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the state of all ages venues in victoria
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| Tyler User Info... |  Orange Hall: Fri. May 19th 2006 - meat circus Productions presents: WAYNE POWERMAN, The Pickles, artio, Mind Between the Lines, the electric heat Sunset Room: Fri. January 26th 2007 - V.S.F presents: L.I.D., The Sweathogz, RottenFiends, WAYNE POWERMAN, Cyborg Justice, Mugshot Garry Oak: Sat. April 28th 2007 - Ex-Lax Records and V.P.P. + V.S.F present: The Shivs, RottenFiends, The Hycoprits, Cyborg Justice, Negative Youth, The Laxitaves, Mind Between the Lines, THRASHMADONNA It is a difficult situation to point fingers since certain genres of music naturally attract certain crowds of people. But it's also true that it is becoming increasingly more difficult to host all ages shows in Victoria. It is already difficult to break even, unless the shows involve the "popular" bands of Victoria. Now the accessible venues from downtown/surrounding areas are dwindling. I just want to open this whole thing to discussion. What do we do about this? - Tue, 1 May 2007 10:30am | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | there is a bunch of stuff in common with the shows that got these place shut down.... all are all ages punk shows with bands that drink and promote drinking. All have a lot of bands on the bills. all were put on by younger guys. none had any kind of adaquate securrity, having one person to ask at the door, and one person to tell people not to drink *(esspecailly when their an underage kid them selves, and are not willing to do any thing to enforce shit, and even more when they are drinking themselves) dose not count as propper securrity. I don't think any one needs to rent securrity, but get 10 people you know that are bigger and would help you out, esspecailly if they would not already be going to the show... also you forgot one show, little fernwood (DIY and 6 other bands) and there is also the same crowd, with the same issues at the orange hall show that got it shut down. also ZI was told by some one yesterday, they had heard big fernwood is not going to do shows any more. also the bigger problem is those idiots that don't even pay to see the show, or buy merch. The ones who have money to get in but instead they sneek in, or just sit in front of the venue drinking and picking fights. Their not punks, punkls support their scene, even if they don't always get a long. shit I remeber many times when I was 16 I lived in a squat, I panhandled, I drank (a lot) but I still dished out moneys for shows, and I just panned longer before, or would ask people at the show (it aint hard to get $5 if you are only asking for a buck to get in), either way I payed and whent in to the all ages shows, and I was a drunk punk... So theses fucks however don't bother they sneek into all ages shows, they rip off promoters and bands alike, they cause problems, fuck stuff up, pick fights, contribute fuck all. I wish they just would not show up at all. when I put on that show at the phillipino centre, they were there sitting right out back drinking. there was a parkade across the street that would have been perfect for drinking in, and I wouldn't have cared, but instead they sat right by the door to the kitchen, and staff from the centre were inside cooking for the mornings meals. I tryed to get them to move, even got scott from iskra and chuck to try andf get them to leave. istead they called me a facist and tried to pick a fight with me, making iot out that I was soposedly trying to stop em from drinking cause I don't drink... not that they may fuck up the venue... even when the pigs were across the street they would not leave (cops sat across the street in a car watching the venue) - Tue, 1 May 2007 11:03am Edited: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:16am | ||
| Special Agent Jackass User Info... | I think that is sort of an over-simplification. There are so many factors to why venues shut down. Often kids drinking is one of them, but there are also residential by-laws, noise complaints, the general risk of letting a bunch of kids run wild inside places of business and/or educational facilities for little to no benefit to them. There really aren't many good spots for shows. This doesn't apply just for all-agers, but for any people that like to go to a show that aren't in the confines of a bar. I'll always try to keep one foot in the all-ages arena when doing shows, it's a high risk way to go, but it's worth it for so many other reasons. House shows will never go anywhere as long as there are houses. As long as you take precautionary measures and know your crowd they'll always be the best venues. - Tue, 1 May 2007 11:17am | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Just as a disclaimer, there were several people making a legitimate effort at that Garry Oak Room show to try to get people to stop drinking, and the promoter was both sober and being way more responsible about things than I would have admittedly expected. I realize we're going to get another round of viscious blame for ruining the all-ages scene over this, but despite mistakes that some of the people my band plays with have made in the past I genuinely do feel like we've tried to atone for our mistakes and learn from them, yet even at a show like that previous one which in my opinion was relatively incident-free compared to several shows I've been to in the past (punk or otherwise) there's really only so much we can do. Also keep in mind that another all-ager occured the night before ours at the Garry Oak which apparently had several problems as well and also contributed to its closing. - Tue, 1 May 2007 12:29pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Hold shows that are "invite only". Keep it more secret, from the stupid "BREAK SHIT" false punks. - Tue, 1 May 2007 12:58pm | ||
| moron User Info... | That's Fairfield for you, people move in across from a school and community center and then complain when there is the occasional bit of noise. Which is pretty dumb ass considering the location - well used traffic intersection, convenience store, etc. Hopefully they also complain when the Church wakes everyone up on Sunday morning and not just when kids are letting off some steam on a weekend. Hopefully everyone involved remembers this when they be old farts and don't do the same shit to kids then. Cheers - Tue, 1 May 2007 1:28pm | ||
| XY-LAWLx User Info... |  Hey, what about the jerking chicken place, didn‘t you guys get that place shut down too? Don‘t sell yourselves short now…….. Hehehe! - Tue, 1 May 2007 1:54pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | holding secret shows is elite crap, and will guarantee your scene will not grow worth shit, this is also my problem I have always had with house shows, a lot of first timer are afraid to go to some ones house for a show... As well houses are not suitable for a lot of bands, bands that have large draws, you can not sell advance tix to a house show, and often if you poster for the show, you will have the cops show up, so no advertising to a house show, which means raising money is harder. However I admit there is some great aspects to house shows too... and Bryan I know that cordel was sober, I am glad, I only mentioned that cause in the other venue closing shows, most of the times the promoters were not sober. The problem is also not that simple, as SAJ said... and the bands playing makes a diff, but not cause of their antics, more cause of the crowds, if you have drunk punk bands, expect a drinking crowd, if you have bands that say fuck you to every one, expect that from your crowd, so now you have a belligerent crowd of drunks set on drinking, that are not going to listen, more bands means more people... having more than 4-5 bands means you need way more security, then your security needs to be able to remove people, either by force if needed, or by calling cops, neither are things I would want to see, and calling the cops to your venue is as likely to get your show shut down as any thing, never mind that cops are pigs. But even with out all that, there are those kids that show up to drink at any show, with no intention of paying and no respect for the venue, promoter, bands or other people that are there to see the bands. thats a whole different issue, and pretty much every time I have had problems at my shows it is been involving those kids, their the ones who attacked me (2 different shows), lipped me off for asking them to drink across the street instead of in front of the doors, and picked fights at shows. I have had one problem with a few people once that were there for the show but had the attitude that "it is just a shitty punk show who cares" (exact words). but that was only once. we all learn from our mistakes. I fucked up once, way back, much of it was not things I did (the guy next door called the cops to get the venue shut down and claimed they were selling booze to under age kids, the venue made me start an hr after scheduled, the cops made us shut down at midnight, the show was scheduled to go till 1am, lots of people not showed up, about twice what I expected). and I have made other mistakes, I have learned. so we can look at what other successful all ages promoters have done, and whats worked for them... The best example of great successes for AA shows is the VIHC scene, they do a lot. they are able to put 6 bands on a show, over sell a venue, and still do well. But they have low tolerance for booze, and no tolerance for drinking outside the venues, the bands don't promote drinking, and the people in all the bands do a lot of the "policing" as well as making sure to have some people there to help. Another thing that I find works is to have less bands. If you have 3 bands you are looking at a 3 hr show (hal hr sets, 15m set up, and starts late) if you have a 7 band show you will expect 6hrs.... thats 3 more hrs for people to get drunk, 3 more hrs for problems, and becomes more tiring on the security... also more people turn out. it is very possible to police a 3 hr show, usually only a few things may happen every hr, so a couple problems occur, minor ones and are dealt with, but the longer it goes on the worse it gets, so by hr 5.... I would also suggest having 3 security people for every band, or estimate 3 people to help for every hr. This is of course not always possible, but a good guideline I think. The people doing security should not be marked (marked security are targets), and should be capable of dealing with people physically, and able to talk to them. Most people will listen if you listen, even drunks. I don't tell people you can not drink here, I say if you drink here the show will probably get shut down and the headliner won't get to play. This usually seams to work on every one who is paying to see the bands, they realize it, and usually move on, also I try and give an option like "there is a nice park over there off the property though..." or stuff like that. Personally I wish people would just drink at home before or after, and for the kids who can't drink at home (don't have one or live with parents) at a friends place or park before or after, but not during the show. Infact I kind of would prefer people drink after so the space can be sober, thus kid friendly, family friendly, and I feel I should not have to be forced to be around drunks to see a band I want to see. either way 90% off the kids who go to shows are not the problem, their good kids there to see bands and have a good time. the other ten percent fuck it up for all of us, mostly their there to drink, or to look cool, or cause they got some shit to prove. I wish they would just stay home (or some where else). - Tue, 1 May 2007 2:04pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | "hey, what about the jerking chicken place, didn‘t you guys get that place shut down too? Don‘t sell yourselves short now……" the jerk house is the same sht, it is one person who got it closed, for some grafiti on a bathroom wall, which is idiotic at best... and we are pretty sure now that we know who it was, a kid named tom from vancouver, who shows up to drink, dose not pay to get in, and was the same ass that attacked me at that show. After we removed the door (only one band left) tom got in unnoticed some how, and was seen coming out of the bathroom. One fucking idiot shut that down. - Tue, 1 May 2007 2:09pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | fuck - Tue, 1 May 2007 2:12pm | ||
| Special Agent Jackass User Info... | "holding secret shows is elite crap, and will guarantee your scene will not grow worth shit" You seem to define a "scene" as more like a cult like conversion. Not everybody promotes music to further their political ideologies and turn a gig into a tornado of PC pamphlets. It's a facet, a small peripheral part of the scene as a whole. When money needs to be made you want lot's of people to show up, so you can pay the rentals, make it worth the band's time, etc. If you want to have a good time and see some great bands and take away the confines of band / attendee seperation - private or "house shows" are a great way to expose people to new music. It's not elitist if your intentions are for people to have a good time and you're in it for the music. I've been to dozens of great shows in some amazing places from houses, to studios to communes around BC in the past few years that are amazing with great people and awesome atmosphere. Much more charm then the typical gymnasium or bar. I think it's a much more grassroots way to go then being confined to the countless rules renting a place has. - Tue, 1 May 2007 6:06pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | there is a big diff between house shows, and secret shows... I think house shows can be great, I prefer to see both house shows and hall shows, both have advantages and disadvantages, however, secret shows are bullshit. - Tue, 1 May 2007 7:55pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | All i have to say is this punk scene has a lot of potential and it's very clear what you're trying to do by listing all the bands and shows like that. - Wed, 2 May 2007 1:39am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | . - Wed, 2 May 2007 1:43am Edited: Wed, 2 May 2007 1:44am | ||
| stew User Info... | by potential you mean shutting down more venues? - Wed, 2 May 2007 3:44am | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | NNB is correct in that Brian and the rest of the VIHC have a great track record because they respect their venue's and realize that they are booking a Community Center or school and therefore must ensure that liquor is not on the premisis. I promoted all ages shows regularly for about 5 years averaging at least one a month. I never lost a venue, never lost a dammage deposit and along with the work of a few other people GOT BACK several venues that had previously said they would not do all ages shows ever again (it should be noted here that Brian has also done this with James Bay as before he started doing shows they were cold to the idea of allowing concerts). I don't care how sober a promoter was if they allow rampant drinking, burning, don't have security or even a door person, or any of the other infractions listed above they're not doing their job and frankly are at fault. That said I kinda feel for them as it sounds like they had good intentions but its all negated with poor execution. Putting on a show isn't rocket science but it does invovle planning and forthought. You (as a collective) have lost most of the AA venues in the city for shows because you refuse to deal with the simplest of rules which should be self imposed for your own benifit, if your going to drink just do it a couple blocks from the venue and have the self respect to not ruin things for your own friends and fellow music lovers. - Wed, 2 May 2007 9:59am | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Why is it always the punk shows that have this throwing bottles, fights and vandalism? Like I guess that just the whole idea of punk. But (not trying to start shit) it seems like it's almost always the punk shows, actually thats the only one i've heard this for. Does the same promoter run all the punk shows or something? I think if we want an All ages scene we better find out what is causing it to disappear. - Wed, 2 May 2007 12:13pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | Scott, We've made it clear all around this board that The promoter, and about 4 or 5 other people were going around telling people to stop drinking...continuously... - Wed, 2 May 2007 8:42pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | I'm curious - was it the same shitty kids at Garry Oak that I've been dealing with for the past four years, or entirely new shitty kids? Or is it just a rotating crew of shitty kids who take shifts going out of their way to hang around outside shows despite clearly having no interest in the music or hanging out with anyone actually at the show? I sort of envision a scenario like what you see in the old cartoon of Sam Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf punching in at the beginning and punching out at the end of the day. - Wed, 2 May 2007 9:36pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | pretty much.. - Wed, 2 May 2007 9:42pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | fucking rights brian, thats gotta be one of the funniest things I have ever heard. it seams some are the same ones, some come into and leave town regularilly, and some are knew, younger kids... - Wed, 2 May 2007 10:17pm | ||
| Bryn User Info... | the life cycle of shitty kids seems to be fuck up all-ages shows until they are old enough to drink and/or flunk out of high school. then they cause trouble at bar shows for a couple of years until they either end up hooked on drugs or get cleaned up from drugs and lose interest in music either way. But really trouble at shows is usually due to promoters making stupid bonehead mistakes like not having security people & not having a door person throughout the night. A lot of the time inexperienced promoter tries to be everybody's buddy and lets a lot of behaviour go that should be stopped. Like if people are drinking, or fooling around in ways that could cause damage to the venue, the promoter has to not be afraid to lose face with the kids and make sure that behaviour stops. A lot of younger people are not really assertive enough to step up to the plate when a problem arises. That is really where you see a lot of trouble at shows put on by teenagers. And yeah, if you are putting on a show of bands that ummmm..."promote drinking" you are going to have to be really extra agressive about discouraging anti-social behaviour in & around the venue! - Fri, 4 May 2007 12:37am | ||
| tyler User Info... |  uhh i know it seems like i dont care about loosing venue but i do its not awesome...my band played at all 4 shows that were mentioned, were not trying to ruin venues, we just want people to hear our tunes and rock to them little fernwood first show ever WHAT - Fri, 4 May 2007 9:03am | ||
| tyler User Info... | sorry for the poor spelling - Fri, 4 May 2007 9:03am | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | actually Bryn, from my expience, I have found most the kids ruining all ages venues are the drunk punks that hitch from town to town, and most of them, esspecaillt the ones that cause the most problems are over 19. I hate to make those kinds of generalizations, but thats what I have seen. I beleive it was Tom who grafitied the Jerk House bathroom, he's about 21ish? He also was the one who attacke me at that same show. Peter is 26 I beleive, he attacked hari, at the imperial leather show, and later that night after we had thrown him out for atrtacking hari, he returned and attacked me till I slammed him into a wall. Also Smelly Kelly was the one who was threatening me at the Bayhananihan (or however you spell it) show, he is about 23.... The guy who picked the fight at the jerk house show the time it was closed down last year was lucus, he is about 28... The person who actually through the bottle through the window at the James Bay centre way back a few years ago (no it was not andrew cabers R.I.P., even though he took the blame and was written up as idiot of the month) is also over 19, and she has caused problems at other shows too. When I lived in edmonton the people causeing problems at the shows there were usually over 18 (drinking age there) too. Hell I even knew of one show where some one came out and started attcking my freind Laurie, and his girlfriend lauren with a peice of rebar... That person who attacked them was also over 18. So it is not that young kids grow out of it, cause it seams to me to be mainly bar ages idiots causing the problems, many of which can't get into bars that host shows because they have been banned... Bars have the securrity to deal with them as well, we often don't, cause we can not afford to pay securrity... However I do agree that a lot of the problems come from inexpierienced promoters too. - Fri, 4 May 2007 11:48am | ||
| Bryn User Info... | haha I guess I assumed the shitty kids were locals because they fuck up all our local shows... and they were kids because they act like spoiled brats! and I can see where teenaged kids would be intimidated to tell older dudes to act right at a show... BUT I think it's a given that these guys might show up and cause trouble, so why are promoters not asking in advance for help to deal with the shitty kids? - Sat, 5 May 2007 12:30pm Edited: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:35pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | well actually I remeber a while back, on some thread, after some problems, i think after the sunset room was closed down, some of the younger promoters actually did ask for some help with shows from adults. I don't think any one replied... Also I would guess many of them don't know any one to ask, most the people they know are in their age group... just my guesses. - Sat, 5 May 2007 5:25pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | For the record the kids in MBL are good dudes and I love them. The age thing is about correct. The worst people I've dealt with at shows - and I'm talking people who get violent and try to fight the promoter (or even band members standing by the door!) - are generally above legal drinking age. Good example is the Charles Manson doppelganger who eventually got pummelled by Jay Brown. On separate occasions the guy tried to start a fight with me, he tried to rip electrical panels out of the walls of the JBCC and the Big Fernwood, and finally did something that someone bigger and tougher than him wouldn't put up with. The kids who I've had try to sneak in simply have no respect for DIY punk and look down on it with contempt. I've sat at the door dozens of times when kids with wallets full of money gripe and complain about the $8 price (to pay bands' ferry costs no less) and say while I'm sitting in front of them "I'm not paying to go see a show in THERE". Worse yet are kids who believe they have a unique position of ideological righteousness that sets them apart from everyone else, thus "it's a punk show, why should I have to pay". 5 minutes later they're trying to pry open the back window or door! ha ha... - Sat, 5 May 2007 6:02pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | The main issue is security, or lack of. Try useing props, such as a camera and a cell phone. Take their pictures with phone in hand threatining to call the police. - Sat, 5 May 2007 7:37pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | I want to thank everybody who's actually made some effort to provide constructive comments rather than just yelling at us for ruining venues... it's not like we don't feel bad that our shows are having this effect, and it's not like we don't care about being able to put on better ones in the future (which some people who've commented on this forum seem not to understand). I sort of feel that it would help our scene if we got a more diverse range of bands to play shows with the usual ones, or in other words put on shows that can't necessarily be seen as nothing more than a "punk rock show". Part of this problem is definitely a false notion that because we're putting on "punk" shows it's okay to come to them and get wasted, since punks are supposed to disregard rules or whatever. Future shows put on by anyone involved in our "scene" will definitely be a lot more organized and hopefully a lot more under control, we're no more enthused about the idea of losing more venues than everyone else. - Sat, 5 May 2007 8:16pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | So Tyler..What are you going to do about this then? Or.."we" ? lol. - Mon, 7 May 2007 1:21am | ||
| Tyler User Info... | I don't know. I made this post to bring what was happening to everyone's attention because friends of mine who are promoters were suprised when they heard about it, a lot later. Punk shows attract kids with a confused interpretation of punk and it's hard to deal with. The shows are being put on by people who are keeping the scene alive and people who have good intentions. So many punk bands have started in the last couple years and it's awesome. I just want the shows to keep happening without the venues disappearing. I'm glad the Sunset Room is still available, it is probably my favourite all ages venue. I agree with Bryan's comments and Brian's comments and Bryn's comments. - Mon, 7 May 2007 5:57am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | Oh..Sorry then, I was under some impression that you had something in mind. I see. - Mon, 7 May 2007 4:02pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | This is pretty much just a cycle that's been happening in this city for almost 2 decades. The city has lost all age venues numerous times in the past, due to the poor judgement of atendees and lack of security to deal with issues that get the venues closed down (underage drinking, fights, graffitti etc). Eventually things will calm down again, but I personally wouldn't expect it to happen anytime soon. - Mon, 7 May 2007 4:23pm | ||
| bsxjen User Info... | Maybe it's time the "older" punks stepped up and helped out the kids a bit more. If you see shit happening that's threatening to the venue, then say or do something. There's plenty of us who go to these shows. We're there anyways, why not do something positive with our time instead of standing around feeling old. I love that these kids put on shows no matter how unorganized and chaotic they end up. How are they supposed to learn if we don't help them out. - Sat, 12 May 2007 11:39am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I tend to avoid all agers, but I would definately step up if needed. - Sat, 12 May 2007 11:46am | ||
| Meantime Mike User Info... | hehe the 'older punks' have helped close down their fair share of venues in the past too ;) O.A.P. for instance.. but then the metallers closed down Sancha hall , mainly from all the fights between Sidney kids and everyone.. - Sat, 12 May 2007 11:51am | ||
| Bryn User Info... | "old punk" bsxjen makes a good point... not very many of us are willing to give up some of our time from being all cool and old school to actually help out at a show. - Sat, 12 May 2007 12:34pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | We don't have those types of problems in Vancouver. I've only ever gone to cool all ages shows though, put on by cool people, so I may have missed something, but I've always got the sense that whether the bands or their friends are directly involved or not, they're looking out and would step up and make sure no one messes things up. Hell, I remember kids spilling out of a sweltering hot h/c show in a residential neighbourhood once, WHISPERING between bands so they wouldn't get shut down. Kids! I was never so fucking proud. I went to an a/a show in Calgary last year where they always had trouble and had to hire tons of b.s. outside security and thinking how royally fucked up that was. Could you imagine? I always do my part, letting the door people or promoter know early on if someone's too wasted, or getting ready to fight or if someone's hurt. I take it as a personal insult if people mess with the promoter/bands/venue's work. Always have. Its like that with my favorite bars too. Cops know they're just not needed there. Come to think of it I just talked to one of the many guys out here with "jay brown syndrome" who just can't stay put if people are getting out of hand. Sadly, he doesn't come out to shows much anymore because of the hassles. You need more natural leaders (you kno what I mean) setting the tone for how its gotta be. I know you've got some, so just make sure to invite them out. This thread's an awesome start. - Sat, 12 May 2007 12:58pm Edited: Sat, 12 May 2007 1:04pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Although I do agree with Jen, to an extent. It's the promoters responsibility to have adequate security. It's the youth that are affected by this more than us old farts, so it's the youth that need to police themselves, similar to Anonymous' experiences. If kids want shows, the kids need to staep up to the plate. If/when I go to a show, I go to enjoy myself not act as security. - Sat, 12 May 2007 1:15pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | Kids need to be shown how its done first, and they need to be shown how to become leaders within their own scene. The reason our shows do so well is because people who are more experienced (usually older & Beefier!) either step in when its necessary or just yell out to one of the younger guys who they know has the goods that its his or her turn to take a shot at handling things themselves. Mostly we all just want fun shows, and we already know what a fun show looks like. Kids new to the music scene often don't. Its up to us to show them that fuckups fighting & starting shit isn't it. Here, I think they feel the glare of being ostricized and it doesn't feel so good, so they don't come back. We had a huge straight-edge thing going for a while that kept the all-ages scene up & moving a few years ago. I think whether people are/were sober or not, they remember and treasure those times and what it felt like to be going off about straight up music. I do. Kids also seem anxious to garner the same kind of respect the older people have, and respect FROM the older crowd for taking over responsibility for things. Role models? - Sat, 12 May 2007 3:02pm Edited: Sat, 12 May 2007 3:04pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | "If/when I go to a show, I go to enjoy myself not act as security." I disagree... I can go to a show and do security and have a good time, if every one pitches in and helps then it is not that big of a job. People like Austin from No Holding Back, or Scott from iskra have come to my shows or even played at them, and when shit whent down, they helped out, even thought they were not there as securrity, and it made it easier on every one, in turn I remember going to a rebel spell show in vancouver, where kids that were dressed as skins, who were picking fights with the non whites in the crowd started to form a line (like a wall of death) and ram the pit from behind puishing kids into the band, and I was one of the people that helped keep the kids from ramming the band. I did it to make the show better, I was not securrity... I think it is every ones resposibillity to play that role when needed. - Sat, 12 May 2007 3:41pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | On the all ages thing; I tend to agree with the thought that boys and younguns will be boys and younguns. 5 years from now, they will be bitch-slapping the young punks on this board as having no fuckin' respect for the venue or the music. They piss me off too, but I now know what my dad must have been feeling about 20 years ago... . By the way, he will hate me for saying it publicly, and I'm positive he was a fucking rouser in his day, but if anyone needs an example of the best kind of role-model in Victoria look no further than Tony Goluza! . - Sat, 12 May 2007 4:10pm Edited: Sat, 12 May 2007 4:23pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | I've done security at gigs in the past both at our own house as well as a couple for Brainless back in the late 80's early 90's. As for being an example, other than being an asshole here, I'm a pretty 'normal' guy. Can only remember one gig that I've ever done anything stupid at, and that's why I haven't had a drink in years. So the kids won't see me out drinking, fighting and acting like a fool at shows. If that's not setting an example, I don't know what is. - Sat, 12 May 2007 5:12pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | Hired security is expensive...maybe some sort of cheap local security (for the price of going out for something to eat and a beer after the show or something?) put together by some of you guys? - Sat, 12 May 2007 5:19pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Tony Goluza is my hero. In other news, stop shutting down venues, it's the suck >: [. Play more music, that's the rock. I have nothing constructive to say. - Tue, 15 May 2007 12:21am | ||
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