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Last sunset room show...
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| ScumFucBondage User Info... | Shit that was so stupid. Late start because of the fucing ravers fro mthe night before taking forever to get there crap out there, and early finish because of all the dicks outside who come for headlining bands and ignore the openers so they can throw their beer bottles and the boats and cars...way to go you wrecked the venue. other than that....it was alright a HUGE sorry dudes, to L.I.D and the SweatHogz not beign able to paly. that was bullshit... febuary 9th is cancelled to, and i'm not doing shows till march now. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 9:20am | ||
| darcy User Info... | Whoa dude, that sucks. I had to leave part way into CxJx!!!!!!!````~~~ because I had another perfomance that night. Yeah man, those people clearing out took forever. They could like, at least moved stuff to the side or something. And fuck to those people throwing bottles and shit. And even if you did that bin idea at the GOR (so no one would have liquor on them or inside the venue), it wouldn't have worked cause those people hardly came inside at all until the show was well started. Gah, that's lame man. I hope your next shows rock out. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:09am | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | oh by the way lid still gets the cash for your troubles. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:42am | ||
| tyler User Info... | all i can say is fuck every mohwak peice of shit pouser at the show..cept eric hes chill..im fucking sick of fucking people who come to shows and stand outside get drunk and fuck shit...we spend our time and money to put on shows and all you do is fuck it up..well all i say is fuck you i dont care about drinking,weed or anything but if your not even gonna come in and enjoy the music then dont come stay at home with your glue and studs and pretend to hate your parents and why did you throw your bottles at cars? your way to badass for me fuck everyone who does shit like that...like even if u dont like the band you could at least respect the venue or even WATCH THE BAND(what a great idea) thanks to the few people who did watch the bands,thanks to johnny for nXhXb for requesting indie kids fuck off 3 times that kicked ass when we get band from all venues i hope you all realize your mohawks are fucking stupid and your "punk: attitidue is nothing but a way for me to get a couple of laughs i think wp played pretty good,cj kinda sucked but whatver thrash crew for life and fuck everyone who was talking bout nazism and all the anti semetic comments i was hearing you all can fuck off and preferbaly die,that shit is fucking disgusting this is the kinda shit that makes me not want to put on shows people need to learn that a)were doing this cause its sick and we dont want it to get fucked up b)everyone is equal and if your a dick to any culture your completely and udderly fucked in the head and you should burn forever with hitler c)if you hate your parents and wear perposly ripped cltoehs,your a joke tyty out fuck it cut the chords - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:43am | ||
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| Andrew User Info... | fuck i had to start cleaning my apartment cuz it has to be done by sundayt night or i dont get my damage deposit... oh well sounds like i missed a big pile of bullshit. i wish i got to see cyborg again. sorry guys - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 1:27pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | But what do you all expect? You're supporting punk which is a genre and lifestyle that usually tends to attract extreme people. So there will be a lot of people with crazy anti establishment anarchist (weird stuff like anti-semetic and nazism) ideals. It's no suprise that these people are going to have no respect for anything and are going to hate anything around them (where is the beer bottle thing comes in). I think if your going to be throwing one of the only punk shows that is somewhat true to punk your going to attract these people no matter what. And jeez I always thought the whole anti-fashion thing (mohawks torn jeans patches etc etc) was a general part of true punk? - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 2:00pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | When the "whole anti-fashion thing" becomes a fashion, it's fucking lame. And how is anti-semitism more inclined towards the punk scene? There are TONS of racist metal bands (you listen to Burzum, don't you?), and I know that one of the guys making those comments was actually a metalhead himself, so why you're flinging around accusations that this stuff just happens because that's what the punk scene is makes absolutely no sense. This was the kind of show that makes me understand why people don't like the all ages scene, and that's really all I'm going to say. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 2:31pm | ||
| Dave Slaughter User Info... | haha, so much for family values, huh? - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 2:39pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | All i'm saying is that this whole anti establishment attitude is way more prevalent in punk than metal. You can say that anti semetism may be in the black metal scene in norway but than that is miniscule compared to the punk scene out here and has little to do with this region. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 2:53pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | holy shit i had fun for about 2 bands Wayne Powerman - ruled i had lots of fun, best youve sounded in a while, keep it up CxJx - not as good as our first show, but our new song was requested 3 times so i guess were doing something right... and this fucking sucks about the venue, i had lots of good times playing shows there, but there has to be something done about people drinking outside. thats about it - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:00pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | The Norwegian black metal scene is just the tip of the anti-semitism iceberg... there's a huge nazi black metal scene in Poland and the Ukraine, not to mention some of the Norwegian scene's ties to it, as well as a bunch of North American NSBM bands. There may be a bit more nazi themed punk, but there's still also TONS of nazi themed metal. Also, how is metal less anti-establishment? Trashing Christianity is being anti-establishment, writing offensive gore-themed lyrics with the intention of pissing people off is pretty anti-establishment, metalheads are just as "rebellious" as punks, we just express it through different mediums than straight up saying "fuck the government." There are also just as many fucking lame poser metalheads as there are fucking lame poser punks, so enough with this condescending attitude towards punk. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:07pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | Dude im not saying that this wouldn't happen at a metal concert either. All I am saying is that extreme people are attracted to extreme music. So if your throwing a metal show or a punk show it can be expected that sometimes people are going to do weird shit. However you must agree that punk is a bit more anti establishment typically than metal. Anyways, that does suck about the concert I guess the sunset room management are pissed now? - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:12pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Yeah, are we going to be allowed to play any more shows there? - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:17pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | what anti-jewish things were said anyways? - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 4:28pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | As for the kids who like to stir shit up, you can tell they're not coming for the music. Usually they're attention whores who snag the attention of others with an "extreme" style or behavior, especially in crowds. It's similar to parties. There's always one jackass who has to ruin everything. Mostly this is seen at teen parties, involving underage drinking. It's the maturity level. Some dumb kids who can't handle their liquor, some idiots who are just trying to look cool. Grow the hell up. I say keep the drinking for parties or after the show (or don't keep it at all!) Don't ruin it for the rest of us who just want to hear some good music. It's selfishness and the need to "belong", overpowering social suicide. Anyways it was a good show to start out with. I liked the Blietzkrieg Bop cover. Anywaysssss hopefully the Sunset room can still be used and all that stuff. My final message- quit ruining it for everyone else you drunken bastards! - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 4:33pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | attention whores in music? Naaaaaahhh.. :P - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 4:40pm | ||
| rip skinny User Info... | that sucks the show got gayed after i left. it was obviously cuz people missed me. there was alot of fuckers with spikes and the whole gear who seem to enjoy picking on random people, people who dont dress and act like them. its reely cool that i can find the same type of dicks at shows as i would hafto deal with in high school. fucking jocks. i cant seem to go anywhere without finding a million motherfuckers like you. fuck everything you stand for eat my fuck you shit fuck fuck. your mothers should have swallowed the jizz that spawned you. choke and fucknig die and let me burn and rape your fucking corpse in front of your family while they are skinned alive and have bleach poured on there wounds. you will be horrifically skullfucked. i swear to fucking fuck i will fucknig kill you. fuck you you shit eating, cat fucking, cum sucking, fudgepacking, ass eating, scrotum sniffing, chode molesting necro zoophiliac mother fucker. p.s. - fuck everyones opinion ever, fuck you. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 4:55pm | ||
| reece User Info... | WP ROCKED! so fast Cyborg justice was fun rotten fiends was good i love rotten jesus sucks that the show was shut down - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 5:46pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | This always happens in cycles with the all ages scene. If you want to keep it thriving (and it's been better lately than it has been in YEARS), you've got to keep the drinking on the down low and keep all the tom fuckery OUT. Hey, I drink at shows, but you don't see me doing it in the open. Nor will you see me chuckin' bottles and fucking things up because I've seen what happens when you fuck over every single all ages venue in town... It's not good. @darth: Are you getting your assumptions about punk rock from 80's TV shows like Quincy or CHiPS? Seriously, you will find a lot less racism and intolerance in punk than you will in metal, hip-hop, pro-sports or government. Yeah it attracts fringe type people (I refuse to use the term "extreme"), but those who aren't posing know that it is a community of like minded people who don't fit in with the norm that society dictates. Long story short: STOP FUCKING UP THE VENUES CUZ YOU'RE ONLY HURTING YOURSELVES IN THE END. If you see someone fucking things up, stop them. - Sat, 27 Jan 2007 7:52pm | ||
| DK User Info... | Damn are punk/hardcore shows actually banned from Sunset Room now? If so that really fucking sucks, looked for a while there as if the all ages punk scene had really rebuilt itself here. PS. There were punks in Quincy? - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 8:09am | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | TY I am not from Star Wars (Darkith not Darth!). But ya I always thought there were these other two groups of punks.. anarchist punks and nazi punks, they dont really seem like the kind of groups to go run in fields and pick flowers. - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:57am | ||
| rootsradical User Info... | I'm 14, I was at that show and it was stupid. I was like 1 in 10 people there for the music. All those people outside getting drunk out of their mind just shouldnt be there. I didnt hear any rascism but from what youre saying there was, and its just wrong. Also, I have a trihawk, not because I think it makes me "punk-rock" but because I just dont want to look like every other damn kid in the world, I feel like having it and everybody has a mowhawk, so I got 3. And ignore my Rancid-inspired username, although I do like rancid, rest assured I like much more stuff and am not some poser punk who knows ruby soho and thinks im all that. But anyways, Wayne Powerman was awesome, so was cyborg just, the indie sucks song rocked, and I LOVED the rottenfiends. Hopefully the next show wont be so damn stupid - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:48am | ||
| Afe User Info... | answer the damn question, are shows banned or not, haha, becuase that would be shitty... - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:51am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | roots who cares how punk anyone is. I was tlaking to a friend who has a band and they're new..i suggested they played a show locally to pop the cherry and you knwo what he said? "you think we're punk enough?" whne you have people trying to exclude others from hearing and playing a type of MUSIC cause the aren't just like you........what the fuck does that represent? - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:08pm Edited: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:12pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | That's really crummy people have to act like m0r0ns and get a venue closed. - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 2:07pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | sorry Darkith, I musta had Star Wars on the brain for some reason. Idiots who ruin shows make me want to think that "punk" is wasted on the young... Good thing there is always cool kids to prove this wrong. Racisits get punched. - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 2:17pm | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | alright I'm less pissed now. nd lemme set this all straight, the people outside are fucing stupid. yeah i was drinking my 40, but i can hold my alcohol dude. I wasn't drunk. My rules are drink off the property and if you're gonna drink on don't be stupid and throw your empies in the EMPIES BUCKETS I HAD EVERYWERE.some kids at that show were great some headliner muffins really pissed me off. But this happens to every venue one time or another. next show will be better. i garuentee that. later boys - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 3:05pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... |  It's true that most of the people were just hanging out outside. That could be because you didn't care that most people weren't paying so people thought it was just a hangout spot. Anyway there were still a fair amount of people having fun and enjoying the music. - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 4:08pm | ||
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| Jesspycho User Info... | scumfuc says "yeah i was drinking my 40, but i can hold my alcohol dude. I wasn't drunk. My rules are drink off the property" set an example. you are the show promoter and underage. so save the underage drinking for after the show in the bushes somewhere. do you really think the owner of the venue or the cops care if you think you can hold your alcohol? if YOU are putting on a show than be responsible. - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 4:10pm Edited: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 4:12pm | ||
| tyler User Info... |  punk all ages needs to re group and figure out what were gonna do about these "punx",were just little people trying to put on shows so people can hear our bands,and now if this venue is closed that a total of 3 which we have lost now due(and almost james bay) like whats the point of fucking a venue you up? once you have lots us all the venues,youll have no reason to spike your mowhawk and show off( i dont even know how to spell)...and guy whos name is roots radical,dont worry about liking rancid,rancid kicks ass,and rancid only kicks ass because opivy kicked ass and op ivy kicked ass cause weed,40's and skatboarding kick ass..but you ggotta understand tht you dont have to stand out in a crowd to be "punk rock"..look at dc,seattle,victoria,vancouver,nyc..all those guys and gals looked pretty much normal..im pretty sure the next all ages show will be my 8 hour extravaganz due for march featuring 12+ bands and by then hopefully people will understand to be a little NICER to the venues and if not they wont be enjoying shows for SOME WHILE,cause there not gonna get let in and probably shit throw at them if anyone wants to help with this mega show contact me,its gonna be expensive but ohhhh soooo fucking sick - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 4:16pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | oh yeah me and mark will no longer be lending are shit,its too much and to hard to bring for nothing in return oh yeah tytyarmyneverdies - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 5:41pm | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | this is so crass - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 5:57pm | ||
| rootsradical User Info... | Umm...andrew you missed my point, my point was THERE IS NO PUNKOMETER, sorry if it seemed I was making the opposite point, scumfuc, im not worrying about liking rancid, Im quite proud of it, I just just didnt want to seem like a kid who only knows rancid but has a mowhawkish thing cuz its "punk-rock".Anyways, elitist suck,nazis suck, drunk elitist nazis suck even more, and being banned from venues sucks too - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 8:08pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | ok....i forgot my mic at the venue( I KNOW IM RETARTED) its a shure mic in perfect condition and if anyone has it i need it back as soon as possible email me [email protected] - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 9:21pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | lol - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:27pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | "some kids at that show were great some headliner muffins really pissed me off" What is a headliner muffin? - Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:43pm | ||
| Indole Derivative User Info... | "And stay the fuck away from my truck I dont care if you are leaning on it or puking on it or what. If I tell you to get away from it then get away from it and dont get mouthy. arrrrrrgh." Jesspsycho: No one got mouthy with you when you SCREAMED at erik (who was dead to the world, basically, and he didnt say a word) to get off your truck. I dragged him down the street, got water and food in him and found him a safe place to sleep and shit, out of the goodness of my heart. And you have the fucking piss to say I was getting mouthy, when I politely nodded and dragged him off? I do so many good deeds yo, I'll get the muthafuckin baby Jesus to come down here and show you whats what if you ever disrespect me while performing said deeds again mafk!. I guess thats your good deed for the day. Do us a favour: You obviously don't like the VSF shows. Don't come. If you come, don't complain. Boohoo y'all, venues come and go, sucks cause sunset was sweet, but you can never take the hooligans out of punk rock, dont even try. I too would like to know what a headliner muffin is. Did the sweathogz bake muffins? "oh yeah me and mark will no longer be lending are shit,its too much and to hard to bring for nothing in return" Tyler thats pathetic. Putting on a show and making a ton of kids nights has always been enough in returning for lending gear and a helping hand. Oh and one more thing- Paul Davidson, born jan 17, 1989, saltspring island. Deceased jan 17, 1994. Dead children. - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 1:11am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | If the Sweathogz baked muffins, the muffins are probably green and fun to eat! :) - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3:12am Edited: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 3:13am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I'D like a punkometer. For sure. - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 7:41am | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | no man headliner muffins are the people who are too cool to see openers than come in when the headliner plays then leaves before they finish. so essentially belive that hanging outside shows is cool...fucing muffins - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 8:40am | ||
| Jesspycho User Info... | ROSS BAY You arent punk enough to have a punk meter. SORRY. - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 2:08pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | lol im the opposite i usualy stay for the first bands and leave b4 the headliner. what's the opposite of a muffin and yes i probably shouldnt qask that question.. - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 7:12pm | ||
| Dave Slaughter User Info... | that would be a doughnut - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 7:31pm Edited: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 7:32pm | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | or a scon or soemthing...i really love scons - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 9:04pm | ||
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| Indole Derivative User Info... | I might be getting a muthafucking caddy coup de ville! 2 grand, lookin at er friday... Heres hopin! - Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:45pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | it'l probably be a piece of shit..make sure you bring a couple paddles. :) - Tue, 30 Jan 2007 5:03pm | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | hahah nice nice..oh yeha if anyone has pictures...... - Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:27pm | ||
| MikeyCade User Info... | If we lose the sunset room, I hate you all, and curse the wrath of Olaz, god of metal on you all. Aside from that, I was at the show, you had a 10(?) year old kid working the door, of course a lot of the drunk kids are going to walk right past. And when no one is trying to enforce any sort of rules, obviously it'll fall apart or get out of hand. Like so many others have said, I don't mind drinking at shows, but either do it before/after and away from the venue. Or in the case when little kids are around, why not just cut back and relax for once. One night of sobriety won't kill you. And lay off the hate for 'poser punks' already. Animosity will not improve the scene. Seriously, Olaz. God Of Metal. Wrath. - Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:12am | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | those are wise words...but i thought thor was the god of metal? - Wed, 31 Jan 2007 7:53am | ||
| rip skinny User Info... | there should be more breasts at shows. so i can feed. - Wed, 31 Jan 2007 9:55am Edited: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 9:55am | ||
| kristian User Info... | are you fucking kidding me dudes! seriously. stop fucking around with venues. forget your pride and if you are putting on a show take some fucking responsibility. if you want to drink at a show, don't organize the show. then do it in your home or your car before the show and don't fucking trash the place. punk rock gets a really bad rep from people fucking around like this. there is nothing punk rock about fucking shit up. it's really just immature and it stops cool and fun things from happening. this is sad - Sat, 3 Feb 2007 1:50am | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... |  I'm really confused now. What do I belive!? time to ask erik and bryce - Sat, 3 Feb 2007 9:14am | ||
| tyler User Info... | dude...fucking shit up rules - Sun, 4 Feb 2007 5:31pm | ||
| darcy User Info... | "im fucking sick of fucking people who come to shows and stand outside get drunk and fuck shit...we spend our time and money to put on shows and all you do is fuck it up..well all i say is fuck you" - tyty "dude...fucking shit up rules" -tyty Don't worry dudes. D'Arcy and Dan TOTAlly have a plan for this... - Sun, 4 Feb 2007 9:05pm | ||
| indole Derivative User Info... | We sure do. - Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:08am | ||
| tyler User Info... | fucking shit up rules - Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:09am | ||
| ScumFucBondage User Info... | yeah shit..fuc yeah fuc shit up. poison idea rules - Mon, 5 Feb 2007 4:12pm | ||
| Indole Derivative User Info... | "There is nothing punk rock about fucking shit up" When did the definition of punk rock change - Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:47pm Edited: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:47pm | ||
| xXxComradexXx User Info... | "Don't break up the fight fighting is metal!" -Said to J. Only at what was almost the last NNB metal show this show did not go bad cause it was PUNX, it whent bad cause there was no organization, the promoter (cordell) was drunk, there was no staffing, no one even said to stop drinking or get off the rocks, and guess what, it is like every other show VSF has put on. Do the work or don't put on shows, thats simple... Wasn't it you cordell who also put on the show that got little fern closed? and wasn't it you cordell who put on the show that got orange hall closed? If there had been people even trying to stop drinking outside the venue, then this would not have happened, even trying to stop people from sitting on the rocks.... And if peoplle won't listen to you telling them what to do, them make it simple for them "if you keep this up the show will be shut down" reallity checks work for me and I am a small guy... or have 3 of yer freinds aproach the fucker and tell em stop or leave. But in this case no one even was trying to get things in check... I showed up and was shocked the show wasn't already shut down. This is not punk rock this is stupidity.... As for anti authoritarians, I am one, and yeah I am an anarchist punk, but breaking shit randomely is not anarcho punk, or anti authoritarian, not listening to your peers is not antiauthoritarian, and fucking shit over for others is authoritarian.... I also don't agree with the statements of racist punk rock and antisemitism... nor the statements of racist blackmetal, as most blackmetal fans, and even many of the norwegion bands reject all that crap as not being black metal in the first place.Norwegion black metal is nationalist, not racist.... The next show I know of (other than HC) is feb 24, and it will be no booze, iskra, leper, self rule, eleutheros, possibly a film, vegan potluck, and possibly blood nasty.... - Thu, 8 Feb 2007 1:43pm | ||
| XY-SAVEDBY HELL User Info... |  The orange Hall crap is what turned me off of all age shows. And no matter how much bag licking your buds add to this post “because all your posts in this section have become a diseased cancer forcing down REAL and NEW show reviews." All advice on here is classified as authoritarian in all of your eyes, because we care or try to tell you you’re fuking things up for the scene . All your nut swinging buds will realize this when there’s fewer all age shows. Really ..? How punk are you then? *Soon to come juvenile insults and blaming others Really you guys get a grip, you’re running out of venues. - Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:00am Edited: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:02am | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | I don't get it, why a pic of blood nasty? - Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:34am | ||
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| ScumFucBondage User Info... | i didnt get fern or orange hall shut down, i've neve rplayed or set up oj hall. and dude yeah that was the shittest show, I didnt organize at all. If yea don't like then geeehd out. I'm pretty over that show now, so yeah...thats all. - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 8:50am | ||
| tyler User Info... | it was liam mckenzie who set up the orange hall show...the funny thing about that is the only reason orange hall got shut down is becuase the floors got overly dirty...that was one of the best shows i have evr played to be honest..so many people were there and it was just a good time,,are there any like big old guys..(when i say this i mean uhh...20's) who would mind helping out at the next all ager myself,mark or cordel puts on? it would probably makes things run alot smoother..and yeah cordel you did get lil fern shut down...welll maybe not you but it happened during a show put on..the one with the horrible band slooth..that show was also really fun..we have a live recording of it..if anyone cares about...we should try little fern again its the best venue wp played 4 or so shows there in like 2 months..it ruled - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:39pm | ||
| indole Derivative User Info... | Uh, unless my memory is as bad as it should be, you closed little fernwood twice, cordell. "I also don't agree with the statements of racist punk rock and antisemitism... nor the statements of racist blackmetal, as most blackmetal fans, and even many of the norwegion bands reject all that crap as not being black metal in the first place.Norwegion black metal is nationalist, not racist...." Why is everyone talking about racism here? Was there intense racism goin on that I was unaware of? "All advice on here is classified as authoritarian in all of your eyes, because we care or try to tell you you’re fuking things up for the scene . All your nut swinging buds will realize this when there’s fewer all age shows. Really ..? How punk are you then? " ALRIGHT... Is it just me , or are there are more all ager punk shows now than I remember a couple years ago? Is it just me or has Cordell and his friends bands been responsible for these new shows (even if, in your eyes, they are detrimental to the scene). There will ALWAYS be more venues. Any school gym can be rented out, most rec centers will rent out a room, etc. etc.Punk rock still happens without a select few venues. Oh, and you seem to imply that if you stop shows from happening, you are not punk. If you put on shows, you are punk. By your logic, Cordell and his friends are currently the punkest punkers in town, as noone puts on as many as them. ON THE OTHER HAND, and this has been my advice for a while, I do believe that the VSF should NOT put on shows at good venues. Try renting out random rec rooms and shit, and rotate venues. If one gets closed down, boohoo, you've got another dozen crapholes that dont mean shit to ya. Oh and to the chick concerned with punk rocks bad rep- Punk rocks had bad rep since it started. It isnt artsy-fag rock. - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 1:03pm | ||
| darcy User Info... | You're not artsy-fag rock! - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 2:16pm | ||
| Dave Slaughter User Info... | hey, im a 'big old guy' by your definition, tyler, and id be down for helping set up a show, but why would my age make it run smoother? - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 3:38pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | hey dan the reason people were talking about racism is not cause there is a bunch of racism in punk rock, but cause some metal head basically made a blanket statement saying there was and we were defending it. Also there is a lot more shows going on then a few years ago, and it aint just cordel, there was a point in history where I have heard about $1 all agers at big fern and black kronstadt shows with 400+ kids showing up, people from vancouver coming over to vic for shows cause our scene rocked... then after that a period where it got to be so there was no shows, only house shows cause no one would rent to punks because of bands and kids that drank and fucked shit up. If venues do get closed down there will be less shows, it becomes more expensive and harder to book shows then... I ran into this recently and I am still fucked for a venue for 1 show I am working on... Give cred where credit is due btw, hate to blow my own horn but when I came to town there was almost no shows, wolf was setting a couple up, but hilside house was the main venue and had just been closed down. Chuck put on shows but not often, and the only shows happening regularilly were the hardcore shows brian was setting up (and others like hari)... I started in december and no one else was doing shows, I did about 2 a month, and eventailly tyler started setting up shows, as did zak, and then cordel, and others, now there is lots. I am not saying I did it all, but I am saying many shows are happening now, and cordel is not the only one setting them up. now between hardcore, crust/anarcho, metal, and punk there is a shitload of shows, but when venues get closed it gets way harder. the sunset room was usually available, and dirt cheap. good all arround venue, my personal fav. others exist, but not as easy to rent, as cheap, or good of location, size, or so on. eg. sunset room rents for $30/hr and you don't pay for clean up time or set up, Big Fern (worst accoustics in town) rents for $200 a night, with a huge DD, and you have to be done by 11pm, plus they are harder to rent cause they have to check if they have staffing... Basically don't shut down more venues, and don't fuck up shows, some times it can't be helped (ocean island simply decided they didn't want punks hanging arround cause it was not the clientell they were wanting). But when it is an issue of not having some onre stopping people from drinking openly in or infront of the doors to a venue durring an all ager.... thats silly, that can be stopped, and they can drink at some park or alley way near by instead and not get the show shut down. Oh and cordel to yer comment of if I don't like it don't come, your actions affect us all not just you. Also for the orange hall I heard some kids broke into the basement room and set off a fire exstinguisher after the show, and that was why the venue was lost. also if some one wants my help I might be able, if you ask before the show, I have helped cordel by doing door before... - Sat, 10 Feb 2007 4:01pm | ||
| ScumFucBondage Manly leo man truck chevy User Info... | yeah man you get cred, but that last show was just b.s. on my part. But now I've kinda gotten over it, and I'm not really in the mind set of "if we bitch at people and talk about how bad everything was than i bet the venue will come back". So fuc it i made a mistake, I'm 15, the venue will come back, go rent some gym. fuc. - Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:52am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | ur 15? id say thats a good age to start promoting shows and playing in a band. - Mon, 12 Feb 2007 5:06pm | ||
| littledina User Info... | hey guys this is jeff's mom and it saddens me that another place is no longer available for shows...i was at that orange hall show with a few friends of mine (Lance and Brenda) and it was pretty crazy - someone had let a smoke bomb off in the basement (really stupid) and unfortunately due to the condition of the floors (we were not supposed to wear shoes) (but we didn't know at the time), few of us adults looked after the cash box, cleaned up the basement...needless to say its not cool to wreck venues for all age shows to be able to perform there... i have been to many all-age shows supporting my son Jeff and his band (ex MBL) and so if you guys need help to have someone be there as an adult (34 almost 35) (LOL) I could do that for you guys - just let Jeff know in advance k? Peace dudes. - Tue, 13 Feb 2007 8:43pm Edited: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 8:44pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | jeff, your mom is cool. And about the whole blanket statement thing. Nazi Punk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk National Socialist Black Metal: http://www.nsbm.org/ And I never said there wasn't nazism in metal did I? I think the first link anyways is an indication that there IS a nazi punk subculture out there. However I stand by what I said, extreme people are attracted to extreme music. - Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:52pm Edited: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:00pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Since I think this thread has pretty much run its course regarding everyone blaming Cordell for Sunset Room being shut down, I just wanted to point out a glaring inaccuracy in Comrade's post a little while back where he stated that nazi black metal bands are considered "not to be real black metal bands" in BM circles. I've spoken with numerous black metal fans both over the internet and in real life and have almost never encountered that sentiment. In fact, bands like Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, Drudkh, Hate Forest, Graveland, Grand Belial's Key, Absurd and so on are among the most popular and acclaimed bands in the genre right now... hell, I even enjoy quite a few of them despite strongly disagreeing with their ideologies, and I've met people who are jewish and still profess their enjoyment of certain NSBM bands. Black metal is a pretty absurd genre though, and I think a lot of people with an interest in it (myself included) have realized that the messages and ideologies contained within are all pretty much completely ridiculous and not really worth taking seriously. Which I guess makes all of this kind of a moot point in the first place, but I just needed to point that out. And... uh... yeah... CORDELL SUCKS 4 GETTIGN SUNSET ROOM CLOZED ROFL - Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:33pm | ||
| Lord Darkith User Info... | I think Black Metal is more of an absurd genre in that its trying to go where no one has gone before as well as being more serious in trying to return Norway to its old ways. For example the sentiment of a wide portion of BM bands is just to return to nature (paganism) and do away with christianity which ruined the land. I guess the whole nationalist part too is returning to the old ways where people are pure and actually norwegian. There are many instances of shock or trying to be the most evil and anti human but in the end BM can be pretty understandable in its message. - Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:48pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | yes rotten jesus on the cross RIGHT NOW! ;) - Wed, 14 Feb 2007 8:24pm | ||
| Leo bondage User Info... | bahahaha I get it! oh get yer asses ready, 50 Calibur Satan is being recorded...starting on friday!!!! - Wed, 14 Feb 2007 9:31pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | Too bad there can't be shows in people's backyards or something.... Or in some random park somewhere, I dunno. old people + loud music= not gonna happen. - Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:38am | ||
| Leo Bondage User Info... | Hey if you had a matinee, you could do someone's backyard and it would be legal, as long as it stops before 11pm then yer good, even in residentital areas. - Sun, 18 Feb 2007 9:33pm | ||
| darcy User Info... | I think once Kate and I looked into it. You're right, you have to finish up before 11pm, but you also need to ket a permit, and I forget how much cash that is. - Mon, 19 Feb 2007 5:13pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | we jam near residential and even if it is before 11 they can still shut you down with a "mischeif" law or something...Then again they havn't bothered us in about a year when we just kept doing it..so you never know. The last time they just barged in and accused us of having a grow op lol. mildew and weed i guess can smell like that. I said "so...what the fuck, you can't just come in herre like that" and then they gave this big bullshit explanation. anywyas..if they want to shut u down they'll find a way. one open bottle of alcohol, one smashed bottle. you know the deal. thge same bullshit maybe a field + generator? - Mon, 19 Feb 2007 7:56pm Edited: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 7:57pm | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | They allow that Elvis impersonator to play on Oak Bay Avenue and I can hear him all the way at Willows beach. Shitty how they can have that noise pollution when they'd shut down a few simple punk bands who wouldn't even be playing all day. It would be so cool to be able to have a show out in a field somewhere. You know, like have a bunch of bands playing all day outdoors. Don't think it would attract many people but it would be cool. Or there could be different genres of music. Like morning- acoustic (or metal if you need a wake-up) etc etc. So many bands could get on the bill. I want to put this on now... newly inspired to do so... Think it would work? It would totally be a cool summer thing... like in June or something... even spring... Anyone know of any fields? haha I need some h to the elp. - Wed, 21 Feb 2007 7:39pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | You could get permits to play an all-afternoon concert somewhere, but not on a guerilla or free basis. It would hafta be a royal-athletic park or something similar. Perhaps you could find a field in Renfrew or some shit, but you'd have a hard time bringing enough people with you. My buds and I once took over the Beacon-Hill bandshell at about dusk. The power was still on (but the lights were not). We used a bunch of candles which I bought at the 7-11 down the street, we must have looked like the Dead or Phish for christ-sake. Anyway, it got dark fast and we can't see 5 meters with candlelight, turns out a bunch of people heard it and almost filled the little section of bealchers in front of the band-shell. When I saw the audience joints/cigarettes leave in a big hurry we knew what was coming. 3 cops responding to neighborhood noise complaints (The cops seemed to wait until 9:01p to start). Since we had NO booze and no (noticeable) pot, we were simply asked to pack up. One guy had to leave a contact name/etc in case there was trouble later. The feasability of a backyard gig totally depends on what municipality or area you live in. Neighbours in sooke do an outdoor dealie every year, goes into the wee hours, and for a bunch of hicks, its pretty fucking loud. . - Wed, 21 Feb 2007 7:51pm Edited: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 7:55pm | ||
| Leo Bondage User Info... | I was acually gonna say you should rent out beacon and get a bunch of bands....or even in the summer find a good house to have a show in or whatever. oh yeah Corporate Cannibal(if any of you people acually remmeber) is getting back together for 1 show in mark's basement! - Sat, 24 Feb 2007 8:26am | ||
| Gman User Info... | "you'd have a hard time bringing enough people with you" You might be surprised. Turn it into an overnight w/camping somewhere in someone's field and you won't have any problem getting a couple hundred out, I guarantee. - Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:59pm | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | most punks like this are trying to be rebellious and different to fit in with their crowd. Throwing bottles, being mouthy and wearing stupid clothes are what make them feel like they are cool and accepted. All ages shows aren't a money maker, it's usually a young promoter that raises some money and puts their ass on the line legally to not break even or just barely. Thanks to you inconsiderate pieces of shit, a basically volunteer program of music for all ages for people to have fun has suffered a loss that it doesn't deserve or can afford. I hope you'll feel like a winner in your lame outfits when you have no shows to go be a jackass at. You guys are so cool, I hope you're happy. Go get a haircut and stop trying to look like a disco ball. - Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:24pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | lol - Tue, 27 Feb 2007 8:44pm | ||
| Kyle User Info... | Nice, down to 3 over priced AA venues, Soo stoked. - Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:26am | ||
| Tyler User Info... | yeah, what is left? Fernwood - semi-expensive and bad sound Gary Oak - not bad I guess? Metro Studio - expensive, I think JBCC - I think maybe only Brian can use that place White Eagle Hall? - probably expensive Pandora Project - HUGE damage deposit Vic Event Center - Expensive on weekends Ministry of Casual Living - shows rarely happen there, small? I guess Conrad has found some other places too, some place on Blanshard, the Jamaican Jerk House, the Ukranian Cultural Center Orange Hall has been shut down and Little Fernwood has tons of restrictions, the Fifty Fifty stopped doing shows, now apparently Sunset Room is wrecked. It sucks because the Sunset Room was cheap, convenient, and a really good size. It was so perfect! Dammit! - Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:10pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | That place on Blanshard is really, really small though. - Wed, 28 Feb 2007 1:49pm | ||
| tyler User Info... |  i dont wanna start beef but like..dont call cordel a peice of shit cause hes put on more shows than you ever have, shit happens so fuck off...this one time me and mark beattie put on a show and made almost 300 bucks so yah...eat it if you dont even come to our shows shut the fuck up ...but come to this show - Wed, 28 Feb 2007 4:16pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Gary Oak Room sounds like ass. The super high ceilings gives it terrible accoustics. - Wed, 28 Feb 2007 9:41pm | ||
| darcy User Info... | Yeah, most venues around here (aside from the bars and clubs) don't sound THAT great. With a good sound guy any venue can sound amazing though. Though, in recent memory, the sounds at the punk party this skafest was rad. Burnside also had some great sound. - Wed, 28 Feb 2007 9:55pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | I forgot to add Visual FXT Studios to that list Garry Oak Room is a lot better than Fernwood in terms of acoustics. Both venues sound best when they are full of people and when sound is done beyond just a vocal PA. - Thu, 1 Mar 2007 1:05am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | i wonder who does cheap sound...? - Thu, 1 Mar 2007 4:59pm | ||
| darcy User Info... | Justin Longpre,,mostly because he has the gear, but not REALLY how to use it for a show. Oh, and pretty much just random people who have the equipment. It's worth it to wait the extra month and go for big sound. - Thu, 1 Mar 2007 6:55pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | Studio FXTC also is expensive, and has a rep for fucking people over by pulling out at last minute... as for cheap sound, your looking @ 200 for a full sound system. and the place on blanshard may be small, but it sounded great and was perfect for a show that size, honestly I loved it. Over packed venues are my fav, part of why I love basement shows, and hate stadiums... - Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:45pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | garry oak room sounds fine to me..and it rules as a venue - Fri, 2 Mar 2007 2:29pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | This is Tyler posting on my friend's account but about sound, Nev charges $200 for a full sound system, including the PA and mic stands and operating and mixing and everything. Matt Morrison can do it to, with Nev's stuff, as part of the same group or whatever. It works out pretty well but I think next time I put on an all ages show, I'll just try to borrow a friend's PA for the vocals and have the band just play through their amps. I lost money on my last show and if I had not opted for the $200 sound fee, I could have been in the clear and paid the bands. As for Garry Oak, yeah it does sound okay provided there are a bunch of bodies in the room. I'm kind of bummed out how wide it is, I don't know why, hardcore shows don't really work amazingly in that place. There's some sort of stand-around vibe that Gary Oak gives off. - Fri, 2 Mar 2007 8:41pm Edited: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 8:43pm | ||
| tobaccoian User Info... | maybe the "headliner muffins" stayed outside because the openers werent any good. you cant rag on people for not liking your band - Sun, 4 Mar 2007 8:09pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | lol we all know y ur raggin too ian ;) - Sun, 4 Mar 2007 9:21pm Edited: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 9:21pm | ||
| tobaccoian User Info... | somehow a period joke just seems so pointless if your nuts havent dropped yet - Tue, 6 Mar 2007 8:53am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | did you say something about wanting to gargle my balls? - Tue, 6 Mar 2007 4:51pm Edited: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 6:44pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | i meant that the reason ur giving the bands a hard time (raggin) is cause ur band got shit on so much. it had nothing to do with periods. sorry about the confusion...and..thanks.....? - Tue, 6 Mar 2007 7:01pm Edited: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 7:18pm | ||
| tobaccoian User Info... | im not raggin on anybody, im just saying, why label someone who came to a show and didnt watch every band? everyones free to make their own choices. just because someone doesnt like your band does that make them a "headliner muffin", or is that just not "punx" enough? - Tue, 6 Mar 2007 8:37pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | yea dude of couse it isnt PUNX enough. PUNX UNITE!! - Tue, 6 Mar 2007 8:51pm Edited: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 3:51pm | ||
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