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| Manfruss User Info... | We are setting out to create a fun, playful, professional band. To do this, we are interviewing potential band members to make sure everyone is a good fit. Here is what we are looking for: Team-Oriented: Communicates actively and selflessly, works diligently and independently, in tune with needs of fellow band members, willing to work with the business side of the band. Leadership Skills: Open to diverse musical styles, owns what they offer to the band, serves the interests of the team and mission of the band. Money-Friendly: Reliable, Financially Viable, has goal of making a living from playing music. (Marketing experience an asset.) Collaborative: Jams well at low volumes, works to perfect craft while playing on despite mistakes, treats the band as a partnership which includes the non-musicians affecting the outcomes of the band. Interpersonal Skills: Openly communicates with other band members and the audience, receptive to diverse musical ideas and perspectives, experience promoting musical events. Ethical: Values legitimacy in personal and business dealings, and being clear-minded while playing music. Understands the business aspects of the band are necessary and allow the musicians greater freedom to explore their craft. Musical Orientation: "Genre-bending." Music and lyrics that reflect happy roots, enjoyable moments, and optimistic outlooks. Music that gets people to spend money to see the band, buy the recordings, play them for others, and buy the merchandise. If you share these attitudes, we would like to meet you before the audition. A group audition, by invitation, will be held in August, 2010 to form the band. Looking forward to meeting you in person! Andy and Alex - Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:25pm | ||
| james burroughs User Info... | So most of these things are pretty standard in being musician. But I would like to point out a HUGE aspect that is pretty essential to starting a band with like minded people. Also kinda the main point of this website THE KIND OF MUSIC YOU PLAY. - Tue, 8 Jun 2010 6:16pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | So far most bands, and musician I have played with have not shared these attitudes. Therefore I don't see them as standard. Partly why we're trying a new approach to getting something rolling. As for the kind of music we'll play, that will follow a rather organic approach which selected members will help determine. - Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:51am | ||
| Wogimlodger User Info... | Ages? - Thu, 10 Jun 2010 1:33pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | Far less important, but we're likely to be playing gigs at places with age restrictions. Bars, pubs, all ages, anything to be getting shows. - Thu, 10 Jun 2010 1:37pm | ||
| RobW. User Info... | no one is going to be interested if you refuse to divulge any information. I doubt most people want to stumble into a candlebox cover band by accident. I've let that happen once, and I tend to screen things as much as possible since. - Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:58am Edited: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:58am | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | That's fine. The information is in the ad... and as far as the kind of music, I want people that are open to playing anything. If you only like to play one style then this isn't for you. So far I've joined tons of bands, and found that the members themselves are the issues.... so I'm looking for serious people, who relate and work well with others and the style that we play will be chosen by the members. I'm not a dictator, and I do not have a set vision of this group. It is a collaboration. If this site doesn't garner any results... that's fine. We are getting results elsewhere. - Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:55pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | The real main goal here is to make sure that all the musician fit and jive with each other personally before we really try to create music. No harmony with each other, no harmony on stage. The style of music should really be less important than that. We want to interview people over the next couple months, and then do an "audition" where we get so see how those people play together. Once we have a core group, we can filter down the the exact style. "Musical Orientation: "Genre-bending." Music and lyrics that reflect happy roots, enjoyable moments, and optimistic outlooks. Music that gets people to spend money to see the band, buy the recordings, play them for others, and buy the merchandise." - Sun, 13 Jun 2010 1:06pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | From reading this, one gets the impression that you and possibly some others are going to be involved in the musical aspect of the band. With that in mind, it might help to know what instruments you already have (even if you're open to more of the same). ~Orgasm of flavour! Doc - Sun, 13 Jun 2010 6:53pm Edited: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 6:53pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | We are very open to all instruments. So far we've interviewed a vocalist, and are lining up more. I'm interested to see what people bring to the table. Personally I favour bass guitar. If musicians listen and create space within a piece you can have many, many voices. At this point we're in an interview stage to see who we meet. Having a solid connection in regards to mutual respects and intent between musicians is vital. We want to meet people first over a coffee, we buy, and see if there is mutual interest. Hope that helps, and please keep posting any questions. Contact me if you're interested in meeting with us. Only about an hour of time needed. Thanks all. - Sun, 13 Jun 2010 7:17pm Edited: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 7:19pm | ||
| mactac User Info... | Here's the problem with your 'genre-bending' comment: Most people who say that are usually full of it, and this type of comment usually comes from inexperience. There needs to be some sort of common view of style to make something like that work. Are you TRULY genre-neutral? Are you going to play Death Metal? Burmese throat singing? John Cage-style 'musical poetry'? Acid techno? Freeform jazz? Musicians (especially amateur ones) more often that not have a fairly narrow capability of styles that they are able to play. Whille I agree one of the most difficult parts of making a band work is having common views, personalities that gel and a common focus, ultimately people have to see eye to eye on style, and have the ability to internalize and feel the music. If there is no focus on style (or even broad style - rock, jazz, country, house, metal, etc) you can be sure that everyone will be spinning their wheels, and you'll waste an incredible amount of time. Running a band, much like a business, is all about VISION. The more solid the vision (and focus), the better chance that something will work. That all being said, I'm not judging your post or you, I'm simply telling you what I (and many other people who have been doing this for a very long time) instantly think when they read something like this... it's cliche, and is usually the mark of a band that really has no real ability to do something special. When I talk to a band who answers the question of "what style of music do you play" with "Oh, funky-rocky-jazzy" - I can usually be certain that they are still playing in their living rooms, and your post takes that concept step further. Good musicians don't want to be in a band with no direction, no vision and no leadership. We've learned our lesson. My advice to you would be to answer the question that you don't want to answer. I know you're afraid of pinning yourself down, but this is one of the biggest points of failure - lack of focus, vision and direction. Don't misinterpret this as saying "musicians only know one style", it's more "don't pretend the style is unimportant". Anyhow, this isn't a rant, just trying to further elucidate on how your post may be interpreted. - Tue, 15 Jun 2010 9:50am | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | I can see your take on it, lets just say that for myself, I'm not too worried about what style I do play. I've played Death Metal, currently do, I've played in rock bands, and I studied Jazz at university. To me what style I play is less important to me than getting out and playing. I love music, and all styles have their gems. I don't want to "pin" down a style, because I'm interested in hearing what concepts others have. Since the audiences pay us to play, and music really is a service we provide, then we should also be thinking about what they want to hear as well. What we want is "Happy-moments, optimistic outlooks, enjoyability"... depending upon your personal take that could still mean anything! I've heard rock that meets this standard, as well as rock that doesn't. This is not likely to be a metal band, but I would like to see what happens when like minded people meet and play. Many great bands didn't know their genre until after the fact. The Doors based their music on jazz and blues, and were called rock in their time. Led Zeppelin was though of as metal, but by today's standards...... The vision of this band is to get shows, and be paid. Whatever style that happens to be. It would be nice to be able to switch when needed. Can you play some country if that is the gig we get? A few Jazz numbers so we can join a show at the Jazz festival? As long as the music itself promotes happiness and positive emotions then we're game. Hope that helps. We don't want a basement band, all we are hoping to do is have something that gets people out to see us. I'm hoping that the people involved in this project will aid in that vision... your experiences and knowledge are only an asset! I'm not a dictator. - Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:11am Edited: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:12am | ||
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| GMT-8 User Info... | I've got to concur with Mactac on this. Who are you to interview and audition anyway? You just come across as a pompous amateur trying to impress us with your 'vision' which isn't even clear! It's all over the place.I for one, will be passing you up. - Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:49pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | I can't imagine what it's like to try and start a band here, with the peanut gallery on LIveVic (of which, admittedly, I am one). . . . but can't we hold off on the public abuse until small-fry has taken his feel-good ensemble to a live stage? At the very least it sounds like an opportunity for a leader to step into a ready-made cast . . . assuming the personalities and talent are there of course. But, yeah . . . you can't really start a 'band' without at least some starting reference point. Seems kinda silly. Good luck to you Manfruss - just PLEASE no fucking indie rock. Shave the beard. - Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:15pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | The "vision" is pretty simple really. To get gigs and money into the pockets of those involved with the band. This means we're likely to play covers to get the shows rolling, and then developing original material as the band evolves and grows together. Why "style" needs to be flexible is so we can maximize our shows. - Thu, 17 Jun 2010 9:30am | ||
| JDL User Info... | my current band and last one was formed from this board... and the current band Im in started very genre neutral. We all came from 4 different backgrounds, jazz/fusion/rock(me), metal, pop punk, industrial rock. I think there's alot of jaded people here because they've tried and tried again to no avail. I understand how hard that can be... i tried for about 3 years to find a good group to play with. But the last thing I ever would do is come here and "tell someone what I think of their post"... especially when they're looking for a band/jam partners/whatever. People do what they do, and we all get by some how...just let it be and dont worry so much about what other people are doing!!!!! - Thu, 17 Jun 2010 9:40am | ||
| mactac User Info... | It seems as though some of you have misconstrued the intent of my post. I'm not trying to nitpick, or "tell someone what I think of their post", I was merely trying to help. Also, when I said vision, I mean real vision. to "make money playing music" is a goal, not a vision. The vision would be how you're going to do it & what it'll look like when it's arrived at the goal. for what it's worth, Vision is extremely important in a band (or company, or even life...) setting, and is one of the larger contributors to success. just trying to give some advice, and help explain why you might have gotten some negative comments.... A lot of us here have been doing this for a very long time, and many of us have learned what has a likelihood of falling apart, and what has a better chance of working, and generally speaking, a band without a musical focus is usually started by people with little experience in the 'real music world'. Of course this sounds pretty cynical & old-codger-ish, but it's the truth. I'm not saying in any way that this is destined to fail, as I'm sure you're passionate about what you're doing, which goes a long way. People seem a bit upset about the cynical comments, and I'm trying to let you know WHY you're seeing them. I wish you nothing but the best, victoria needs more music! - Thu, 17 Jun 2010 9:57am Edited: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:02am | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | lol.... I see misunderstanding so I just try to clarify! :) If people misinterpret what I'm doing, that doesn't help me! - Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:34pm | ||
| MC -K.N.Z. User Info... | To me, seems like all your really looking for is cash. "The "vision" is pretty simple really. To get gigs and money into the pockets of those involved with the band." I don't know why ,but I have a hard time with this statement.I just think that money is a bonus,for gigging. But the sheer joy of performing well and making people feel good to me, is the best part.You can't buy that kind of feeling,you earn it. Maybe this is the point you where originally trying to get across. But, it would still help if you would though out there some sort of reference bands for people to get a hold of what you are trying to create.Maybe something like,between the buried and me? - Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:34am Edited: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:39am | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | I would like to be earning a living doing what I love. Who wouldn't? - Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:53am | ||
| MC -K.N.Z. User Info... | Expectations are a premeditated disappointment. In some cases,it come across as arrogance to expect to make a good living at playing music.In my opinion,anyone who gets into playing music for money, is doing it for all the wrong reasons. Getting paid well is just a bonus.Music comes first. - Sun, 20 Jun 2010 7:37pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | I couldn't agree with you more..... been playing music all my life, and very few paid gigs! :) No harm in hoping! Shoot for the stars and you might hit the moon. - Sun, 20 Jun 2010 9:40pm Edited: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 9:41pm | ||
| SPLIT2ND User Info... | Manfrus,we still need a great bass player. Who loves ya! - Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:18pm | ||
| Manfruss User Info... | As of July 7 we have only 27 interview spaces left and just 9 spaces. Thank you to all who have replied. We've had good responses here and else where. - Thu, 8 Jul 2010 8:56am | ||
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