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| _Griphin_ User Info... |  http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/2006527&category=strings-guitar - Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:29pm | ||
| camm User Info... | its cheap because its an epiphone... - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:00am | ||
| Jrock313 User Info... | hahaha epiphones.. i'll trade you a bag of guitar picks for one.. seems like a good deal. i might throw in a pack of strings. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:06am | ||
| Kaleb User Info... | Epiphone does make some damn nice guitars, and yes other models of theirs are quite cheap in quality. IT'S CALLED "BUILDING FOR BUDGETS" PEOPLE!! Not every "basement rock star" can run out and buy a Gibson or a PRS. Wake up. I could've bought a cheaper model of Epiphone than I did, but it cost me under $700 brand new with a hardcase and for that price range, it's a friggin' good sounding, easily playable and VERY reliable guitar. Mine is up for sale but only because I bought it, improved my playing and then made better money so I'm selling it because I think I've "earned" a higher end guitar. Am I gonna run out and buy a Gibson? No. There are still higher end guitars that sound and play wicked that don't have the "GIBSON" price tag. If you've been playing guitar for 400 years and your SO GOOD you should stop wasting your time knocking decent, lower priced guitars and kiss the ass of your Gibson sponsors. However if you have a few smarts and can't afford to go drop $1200 MINIMUM BEFORE TAXES on a new Gibson, than a DECENT Epiphone is a very good choice for beginner's and intermmediate level guitarists. Do you know how many guitarists I know that have bought really high end and super pricey guitars only to sit there and think to themselves, "Why aren't I better?" GET REAL. By a decent guitar(like a mid-line EPI) and get REALLY F#CKIN' GOOD at playing, and when you can finally afford it without financing your life away at 24% interest at L@M(like half of Victoria) then by all means, go for it. JUST REMEMBER: Because you happen to be GOD and OWN a REAL GIBSON, it doesn't mean every other guitar below what you paid sucks. Cheers, Kaleb. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 6:47am | ||
| Rawb User Info... | My main guitar is a Gibson SG 90 Double. (1986) it's a phenominal guitar. That said, just about any new Epiphone I've played in the last 6 years matches or BEATS any new Gibson SG I've tried during the same time period. Just cuz it's got a certain name on it doesn't mean shit. You've gotta try it to know. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 9:03am | ||
| Kaleb User Info... | AMEN Rawb! Thank you for the words of wisdom. ROCK! Cheers, Kaleb. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 9:21am | ||
| colin sic User Info... | The Epi SG is a rocking guitar. We sell them at LM music all the time. They are about $370 brand new. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 9:29am | ||
| bones User Info... | Guitarists can be strange with brand name loyalty and so on. Like all products you don't necassarily get what you pay for. Gibson is the most obvious culprit in my mind. I've picked up so many high priced Gibsons that play like a hockey stick and have finishing flaws etc., but there are those out there that just gotta own one. I have an Epi '56 Goldtop. $650 and I get nothing but compliments on its tone from other musicians everytime I play it. In fact I know someone who has a "real" '56 Goldtop and I was jamming with him awhile back and he looked at my guitar and just shook his head and said he should get one because it sounded so good. He pays more in insurance on that guitar every year than I paid for my guitar. And his insurance doesn't cover his guitar if he takes it out of the house. Times have changed in the guitar world in my opinion. A few years ago alot of crap was coming out of the Orient. Not so anymore. I suggest shifting your loyalty away from brand names and toward any guitar that plays well, sounds good and fits your budget. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:31am Edited: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:32am | ||
| Rawb User Info... | Hey Bones! Speaking of my guitar- That Bill Lawrence pick-up I bought off of you is ridiculous! I love this thing! The best thing to happen to my tone since buying the Mesa. Such clarity and bite. It cuts through everything in the muddiest of mixes. Thank you so much for selling it to me. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:19am | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | My sis had that exact Epiphone SG, hers was $250 new so it might have been different but it played really well. I have a $525 Ibanez RG that plays only a bit better than it. Really impressive playabilty for the price, same with Ibanez IMHO. The pickups aren't amazing but if it picks something up, thats all a beginner/intermediate guitarist needs to be concerned with right? - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:30pm Edited: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:31pm | ||
| Buddy User Info... | I've been amazed by the quality of these new entry level guitars! The asians have the same CnC machines as Gibson and Fender, so why not? I love my '67 SG, but if I had to buy it over again I wouldn't. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:44pm | ||
| bones User Info... | Hey Rawb. I'm glad I could help you out. I think they're great pickups too. Just another example of what this post has been about. How many Duncan/Dimarzio players out there have even looked beyond simply jumping on the band wagon and in my opinion you're largley paying for a name. We're so easily hypnotized. Many pickup manufacturers exist that sell they're products for way less and the quality is as good and often better than the 'names'. Same deal as guitars. A musician gets his picture in an ad in Guitar Player using some brand of gear that was given to him free from the manufacturer, claims that it's what makes 'his sound', we believe it, have to have it, can't afford it etc. etc. Meanwhile rock star leaves the photo shoot, throws the guitar in a closet and continues playing the gear that he actually loves playing and actually records with. The mythology that we guitar players buy into sometimes is staggering. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:53pm Edited: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:56pm | ||
| laprider User Info... | Good point Bones....I just picked up the $50 junior that was on here. Its for my Daughter, its a great guitar, put some new tuners on it and Paint it hot opink and its good to go. I know way way back when I was a tween I sure couldn't find anything like this for fifty bux, I remember my first sears catalog silvertone with pain> - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 5:56pm | ||
| bones User Info... | I say "if the wood is good" everything else is replaceable. I also have an Ibanez semi-hollow that was under $400 bucks and it's great. Could use better pickups which is fine. If you don't get hypnotized into believing that Duncan's or Fralin's etc. are your only viable choice, you can upgrade for minimal dough with something like Bill Lawrence p/u's mentioned above. I'm gonna put a Bigsby on it and away I go. I think this is an amazing time for guitar buying if you're actually willing to stray from the big name mythology. My experience is whether you're looking at Gibson, Fender, PRS, Ibanez, Epiphone, Hagstrom or whatever it's always on a guitar by guitar basis. Even looking at high priced Gibsons you still typically have to go through quite a few to find one that 'sings'. It's also my observation that many people who buy expensive gear do it simply because they can(money earned from non-musical work) and not because it is a measure of their level of musicianship. Owning name brand gear is not evidence of musical ability. - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 6:32pm Edited: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 6:44pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I don't play guitar, and I'd LOVE to have an SG, they make trippy looking bass guitars that sound awesome. C'mon people, it must be nice going broke owning Marshall stacks and guitars that cost far too much loot, I've always said cheap equipment is always better. In any case, it's all to do with what pedals you use, the sound the guitar makes is secondary right?!? - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 7:41pm Edited: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 7:42pm | ||
| jonny B. swell User Info... | I've got an epi studio firebird that sets things on fire it sounds so good. I've played some shitty epiphones and some good ones, but if you keep looking you can easily find one that sounds great. On that note, anyone want to buy an epiphone lucille? - Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:17pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Mmmmm.... EPI, I own the 1200 series speakers they came out with 20+ years ago, those are awesome! - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:03am | ||
| Jrock313 User Info... | As much as i like to bash EPIs, it is true... only difference between an epi and a gibby is first of all the brand name and the nice case that you get with a Gibson.. and after that its just the cut of wood. However more dryer or using a bigger piece of wood to get that cut across the grain for the necks. It makes it a bit more stabler and won't warp in the long run but either then that basis is still there and construction isn't going to be THAT much worse, you can find really shitty gibsons out there and you can find really great epi's out there. If it feels good.. you can make it sound good. Sustain?.. sustain pedal.. Your amp can make a huge difference the pickups etc.. machine heads. - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:08am | ||
| Sweet-Buckles User Info... | BUY MY EPIPHONE LES PAUL CUSTOM, $400, comes with hardshell case, purple and black or black and orange apex stand (your choice), patch cable, and free Ibanez Stereo-Chorus pedal....goin once....goin twice.... - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:21am | ||
| jonny B. swell User Info... | hey sweet buckles, trade you my epiphone lucille for your les paul+pedal? You might have an easier time selling the lucille, and you might be able to fetch a bit more for it. - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 5:38pm | ||
| Dick Tater User Info... | Like my dad told me when I was young, if you like the way the guitar sounds and like the way it plays thats all that matters, price is really not an issue - Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:06pm | ||
| Sweet-Buckles User Info... | johnny email me, i wanna take a look. [email protected] - Sat, 14 Oct 2006 4:17pm | ||
| hoffa User Info... | Don't get me wrong these could be reasonable purchases therefore I hate to wade in on this but I have to cut through some of the misinformation. There are vast differences between Epis and Gibsons. Some specific Epiphones like the Casino and Emperor can be truly fine guitars. All the Epi budget versions of Gibson classics are shit. They are better than Hondos, Aria Pros and other such budget junk from Asia but actaully do not compare to the real deal. I visited the Gibson plant in Memphis and they don't make Epis there, those are made overseas cheaply. Gibson's new quality control is very stringent. They told me that pick guard was installed on the wrong side of an es335 so they destroyed the whole body and neck and do not offer factory seconds. I own an Epi Flying V and it has some very poor workmanship. After some aggressive negotiating I only paid $400 new from the store, I thought I was being sneaky because it was made of Korina wood just like the Gibsons. All I had to do was replace some hardware and voila. Well, the pickguard is cut poorly, the machine heads are drilled in an asymmetrical pattern. The bridge was mounted in a totally unstable manner. My friend who is a luthier and guitar builder told me that they are glued from multiple pieces and veneers resulting in poor resonance. Gibson Vs are 2 "wings" on a central piece connecting to the neck (less pieces). I ended up replacing the machine heads, the bridge pickup, the nut, the bridge, jack and all the pots. The Epi pots are only 250k where as on Gibsons they are 500k. Add to that a fret dressing and a custom circuit to avoid treble roll-off and my great deal isn't such a deal. I'm into it for around $900 and I could never sell it for anything because it's still an Epiphone made by some guy being paid by the piece to crank them out. Epiphone Les Pauls, Firebirds, Juniors, SGs etc. are deliberately made from inferior woods even when it could be cheaper in some cases to use the same woods as Gibsons. This is so they don't undercut the actual Gibsons. They aren't fools, they wouldn't be competing with themselves on price points AND quality. Don't kid yourselves. If you have an Epi and it's all you can afford and your happy, fine, enjoy. Don't tell anyone that there is no appreciable difference between the 2 brands though. Play more guitars and find out. I own a real Gibson Les Paul and a Gibson Les Paul Junior and that Epiphone V so I know, I found out my own truth. That said, if you can afford it and it makes you happy, buy it. - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 2:37pm Edited: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 3:33pm | ||
| Kaleb User Info... | To say that EVERY Epiphone version of a Gibson classic is "shit" is a little over the top. So you had a bad experience with an Epiphone V. Then you keep dumping money into it to make it more like a higher end Gibson. So why the hell did you even bother buying an Epiphone in the first place? That's ONE guitar made by Epiphone. Do you think if they had 5 of the same models in at once that EVERY single one would have all the same problems and issues that you had with yours? Doubtful. I'm sure there's more than a few "bad tasting" Gibsons out there with those "It's a GIBSON and you'll pay dearly just because it says that" price tags. There's bad "high end" guitars out there from all the "big guys"; Gibson, Ibanez, Jackson etc...... I agree, an Epiphone is not a Gibson, so what? Why compare apples to oranges? Read the above posts by some owners that REGRETTED buying over-the-top priced Gibsons and are very happy with Epiphones they bought for significantly less than half the price. Cheers:) Kaleb. - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 4:18pm | ||
| bones User Info... | In principle I agree with Hoffa and his comments on the construction, wood and electronics quality in a Gibson as opposed to an Epi. However what is not accounted for is that mystery element that can somehow take all those seperate things that seem so wrong and it all combines into something great. Conversely all the 'right' things can wind up sounding like poop. Like many Fenders and Gibsons I have played. The "it looked good on paper" phenomenom. Perhaps the odds are greater of finding a great sounding Gibson as compared to an Epi, but there is no guarantee. Your discription of all the things that are wrong with your Epi V kind of reminds me of the vintage instrument market. It would take alot of beer to convince me that simply because a Gibson or Fender was made in 50's, 60's or 70's it was somehow mystically imbued with superior qualities that are worth paying tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for. That being said I do think many vintage instruments have a tonal quality that I like that is lacking in many guitars being made today. There are all kinds of possible reasons why. Interestingly enough I have read many comments from modern guitar makers who say that guitars today are made much better, at least in terms of consistency from guitar to guitar. So why do so many vintage guitars sound so good? Another example of the whole being greater than the parts? - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 6:55pm Edited: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 6:57pm | ||
| Wake the Dead User Info... | GIbson are making more affordable guitars now, I've seen a double cutaway les paul for just uner 900, some epi's you pay more for..and epiphone are making those really stupidtly expensive ones now too, I've owned a PRS that didnt cost ,me over 800, and I just traded in my epi 335, which was a great guitar, but I traded for a gibson 333, and I compaired them both through the same amp, and for me, I found the gibson to be a more comfortable guitar to play, and i found the stock pickups sounded better than the seymore duncans in the epi... but its all personal preference, and in a way, Gibson is kind of the Harley Davidson of guitars... you do pay alot for the name.. but you are also getting a damn fine piece of equipment. - Tue, 17 Oct 2006 9:25pm | ||
| hoffa User Info... | God please make it stop. Kaleb no reason to be so defensive. I'm not attacking you personally. As I said If you like it buy it. I'm sharing factual information to uninformed consumners not just emotionally arguing a conviction. All the facts I listed are true, search the web and see. I am lucky I paid modest prices for my Gibsons. As for Epiphones I listed the Casino and Emperor as fine guitars. I work very close to a music store and I check out guitars all the time on my lunch and have for years finding the Epihone Les Pauls are inferior. Does that mean people who buy them are stupid? No. Does that mean they no nothing about guitars? No. It's what they can afford we know that. Remember I'm not the one who started comparing apples and oranges on this post. No need to get wound-up over a discussion of facts. - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 9:31am | ||
| Kaleb User Info... | HOFFA: I didn't take it persoanlly. I'm not a representative for Epiphone or sponsored by them. I just stated my opinion. Done. My comments were based on facts as well. I just felt compelled to say something when you called EPI's "shit". That's not a fact, it's your opinion, that's all. Trust me I'm not "wound up". I just like to voice my opinions too. Nuff said. For the record, I agree......LET THIS THREAD DIE ALREADY!!!! It's become the over-milked cow(wow, that was a crappy analogy). Cheers, Kaleb. - Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:51pm | ||
| jonny B. swell User Info... | .....buy my epi - Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:30am | ||
| BigJuicyBlackhawk User Info... | The main issue I have with the Epi's is that when you stand too close to a cranked Marshall stack, the pickups squeal, but it's not a good squeal. Not like open string feedback. You can fix it by taking the pickups out and immersing them in molten beeswax (so said Eddie Van Halen in some interview). I have personally used molten paraffin, as it's more available. I am not shitting you. This is a good way to make inexpensive pickups behave more like their costlier counterparts. It immobilizes the inner windings of the coils so they don't rattle around, so the theory goes. Prob'ly void your warranty, tho. - Fri, 20 Oct 2006 8:37pm | ||
| Sweet-Buckles User Info... | damn, selling an epi is harder than sellin a loonie for a five dollar bill. - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:33am | ||
| Sweet-Buckles User Info... | If you buy my epiphone les paul custom, with hardshell case, apex stand, patch cables, and ibanez stereo-chrous for $400. I will be your friend :D. come on i need some moolah to feed my robot family. and they only eat the finest platinum, do you have any idea how much platinum is!?!?! - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:36am | ||
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