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Logans Pub cutting off bands to close at 1:00am
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| Jaron Evil User Info... | Went to the Fauna, Sistrenatus, Black Lotus, Griefer, Night Mother show last night at Logans, and was really pissed off that they cut the headliners show so they could close at 1:00. Fauna was half the reason I paid to get in. If I was sure that the bands weren't getting paid by what the door brings in, I'd have asked for half my money back. The band came all the way from Washington, now I doubt they'll ever come back. If this happens at the Toxic Holocaust show, I am going to be really choked! This isn't the first time Logans has done this either. Any thoughts? - - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:12pm Edited: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:14pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Closing at 1am?!? Sounds like Logan's neighbours have been complaining again, I don't get the logic over that myself. Say, has anyone spoken to Logan's as to why they have to close at 1am?!? - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:34pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Always stop bands at 1, have for years. Bylaw. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:59pm | ||
| alcoholly User Info... | Logan's always closes at 1:00, like he said. Whoever's show it was should have known that and monitored each band's time accordingly. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 2:04pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | yeah I was worried about that as well Jaron. unfortunately that means that local set times will be fairly short at T.H. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 2:26pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Usually if everyone has their shit together and haven't tried to book too many acts that wouldn't have to happen. Then there's the mid bands that just don't feel like getting off the stage in time, or keep playing beyond their time. In my opinion, communication between bands, the promoters and the establishment usually suck ass. Alcoholly has it right. Whoever is organizing the mofo should be watching the clock closely and working with the sound guy to arrange the timings. 1:00 is the cutoff for licensed places. What do you expect? We're not in fuckin Quebec, and be sure to thank whatever you worship for that! . - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 2:30pm Edited: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 2:43pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Its' really pretty much 100% the promoters responsibility to have all the set times and turn around worked out way ahead of time and have all playing bands for that night on the same page. Down to the minute. I've put on around 50 shows there and thats' usually the very first thing I work out, sometimes months ahead (after booking the bands, of course...). Whoever put this one on fucked up, pure and simple. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 3:03pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | This is nothing new at all. But ya, it sounds like the "organizer" was out to lunch. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 3:07pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I've been at shows at Logans that have ended at 2am... - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 3:17pm | ||
| Jaron Evil User Info... | Luckys closes at 2, and sometimes lets their bands play a half hour later than that, same with Sugar. What law only affects the liquor liscence of Logans??? - - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 4:35pm Edited: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 4:35pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Its' not the liquor license, its' the noise bylaw. The people who live across the street have filed a billion complaints over the years about, hence the 1 am noise stoppage. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 5:23pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | Huh? I thought it was that incident roughly 2 years ago (something with regards to some guy breaking the owner's leg at some punk show there,) supposedly influencing their decision to close at 1:00 AM instead of 2:00 AM, as a way to "prevent" those things from happening...I take it that's incorrect? Almost everybody and their dog was talking about it... And if that is true, it's a ridiculous decision. Come to think of it, how "loud" is it from the outside anyways? I've sat through a couple bands before outside and I don't recall it being so loud...it's not like Fauna was blowing speakers Manowar-style... Ah whatever, I rant.... - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 7:30pm Edited: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 7:32pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | Logan's closes at 1 because it's in a residential neighborhood and also because Pub's have different sets of bylaws than nightclubs. As I understand it, all pubs close at 1:00. I have been a patron of Logan's for over 10 years (well it was Thursdays for some of that), and have been playing there for eight or so. I've never seen bands go past 1:00, let alone 2:00. I've never seen a band go past 2 at Lucky either... I guess I'm going to all the wrong shows. - Sat, 28 Apr 2007 7:53pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Give Logan's a break, the closing time is not something they have control over. The bylaws are what they are and they risk losing their liquor license if they let things go too long after the official closing time. If I remember correctly someone at Lucky's actually got fined at one point for having their girlfriend in the bar waiting for them after the final closing time so the city are very much dicks on this front. The reason Fauna ran out of time was a mix of other bands playing a little long and Fauna starting a little late due to confusion over what was happening with the drum kit. They still got to play 30 to 40 minutes I figure and I am pretty sure they would be cool with coming back up here. Next one though needs to be a woods show to really do them justice. Regardless, fucking rad event. Cheers - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:42am | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | I am pretty sure Logans is in a different Municipality than Lucky etc, which is the downtown Municipality. So maybe 2am is a downtown thing. Seeing Logans is kinda in a residential-ish area I suspect it is in a different Municipality than Downtown. I was kinda wondering why a show with that many bands started at 9, I missed this show by the way, how was it otherwise? - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:02am | ||
| moron User Info... | Well I am not exactly impartial here but personally I thought it was nearly a perfect show. Night Mother rocked (especially the vocal freakout at the end), Sistrenatus got its creep on big time (Harlow is masterful with this sort of composition), Black Lotus were solid (not a fan of the sing song sections but overall still quite rocking musically) and Fauna ruled one and all. Cheers - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:33am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | As the soundman at Logan's for almost every ugly metal show I can tell you from the horses mouth that my instructions are to have the music over with by 1:00AM, period. Failure to do so could result in the revocation of our liquor license. Sometimes I push the envelope a little bit, especially when an out of town headliner gets fucked over by the previous bands. With Fauna I stretched the limit more than I ever have, aprox. half an hour. The reason they were so late getting on was that the previous acts almost ALL went longer than they said that they would, they took forever to set up and tear down (a common occurrence at metal shows which, IMO, should NEVER have morethan 3 full blown bands on the bill) and, ridiculously, Fauna had a problem with putting a battery into a pedal that took over 15 minutes all by itself to sort out. I told the Fauna guys about the time constraints so naturally they did their entire 15 minute long ritual/introduction and then decided to just keep playing as long as they fucking well felt like so, for THE FIRST TIME EVER IN YEARS OF WORKING AT LOGAN'S I had to pull the plug on them. For my trouble I was sworn at and even threatened by these clowns (who also were burning shit backstage which also contravenes the fucking FIRE CODES of the place) whereupon I had to tell them to get the fuck out of the bar ASAP. I love these types of shows but far too often the participants are fucking idiots who could care less if Logan's exists or not; they just want to have their fun RIGHT NOW and consequences be damned. Now I'm going to let all of you in on a little secret; other than myself EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE STAFF AT LOGAN'S ABSOLUTELY HATES HAVING THESE SHOWS. They are a gigantic pain in the ass for EVERYBODY (me included); they don't sell much beer (which is job one for a bar), the bathrooms almost always get totally messed up, people hang out front and draw attention from the fuzz, the bar staff goes deaf (even with earplugs which, of course, make it difficult to take and understand drink orders) etc. etc. etc. The ONLY reason we continue to do shows like these are the fact that we are trying to present as wide a variety of creative, even cutting edge music to this city in a pro style venue. No matter what my opinion is on this subject a few more fuckhead bands like Fauna (who I liked, incidently, thought they were great, all their bullshit notwithstanding) and there will be no more "extreme" shows at Logan's. You've been warned. - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:42pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | what time does Logan's close on Sundays just to clearify? - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 1:12pm | ||
| Bryn User Info... | I have watched this situation play out so many times I can't count: *opening bands play arena rock length sets without getting cut off *bands show up without ensuring equipment is ready and working or just don't bring all their stuff *when the time comes that the show has to end, it is all of the sudden news to everyone that the venue closes at a certain hour Giving bands schedules and possibly checklists pre-show seems like a good policy... a lot of people need a bit of hand-holding and/or ass-kicking to get them to help make your show run smooth. - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 1:21pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Pretty sure it is midnight on Sunday though it might be earlier. I know it is not as late as the rest of the week (which is already pretty early). - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 1:23pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I feel that a band (whether opening or headlining) establishes with a promoter the set time before the show, and if they run over it they get the embarrassment of the plug being pulled. Maturity should be a prerequisite if you are in a band and expect to be paid for your performance. If the band doesn't abide by the rules, kicked off the stage and no pay is a good way to teach lessons. - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 3:47pm | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | Lucky Bar, Sugar, Legends etc are 2am because they have Night Club licenses. Logans is a Pub and therefore closes at 1am like (I think these are right) Darcy's, Swans, stripclubs etc. EXCEPTIONS.... all bars close at midnight on Sunday unless they have exemption from the city, Lucky and Logans both close at midnight, Legends USUALLY closes at 1am but can get it extended until 2 sometimes, Steamers I think is 2am, Sugar I think is 12 but I could be wrong. The funny thing about all of this is BC liquor laws allow clubs to be open until 4am and 2am on sundays but its local city bylaw that won't allow that to happen, except for special arrangement - which is how Lucky Bar and some other places do 4am on New Years Eve. Anyone correct me if i'm wrong... as I very well could be. Liam, Chris, Dane or the Atomique guys might know better then me? Mito dudes.... i'd try and start your toxic holocaust show, share gear and run short sets. - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 5:36pm Edited: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 5:42pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | that's the plan ... 9pm sharp all gear shared except drums which will all be set up before show time. it's going to have to be pretty strict. - Mon, 30 Apr 2007 6:04pm | ||
| seagulls User Info... | all i know is toxic haulocast is playing at the cobalt the day beforehand t.h. rules exept ya i wanted to go to logans too - Tue, 1 May 2007 12:05am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | The problem with being the club in town that caters to the more "outside" acts is that, a lot of the time, there is no person really in control of a gig. My joke at Logan's is that if there is actually a "promoter" for the show that person is just about the last person to show up at the gig. That leaves me, just the sound guy remember, to suddenly figure out the order of the bands, figure out how long everybody is playing and then figure out start times etc. all while trying to mix 3 or 4 often totally different band lineups and make it all sound decent AND make shure that everything ends pretty much right at 1 AM. The absolute best way to turn me into Grumpy Old Sound Guy is to tell me you're playing for half an hour and then play for an hour. Or, when I indicate that you have 2 songs left, play three with the last one being 16 minutes long (yes, folks, a band actually did that to me once). Pulling off bullshit like this infuriates me mostly because it's so disrespectful of all the other bands on the bill. When your set is over get your shit off the stage IMMEDIATELY and THEN go for a beer or a blowjob. I usually try to start an evening at about 10:30, earlier if there are more acts or if there are small quiet acts. You would be amazed at how many bands book shows when one of their members is "working till 10 or so" and the whole gig gets held up while we wait for them to show. Or the band that wants to hold off until some of their friends or relatives show up and puts the whole timetable out of whack from the word go. Drives me nuts! Respect folks. - Tue, 1 May 2007 1:55pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | The last time we played in Vegas, we were supposed to be on stage at 12:30 as the opening act. When we got there we found out that there was an earlier show at the bar that was still going on. Long story short, we hit the stage at 2:30 and were leaving the venue around 4:30 or 5 am. A little organization can go a long way. - Tue, 1 May 2007 6:31pm | ||
| Pierce User Info... | Any show i played at Logans was done by 1am. Then the bands would usually get together and make sure the headliner has enough time. - Wed, 2 May 2007 7:26pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Ya Vegas his its very unique problems eh Ty? The bars are open too late to play properly! - Wed, 2 May 2007 9:08pm | ||
| gino User Info... | I think logans does a pretty rad job of hosting shows, aND I HAVE HEARD THE PROPRIETERS YELL "GET THE FUCK OUT" ON MANY OCCASIONS AND ALL IT MEANS IS THAT THIS VENUE WILL BE AVAILABLE NEXT TIME BECAUSE THEY STAFF IS VIGILANT AT GETTING THINGS SHUT DOWN IN TIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PUB THAT HAS PROBABLY PUSHED LIMIT MANY TIMES, AND I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN FINED FOR STUPID REASONS(AT LEAST NORMAL FOLK FIND THE REASONS STUPID), AFTER KILLER GIGS. DON'T DISRESPECT ONE OF THE LAST GOOD ROOMS IN THIS CITY, CAUSE THEY WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO SELL BOOZE, BUT BANDS ARE RUNNING OUT OF DECENT VENUES TO PLAY, AND I FOR ONE THINK LOGANS TREATS SKEEVY MUSICIANS BETTER THAN ALMOST EVERY OTHER PLACE I'VE PLAYED! XOXOXOXOXO - Fri, 4 May 2007 2:45pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | fuck off. hippy. - Fri, 4 May 2007 2:54pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | JEEZ, QUIT YELLING!!! :) - Sat, 5 May 2007 12:02pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | ...and so it goes, now even LOCAL bands are pulling this rockstar bullshit with us. The Whores of Anacron got to play well after 1 AM and when I told them "one more song" (at about 1:15AM) they played that one and then said "one more, OK?" to which I yelled "no, we're CLOSED!!!" and waved my arms etc. Naturally they just went ahead and kept playing even though I turned off the lights and even turned off the PA (something thatI absolutely hate to do), continuing to play without a PA in the dark for at least 10 more minutes. This is grade A prime rockstar asshole bullshit folks. I simply will not let fucking assholes like this put our club (and the jobs that rely on it having a liquor licence) in jeoprady. This was the capper to a very well thought out show, too, with Heather doing her best to make sure that everything went as smoothly as possible. As per usual all it takes is a few dickheads to really fuck things up. I highly doubt the Whores will be invited back to Logan's and certainly if I have anything to say about it I will be lobbying to bar bands that pull this kind of disrespectful crapola from the bar. At the very least I will not do sound for these shows. This is the second metal show in a row that went ridiculously late because of the bands being bloody fools. I doubt Logan's would miss this crowd much; apparently they ran out of quarters because the crowd were collectively so cheap that they wouldn't tip a quarter per beer!!! Quit pissing in your own nest shitheads. - Mon, 14 May 2007 2:58pm | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | somewhat related question.> Why is the Logans clock about 12 minutes fast? The bar clock said 1am and they closed it at about 12 minutes to one.. I know my time is right because my cell picks up the time from whatever network its on.. Incidently I saw a few people showing their watches to the bus guy who was back there cleaning up. So although I agree that the band should have stopped when Scott told them to, I question the timing. PS: there were a few dickheads there that night, like the guy who was caught jumping the smoking area fence, then tried to justify it by claiming he was going to give each band a cut of the money individually. He proceeded to call Heather a bitch when she confronted him and continued to argue in his own defence after the show was over, like he had done nothing out of the ordinary, as he jumped into his cab, so obviously he wasnt broke. - Mon, 14 May 2007 3:19pm Edited: Mon, 14 May 2007 3:27pm | ||
| Tararising User Info... | Otay. How about the person in charge of the band schedule etc. decides how long a band has to play, lets say... 3 bands in 4 hours, starting at 9 and ending at 1 gives each band 50 mins to play and 25 mins in between sets for setup/take down. Feasable?? Let's go further by saying that band #1 gets cut off at their 50min mark, unless it happens in the middle of a reasonably lengthed song. And the same rules would apply for band #2, and band # 3 would get an hour. Without any mishaps occurring things should run along smoothly. Should a mishap occur, ( I know its not a perfect world, and stuff happens) its just that, a mishap and really the fault of no one. Yes the band who had a mishap happen would then lose part of their 50/60 mins. - Mon, 14 May 2007 4:03pm | ||
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| Zippgunn User Info... | Ooooo that hurts, boy you sure showed me. As it happens the clock at Logan's WAS in fact set a bit ahead (something that never is done there so perhaps someone just wanted to go home on time for once). I know it was right at 5 PM when the hockey game started. So that means that the Whores only played til about 20 minutes after our license so I guess that makes it OK, right asshole? If you think your shitty cartoon band is more important to me than my job you are dead wrong, chowderhead. I've done more for the local metal scene than your whole band combined times ten so save me the insults. Have fun playing somewhere else fool. - Mon, 14 May 2007 6:01pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... | You just keep digging that hole I figured you would keep this shit going on the internet, so I will use it to respond, I bet you didn't know we were told to push till 15 after 1 am did you. I am not suprised you don't know alot of things. Chowderhead? Dude you are a DramaQueen and a pussy at that "oh no there is someone from Blasphemy here oh no...."If I knew I would have never taken this job" If you took five seconds with Marco you would see how retarded that was to say And if you think you can threaten anyone by throwing your percieved weight around ...take your best shot you withered old fuck Who else hears a changing of the guard coming - Mon, 14 May 2007 6:10pm Edited: Mon, 14 May 2007 6:23pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | Enough with the suspense. Who told you to go 15 minutes over? - Mon, 14 May 2007 6:51pm | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | 'I know it was right at 5 PM when the hockey game started. So that means that the Whores only played til about 20 minutes after our license so I guess that makes it OK, right asshole?' Ermm. not sure if you were directing that at me, but just for the record I am neutral all the way on this one :) (aside from my agreeing when you pulled the plug they should have stopped) and yah, Marco is a pretty mellow dude all around. - Mon, 14 May 2007 7:20pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Marco and his bandmates turned out to be real nice guys and professionals; my concerns about them were based entirely on heresay and a lot of stories from long ago. Blasphemy gigs used to be pretty crazy affairs apparently but I never saw them or met them. I too would love to know who told you to go 15 minutes after our closing time; my guess is that it wasn't anybody connected with the bar. I don't understand all the attitude you guys have; this is not about me or my attitude, it's about keeping employed and paying the rent. I'll put this as simply as possible; it is ILLEGAL for us to have bands past 1 AM; even 5 minutes late could get our license revoked. Steamers have been busted just for having band beers onstage, Lucky got nailed because the bartender's girlfriend was waiting for him to get off work. The City of Victoria would LOVE to shut down every fringy nightclub in this town and are constantly looking for excuses to do just that; remember Logan's is the only bar in the whole province to actually get fined for allegedly violating the anti-smoking bylaw. The best part about all this is that I'm getting shit on because I'm a nice guy and let people push the envelope; guess I have to pull the plug at 1:00:01 AM from now on, eh? - Mon, 14 May 2007 8:02pm | ||
| Tararising User Info... | You dont understand the attitude.......seriously did you not write this....? "" ...and so it goes, now even LOCAL bands are pulling this rockstar bullshit with us. The Whores of Anacron got to play well after 1 AM and when I told them "one more song" (at about 1:15AM) they played that one and then said "one more, OK?" to which I yelled "no, we're CLOSED!!!" and waved my arms etc. Naturally they just went ahead and kept playing even though I turned off the lights and even turned off the PA (something thatI absolutely hate to do), continuing to play without a PA in the dark for at least 10 more minutes. This is grade A prime rockstar asshole bullshit folks. I simply will not let fucking assholes like this put our club (and the jobs that rely on it having a liquor licence) in jeoprady. This was the capper to a very well thought out show, too, with Heather doing her best to make sure that everything went as smoothly as possible. As per usual all it takes is a few dickheads to really fuck things up. I highly doubt the Whores will be invited back to Logan's and certainly if I have anything to say about it I will be lobbying to bar bands that pull this kind of disrespectful crapola from the bar. At the very least I will not do sound for these shows. This is the second metal show in a row that went ridiculously late because of the bands being bloody fools. I doubt Logan's would miss this crowd much; apparently they ran out of quarters because the crowd were collectively so cheap that they wouldn't tip a quarter per beer!!! Quit pissing in your own nest shitheads. - Mon "" Pretty abrasive as far as internet posting goes. - Mon, 14 May 2007 8:22pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Have to agree with the policy, if your not supposed to play after 1am, then don't. To me, it sounds like bands need to sign a contract with Logan's, that way if they play after 1 am they are fined a certain amount of money per extra minute there on stage. This money of course would be taken out of what the bands are paid that night. Sounds stupid?!? Well, don't play after 1 am then. And hey, I'm just making suggestions here. - Mon, 14 May 2007 11:50pm Edited: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:52pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Uh oh. Looks like this is going to be moved to Controversy and Quarantine!!! - Tue, 15 May 2007 12:37am | ||
| Bryn User Info... | Why on earth would Horde of Anachron choose to play for extra time when it has been well established that metal shows are a problem for Logan's exactly because metal bands indulge in that precise type of behaviour. In fact judging from the seething hatred coming from certain members of the bar staff that night I think metal at Logan's might be over sooner than later. - Tue, 15 May 2007 2:20am | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | Harsh.... well TaraRising, by the sounds of it Heather does have her stuff together as she puts on numerous shows. - Tue, 15 May 2007 9:18am | ||
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| J. Peatman User Info... | I've seen many a metal show go overtime at Logan's, and thought especially after Fauna's uncalled for tirade against ZippScott and his subsequent posts in this topic that bands would have some consideration for what is the law. Alas. But slugging eachother back and forth with petty name calling is not going to solve anything I think. Nor is it very professional looking. As far as having no quarters left is concerned...I think it's unfair to blame patrons for that. Maybe Logan's should raise the price of certain beverages by a quarter, or think of other ways to keep enough change on hand. If you run your cash assuming there will be a big enough percentage of people tipping quarters then you might as well make it a compulsary tip. - Tue, 15 May 2007 12:24pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | The shows that Heather puts on have gotten better with each one. We have put our heads together to make sure that the glitches are minimal. These glitches almost always involve gigs going past 1 AM and the ridiculous lengths of band changeovers that seem to be endemic at metal shows. That's why I begged her to keep all the shows at three bands; that way we could do the thing right and keep everybody happy. The abrasiveness of my previous posts isn't so much that HOA went over; it's that they kept playing for quite awhile after I extinguished both lights and sound which can only be interpreted as a big "fuck you" to both me and the bar. The guy climbing over the smoking wall is another indication of the lack of respect that SOME people have for their own scene. I say give Heather all the credit you can; putting on these shows must be a monumental pain in the ass. And pay the cover; it's cheap when you think about it and helps bring the next show to town. - Tue, 15 May 2007 1:20pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I have no comment about the recent overtime playing issue at Logan's, although many opinions on it. My concern lies in the tipping problem. Is it that metal shows are the only shows where people don't tip well? Are you telling me that punk shows have high-rollin' tippers? Perhaps staff attitude plays a role in the patrons' tipping practices? Maybe dropping the drinks down 5o cents would allow people who do tip, like me to give 75 cents each time, covering for the cheapskates that are making us all look bad? In the end, the bar gets to decide what goes and what doesn't, so everyone can complain all they want, but the bar will win and anyone who doesn't like it will just move on to the next bar. One thing I will say about the whole deal is that respect plays a huge role in how far people will go to accomodate you. Take that however you all like. - Tue, 15 May 2007 5:08pm Edited: Wed, 16 May 2007 4:15pm | ||
| Tararising User Info... | FYI we love Heather, and all the shit she puts up with, all the bands she supports, feeds and houses. Her credibility was NEVER in question. My comment was simply a comment on the 'time' issues in GENERAL. Major Beef has the following to say (Dictated Quote) "Despite all the accusations I was told the show would be pushed 'til quarter after. We took so long to introduce the last song that I figured they thought we were just done, and that is why I thought the lights were coming on. In terms of being told to shut it down, I couldn't hear anything besides my own feedback on stage. Then once I noticed the PA was off, we were already 1/2 way through a 5 min long Judas Priest song that was being played faster than normal. With only a solo and an ending to go, the crowd moving more than they had all night, I didn't think that I would be putting Logan's (My most frequented watering hole) at risk by continuing to play. I apologize to Heather and Logan's for the mistake and all the bullshit that ensued, and I will take responsibility for starting the last song. If HOA is barred...that's life. As long as I can still get drunk there when I want to, I will be fine. This is the last & only time I will ever post anything, via g/f or not, on this chit chat bullshit. If there is anything more to say I will be around. - Tue, 15 May 2007 5:32pm | ||
| James User Info... | I just find it funny that people choose to live right downtown and then complain about noise. Sure it would piss me off too if I was trying to sleep and the pub let out at 2:00 or 3:00am but I also know better than to live in possibly noisy area. - Wed, 16 May 2007 12:07pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | When tipping, always remember to tip a quarter per drink. It's probably the best way to get better service (and the servers/bartenders appreciate that, why bite the hand that feeds?!?) - Wed, 16 May 2007 12:11pm | ||
| Bryn User Info... | A quarter per drink? Whaddaya think, I'm made of money? Fugetta bout it! - Wed, 16 May 2007 12:15pm | ||
| Krystal Koffin User Info... | OK I just have to make a comment about tipping. Not to sound cheap, but no tipping should be mandatory! Just for the record, I do tip when I am there because I enjoy having metal shows there. That being said, tipping is a bonus for doing a good job. No where should a person be demanded to give a tip. The people that are working those jobs get paid an hourly rate to do that job. I have worked in the service industry for years doing delivery, waitressing and the such and have never demanded a tip, I try to do a good job so they do tip, thats the way it should be. Why is it that I do service for many people fixing guitars and equiptment for hours at a time, which is not easy work and don't get tipped for that, but someone poors a watered down drink into a glass and they feel they derserve a tip on top of the horrendous price of the drink for doing 2 seconds worth of work. The fact that tips at Logans are EXPECTED makes me not want to tip them. If they do a good job, I will tip, but I shouldn't have to tip them to GET good service. - - Wed, 16 May 2007 12:43pm Edited: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:46pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Yes, good service deserves good tipping - Wed, 16 May 2007 7:18pm Edited: Wed, 16 May 2007 7:20pm | ||
| Bryn User Info... | Tipping is just one of those things that is considered polite. You can think it's a stupid custom all you like, but that's just how things are. You aren't obligated to smile or say please and thank you either, but you'll have a tough way to go in life if you don't bother! I always leave something when I order a drink to make sure that I will get the same service on my next order, especially if I'm in a strange bar. I always get good service at Logan's... there was one dude serving at the Tyrant's Blood show who was clearly very unhappy to be there, but I think that was really the only time I've ever had something bad to say about the bar staff @ Log's. - Thu, 17 May 2007 12:19am Edited: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:22am | ||
| Lucky Bar User Info... | Logan's Rocks!!! 'Nuff said. - Thu, 17 May 2007 12:56am | ||
| J. Peatman User Info... | You pour the right drink and hand it over to your customer, it's not quantum physics. Why should I feel the need to keep tipping just to see someone do their job? Or "to keep the same good service"...that sounds like bartenders are going to be spitting in my drink unless I start tipping them again. A quarter worth of "protection money" haha. Or yeah, just call me cheap. - Thu, 17 May 2007 8:48am | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | Cheer up, be friendly, get better tips, its a given. - Thu, 17 May 2007 10:52am | ||
| Spinvis User Info... |  http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2006/07/why-do-we-tip.html and: INTERNATIONAL TIPPING ETIQUETTE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A640018 Logan's has so many shows. I'm sure they are well aware what kind of shows bring more tips and what don't. I don't understand why there is a debate about it. Its a given that places in the service industry also rely on tips. Its not EXPECTED, but statistically showing and what we do in Canada, is we also tip ALOT of the time. Besides, Logan's is awesome. Also I think if I was standing all night doing drinks (not all just pouring into a glass) it would sure be nice to get a few tips by the end of the night. Imagine if you were a bartender at a really shit show, totally not enjoyable music. Yeah its your job, but tips can be nice. More in depth tipping: http://www.magellans.com/store/article/367?Args= - Thu, 17 May 2007 11:55am Edited: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:58am | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | Pouty face service because of a few cheap asses just turns the not so cheap asses into reluctant tippers. I always tip, but if I get pouty faced service because some Old Milwuakee swilling chump cant dish out an extra quarter, then I tip accordingly. And if a bar charges $5 for a beer,,, where's the tip coming from, my other pocket? What if I have no change.. - Thu, 17 May 2007 12:10pm | ||
| Bryn User Info... | Leaving a tip for the bartender is the bare minimum of politeness in my book. If you're rude to the bartender, you can expect rudeness back. - Thu, 17 May 2007 1:19pm | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | My point is this.. If some peope in a 'scene' are poor tippers are you rude to everyone that comes to a show? I always tip, and people I hang around with arent cheap that way either. Like these people seem to think that everyone in this metal scene are all part of some clique that hangs around together and plot how to be cheap to bartenders. When I go to a metal show here in Victoria I maybe know 20 people personaly depending on the show, maybe 10-15 others who I know but dont 'know' and have seen some of the others around.. out of 100 or more people at the average show.. yet people like Zipp and such seem to categorize us all as one group. Its ridiculous. Id say at Tyrants Blood there were maybe 8 people there I hang with regularly, one was the promoter, 2 others were in Tyrants Blood.. etc. - Thu, 17 May 2007 1:44pm Edited: Thu, 17 May 2007 1:51pm | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | Victoria is only so big... I think alot of this is blown way our of proportion. Its very rare when I've been to Logans and getting rude service even at a METAL show. Agreed with Bryn. - Thu, 17 May 2007 1:58pm | ||
| dumpstermesh User Info... | As a server I've learned that you can't assume anything about anybody. There are certain types of customers that have a bad rap for being poor tippers but I've learned that you can't assume that it is true of all of them. My rules for serving are always make eye contact, show that you are listening, and get those drinks on the table fast. If I get stiffed on a table I just let it go because I know I did my job and they are just cheap for whatever reason. I will more than make up for the lost tip on one table with the generous tip from another. Do realize though that all servers and bartenders have to tip out other staff (kitchen, bussers, bouncers etc) so that 25 cents might be getting split 3 ways. - Thu, 17 May 2007 2:02pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I tip enough at punk shows to make up for those that don't. .......or should I say, can't. Some of us are hardcore alcoholics, and twenty five cents is a good chunk of change towards the next drink. - Thu, 17 May 2007 2:37pm Edited: Thu, 17 May 2007 2:42pm | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | End of the day, Logans is a great venue with good ownership and staff and Scott is a good soundguy with a alot of experience and I for one hope they keep the shows going and not let a few individual incidents have bearing on the scene as a whole! - Thu, 17 May 2007 2:48pm | ||
| Rubber Box User Info... | amen! - Thu, 17 May 2007 2:51pm | ||
| yog sototh User Info... |  You guys have great bars for heavy metal music. We have the grossest,skidiest ,skankiest,stinkiest,fistiest,shitiest bars for metal I've seen in the world (other than the National Calgary) Don't blow it,we did, and now look at us, 2 places to play with the worst soundman on the planet in the most cracked out southernhorsecrankindown syndrome part of the country. Sorry to stick my beak in,just read all this stuff and thought about how shit we got it for bars here in comaparrison to you cats. Vancouver Sucks.....the shit outta my ass. Rise Above. - Thu, 17 May 2007 3:49pm Edited: Thu, 17 May 2007 3:50pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | Geez - this is a long thread! Just to clarify on the closing time: we close at one, and have for at least ten years (except on Sundays - then EVERYONE is supposed to close at midnight.) As for tipping: bar staff don't get paid very much. If they did, we'd have to raise the prices on the drinks. I'd hold back a tip if the bartender was a complete twat, (and then I'd leave,) but other than that, people tip everywhere in the world. Except for the places where they don't. Canada ain't one of them. Also: Scott rocks. In addition: we like metal shows just fine. There are dickheads at every kind of show, but in general, I've always found metal crowds to be among the most respectful and appreciative. - Thu, 17 May 2007 5:05pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Set the entire stage breaker system on a timer that automatically kills all power to that side of the room, and then some emergency lights come on to assist tear-down. That way the entire issue is out of the human realm. And if by 1:15:00, the stage is not 80 percent lighter by weight, the flamethrowers automatically incinerate whatever is left standing. Clean and ready for tomorrow night! Well, maybe after a couple of minutes with a broom to collect the ash. . - Fri, 18 May 2007 6:23pm Edited: Fri, 18 May 2007 6:24pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | By far the most intelligent, well thought out and effective solution on here so far. - Fri, 18 May 2007 7:50pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | When it comes to tips on tipping just watch the introductory scene in Reservoir Dogs. Seems we have a few Mr. Pinks among us. - Fri, 18 May 2007 8:25pm | ||
| wendythirteen User Info... | GEEZ THANX MARCO......APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.... SOMETIMES AS A VENUE OWNER...YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS....ESPECIALLY IF THE 'MAN' IS BREATHING DOWN YOUR NECK....IVE WORKED AT SHUT DOWN BY INSPECTOR BARS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU MUST COMPLY OR YOURE FUCKED.... I LIKE TO HAVE SHOWS OVER BY ONE ANYWAYS BECAUSE HERE IN VANCOUVER THE MAJOR TRANSIT ENDS....EVEN THO CURRENTLY I CAN BE OPEN UNTIL 2....BUT YOU LOSE THE CROWD AND THAT REALLY SUCKS FOR THE HEADLINERS TO RUN OVERTIME.... - Sun, 20 May 2007 6:53pm | ||
| yog sototh User Info... | no problem, at least your bar has a good soundman, the other bar, the balmoral, is the worst ive ever heard in my life. Why say any diffrent, its really really a bad bar. Mostly sound wise. Could be better, but it will probably get shut out by the time that happens just like most venues in our city. Still though ,of the two major metal bars that are in Van, the cobalts in a better location because of skytrain access, but the balmoral is the worst location for sure. Lots of folks, and we've all had this disscussion before, wont even go to metal shows in van because of the locations themselves. We really dont have a great city for alternative music at all. Its not a shot at you wendythirteen, you do good with what you got, but go to other major cities in other parts of the world and feel the vibe, we dont compare. Again it's the man and the way we do things. We dont get passed over alot for nothing, ther's reason. - Sun, 20 May 2007 9:19pm Edited: Sun, 20 May 2007 9:24pm | ||
| wendythirteen User Info... | IN DOING THIS OVER 7 YEARS...1000'S OF BANDS....IVE SEEN EVERY BULLSHIT TACTIC A BAND COULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO MAKE A SHOW RUN LATE.....IVE HAD ONE BAND AND RAN LATE....WITH AN EPIC ROCKSTAR OVER ONE HOUR SET.....WITH 3 BANDS WHERE THE MIDDLE BAND WITH THE GIANT DRUMKIT TOOK A FUCKING HOUR TO SET UP AND PUSHED THE HEADLINER TO START A SET AT 10 TO 1....ARRGH.....OR HOW ABOUT THE OPENER WHO WILL HAVE A SLOT START AT 10 THEN A MEMBER WILL MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEAR UNTIL QUARTER TO 11 BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PLAY TO THE MIDDLE SLOT AUDIENCE... THOSE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF BULLSHIT MANEUVER MOVES MADE BY BANDS THAT UNFORTUNATELY FUCK THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE... SOMETIMES ITS HARD TO STAY ON IT WHEN YOU WEAR MORE THAN ONE HAT OF RESPONSIBILITY AT WORK.... SO TAKE IT EASY ON THE RANTING SOUNDGUY....HE HAS PEOPLE TO ANSWER TOO BECAUSE HE COULD PROLLY GIVE TWO SHITS WHEN THE CHOICES ARE APPEASE THE MINIONS OR HAVE A JOB AND VENUE TO WORK AT FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH REGULATIONS.... MY 666 CENTS..... FUCK WHY AM I AWAKE.... - Mon, 21 May 2007 10:09am | ||
| wendythirteen User Info... | BOY IM TELLING YOU IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS YOU WOULDNT RECOGNIZE THE COBALT......*DREAMS OF STAINLESS STEEL BATHROOMS*....HAHAHAHA..... - Mon, 21 May 2007 10:14am | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | stainless works, but nothing is better than teflon. Non stick! - Mon, 21 May 2007 11:43am | ||
| Bryn User Info... | "STAINLESS STEEL BATHROOMS" haha I'd just settle for not having to cover the top of my beer with my hand in case I "feel a drop". AIDS rain! - Mon, 21 May 2007 12:39pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | we fucking achieved the impossible tonight!! - Mon, 28 May 2007 3:11am | ||
| Jaron Evil User Info... |  - - Mon, 28 May 2007 12:14pm | ||
| sealion User Info... | Did I miss something or is this evolved all the way down to who tips more: punks or metalheads? Okay how about this: What's the difference between a canoe and a Canadian? A canoe tips. - Fri, 8 Jun 2007 6:09pm | ||
| Mean Mike User Info... | Oh great, so now Im a freakin canoe.. - Sat, 9 Jun 2007 3:57am | ||
| Bounce User Info... | whatever!.... - Mon, 22 Oct 2007 3:12pm | ||
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