:29am | ||
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