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| Angel User Info... | This is kinda music related.....I guess. Can someone please explain the joys of a mosh pit to me? I just don't get it........really, I don't. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 2:28am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Wow, this one believe it or not is gonna be easy, but goddamn long: It's to have fun in a sorta crazy style with a bunch of people into the same thing as you. On the outside a mosh pit looks like its a violent slam fest, created so people can hurt eachother and brag about it or something mabye?? Nope. Moshing does have etiquette which sadly, alot of people don't know, but thankfully, most do. Theres allways going to be some guy(or girl) going around with their elbows up, and slamming around in an attacking style. You'll notice these are the people who actually get hurt as once someone who does know mosh etiquette is going to start showing them what it feels like when someone is being an asshole and deliberately trying to hurt people. This is when you are going to see violence in a mosh pit and all the rest are accidents. Moshing releases that energy you get when you're all revved up from the music *hence, why you'll only see it at a metal or punk show* And what better way to release that then get right infront of the band with everyone else, slam around and cheer on the entertainment? Can look painful but if you're just allways aware of your balance and that of the others around you, you'll find you really don't get "hurt" much at all. Sure, on occasion its inevdable say youll bump noggins with someone etc. but hey, if you skate board and fall down it hurts a bitch of alot more doesn't it? You also get to be right there along side everyone whos at least for the duration of the pit, all looking out for eachother, and all just trying to have a great time. Ever pull someone whos fallen up off the floor just before they get hit and notice they're not hurt then just get that much more into the show and revved up??? Same deal as landing a trick on a skateboard, it's "dangerous" yet safe enough if everyone knows whats going on. Now in the pit, it doesn't hurt, it's the only way you're truely ever gonna be "front row" at these sorts of shows, and is also where you have to be if you wanna catch anything the band is gonna toss out if they're so inclined. But what about those moron flail moshers?? Well, if theyre really out of hand, tell a bouncer if you see them taking deliberate shots at people, if not, you just gotta back off till the others notice what they're doing and "smarten em' up". Heres that basic mosh etiquette I spoke of, and after you read whats in the minds of the average mosher, mabye you won't feel so bad about running into a pit: ~ No elbows! EVER!!!! ~ Keep your stance tall and your head up! *some people thing by lowering their center of gravity and covering their heads will protect them, WRONG! It will make you elbow people when you do get hit and since you're lower down, you're far more seceptable to being accidently blindsided, as It's also assumed you're doing the next point: ~ Pay attention to your surroundings, not the floor!!! ~ Never intentionally hurt someone, the point is to jump and slam around, not to win a fight. ~ If you see someone fall next to you, it's your job to get them off the floor ASAP so noone falls over them etc., hence dont worry if you fall, as everyone will have you up before you can regain your orientation. ~ Do not wear sharp objects in mosh pits that can cut people, and if you do, remove them to your pockets before going in. ~ Help people about trying to stage dive etc. If you do, you'll notice people start noticing your attitude and sorta block blows for you and/or help you out with dives etc. ~ If you're a smaller person, and say your head happens to be at the average height everyone elses elbows, the sides of the pit are for you, people know to make a sort of mosh wall aroung the interior of the pit so that everyone can be in the pit but noone who doesn't want to deal with that high intensity has to.*You'll useually find me for example taking up that position on the upper left of the pits, lots like to run into the center then will gravitate to the sides and be a wall for a while if they're a taller person* ~ Do not take running charges at people! - Thats not fun as you're deliberately hurting people, and they're going to return the favour if you continue.. *unless its one of those run then jump on your personal friend's shoulders sorta deals* ~ Last, but the most important part of pit etiquette, if you pick someone up off the floor and you notice they might be hurt, see blood or what have you, realize that they are stunned, don't know whats going on, and if you just push them back into the middle of the pit, they're going to hurt themselves, you pick em off the ground and see that, you help them to the edge of the pit where someone will help them out. I don't think I have missed anything here but, that should be all there is to moshing! So, Don't fear the pit, it kicks ass \m/ *It also shows the band on stage support, and useually the bigger the pit, the more people tend to talk about how ripper the show was!* - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 5:39am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | I've got no problem with pits and actually they can be loads of fun and a good aggressive release, BUT . . . . The only thing I hate more than anything is fucking CROWD SURFERS!! Those goddamn bastards. Especially when a 200 lb. dude and his buddies think it's a great idea to get him up there. Most of the time it's these drunk jock fuckers anyway. FUCK. YOu'll be watching the show and *WHAM* steel toed boot to the cranium. See, I'd rather be watching the fucking bands rather than having to watch the pit for the possibility of future head injuries. For example, the CC show. I fucking missed most of "Gallery of Suicide" (one of my favourite songs) because some enormous (and I am talking size wise) asshole landed on my head. Plus the bouncers wouldn't take the surfers and then send them back around to the pit, they thought it was a brilliant idea to just push them back into the crowd. But meanwhile the crowd is trying to push them out of the fucking way. ARGH!! Anyway that is my rant for the month. *Oh and Dod, don't forget one vital rule -If the "flow" of the pit is going one way DON'T FIGHT IT. Go along with the pit, it'll prevent injuries all around. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 8:26am | ||
| Perpetual_Burn User Info... | I remember taking a steel heel to the head one time from a skinhead crowd surfer, I lost 3 minutes(black out) and got a bad ass concussion. FUCKING NOT COOL ASSHOLES! On another note, there were far too many short-hair EMO, flailers during BDM, I really wanted to crack some skull during that set. And Dod, Never forget the rules about how people are ALWAYS trying to elbow you so they can get up to the front. There is no room. People have been there since the doors opened so they could stake out their spot up front. Just because someone likes a band, it doesnt mean that we should all move to the side or back so they can flail for their hero's. I'm done. Next..... - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 9:25am | ||
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| Shaggy User Info... | There is but one rule in regards to the pit, regardless of Sangers wordy diatribe, if someone's down you help em up. Other than that, if you're in the pit expect shit to happen whether you like it or not. Pit etiquette...what a concept. Must be something all you younguns dreamed up to appear to be all PC for the chicks. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:21am | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | I agree with both sides. While yes, you should help people out, and you should expect to be knocked around some, a pit isn't a free for all. Punching and being an asshole is just stupid. And dear fucking lord, next time someone touches my ass/boobs again, I'm dead serious about knocking your mother fucking teeth out. I don't care about the bruises and the pain, but grow up, it's not a free feel, and I will fucking hurt you. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:26am | ||
| k8 User Info... | Haha, I was meaning to write something like that at one point, Dodsanger, very nice. I've also had a crowd surfer fall on me, it sucked. Yeah, I guess I should've been paying more attention, but no one else around me was either. It'd be a lot easier if people just didn't crowd surf. Angel, have you ever been in a massive pit? Maybe it just isn't for you if you didn't enjoy it. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:31am | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | Using tripwire is o.k., if done SNEAKILY. The Pepto Bismol dance is o.k., too. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:04pm | ||
| Angel User Info... | Well, it depends on what you call massive. I was at ozzfest in 99 and when sabbath came out it was crazy!!! I had to get out of there, I got to claustraphobic. The best mosh pit experience I've had was at The Mighty Mighty Boss Tones at the old Limit. It was cool, a fiend and I went in but people were great; we had a couple of dudes (complete strangers) watching our backs so that we didn't get stomped on too much. At some of the heavier shows though it seems to get a litlle out of control. I like to be up front to see the band but I don't want to get hurt. Sometimes it just sucks cuz you don't want to have to stand on the sidelines to get a good view of a band you totally dig. For me it sucks going to a pit because i end up concentrating more on keeping myself resonably upright. I'm all about expressing your passion for a band but alot of times I don't see the mosh pit etiquette some of you guys are talking about. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:12pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Rules for the pit? I think you miss the whole point. The best pits in my own life, have always occured at Dance Clubs (I know, odd) but thats the truth, something about no one under 19, go figure. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 6:36pm | ||
| Mosher User Info... | I like to mosh and I'm a big guy (225lbs) but if I want to actually listen to the music, I stay back. Moshing takes up too much of my concnetration. Although I believe there is some of the etiquette mentioned above, it can be an unpredictable place and people do get hurt. I often feel as though someone has kicked my ass the day after a big show. If you fear the mosh, you should not go in. Cannibal Corpse was one of the heaviest nights of music I've experienced, and the mosh was aggressive, yet no one seemed to get hurt while I was at the front. It seemed like everyone was having a good time. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 6:52pm | ||
| aleris User Info... | One of the things I really have to say is: -DON'T FUCKING BITE, YOU STUPID LITTLE MUTHERFUCKER Yes, I've been bitten in a pit on one or two occasions, as have others. It's always these dumb hardcore kids (I'm not saying that hardcore kids are dumb, but these idiots sure were) that don't understand what moshing is about. Crowd surfers piss me off sometimes as well... when I saw Thursday for the first time at WT, I missed at least half the set due to people on my head and security guards in front of me, trying to remove said people from our heads. When you've been at the front for almost an hour before the band starts, you're there because you really want to see the show. And when some assholes from about three rows back keep ending up on top of you, bootin you in the face and crushing your neck, it's not so cool. I mean, they weren't even from the back or anything. I found Cannibal Corpse pretty cool. I was right up there and it was lots of fun... of course I'm probably only about 125 so eventually I had to take a break (wuss) and watch the show from outside the pit, which was just as good (although in a different way) since it was such a completely awesome show to watch. All around I had a really awesome time there. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 8:50pm | ||
| Marco User Info... |  since it is very chaotic in nature, it takes on multiple forms. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 8:55pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | If you notice the same kid crashing onto you from crowd surfing, BITE the fucker :) a punch in the junk also gets the point across as I found out one time. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47pm | ||
| Perpetual_Burn User Info... | Well said my friend. - Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:18pm | ||
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| Nik Olaz User Info... | another rule: don't be a fucking dick and pull someones shirt by the collar for no apparent reason. - Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:46am | ||
| eboner User Info... | or pinch their bum. - Mon, 26 Jul 2004 9:19pm | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | This reminds me of Oak Bay High playing Rugby - Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:20pm | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | A note on crowd surfers: If they piss you off, you can usually pull them straight down pretty easily. - Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:43am | ||
| Gare User Info... | One guy intentionally smoked me while he was crowd surfing at a Van show.I grabbed his shirt tugged him down and gave him a boot in the ribs lol his friends were not impressed "he was just having a good time" - Tue, 27 Jul 2004 3:35pm | ||
| Bryn User Info... |  If they piss you off, you can usually steal their wallet pretty easily! - Tue, 27 Jul 2004 6:08pm | ||
| samhain User Info... | Anyone who has been to a few shows has most likely been jumped on by a stage diver. Big fucking deal. As long as you're not paralyzed, quit your whining. If I get the urge to stage dive I'm certainly not going to hold back because a few of you people might get upset. If the bouncers/band are okay with it (which in my experience they usually are - in fact the band is usually stoked), the rest of you can live with it too. In fact I'm going to do it more often seeing as it pisses you ladies off so much. You can hit me and kick me but I'm not going to cry about it - just smile, get up and continue or hobble off to the side. None of you stage dive? - Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:18pm | ||
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| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Nothing wrong with stage diving!!! Thats older than moshing ffs!!! But, you morons who think it's cool to elbow and hurt people are just going to end up getting your asses kicked. Mabye thats all fun and games in a punk show , I don't know... But you people who try pulling that at a metal show are going to be singled out by the crowd faster than you can say "I just busted a chick's nose". If you say theres no un-written rules to moshing, I'm willing to bet you're the type of people who ruin it for everyone else, and as you'll probably remember, I bet you guys are the bloody ones after the night is all said and done. Hitting people like that doesn't make you tough or hardcore, it makes you a fucking asshole/fist magnet. If you want to run into a crowd of people and bust them up, at least stick to mallcore shows would ya? - Wed, 28 Jul 2004 3:10pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | 'If you say theres no un-written rules to moshing, I'm willing to bet you're the type of people who ruin it for everyone else, and as you'll probably remember, I bet you guys are the bloody ones after the night is all said and done.' Funny... I've 'skanked' in the past at shows and never had anyone take issue with it. Why? Because people know shit happens in the pit. If you don't want accidents to happen, then you stay away from situations that it's more likely for it to happen. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Oh and BTW, I've never left a pit bloodied...ever. Nor has anyone I associate with here or back home. Now if someone was down in the pit and nobody helped em get up, that would be a different story. Or if someone caught an elbow, brought it to that persons attention and a simple apology wasn't given, then let the shitkicking begin. Samhain/Gato got it right. If ye can't stand the heat stay the fuck outta the kitchen. - Wed, 28 Jul 2004 4:20pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Oh im not talking about accidental elbows man, shit of course, happens. I mean those people who go into pits and intentionally elbow people for the hell of it. Thats total bs and theres no reason for it. - Wed, 28 Jul 2004 8:00pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Then hell yes, if it's intentional, a shit kicking is in order. Guess us old fucks that grew up on 70's/80's punk have a little different mentality when it comes to a good skank. I've never gone out to intentionally hurt anyone, even when I used to wear x-mas tree spiked bands/gear wristlets back in the 80's. Have never seen anyone come off the floor bloodied unless they asked for it. But then again I haven't really gone to any shows for over a year now either. - Wed, 28 Jul 2004 8:57pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Well I think its somewhat a Victorian thing as well.. Not to say people aren't doing this everywhere but, I have noticed that the pits in the commadore are wayyy bigger and about 500% less painful. I've been to several shows in both cities, and I gotta say, every time I leave van, I can't remember seeing anyone elbowing people out of their way... in Vic, useually theres at least one to complain about at each show, that I tend to see anyhow.. And sick enough, it's become quite regular that I am hearing "some sick fucker kept on groping me in the pit and wouldn't back off". At cannibal, I can think of 4 I personally know off the top of my head who had someone continously groping them. I really hope these repeat gropers are identified at some point and get the shit beaten out of them because, needless to say, that should be dealt with whenever possible. - Thu, 29 Jul 2004 1:39am | ||
| Grain Fed User Info... | You just said it right there Dod...... The reason people usually get hurt is because there's too much space in a smaller mosh. If there's alot of people you're usually shoulder to shoulder. It's when the moshers take a couple steps before contact when people feel it. I watched the Smalls at the Rose & Crown in Canmore Alta. There were a few local Rednecks that didn't know of this code you speak. I just stayed away and after awhile most other people did to. Eventually they all end hammering on each other until they got bored with it and then the others came back and had a great time. It was pretty funny they way the mentality changed through the show. - Thu, 29 Jul 2004 5:25am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Aye Grain Fed, same was true back in Regina. Was one SNFU show, and a couple drunken jocks/rednecks had wandered down the street from the Keg to the gig. Started pulling the same shit, but they ended up getting the shit beat out of them when a few people decided dragging em out back was a good idea. Can't say I ever saw them at a gig again. - Thu, 29 Jul 2004 8:33am | ||
| samhain User Info... | First show I ever went to I got groped (and shirt pulled up) and it has been an ongoing theme ever since. Certainly nothing new there. I look at the positive side of it. Free license to elbow the shit out of the guy/girl, get out some pent up agression and point him out to your largest friend. Good times for all. - Thu, 29 Jul 2004 9:23am | ||
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| samhain User Info... | Sure it's homoerotic, but jocks and muchmusic? You're talking out your ass. And who gives a shit if jocks or whoever else jump in - it's all about a good time. But perhaps to solve all these inane little problems people have we should propose assigned seating for the next show. - Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:30pm | ||
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| Gato Negro 13 User Info... | hahahaha what the fuck is that shit? Nelly Furtado in the little hat almost kicks some guy....AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. I love that clip!!!!!You have to tell me what the fuck that is supposed to be. Retarded karate outdoors? - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 7:42am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | It's a bunch of kids "Ninja dancing" or so they're calling it... Sad isin't it? - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:30pm | ||
| Gato Negro 13 User Info... | I have never seen this "ninja dance" before now. It will now and forever be etched into my brain and I will fucking howl at the thought alone. I knew when the jocks started taking over the hardcore scene that some fucking really bad style would ensue....I was right. - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 1:09pm | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | eh if you cant take it dont go in it - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 3:21pm | ||
| Gato Negro 13 User Info... | can't take what? There's no contact. It's a spread out fucking kung-fu display. Shitty bands that get shitty turnouts will have to book arenas so all 8 fans can do the tread dance. I'm not affraid of it...I'm embarrassed for it. - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 5:14pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Wuahaha, if that's susposed to be kung-fu, it's certainly the worst display I have ever seen. Choreographed martial arts are cool, sort of like watching a live fight out of a mortal kombat movie, but this is just downright sad. Furthermore, the title "ninja dancing" is a disgrace to taijitsu practitioners everywhere... They could at least have the decency to call it dance boxing or something else thats equally as stupid. *Also, look at the dork in the camo shorts, thats the worst excuse for a roundhouse I have ever seen!* - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 6:13pm | ||
| Tragedy User Info... | Yup. That's just fucking dumb. - Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:47pm | ||
| Brian VIHC User Info... | Nah Lew nobody calls it ninja dancing except people who hate it. It's just kids spazzing out and being goofballs. There are morons who take it too seriously but they're chumps. And for the record there is often contact at big city shows, when I was in LA and I saw Full Blown Chaos I got punched three times and I was at the back of the room, one huge guy hit me right in the side of the head. Sucked, but whatever. Besides, none of you guys go to hardcore shows, so why do you even concern yourself with it? People are going to get stupid and have fun, so who cares. - Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:07am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Well I can't say i'm suprised people get hit, what with all the flailing of limbs and all... For the record: I had no idea this was a "hardcore" thing... Seems more mallcore to me but whatever.. And we laugh because someone posted the display here for us all to see... sucks you got hit from one o these weirdos though, next time, I recommend you take a bottle of dish soap with you and get the flail floor, now that would be funny ass! - Sun, 1 Aug 2004 3:44am | ||
| Gato Negro 13 User Info... | You're right Brian. People are going to get stupid and have fun at shows. That doesn't look like fun to me but if it is to others then that's cool. Slam dancing looked pretty damn stupid to people not associated with punk in the begining too..... not as stupid as that shit though AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is some stupid looking shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Sun, 1 Aug 2004 8:59am | ||
| Bryn User Info... | OK, so everybody is super worried about the way they think people they don't know dance at shows they don't go to because they heard about it on the internet? - Sun, 1 Aug 2004 8:23pm | ||
| Gato Negro 13 User Info... | okay,like,yeah,totally,pretty much,like,yeah,SUPER worried,yeah. - Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:38pm | ||
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