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Handwired point to point guitar amps
| Message Board > Gear Buy & Sell > Handwired point to point guitar amps |
| Squarewave User Info... | Anyone interested in a handwired point to point classic/or not guitar amp? I'm building some early Fender Tweed style amps. 5e3 Deluxe, Double Deluxe etc.. would be into building a Champ or Princeton etc... If you are into something like that or say a Marshall 18 watt or 45 Watt let me know. I should be able to do most of the more simple designs and if it's something more tricky, we can talk about it and see what I can do. These will be priced well below their Fender/Victoria reissue counterparts, and can be finished in most styles of tolex/grill cloth/tweed etc... Email me for a response. [email protected] Cheers, Ryan - Wed, 12 Oct 2011 1:16pm Edited: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 1:16pm | ||
| Go Victoria Go! User Info... | Or you could save yourself a bunch of cash and just order and assemble your own kit. http://taweber.powweb.com/store/kits.htm - Sat, 15 Oct 2011 6:58pm | ||
| Ryan User Info... | Yes you could save yourself cash if you have the ability to build and troubleshoot your own amp. And if you aren't comfortable doing that sort of thing, then once again I'd like to work on it with you, or you could pay someone else to put a kit together for you. All great options. ***edit... my "alias" seemed to change between posts. "Ryan" and "squarewave" were the same people. - Sun, 16 Oct 2011 2:09pm Edited: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 2:13pm | ||
| Go Victoria Go! User Info... | “I should be able to do most of the more simple designs and if it’s something more tricky, we can talk about it and see what I can do.” To me this statement of yours does not enlist much confidence in your ability to say the least. If you are an inspiring tech there is more honourable ways to gain experience instead of charging 100’s of dollars to assemble a novice kit. A Weber 5E3 1x12 combo is $490USD http://taweber.powweb.com/store/kits_50a.htm#5E3 And a 5E3x2 2x12 combo is $565USD http://taweber.powweb.com/store/kits_50a.htm#5E3X2 Add shipping and tax and your probably looking at $750-900 max, and you are charging (as per your Used Vic add below) $1200 and $1500. So your going to make around $500 to assemble a Weber kit and you state that you “should be able to do most of the more simple designs”??? I would think that any of the many competent techs in this town would assemble a kit for far less, and would have no problem with assembling and explaining the “more tricky” designs to a novice. Plus they would probably disclose that it is a Weber kit, and not compare it to a Victoria amp Here is your Used Victoria Add: http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/5e3-Tweed-DeluxeDouble-Deluxe_15826456 I'm thinking about building a small run of these amps and am looking to see if there is any interest out there for one of these great amps. Youtube search 5e3 deluxe and see what they sound like. Awesome. The Double Deluxe is basically the same circuit with double the power tubes and bigger transformers for a bigger beefier sound. It would also get you a 2x12 configuration instead of a 1x12 combo. Get one of the most classic amp designs for way less than a Fender Reissue or a Victoria. I'm thinking $1200/1500 respectively. I would be into trying out other early Fender Tweed designs as well, like a champ or something a little bigger if you'd like. If you don't like the tweed finish we can do other tolex/grill cloth as well. These would be all point to point, handwired with love and care. - Sun, 16 Oct 2011 3:43pm | ||
| squarewave User Info... | Interesting that I seemed to have pushed a button of yours. Maybe you are an amp tech in town? I just figure these are VERY reasonable prices for these amps. You are on point for how much money I would make on some of the larger amps. I have friends on the mainland that build amps that have told me that I'm pricing them lower than I should. Anyway, everyone has their own free will. They can source out their parts, build their own amps, pay someone to build one for them... Have you priced out what an amp tech will build one of these for you? Or are you running on assumptions. Definitely don't feel like I'm out there to rip anyone off. I've sey all my prices well below what you can get from anywhere else in Canada that I can find. I just feel you are trying to get under my skin for whatever reason, and feel that I've said my part. I will leave it now. If you feel so strongly about it just offer the same product for cheaper. I don't see what the big deal is. - Sun, 16 Oct 2011 4:10pm | ||
| Go Victoria Go! User Info... | Am I a tech... No Did you push my buttons... No I just call BS when I see it, and 500 bucks for a novice to assemble a So So quality amp kit is BS to me. And yes other amp builders may charge more, but most of them use higher quality components (ie: us made transformers vs Chinese) and have spent many years training/learning and a lot of money invested into quality control. I hope that you do disclose that you are using Weber kits, cause I know that I personally would be VERY disappointed to pay $1500 for one. And I'm sure I'm not alone. - Sun, 16 Oct 2011 5:57pm | ||
| squarewave User Info... | My build quality will be just that. Quality. I could source parts from numerous places. I will use weber for the most part. Heyboer OT's in some cases. I will replace parts that need to be replaced ie: lamp etc... But everything i've used from Weber so far seems to be very good quality. I've used fancier capacitors and transformers before with minimal change in tone. Of course if anyone wanted something specific that would be up to them. I just feel that you are being pretty intense for someone who just isn't interested. I'm not ripping anyone off. A great amp is a great amp. If you want to pay way more for a brand name, that's fine. And there is no way I would try and pull the wool over anyone's eyes on a build of mine. All weber cabs say weber right on them. They make good quality stuff. Sourcing parts from numerous places will not make it better. Anyway, it's noted that you don't like what i'm doing. I'll check in with some techs I know to make sure i'm not "ripping people off". Pretty sure i'll just keep doing my thing, making amps for happy people. - Sun, 16 Oct 2011 6:41pm Edited: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 6:44pm | ||
| Go Victoria Go! User Info... | Well hey, if someone wants to pay you $500 to assemble a kit then I wouldn't say it's ripping anyone off. That would be their choice. And it's your choice to disclose if you are assembling a kit or not. Reading your posts you come across more than a little contradictory, in your first post you sound very inexperienced and only comfortable with simple designs, and later you make it sound like you are quite experienced, even trying higher end components. Had you not said "I should be able to do most of the more simple designs", and made it obvious that you are assembling "inexpensive" kits, I would have ignored this. Maybe you were a little premature on making this a business venture, or maybe squarewaves will be the next big boutique amp company, only time will tell, but even though many 5E3 clones are priced higher, 12-15 hundred bucks is still a lot of cash for an assembled Weber kit. - Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:09pm | ||
| squarewave User Info... | I contacted some techs in town that I trust. I will lower my prices on the larger amps by a touch if they are ordered stock. Prices will be pretty much the same if name brand transformers or such thing are requested. The weber transformers were all couched for as best bang for your buck. Heyboer next if you want top shelf, and MM if you want a really nice granny and to pay extra for a name. Like I said, not tryin.g to rip ANYONE off, not my style. Thanks for pointing out I was a bit high priced. - Mon, 17 Oct 2011 2:19pm | ||
| Go Victoria Go! User Info... | So, do you disclose that you are using a Weber kit with the option to upgrade from the stock Chinese transformers? I may not be a tech and maybe many techs would have no problem with what your doing, but to me... Given your admittedly novice skill level and that you are simply assembling the pre-built chassis, tolexed/tweeded box and soldering the circuit... If you do not disclose this information it is a SNEAKY practice. Maybe not ripping anyone off, but sneaky sneaky sneaky! I would suggest that you think twice, because if the wrong person pay's you 12-15 HUNDRED dollars for a kit you assemble, only to find out after the fact that they could have saved $500 bucks and simply ordered and assembled their own kit... Well, that could quickly turn into a unpleasant situation. Good luck with those "tricky" amps. - Mon, 17 Oct 2011 5:36pm | ||
| squarewave User Info... | Wow you are a piece of work. I have never tried to lie about what I am giving anyone as a product. On top of that most small companies use own chassis. If I were to manufacture my oem chassis, cabinets, tolex them all myself etc... I would have to charge waaaay more money. The money i'm asking for (which I previously just stated was a little off on the double deluxe) is, and only could be a price for someone sourcing parts and building an amp. That is what I am doing, building an amp. If you think it is a plug and play lego type deal. Build one. When it doesn't work right off the bat, figure out why. Building it from a kit is no different than sourcing parts out from numerous places and building. It is the same thing. I have to stop responding to this now, whether or not you take a stab at my skill level or build quality having not ever seen or played one of my amps. You are basing it off of me not wanting to build blackface amps or something that would take way more time per project. I'll let you get another stab, undefended. All I wanted to do is make some amps for some folks and you've kinda destroyed the thread for no reason. Cool. - Mon, 17 Oct 2011 7:08pm Edited: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 7:19pm | ||
| Go Victoria Go! User Info... | Assembling a kit with pre-made parts, diagrams and instructions is way different than sourcing your own parts,designing your own layout, and building an amp. Buying a soldering gun, a few screwdrivers and assembling (not building) a kit does not make someone a amp builder. To say that there is no difference just proves how inexperienced you are. I would guess that you assembled a few of these kits and then thought... Hey I could make some money by assembling these kits and re-selling them. Your not the first, and unfortunately won't be the last to try the quick and easy route. There is a reason why Victoria amps cost what they do, and why Weber kit amps cost way less. The quality of components. And just because they both work they are in completely different leagues. And yes I have seen and tried both. I did like the Weber, but it was not inspiring and solid like the Victoria, and add $500 to the Weber and it's even less. Word travel's fast in this town, so it won't be long before people catch on. - Mon, 17 Oct 2011 8:32pm | ||
| steve User Info... | Go vic to the rescue.. whatever would we do without your brilliant insights and perspectives.. I am sure that none of us are capable of sorting out things ourselves.. you're a dork. - Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:20pm Edited: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:55pm | ||
| PingPong User Info... | Go spend your time on worthwhile endeavors, like learning to build your own gear or playing music! - Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:46am | ||
| Hit It And Quit User Info... | Thanks for the classic LiveVic thread! not meaning to be overly constructive, here's my 2 cents; Instead of arguing whether it's worth $500 to get someone to assemble a tube amp (for the record, I would probably charge about that much, depending), how about starting a DIY amp club? You're both obviously passionate about the subject. - Mon, 31 Oct 2011 1:47pm | ||
| Lucius User Info... | i'm in for the club thingy. Cheers, Lucius - Tue, 1 Nov 2011 9:31am | ||
| Hit It And Quit User Info... | I'd totally be into being a part of a tube amp community here in Victoria, something to un-stick the two projects on my bench. ;-) If anyone, at any level, wants to participate in a building/fixing/getting-to-know-how-amps-work group, sound off here and/or e-mail me off-list. - Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:35am | ||
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