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| ML7Mike User Info... | http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=07b42801-f728-414e-a325-f32fd76006e3&k=84548 An Esquimalt man, caught in a case of mistaken identity, is feeling partly vindicated after a provincial court judge dismissed a charge against him for obstructing justice. Now, Jayson Bitz, 24, is waiting to see what happens to his complaint against the Victoria police officers, who Bitz maintains beat him badly enough to give him a concussion when they made the July 29, 2005, arrest. B.C. provincial court Judge Robert Higinbotham, in a decision made public on Monday, dismissed the case against Bitz after hearing two constables stopped him on Bay Street near Tyee Road in the late afternoon when one mistook him for a prohibited driver. According to evidence supplied by police in court, Bitz became angry and abusive when police failed to provide him with a good reason for pulling him over. Finally he swore and accelerated away from the officers to park in a nearby lot where police arrested him. Higinbotham wrote police could have defused the situation by telling Bitz the truth, intimating they could even have apologized. Instead the officers made the situation worse by making up phoney reasons for pulling him over. One told Bitz he was pulled over because he was a man driving a car registered to a woman. Then his partner made things worse by deciding at that point to notice a crack in the windshield and implied that was reason enough to stop Bitz. Richard Neary, Bitz's lawyer, successfully argued the officers had no just cause to detain Bitz once they realized their initial mistake. Not allowing him to go on his way made it an arbitrary detention and a violation of Bitz's constitutional rights. Neary said in a Monday telephone interview, evidence of the beating Bitz maintains he received at the time wasn't entered into court once the constitutional argument was successful. But he confirmed Bitz has filed an official complaint with Victoria police. Bitz said on Monday that, when he was originally pulled over, the officers insisted they didn't need a reason to stop him. After several requests, Bitz said he grew frustrated and swore. Then, because he wasn't safely pulled far enough off the road he drove along and parked in a nearby lot and turned off the engine. When the officers showed up, one pulled him out of the car slammed him face first into the concrete and put him in handcuffs. Another two police officers came along and one of them joined in beating Bitz, while the fourth just stood by. Bitz said his face was slammed several times into the concrete. There were blows to his ribs and the back of his head. He ended up with a black eye, bruises and a concussion. "I didn't even get a chance to say anything," said Bitz. "I actually had a concussion so bad my doctor even told me not to sleep for a day." He said he has laid a complaint with the Victoria Police Department over his treatment and there may be a civil action. Whats with these cops anyhow.. I was at a party a few weeks ago and one of three cops who responded was downright insane. He kept whispering to his partners that he was 'gonna clear out this party no matter what' even though it was all adults and not rowdy in the least. The other two cops wanted to leave but the one crazy cop insisted he was gonna start busting heads ( I heard him say it!) Finally someone told him there were some media people at the party and so he promptly left hehe. His partners were already out in their cars, probably talking about what a lunatic this one cop was. Then theres the few cops who still try and come by the Esquimalt jamspots and hand out noise complaints, even though its an industrial zone and the city have told them time and time again they have no jurisdiction, they still insist on coming there and trying to intimidate musicians and their friends with threats of jail, drunk tank etc. People who have actually gotten noise tickets have them thrown out by Esq. City Hall, but meanwhile the Victoria police who go there act like complete dicks sometimes.. in a neighbourhood full of junkies and meth freaks. A few weeks ago there, after we finally got it through to the cops that they had no right to tell us to turn it down and go home, the cop said "See you in two weeks assholes!" and burned rubber out of the parking lot. Another intimidation tactic I guess, but all he got was Heckle and Jekyll laughing at them from the landing :D Ok, maybe Im just ranting, but some of the cops in this city are absolutely fucked towards regular people, and then they wonder why people get beligerant towards them. - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:53am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I'm glad a lack of just cause case has ended up this way. Sometimes that shit never ends with the cops never admitting they had no right to apprehend. Recently decades have seemed like ANY reason is a reason to apprehend. - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 1:14pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | I seen lots of this shit... At tent city, two cops came down one morning and started actually telling people to get jobs and that we were just lazy and stuff, whether thats what they think dose not matter, this was like they were looking for trouble. One night there too, a cop came up to a group of people arround a legal fire pit (we checked into what was legal) and sprayed a fire exstiguisher right into the center of the group to put out the fire... I have seen way worse too... After tent city they started beating up people that had nothing to do with our campain, that were sleeping under bushes and such, and then telling them it was cause we did tent city that they were beating the guys up. This shit dose not just happen here either, I seen it in edmonton too a lot... I saw 2 cops arrest some guys for fighting, and as they walked away with the guys towards their cars, one cop all of a sudden kicked out the feet of his captive, and slammed him to the ground, so the other cop slammed his captive to a near by brick wall... I was with a kid one day when he was told by a cop he couldn't sit on a bench, and he arguesd, and the cop told him "you wanna finish this in the alley way"... - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 5:26pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | The problem is cops are people too. Most are good, some are not. It takes a certain personality type to want to be a cop in the first place. They either want to help society or control it. Not trying to defend them, but they work twelve hour shifts and deal with some real ass holes. Unfortunately it doesn't take much to get a job as a city cop, mostly RCMP rejects. There have been cops on roids, etc. Once your in a situation with the cops, your not gonna win. You might be in the right, but until your in a court room it isn't gonna do you any good to throw a temper tantrum and start swearin at em, and tearing off to park somewhere else. If you want to stand up to the man, go for it, but don't expect them to respond civily. - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 5:38pm | ||
| Mace User Info... |  Another Burger King ad campaign: http://www.coqroq.com/ No Answers yet in police shooting Vern Faulkner Victoria News Answers to why Victoria police shot an unarmed man last autumn should be ready soon. Victoria police spokesperson Insp.Les Sylven said the external review into a Sept. 10th, 2005 incident in Esquimalt awaits the finding of a Vancouver expert. Sylven said the report should be "sometime in the next month or so." An unidentitified 25-year-old man (*Daniel Hammond) was shot in the abdomen- apparently by Victoria police Constable Mike Miller- as Miller and Constable Clarke Dumont wrestled the the agitated man at the corner of Macaulay Street and Esquimalt Road. The victim, whose name has not been released, (Macen posts persons name above*) suffered serious but non life-threatening wounds and later released from hospital. The victim was unarmed, according to police. Before the shooting, the victim demonstrated signs of mental illness, and critics questioned why police did not call the region's integrated mental health team, a specialized unit created to deal with mental health issues. Creation of the emergency mental health team followed a pair of high profile incidents involving men suffering acute mental health episodes. West Shore RCMP gunned down Joseph Pagnotta in February, 2004, during a standoff fuelled by Pagnotta's addiction to cocaine and deteriorating mental health. Six months later, a Saanich police officer (Constable Chris Dukeshire) shot and killed Majencio Camaso, who also struggled with mental illness and had stopped taking his medication shortly before the tragic incident. Public inquests into the two shootings called for the integration of plain-clothes police officers into emergency mental health services and greater education on mental health issues for police officers. Before the Sept. 10 confrontation with police, the victim was involved in a dispute with staff at the McDonald's next to the Archie Browning Sports Centre. After he was barred, from the restaurant, the agitated man punched on the restaurant's doors and window, then allegedly kicked and punched vehicles in the adjacent parking lot. The man then made his wasy east on Esquimalt Road, where he was later shot. Port Moody police Chief Paul SHrive is in charge of the external investigation. This week, Shrive called the investigation a "fairly straightforward file." and said he expects the finding of a use-of-force expert "any time soon." Once completed, the report will be made available to the public and media, Shrive declared. "This will be about as transparent as it comes." [email protected] ___________________________________________ Oddly, just two weeks before Daniel Hammond, freaked out over his order of freedom fries... Sounds like, 'chicken', tastes like 'chicken,' but do you actually think, it IS chicken? http://www.coqroq.com -------------------------------------------- Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject: Curly Fries... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unrelated last week a male described in his mid-30's in his vehicle- as described by last Thurs. or Friday's paper gets out of his car then stops traffic on Upper Quadra Street attacking, punching and kicking cars and passengers.. In Victoria. WTF? The news (link) story doesn't show here- as described in Today's Victoria Times Colonist Newsprint, 'McDonald's staff said the man who approached them at the counter was demanding, the Staff make him- Curly Fries'. I dunno.....? Maybe he was saying 'Chicken Fries'.... http://www.coqroq.com - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 7:37pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | MMMMMMMmmmmmm... chicken fries. Never had em, but boy I bet they're tastey! - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 7:46pm | ||
| Mace User Info... |  I mean anything beats the piss out of fucking as many McDonald's that are located in Victoria. Alzu's that terrorist named, 'latenight breakfast hangout place' is there now instead. Alzullah Hackbar! - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 7:56pm Edited: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 7:57pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | "ring a bell and I'll salivate" - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 8:04pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | What, are you high? BNL? WTF? - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 8:10pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | "High", who me? Never. Mmmmmmm... chicken fries, drool. - Tue, 22 Aug 2006 9:15pm Edited: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 9:15pm | ||
| lauren a User Info... | that commercial is on like every two seconds. - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:22am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | http://thatvideosite.com/view/2680.html - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:30am | ||
| Mace User Info... | ...Oy Gevalt!.... http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2748447830672822788&q=police+brutality - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 8:49pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8297574364836044520&q=burger+king+commercials - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 9:06pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | http://thatvideosite.com/view/2408.html - Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:51pm | ||
| J User Info... | lol... tent city was a joke and that's about as far as it went. - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 8:57am | ||
| Nit! User Info... | VPD – Brings to mind the name Constable Greg Shaw. We’ve met twice; resulting in two complaints against him. The first complaint and resultant mediation wasn’t enough for this guy to remember me or be smart enough not to try to intimidate me again. Oh no, he calls me up on behalf of a lying, cheating coward (to afraid to speak for himself) and starts with same old bullying tactics again. Complaint number two – bias/unprofessional conduct etc. So officially, said coward needs to find a new guy to listen to his unfounded accusations; if anyone else will. Or accept responsibility for his actions instead of blaming a girl for calling his bluff – what a concept! Though I have to say through these incidents I’ve learnt a lot about police procedure and have met a very good Internal Affairs Sergeant, a pretty good Internal Affairs Sergeant, another very polite/professional officer, as well as a very nice Freedom of Information Commission Portfolio Officer. Anyway, look out for Shaw: he used to be one of the defunct Esquimalt force. I guess you can take the man away from the corrupt environment, but you can’t take the corruption out of the man? - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 2:13pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | "Okay, buddy, up against the wall!, keep your hands where I can see 'em, 'just want to see what's in your pockets here, nothing in there that's sharp that's going to cut or 'prick me'?" (The Pigs will almost always ask any decent Citizen if there's 'a needle' in your pants.) I say, 'Yes,' I usually, tell them- "There's a Venomous Snake in my pants- who will bite you, if you touch him."- Nit!(Quote): I guess you can take the man away from the corrupt environment, but you can’t take the corruption out of the man? Don't you mean Pig? In case you don't know there happens to be women, out there, who don't think that ALL men are pigs?! A far from how most of us in detail would love to hear about the finer portion of what actually took place, I have a few of my own... However, this Shaw, I couldn't be botherer nor careless, about to keep a 'look out for,' oOOh I'm scared....! I'll tell you right now, that the guy without his badge, is probably no-tougher than the next person out there. Estimated that 75% plus, of all Police Officers registered in police outfits across Canada, have no more than a 7th Grade level (I.Q.) if give an Intelligence Quotient exam. The other 25%- "Graduated from High School" - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 4:57pm Edited: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 4:58pm | ||
| Brumy User Info... | haha i wanna be a cop!!! - Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:34pm | ||
| Nit! User Info... | Mace, you're a little defensive about how women see men. Could this be from personal experience of being hated by women? Don't bloody over-react. Sometimes a word is just a word. Man = singular, describing the particular man referenced. Not the "MAN" or whole freaking gender. Get over yourself. People aren't always talking about you. I wasn't. - Mon, 28 Aug 2006 2:38pm | ||
| Chuck User Info... | So you wanna be a cop? so you wanna be on the top arrestin and shootin' all the kids on the block incarcerate the youth of the next generation and you get the high fives at the police station so you wanna wear blue and prey on the people go above the constitution where all men are equal beat down the poor, the working class core your a class trading motherfucking rich man's whore 'cuz it's a thin blue line between the love and the hate if you so choose to cross it you're a nazi for the state your injustice will crush us, the precious the few so you wanna be a killer for the red white and blue you're a bitch to the crown keep your own people down you've got nothing to protect but you're keeping the sect for your own damn brothers you got no respect and the killing won't stop when you become a cop * the worlds getting madder and it ain't gonna stop it's an uphill battle all the way until we reach the top you got an answer in your holster and no question to kill you got a vision for society and it's your will even the summer sun can't make this situation light you've got the upper hand in a war when you take away our arms and our means to fight so you wanna be a cop? you never stop with your wicked guns going pop after 41 shots your grinning in the donut shop your sickening behavior regulates this society and musters all the sickness & hatred inside of me so you wanna wear blue? well you're just the type got an chip on your shoulder and an itch for a gripe standing on a raft in an ocean of blood but you're doin the killing and causing the flood how can we tolerate this mad abuse of power? you think a cop is never psycho till he stabs you in the shower choking v morning g L.O.C we never stop and your death'll be sweet if ya wanna be a co they say the sea is green and the sky is blue and thats about right because we're below you you cop an extra attitude when you come down my block so you wanna be a cop? * the worlds getting madder and it ain't gonna stop it's an uphill battle all the way until we reach the top you got an answer in your holster and no question to kill you got a vision for society and it's your will] even the summer sun can't make this situation light you've got the upper hand in a war when you take away our arms and our means to fight -LOC - Mon, 28 Aug 2006 7:46pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Nit! (Quote:) Don't bloody over-react. Sometimes a word is just a word - Wed, 30 Aug 2006 5:09pm | ||
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| trevor corey User Info... | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciBSwHiSQko - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:04am | ||
| Mace User Info... |  "I'm going to tase, you... Step out of the car or I'm going to tase you." (Interpretting 'tase'= piglatin for 'TASER') The officer states, that the woman took a swing at the other officer? He probably, went to grab her to pull her out of the vehicle, then McNevin, while she was distracted and swashing away the other police officer. Is when she, got, hit by the 'Taser'. Seeing how, the short pretence of the entire word, 'Taser', is used in it's shortened term, that this officer, is refering to his full experience and usuage of Tasering people, has narrowed the word, down to a 'T'. "Yo! Biatch, now yous best don't want me ta go usin' da' 'T' word onz ya'!" - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:43am | ||
| Mace User Info... | Not, only does the approaching Officer state that the woman had taken a swing, that after the Tasering had taken its affect on this woman, not once, but twice, after in which she was helped to stand, by both Officers, that the Officer told her afterward, that she was being arrested for- driving with a suspended license. (before they Tasered-zed-zed-zed-ed 'Zapped her'-) None, of which made itself audibly present- in any part of this -vocal content- till after she was apprehended. That, neither of the asshole Officers involved- their approachment to the Driver of the Vehicle stated that was what she was being arrested for... ALthough, this situation was posted all over the internet in police chat room forums, none of which more that a few people have sided with the woman, and the rest, (mostly cops themselves trolling the internet) going.... "I told you so... She should have listened..." FUCXKING DEGENERATE SCUZZBALLZ IS WHAT!!!(The majority) - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 2:07pm Edited: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 2:09pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | A follow up of opinions on an internet blog.. http://www.macewan.org/2005/05/28/officer-rich-mcnevin-tasers-a-girl - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 2:16pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Fantastic dialogue, nice comments Macewan. You can see by the majority of responses in favor of officer mcnevin what a bunch of fucked up sheep society is. Most people would never treat a dog the way he treated her. But still, right or wrong, once your in a situation with the cops, you can't win. Unless of course you are Mickey Knox, just a natural born killa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25L_cjTU4LM&mode=related&search=Natural%20Born%20Killers%20riot%20scene - Sun, 3 Sep 2006 8:46pm Edited: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 2:46am | ||
| Mace User Info... | You're the one who lead me to the off-shoot of this abuse of police authority, although, I think it would be good to keep this Macewan thing going.. I wonder if this woman is named anywhere (I haven't been able to find yet) that she could turn around and sue, this degenerate cop? - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 7:08pm | ||
| Deitrosity User Info... | do what ever we want, sure we have guns! No one will resist and if they do we can kill them then say they had it coming for a reason wich uh wait mmmm donut oh ya we'll think of that later. Happens all the time. I hate it when they pull ya over for going like 5 over the limit but to do it they u-turn drive through 5 lanes of traffic then park on they road and block the road were people who actually have shit to do are trying to get by! ASSHOLES - Mon, 4 Sep 2006 8:37pm Edited: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 8:37pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Ian Bush shot in the back of the head by a Houston R.C.M.P. Officer, who by all means~ (fucken lyin' coward pig murderer!) was cleared of any wrong- doing in Ian Bush's death. I hope the family of this person (Ian Bush) appeals the courts decision. Shot in the back of the head? "Turn around punk, or I'm gonna' shoot you in the back of yer head!" *BLAMMO!! http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2006/09/05/bc-ian-bush.html?ref=rss http://huntershack.org/nucleus/index.php?itemid=264 - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:55pm Edited: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:56pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy9cxxDQkRU&mode=related&search= or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB2U2bwqaWY&NR or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJLrjsdaio&NR - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 1:58pm | ||
| Jeremy Baker User Info... | I was walking down Yates on Tuesday to the Lion Thief show and there were a couple of Vic's finest standing at Government and Yates and as I walked by, they said, "Good evening." And I was like... wha? - Thu, 7 Sep 2006 2:46pm | ||
| Mace User Info... |  _____________________________________ Apparently a couple of the new 'Integrated Police Force' beat the living piss out of some 'Caddy' 87 year old guy this past week in Oak Bay. Who spent six hours having reconstructive surgery done to his hands because the Police put the cuffs- a little tight- on him. Yet, there is probably video footage that goes along with this, even though the FOI/PA would prevent the public from seeing exactly what took place.. Now if this was the States.. The video footage would be made available to the public. Full Story: _______________________________________ Traffic cops send 87-year-old to hospital By Erin Kelley-Gedischk Oak Bay News Oct 20 2006 As blood poured from an elderly man's handcuffed wrists, bystanders in Oak Bay Village stared in disbelief. The Integrated Road Safety Unit pulled over an 87-year-old man for not wearing his seatbelt in the 2200 block of Oak Bay Avenue at about 3 p.m, Oct. 13. "Normally we just issue a ticket and the person sits in the vehicle and away they go," IRSU supervisor Corp. Chris Gaudie said. Police claim the senior poked, slapped and grabbed the two officers on the scene. One officer was also allegedly backhanded by the octogenarian. Officers cuffed the man after an unsuccessful attempt to put him back into his vehicle. The cuffs caused the senior's skin to break and a significant amount of blood poured from his wounds. An officer gave the man medical attention before an ambulance arrived. The man, whose name the family doesn't want published, spent six hours in Royal Jubillee hospital that day. On Tuesday, he needed reconstructive surgery on both hands. "Our members are very uncomfortable with how things ended up because no one wants that sort of thing to happen," Gaudie said. The man has no criminal record, admitted police. Oak Bay Avenue resident Russell Papp witnessed the incident unfold. Papp said he heard the man wailing to officers to loosen the cuffs. "There was blood everywhere," Papp said. "A routine seatbelt check should never result in someone losing their hand, especially when it is an 87-year-old. This wasn't some crack addict." Papp noted the driver had a disability sticker in his window. "They were throwing that man around like he had the body of a 16-year-old." Papp described the police's use of force as "excessive." The family is asking anyone who witnessed the incident to contact them at 386-2156. - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:24am Edited: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:25am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | were you there? - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:35am | ||
| Mace User Info... | M-"Was I there...?" RB-(is there an echo in here?) no, I just asked you, "were you there...?" M-Okay, no, I wasn't there... > > > M- Were, you? - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:41am Edited: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:41am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Nope. Kinda wish I was though...... - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:00pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Thank god I did not witness that. I'd be in jail right now for sure. - Sun, 22 Oct 2006 2:02pm | ||
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| Mace User Info... |  http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20061022%2felderly_arrest_061022&feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True I'll bet, the names of these police officers will never be disclosed. Nothing like subduing the actual truth from the public, while keeping them under lock and key. Reminds me of a few 'certain other degenrates' around this message board. (Probably related to these cops who did this too.) - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:35am Edited: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:36am | ||
| Haden User Info... | Yeah, so an old man who probably shouldn't be driving in the first place, gets pulled over, handed a ticket, he gets out of line, the cops have to cuff him.....and there should be no fault to the man? Not to say that the cops were not in the wrong, but maybe if he just accepted the ticket like any other person would, he probably wouldn't be in the situation of having to be handcuffed at 87. I only have so much sympathy.... - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:38pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | Haha, weird you totally read my mind man. I guess I am not the only asshole thinking that. *Wink* - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 6:37pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | "Not to say that the cops were not in the wrong" Okay, so what the fuck you were thinking then you retard? You obviously like seeing old people at the mercy of an overly zealous pig[s] being thrashed to shit, wow, great you have a lot of nerve, mostly because it's only cops that would stay around long enough to listen to your know-it-all-brand of music. (Getfuckedasshole) I hope your whole police-brutality-on-the-elderly supporting band BURNS IN A HOUSE FIRE. - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:00pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | Waaaaaaaaaa. - Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:27pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | long or short? 'a' - Tue, 24 Oct 2006 3:05pm | ||
| DeadYeti1 User Info... | O.k. so I just got jacked by the infamous oak gay police for having fireworks. Last time I checked it was legal to sell this shit. Apparantly not. I got robbed of 380.00 bucks worth of fireworks right outside the store. I was buying them in advance for my wedding next August. I was told that halloween was the only time that you could buy them. Anyways , the po didn't believe me and took my fireworks, yet gave me back the weed they confiscated earlier. I know what you're thinking, at least he got the weed back. Wrong. I only had maybe a gram or two. Not nearly enough to rival the pigs kids fireworks display that I know I paid for. And when I called to complain, they said it was cops word against civvie so I was pretty much outruled in the credibility depo. and when I finally snapped and said that this is the kind of shit that gets 87 year olds roughed up, they claimed it wasn't the police that injured that man. Apparently he had self inflicted lacerations to the back of the hand. When I brought up the amalgamation process for Vic. and who my laywer is I was hung up on. Not really surprised but who is these days? - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 1:33am | ||
| Mace User Info... | You know, that's one of the most messed up stories I've heard since the cops did what they did (and they know what they did..) to that old guy. $380.00 bux worth of Fireworks gone (take by POLICE no-less) right outside of a fireworks store in Oakbay? Did you get a receipt? Because, maybe the only thing that you can think of in salvaging about your now missing fireworks come your wedding day is using the fireworks receipt as a tax write off next year? You could always file and it's adviseable to talk with the P.C.C.O. about an investigation into the behavior of these malicious pigs who stole them from you. (Something I'll bet the old guy whose 'alleged beat down' by the INTERPIGSSERVICETRANSITPIGS won't do, is submit a complaint through the Ombudsman's Office. You know, come to think about it...? They probably took your fireworks and kept them for their own personal use... - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 1:56am | ||
| Mace User Info... | Understandibly, there are many still distraught over the alleged mis-step by the Intercitypigs... Name: Mark & Charline Hooper From: Oak Bay E-mail: [email protected] The injury shown would be consistent with the handcuffs being applied to loose on a combative subject. I have had many years experience in a hospital and have even seen soft restraints cause such injuries to the elderly if they are allowed enough room to attempt to force them off. At that age the skin is prone to skin tears and bruising from even minor impact is not uncommon. My question would be what is a person that combative doing driving. Mark Hooper Oak Bay Re Traffic Cops send 87 year old to hospital, October 20, 2006: My thoughts in reading this article is to trust the judgement of our police officers. It is irresponsible to judge the incident through the news paper with out all the facts. No one, regardless of age, has the right to circumvent the law. The combative response of the individual clearly indicates either poor judgment or dementia. In either case for safety of self and others, this person should not be driving. The sensational picture of the bleeding hand may not give the true picture. Many of the elderly have fragile skin and take heart medications which will cause them to bruise and bleed easily. I believe this injury would not have happened on the lower part of his hand if the individual did not struggle and try and take the hand cuffs off. The fact the individual was violent and required the handcuffs seems to be a forgotten point. I'm grateful for the protection and safety service our police officers provide to our community, often in difficult situations. Charline Hooper BSN Saanich Police reply: M&C Hooper, thank your for your comments. Response from Sgt John Price Added: October 24, 2006 ---------------------------------- (My response to Dr. and Nurse Ratchet's post on Saanich Police's on-line q&a board) ______________________________________ Name: Agent Orange From: Victoria E-mail: [email protected] 'Oh, I HAVE TO AGREE the skin of old people is smooth, almost like butter..' Maybe the cop should have used his Taser instead? My question is when are you people going to hire staff with seemingly more, than just a grade 7 level of I.Q.? It's easy to see there are H.S. kids who could have dealt with a old-timer better than-----> an Over-reaction of the Public's Trust----->(Who could expect less from an already known outfit of Human Rights Abuses on secular minorities.) Who'da thunk it... 2 count them 2 International News Events of Officers who've acted on behalf of their own 'spontaneity'outside of your Detachment in as many years. Congratulations! Added: October 25, 2006 ________________________________________________ Feel free to leave your complaint at------> http://www.saanichpolice.ca/general/guest/gbook.php?page=1 - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 2:16am | ||
| DeadYeti1 User Info... | Oh they totally were going to set them off. They were laughing and talking about which ones were better etc; What's next/ A nightstick beating outside thriftys for buying shave razors? Give me a break. I am definatley old enough to know about fireworks safety. Mace I did have the receipt until it was confiscatd by some of this citys finest. I haved lived in Ottawa, Toronto, New York, Miami and Vic. So far the cops and government here are the worst I'VE EVER SEEN. Sure wish I'd thrown a punch to that cocksuckers throat though. - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:04am | ||
| Tim-Bitchfork User Info... | Grrrr....nothing pisses me off more than injustice. The sad thing is, is nothing will change. Police have too much power. If they are here for the people, then the people should have some kinda voice against tbe cops 'obstructing justice' themselves when they fuck with innocent people when real shit is going down. - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 6:12pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | W3RD!^^^ Seriously though, what were you doing that provoked them or had them caught to your attention that had them take your stuff outside the front of the fireworks store, because the last I recalled that fireworks were legal, and it makes me wonder why they would just randomly walk up to you and take them. (and your receipt) Wasn't the fireworks store salespeople the least bit concerned about your welfare and your seemingly 'extravegant purchase' of pyrotechnics? (That you could go back and use them as witnesses to what you say 'allegedly' took place here.) - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 6:48pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | you know it's only like your 3-4 post on the site, and 'out-of-the-blue' you're like (not that I'm against it or anything,,,) but like you're wanting to punch a cop in the throat? - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 6:50pm | ||
| DeadYeti1 User Info... | just pissed off. Also really surprised that this actually happened. As much as you want to, punching cops gets you nowhere. Talking to police gets you nowhere when they wont give logical reasons for actions. I'm just frustrated dude sorry. - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 8:21pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Well, don't apologize to me about punching cops, I would've laughed just as easy if you told me you wanted to shoot them or had shot one or more of them... But! - Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:26pm Edited: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:06pm | ||
| DeadYeti1 User Info... | I am from Ontario orig. and the only time we can get fireworks where i'm from is May long weekend. It is pretty much a custom to stock up for upcoming events. Fireworks are dangerous I'll agree with you there but there is an underlying danger in everthing we do. Whether it be taking out the trash or buying a pellet gun. The level of danger will always reflect the maturaty of the individual using said item. If they would collectively agree to ban fireworks altogether in each municipality, I wouldn't argue. I also wouldn't leave my house though. Pipe bombs scare the shit outta me and a lot of the little punks out here love putting them in our mailboxes. Way scarier than fireworks. As far as the return or reimbursement, I would settle for an apology and maybe a little tax break next season. LOL Or, 400 bucks worth of Timmy Ho's Good luck loosening the death grip on them doughnuts though. - Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:32am | ||
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