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RETARDEDNESS AT THE JERK HOUSE
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| SewnFlesh User Info... | this show, despite some really good performances, was a total debacle. the promoter at "noise not bombs" really needs to think a little more before he puts 6 bands on a 3 hour bill. with two bands playing there last show, 2 bands from vancouver and one band (local rockstars mido) returning from a long hiatus. its really shitty the way the night ended and watching the dumb kids out front made me embaressed to be in any way associated with this event. the people at the jerk house amaze me with there tolerance because i would not want half of the people who ended up there last night in my house or business. basically the promoter totally fucked up last night and i know the last two bands were both pretty disappointed. if your going to set up a show you have to be responsible for what goes on, that means taking care of the drunken skid posse wrestling and urinating on the grass outside the venue, and it also means making sure the bands you asked to come play from VANCOUVER get to play. i hope nothing happens to the jerk house as a result of the disrespect people showed towards the venue last night. i knew this was going to be a busy show but that was just stupid. noise not bombs => get your shit together or don't set up shows. joey only should have been cut from the bill because he is playing TONIGHT as well. duh also, i hate metal fans. i would way rather be at a straight edge hardcore show with people jumpkicking than with drunken idiots who want to "fuck shit up". - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 2:44pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 3:09pm | ||
| Mordock.the.Benzite User Info... | yeah...for fuck sakes.....when the show was obviously falling way behind wouldn't it have been prudent to cut raffi's set(since as mentioned he's supposed to be playing tonight...though I can hardly see there being another jerkhouse show after that bullshit). I personally will not play at another Noise not Bombs show until I see a vast improvement in responsibilty shown by the flailbag promoter. - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 3:15pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 3:21pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | what happened exactly? drunken fighting as well as a poorly put together show? I went to Silent Hill instead.... - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 4:31pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 4:32pm | ||
| jor User Info... | "also, i hate metal fans. i would way rather be at a straight edge hardcore show with people jumpkicking than with drunken idiots who want to "fuck shit up"." hardcore beats metal any day... later - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:16pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:17pm | ||
| jordan F. User Info... | i dont know why my name fucked up and said "jor" even if no one cares, just thought i would say that - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:19pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:20pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | I was pretty choked about the whole thing. I did appreciate those who made the best of the last two bands' 2 song sets!!! Other than that I'm not too into playing shows like this until, like mordock said, a vast improvement is shown. - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:22pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:23pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... |  If you missed it, here's the picture I can paint. Jamacian Jerk House. Nice small resturant on Pandora St. Something like 60 skids loitering outside, getting wasted, at LEAST one fight (that I know of), piss, puke, empties and god knows what else. I was amazed the cops didnt come by. To me, it seemed like a package of TNT ready to go off outside. So that's just the outside. I came to take pix, and I was looking forward to Mito playing as they are animated and fun to shoot. Then they play two songs and are done. WHACK!! Poorly anticipated on the promoters part, no if and or buts. A shared bass rig/kit may have made it possible to follow that time line, but not with gear changes and such. On a positive note, it'd be nice to see more shows happen at the Jerk house, just not like this. I'll have more pics up soon as well as some video - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 5:45pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:43pm | ||
| hesher User Info... | Joey Only made me want to cut my ears off. - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:22pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:23pm | ||
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| Matteus User Info... |  Bad ass - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:49pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:52pm | ||
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| Matteus User Info... |  Live shooting is fun, but I can do promo shots as well. Drop me a line if you're keen. - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:54pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 6:57pm | ||
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| Mutilashawn User Info... | awesome pictures man!!!! - Sat, 22 Apr 2006 8:04pm Edited: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 8:06pm | ||
| Eurydice User Info... | Thanks to all the dinks who were rude to the store owners and who were rude to me. And also, thanks for standing around outside complaining while the entire inside was covered in litter, despite the place having to open only a few hours later. And finally, one big round of applause to everyone for trying to make a shit night better and disrespeting the Jamaican Jerk House. I spoke to the owner and apologized for what happened; I was the only person who said a thing. Way to litter everywhere guys. Happy Earth Day. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 1:02am Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 1:08am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | who complains about litter when its literally on top of a ton of cement? someone with no perspective. its not like they're harming the earth at that point, relative towards the city buildings themselves. promoters clean up venues, like its a big deal if some litter piled up outside/inside. that's part of the job .. just like promoters are supposed to organize the event, including time slots. I started trying to cut bands sets short about half way through the night, and luckily every band was at least able to play a few songs. I sort of anticipated No Holding Back to go too long, and to take too long to set up; young bands tend to lose sight of time slots once they start playing, plus aren't able to set up with any sort of speed. My 6 piece band can set up and start playing in under 5 minutes. How can it possibly take 45 minutes for a band to set up? Yep, that's how long it took them to start playing. No hard feelings guys, just next time, fucking hussle, you're taking time away from other bands once you start taking that long. Mitochondrion didn't get off too bad, at least people were watching them play, and they're playing a bazillion shows in town over the next month or two anyways. Meat of Mankind got trumped for a fight happening outside so I feel more sorry for them. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 9:32am Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 9:39am | ||
| Hari User Info... | "I spoke to the owner and apologized for what happened; I was the only person who said a thing." ..actually future, janette, and myself all did the same. It really sucks too see what happened that night... it also sucks too see the finger pointing on this messageboard. As much as i love Mito, it might have made sence to look at your clocks and realize it was 11:45 when you were just about to set up and just decide to play a reunion show some other day and let Meat of mankind play instead. just my oppinion and my fingers pointing. The bands that did play were all rad, and thanks Conrad for all the work in setting it up and that crap. The show the following night seemed to go off with out a hitch. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:20am Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:33am | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | With reference to "Hari"'s post...what would watching the clock done. No one but the promoter can yell at bands to hurry up. We (mito) busted our asses to play this show; to pack up and go home without playing at all would have made the whole evening, not to mention the last few months a complete joke us. And "canon", just a guess, but i'm going to say that the owners of the venue were not planning to have to clean up messes OUTSIDE their restaraunt at 1am when they have to open the next morning, but honestly, correct me if i'm wrong. I doubt they are technically responsible for the area of the city infront of their store. As lame as playing 2 songs for a cited "return" show is, I am glad meat of mankind got to get some songs in. I only wish we got to play more as the entire band was very much looking forward to THIS show. We still had another brand new assault to unleash which did not get played. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:58am Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:28am | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | I don't think it's possible to blame any band or performer for taking too long. When I spoke to the promoter about making the bands play shorter sets he told me clearly that he never intended to have the show finished at midnight; only that they needed to be finished as shortly after midnight as they could. There was obviously a rather large rift in communication between him and the Jerk House staff. I think if the bands understood they really did only have three hours for 6 sets things may have had more urgency to them. Not to mention the fact that I couldn't even load my PA in until about 9:15, or set it up until 9:30 because there were still people sitting at tables eating and not getting out of the way. Anyways, finger-pointing is silly. I really liked Snapelgrock. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:17am Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:22am | ||
| Matteus User Info... |  Why was the VOCAL PA set up like this? The EQ is totally fuct for vocals - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:55am Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:56am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | cutting high-end reduces feedback, matteus. you must know this, considering you apparently know how vocal eq SHOULD be on a PA. mito played 2 songs and let the last band use their gear, fuck off about them bowing out so the last band could play, they set up fucking fast and didn't fuck anyone over whereas other bands were chilling outside doing nothing while they should have been setting their gear up. I had to go outside and round up bands more than once even though they knew when they were supposed to be playing. and other nick, I said the promoter is responsible for this. promoters are responsible for more than securing a venue and picking what bands play. they have to look after the venue (or find volunteers to do so), organize the event (which includes playing times and enforcing them), among other things. I warned him about these things before hand, and tried to help when I could that night. I'm pretty sure I was the only one being the heavy 'you gotta stop playing now, gues' person that night and no one even asked me to, I just stepped up. If I bought meat of mankind 10 minutes to play some songs then it was worth it. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:21pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:28pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | my bad, totally forgot about that one speaker behind the band acting as a monitor/speaker. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:50pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:50pm | ||
| SewnFlesh User Info... | "There was obviously a rather large rift in communication between him (the promoter) and the Jerk House staff." i really don't think its fair to blame any of the bands for going long, all could have set up quicker if there was any room in there to do anything, and all played fairly short sets. the fact that is didn't start at 9 made it pretty much hopeless. i arrived at the venue at 8:30 to help set up and there was nobody there, i don't think the promoter showed up until 9 clock. the staff at the jerkhouse didn't appear to be informed that if a show is to start at 9, then bands will need to be there BEFORE that in order to setup. i am not pointing fingers, but even the first band seemed unaware that the show was supposed to start at nine. low level organization i was left with a few good memories of that night thanks to some really good bands. ya'll rule - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 1:00pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 1:21pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | I liked Snapplegrock or whatever they were called, that was cool. I also liked whoever set up the distro. Joey Only was completely not what I expected and not really my thing, the band with the big guy before mito wasn't my thing either, and I had to leave at midnight so I missed the rest. It sucks that kids were being stupid. I guess getting drunk, peeing on things, and stuff is too metal for me. I hope the Jerk House can still be used as a venue, it's really cool, you would think that people would be able to treasure a good thing to ensure it can be used again. I feel really bad for the vancouver bands but I would have missed them anyway due to bussing. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 2:31pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 2:37pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Weird event. Jerk House staff sucked with respect to bar service, stupidly slow while at the same time pricey ($3.75 for soda water with a little cranberry syrup in it, the only choice if you did not want to drink). Sound was beyond horrible for every band I saw, Snapplegrock probably fared the best due to the nature of the material but who ever put this on should have sourced a better PA. All the bands I saw played way too long and should have known enough to cut it shorter. The promoter should have been on top of that but the bands should have shown some responsibility themselves, especially considering how the longer they played, the more time they got to sound like total ass. Setup times didn't help the matter either. The Joey dude probably had the best sound of the night which is unfortunate since he should not have been in the lineup or at least should have opened. Mito was lucky their set got cut short as they sounded the worst I have ever heard them. I am sure getting their gear knocked over didn't help any though. Best thing about the event in a way was the crowd. Energetic (if stinky) mix of enthusiastic kids, skids, and old decrepits like me. The problems were mainly a total lack of security and the fact that too many people where there for such a small venue. The promoters should have closed up or moved the merch tables to the back so more peeps could have fit inside (since I highly doubt they were moving much of the tired crap sitting on them). They also should have covered up the windows with meat paper since that would have discouraged peeps from hanging outside since they would not have been able to see the bands without coming inside. Not really an appropriate venue for this type of thing but considering how many places have gone belly up in a row in that location, the Jerk House should be happy they got to sell some drinks. IMHO of course. Cheers - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 5:54pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 6:17pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... |  http://www.meetyouattheendoftime.com/pictures/jerkhouse.zip the vids will be up shortly M - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 6:05pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 6:06pm | ||
| SewnFlesh User Info... | "Jerk House staff sucked with respect to bar service, stupidly slow while at the same time pricey" as supplies run out things get more expensive.. i noticed this at the last show they had there, beer was 6 dollars by the end of the night. at this show highballs were 6.25 at the end of the night when the beer ran out. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 8:46pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 8:51pm | ||
| moron User Info... | That's actually illegal with respect to liquor board rules (I know because I just completed my serve it right and that was one of the questions). Cheers - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 8:54pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 8:56pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | "also, i hate metal fans. i would way rather be at a straight edge hardcore show with people jumpkicking than with drunken idiots who want to "fuck shit up"." Swenflesh, I couldn't agree with you any more. People like that are what give a 'Beavis & Butthead' name to the local metal scene and it makes me sometimes feel ashamed to be associated with it. Not to mention the 'Days of our Tard-metal lives' thread from earlier on; fuck, a lot of those 'metalheads' are more drama-ridden than the local Victoria emo-kid and goth scenes COMBINED. Though I do have to disagree with you that I would rather deal with regular 'metalhead'-mongoloids anyday than hardcore-mongoloids who unleash a flurry of 100 mph Atreyu-air-punches in my direction when I'm just trying to watch a fucking show. But that's a whole other story... I felt really fucking bad for those Jamaican dudes, I really hope they don't get in too much shit for that. The last 2 all-ages metal shows we put on in Nanaimo and Vic resulted in shit getting broken and my damage depsoit being taken away. You'd think some of them would have the consideration to get drunk and fuck shit up at least somewhere else without putting the venue at risk of getting shut down. Unfortunately you'd have to get security and some good buddies to help ensure nobody's being stupid in the immediate premises (I also learned that the hard way - eg: Pandora Projects.) I was fucking choked Mito only got to play 2-3 songs. They were the only reason I went. But I'm glad I caught some of what they did play. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 9:07pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 9:31pm | ||
| Mi*coll* User Info... | That is an utterly ridiculous way to have your PA EQed. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 9:43pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 9:45pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... |  One of the speakers was BEHIND the band acting as a speaker/monitor. IT would have been feedback central if the EQ was set right. and there was no where else to place the speaker M - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:08pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:14pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | So uhhh "Mito was lucky their set got cut short as they sounded the worst I have ever heard them" Weepsk. Oh well...nexxt tiiime! - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:28pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:30pm | ||
| Hurtin' Levar Burton User Info... | It's not your fault about the sound Mito bros. Whether you guys played super tight or super sloppy, it didn't matter, it all sounded like brutally down-tuned soup. - Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:20pm Edited: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:21pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | here is the shiznat from that night. http://www.meetyouattheendoftime.com/jerkhouse.html enjoy - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 1:22am Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 1:22am | ||
| Tambo User Info... | We (No Holding Back) were informed originally that the show was going to start at 9:30, but then the day of I, atleast, found out it was 9... okay... I didn't think of the time constraints, no one told us it would have to be over by midnight, so we tried to setup while moving around customers still in the store. If someone had told us to cut our shit short, we would have, and Conrad admitted to not planning this properly, but I'm sure he's learned his lesson. It was a mess, our van broke and we had to get it towed out to UVic, so that sucked ass as well. Thanks for letting us play, because I'm sure a ton of people there weren't into us, and hope all worked out with the jerkhouse... - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:17am Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I thought mito sounded badass, and I wasn't even that drunk. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 2:02pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 2:08pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Well I definitely was not drunk. From where I was standing you could only hear one guitar (which was too loud), the drums were washed out (especially the kicks). Since the band was pretty much continually getting knocked about they were not what I would call tight either which didn't help. The song they opened with sounded like something from The Haunted (which is NOT a good thing). My hunch is that is mostly due to the sound mix which messed up the harmonization between the two guitars. They also sounded a bit out of tune (again, no doubt because they had people flying into them the whole time). I've heard Mito when they are playing tight and sound is solid and they can totally rip. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 2:09pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 2:21pm | ||
| SewnFlesh User Info... | i think mitos sounds was a little more washed out than they were going for, but it did sound pretty punishing. i really like the slow bass part with the shredding high pitched guitars, very cool. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 4:39pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 4:50pm | ||
| stew User Info... | mito were haulin ass! I could hear everything well from where I was, I was fuckin' pumped! snappelgrock were pure comedy, you are a hilarious guy sean. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 4:55pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:05pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | I came there ONLY for Jerry Only. I don't know what you guys are talking about. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:07pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:08pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Crisco = Jerry Oily? - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:08pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:09pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | No - Jerry OWNS me. /self-pwned - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:10pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 5:11pm | ||
| Eurydice User Info... | Hey canon; sorry, you're right. It only counts as littering when the crap is strategically placed on the earth, rather than the cement. Thanks for rotting my world. BTW, great job Mito, you guys are the only ones I really paid any attention to, and I was thouroughly impressed. All your hard work was worth even the few songs you got to play. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:02pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Hot Karlos is a gravity blaster. And after only three months! Sheee-ut. Another one of those barefoot, 200-b.p.m. rascals. - Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:26pm Edited: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:07pm | ||
| Eurydice User Info... | ... - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:02pm Edited: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:03pm | ||
| XY-? User Info... |  DAMN . - Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:00pm Edited: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:02pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | Yeah and its a good thing you did because it was fuckin RETARTED, well the people were but the bands were fuckin awsome. - Wed, 26 Apr 2006 3:42pm Edited: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 3:43pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Wow...What a bunch of whining. You think its up to the promoter to stop fights, stop drunk fucks from smashing shit and acting fuct, deal with unhappy building owners who want to shut it down (it wasn't the Jerk House who shut it down), organize the bands, pay them, put a show together, get people there etc etc etc. What a bunch of whining. How many of you grew up in Middle class homes, sounds like you are used to gettin everything you want!! I don't think its the promoters job to do all that. You think you are anarchists? THEN ITS YOUR FOCKIN RESPONSIBILITY TOO!! No leaders, no gods and no masters!! It's up to you to stop drunk fucks from fuckin YOUR scene up!!! Quit lookin to your parents and cops and promoters and Jesus Christ to save you! Quit your fuckin bellyachin before you find yourself with no one to organize your shows. In fact, get involved and help out instead of this unconstructive horseshit..How disapointing to hear people shit talk like this. I've already been listenin to 10 years of it....fuck!... -Bobcat - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 2:39pm Edited: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 2:39pm | ||
| NOISE NOT BOMBS User Info... | When i came to town I barely saw an all ages show any where. I had never put on a show, but I wanted shows, so I started with the Food Not bombs benefit show. This was my 4th show, and yeah a lot of problems happened, but almost none of you helped you just bitch after? No holding back helped out more than pretty much any one, as did Scott and Jeff and Brian. As for the timing and having too many bands for midnight, your right, but when i booked this show it was not booked till midnight. The deal was the bar would shut down by midnight. The show would run till whenever it ran to, just no booze after 12. But at 11:30ish the night of the show we got a phone call from next door saying that the cops would shut down the show if it wasn't over by midnight. Gyro the owner of The Jungle Room and Monty's called the cops, and since Mr.Beckworth already was having liquor board problems he had to shut down. The show originally was to end around 1:30 am. And what i believe i told most people was show starts at 9pm, but the first band will probably start playing at 9:30. Obviously there was some miscommunication. The real problems came from Gyro, the cops and the morons that took it on themselves to start fights, litter outside a venue, smash bottles, graffiti the bathroom walls, and tear the dispenser out of the wall in the women's bathroom. It cost me an extra $100 this weekend for this venue. We were lucky to get it again for the next night, Which I must say went on without a problem. If you think the P.A. sucked, then you give me one to borrow for free... Brian lends his P.A. out to people putting on political all ages shows and such, this gets him nothing, I respect him for this. As for the Jerk house... Becky (owner) has lent this space to food not bombs, he lets us put on all ages shows when almost no where else in town will, he dose not ask for a damage deposit, he charges half of what every one else dose, he is a small business, independent, and offers fair trade organic coffee and vegan foods. The guy dose more than m,most business owners, and supports our scene. every one bitched too about the broken bottles and garbage and loosing the venue, well I want to m,mention that No Holding Back and a few other cleaned a lot of that up, I want to thank them and every one who did help out, unlike the fucking morons that were breaking them. I also want to mention that it was mainly me and a friend who did almost all the cleaning on the inside of the venue after you all left.I cleaned for a couple hours straight, then went to sleep in a park. And What the fuck is going on when Joey Only a performer tries to break up a fight and is told to fuck off cause fighting is metal??? Don't we have any respect for our scene? I can contest to this too, i came back running from ocean island where I was going to talk to the bar manager about trying to let the last two bands play there so they could get in full sets, and when I come back I see what looks like a fight, I run up to stop it (people in the background chanting fight, instead of helping) and I get about 4 people yelling at me to fuck off... People on here criticized a venue that is one of the only ones in town that will let us do these shows, a performer that travels the country going to protests, was at the Woodward's squat, camp Camble, and is the reporter from the people on the front lines of the mohawk warriors that are fighting the opp, also criticized a great local band that did help out a bit and was willing to play for free, oh and was giving away free cd's, and you criticize me. I don't give a fuck if you like me, but I am putting on all ages shows cause I want to see them happen, I lost money on most of the shows I have put on, No one else seams to be doing it (one or two exceptions) and I have guaranteed none over $10. Right now i have been wondering if I should just quit, I have so many bands contacting me wanting to play, and I want to set up these shows, cause the scene needs it. But fuck when all any one can do is bad mouth me over the internet.... Hey here is a start, my e mail is prideunity@hot,ail.com my myspace is http://www.myspace.com/satanicanarchyandpeace and I can be found every monday at crystal pool from 9pm to 11pm, and green cuisine on every Wednesday from 4pm to 6pm. If you got a problem with what I am doing tell me don't bitch or fucking do it yourself. You don't like the way i put on shows, put on your own, you don't like the people I get to staff them, find some, or show up and volunteer. Either put up or shut the fuck up. I do this on my own time, and usually get nothing in return for it, do nothing, you just bitch! I thank the Jerk House, the Bands that played, and the Black Raven Anarchist book Collective for bringing a table of info to a show that is suppose to be for the anarchist community. I thank the people who volunteered, but to all you who did nothing but bitch fuck you. and to all you that made assumptions with out asking or trying to contact me about them, fuck you. It is you who destroy the scene, who get venues shut down... When the fight broke out I was trying to find an alternative venue to finnish the show, when the bottles were being smashed, I was cleaning inside, but there were people outside, and most of them just stood and watched. If this scene turns to shit, you can blame all the people you want, but it will be the fault of every one who just let it happen when they chose to not make a difference. - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 3:01pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | "You think you are anarchists? THEN ITS YOUR FOCKIN RESPONSIBILITY TOO!!" from the posts I read I didnt see anyone calling themselfs anarchists, atleast I never said that, and if you putting an all ages gig on DONT LET THE PLACE SELL BOOZE its just retarted, and if you dont have that much expirance ask someone who has done it and get some pointers or something, and dont give up dude you have put on some of the best shows in vic that ive been too. Best of luck next time. - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 4:09pm | ||
| f User Info... | th guy has a point, it wasn't so much the promoters fault as it is the dumb people who attended, and i don't know what can be done to rememdy that. i don't know how to get people to learn respect rather than pointless destruction. it makes me want to cry that someone vandalized the jerkhouse, when they are just about the most altruistic supporters of radical happenings in victoria. it's crazy that someone would do that. but knowing that they do, we need to take some measures to lessen it, like strict time schedules for bands, sharing gear, making it known that we need to respect the venue in order for it to exist and for these things to keep happening. - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 4:38pm | ||
| jambon User Info... | me,me,me,me,me,me,I,I,I,I,I, oh, and did I mention me? ME. I. MEMEMEMEMEME. Fuck you. ME. - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 6:29pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Pretty much this same situation happened with the James Bay Community Centre at the end of 2004. It's unfortunate that in order to deal with it you have to start acting like a complete tyrant to kids who are trying to wreck the place. - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 9:26pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Tasers help. - Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:05pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | sent ya an email - Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:04pm | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | Somebody needs to be the tyrant... kids may hate authority but they still, for the most part, fear it. - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 1:49pm | ||
| Chuck User Info... | Hey man. Don't give up. I don't know when I can find time to help you, but I am sure I could give constructive ideas or something! Contact me at [email protected] or http://www.myspace.com/chuck_1977 - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 6:18pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | So, is this thread making fun of Retards? I don't think that is very nice. You should be ashamed of yourself. - Sat, 29 Apr 2006 7:34pm | ||
| jim User Info... | I am the silent part of the partnership that put on the shows last weekend and I want to introduce another perspective to this discussion. Yeah we fucked up. That was obvious to anyone with half a brain. What is not so obvious is that Conrad and I are taking HUGE fucking risks trying to bring energy and entertainment to this small minded and parochial little city. This was the fifth or sixth show put on by Noise Not Bombs. The previous six went off with only minor glitches. The biggest mistake we made was in over estimating the maturity and respect of the crowd. Get a fucking grip on your own scene friends. Many of the previous posters sound like the fools who blame the government for everything wrong in society without taking a look in the mirror first. Every show we've put on saw kids drinking out front of, or somewhere nearby the venue. Ummm.... Isn't that to be expected? I know when I was in my teens, me and my buddies were doing the same damn thing. We anticipated the drinking but did not anticipate the violence. That was a mistake. Another mistake was that, while we did have a good agreement with the Jerk House, we did not anticipate the owner of the building would make trouble the way he did. The show was shortened because he threatened to call the cops who had previously threatened to pull Beky's liquor license. When the show opened, we thought we had more time. We have been operating under the impression that music fans in this town deserve to hear at least four or five bands, including at least one band from out of town on every bill we promote. While y'all might have no idea how difficult it is to pull this off, I hope you take time to think about it. Yeah, we made a number of mistakes last Friday night but mistakes happen. We are all lucky there were not any major reprecussions stemming from those mistakes. Aside from a skinny kid who was bothering folks throughout the club, and an agressive dude who thought he would take matters into his own hands, nobody was seriously hurt. I think we dodged a bullet there. We will do more shows and hopefully, we'll take the lessons we have learned from last weekend into them. Here is one lesson I really want the fans to take away and think about. It's called PERSONAL and COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY. I ain't your daddy (even if I do look as old as he is). I have no desire to act like him either. You are responsible for your own actions. As a grassroots community of freedom loving people, we need to police ourselves or the cops will take it upon themselves to do it for us. Fuck that action. We do not have agressive bouncers acting like cops at our shows. I don't like them and I don't think you do either. I tend to dislike authority figures as much as the next reasonable person in our community. Neither Conrad or I wish to act like an authority figure. Like Jello said, "if you ape the cops it ain't anarchy" We NEED the fans to be more responsible to the venue space in order to keep the shows on a grassroots level. Our next show will likely not have bouncers and will be another low-cost (and thus), low budget show. It costs a lot of money to put these things on. Though we did see a small profit last time, much of it has been donated to community groups and another portion has been set aside to promote a make-up show for Meat, Mito, and other bands who got screwed towards the end of the show. One last thing... Yes, Conrad is using some of that money to eat and survive but given the amount of work he put into the shows, he makes less than $1/hr. Please consider that before throwing stones at him. I strongly doubt anyone else would work as hard as him for virtually no financial reward. What he (and in this case, we) get is the opportunity to build a better community. I would hope the fans feel the same way. - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 8:30am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Collective anarchist ideals and drunk rowdy young METAL fans don't mix. As much as I like this style of music, fans are doofuses no matter what. - Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:53am | ||
| J User Info... | through all of this, the only thing that comes to mind is security. Whether or not you like it, it helps. You did say that you(noise not bombs) expected the drinking outside/near the venue... fair enuff, every teen does it so why shouldnt they?(lol)... but the violence could've easily been put to rest by a proper security staff RUN by the organizer/promoter of the show or the manager of the venue. Im not saying you have to have policing bouncers kicking people that are "drunk in their eyes", but at least have a few on hand just incase something like this happens... You hire them, you set the rules... they dont follow, hire someone else that is willing to. It just seems like the show went off ok but everyone is focused on the fights/under-age drinking that went on. Mind u, this is an opinion bases souly on the other posts on here... but from the jist that i got, it seems security was the big issue(aside from the whole building owner despute). It really isnt that smooth putting anything in terms of an "event/show" together. good luck. - Tue, 2 May 2006 2:06pm | ||
| Pierce User Info... | "Mr.Beckworth already was having liquor board problems he had to shut down" Why work with someone who has problems with the liquor laws, and not get him to hold a contract? - Wed, 3 May 2006 1:08am | ||
| Crapper User Info... | obviously Ive been missing out on all the fun. Damn labor camps. - Thu, 4 May 2006 2:23pm | ||
| Kimberleykaos User Info... | Gyro is an idiot. He once hired an excellent DJ for the Jungle, after changing the name and trying to change the scenery...specifically based on his cred's and unique DJ stylin'...to actually later DEMAND TO TELL HIM WHAT SONGS TO PLAY (And I am talking ridiculous shit - the guy is 45-60 and was asking for some really lame songs) even tho it was mixed Hip Hop and open DJ music night...and when he tried to please Gyro, and the crowd showed its disinterest, he still insisted and blamed any bad vibe on DJ boy. I always thought that guy should be as far away from the industry as possible...never mind the grabby grabby and other disgusting habits the guy carrys on to his Monty's employees, etc etc... - Tue, 9 May 2006 1:11pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Almost all shows try to cram in too many acts. From a musician point of view, no more than 3 unless its an all-afternoon/all night affair. I've even see 3 go weird when delays occur. Also, if someone hasn't shown up, start the fucking show anyway. Hell, if there is 6 bands, there better be at least 2 ready to go on in any order the promoter dictates! If there isn't then the show is doomed from the start. Many bands simply are not capable of setting up and teardown in the time period that promoters allow which complicates things further. If I'm out to see a show, and especially when its one band in particular I'm interested in, there is nothing more useless than time dictating that they perform like two songs. - Wed, 10 May 2006 10:33am Edited: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:36am | ||
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