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Punching people in the head
| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > Punching people in the head |
| Chris User Info... | Does anyone think it is cool to go to shows and punch people in the head? Personaly, I'm torn on the question. On one hand: I went to the Thornley show a few weeks back at sugar. I was jumping up and down as much as the rest of the crowd when some fat, ugly, bitch turned around and said, "Hey, calm down". I replied, "This is a rock concert, and if you don't like it, than maybe you should get the fuck out of here." Fucken cow puched me in the eye with her chubby fist. -I didn't think that was too cool. On the other: I was at the Sparta show last night and the six man mosh pit was getting pretty agro, so I stepped back a few meters. Aparently not far enough. Next thing I know, some 100 pound mosher gets his head tossed into mine and I black out for a second. I wanted nothing more than to go over to those 6 ass holes and punch them all in their faces. -Strike one up for punching being cool. I think now, I'm leaning more towards puching being cool, but what do I know. I'm just some guy that gets beat up by girls and sports a fine looking gooser on my forhead. Punching people in the head? y/n - Mon, 31 May 2004 6:02pm | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | I don't know but some bouncer at Evolution last night thought it was cool to kick a guy in his head while he was down. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 5:26am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Damn, u see that? - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 5:54am | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | yeah, some guy and his girlfriend were being complete morons and spitting and jumpin on the bouncers, so it turned into a bit of a fight, but the kick to the head was way out of line, shit the guy was on the ground getting punched by the bouncer on top of him then the other bouncer walked up and kicked him in the head.Iam not trying to say the couple weren't guilty of starting shit or that all the bouncers there weren't doing their best but yeah the kick was pretty fucked. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 6:24am | ||
| Wreaker of Havoc User Info... | wife brings luke warm beer, stand in way of game, forgets that I like my nachos with cheese in the middle.....chalk another one up for punching in face being cool..... - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 6:57am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | And people wonder why I'd love to have Evolution shut down. This shit keep happening and everyone just accepts the fact. What has to happen before people give a fuck, someone gets killed after taking a shot in the head from a bouncer and lands funny? BTW: Will there be charges laid against the bouncer that kicked the victim in the head? BTW: I do realize that some of you here don't like me too much, or what I have to say about these topics, personally I don't care. The violence in clubs has to stop! - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 7:05am | ||
| Velius User Info... | It has its time and place. Some fuck ran up to my buddy at the FF show and booted him in the fuckin knee, fracturing his kneecap. And at every show in Vancouver, there is always 6-12 7ft tall 400lb assholes standing on the edge of the pit punching people in the head with thier backs turned. Big man, big man. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 7:11am | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | Hey I had a front row seat to that stomping last night.... little over the edge I guess, but the Spazz did need to be taken out of there. Really though, the bouncer coulda just sat on his chest till the pigs showed up... but I think he was a little pissed that the guy punched him in the face, hence the extra booting. The other boucer just about booted his chick in the face after throwing her down too... but stopped just shy. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 8:18am | ||
| Tommy User Info... | Again, if you are drunk, and out of control, you have a way bigger chance you will end up with a boot to the teeth. I haven't had a problem with the bouncers at Evolution. I've seen the big Russian looking guy manhandling a couple of people, but maybe they asked for it. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 8:41am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Thats actually something I can say about evo that is still good, the bouncers. Fact is they get their jobs done and quite frankly, if someone punched me in the face, bouncer or not, I think my initial reaction would be to hit back as well.. Every time I hear a "Some asshole walked up to me and tried to attack me for no reason at evo" it has allways been followed with something along the lines of "but then the bouncer was on the guy in 3 seconds and tossed him out of the bar" They do their jobs and are nice to boot, given you're not spitting and punching them in the face... - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:15am | ||
| The Other Nick User Info... | Meh, its ok. I tend to prefer a good side kick to the kidey followed by 2 shots to the solar-plexis (spelling?) and then an elbow combow (depending on the range). Might switch it up and throw a face punch in there occasionally, but they tend to get blocked. I should probably fake low first before i face-punch. Either that or buy a handgun. How much is the goin' rate for a handgun around here anyways. I thought i might buy one for a band-promo pic, sorta like Samoth from the Zyklon promo pic. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:30am | ||
| Tragedy User Info... | Guns are for wigger pussies who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Just my personal opinion. Chalk one more up for punching, if it's vs. guns, anyway. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:49am | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Have to agree with Griph in what he said. Could care less whether someone was tossing punches at a bouncer or not. Punch/spit back and toss their asses out, fine. Boot to the head while your down, not at all cool. Now I remember why I don't go to bars. Drunken assholes and aggro bouncers with too much testosterone. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:04pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Who gets hit by bouncers 99% of the time? Drunken assholes who are starting something. What do you think bouncers are there to do, hand you a flower and ask you to stop? They are there to be the muscle if things go wrong. Buddy got a kick in the head... good he probably wont do that again at Evolution then will he. Whether you like them or not they arent there to be your buddies or be nice guys they are there to be the hired goons, end of story. If they happen to be nice guys on top of that then hey thats rad but it aint in the job description. As for the hitting thing at shows, if that guy in the pit had of hit me like that I would of kicked his head in right there. Violence isnt right but sometimes when somebody hits you the only answer is to bust their face. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 1:59pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | I guess it's fine for drug dealers and loan sharks to have their thugs bust people up for not 'following the rules' too then. You know, since they're just doing their job and all.... Rubbish. Or maybe it's ok for cops to bust up someone that 'gets out of hand'. Sorry Jay, that might've flown 50 years ago, but sure as hell would end up in court today. - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 3:35pm | ||
| Dirty User Info... | Id Just like to give everyone my side of the story, cause I was the guy who got punched in the face!!! The couple was asked to leave the bar with two options: 1 either leave quietly on there own or 2 be escorted out. They chose #2. Once we got to the door the guy turned and spat in my face! So I hit him in the shoulders and Knocked him to the ground. The Girl didnt like that too much and came at me. As I was dealing with her( cause you cant hit a women, even though youd like to sometimes) the guy got up off his ass and sucker punched me in the nose! Instant blood running out of my face! What would you do??? I take that shit personally! So I decided to kick the shit outta this fuck. While this is happening the female decides to retaliate and came at both me and my doorman, where she proceeded to rip his necklace off from around his neck and start clawing at both of us. So whos in the wrong now eh??? Theese two people were fucked! If youre gonna pull that shit be prepared to get an ass kicking. End of story - Tue, 1 Jun 2004 8:35pm | ||
| John Coyote User Info... | "I've seen the big Russian looking guy manhandling a couple of people, but maybe they asked for it" "They do their jobs and are nice to boot, given you're not spitting and punching them in the face" "If youre gonna pull that shit be prepared to get an ass kicking" Couldn't agree more with Shaggy--if we were talking about cops here, most of the guys saying this crap would be crying police brutality. And don't tell me cops don't face worse shit than bouncers. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 3:38am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Bouncers aren't Police Officers. Think about it, what use would a bouncer be if everyone who ASSAULTED THEM just walked away and was told "hey you better not do that again or I'll press charges!" Bouncers are hired muscle, and they aren't cops who have a duty to restrain you and press charges, bouncers are there to throw out trouble makers and if they must, stop their violence with some of their own... "nuff said" And I'd also like to ask you, what fucking bouncer in this city wouldn't "lay the smaketh down" after you act like a fuck, destroy their property, spit on them and make them bleed from assault????? Not a single one, and I don't care what babble anyone wants to contradict that with, it's the truth. And if you assault a Cop, they can and will club your ass to the ground right up until the point where you're submissive and in the back of a cruiser. A bouncer will do it until you're the fuck off their property and no longer assaulting patrons and employees. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 8:50am | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | All bullshit aside, 1 man on his back getting punched in face, and another walks up and soccer punts guy in the head?Hmmmmm, I don't give a shit how it started, but that is a move that is exclusive to cowards.Ask yourself , would I kick a guy full on in his head if he was already getting his ass (so deservingly) kicked?I saw what they did and yes they asked for a fight, the couple went apeshit and were in the wrong, but so was the guy who without threat to himself, unless he considers a guy who is currently getting his ass handed to him a threat, chose to full out kick the guys face.Geee how many people have died from shit like that. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:34am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Ya thats a little over the line, I diddn't see how this exact scene went down, mabye in my head I'm seeing it wrong, I just figured buddy probably hit bounder A in the nose making him grab his face and shit while the other bounder tackled and punched him then after the initial my nose may be broken shock bouncer B booted the guy... I dunno, look at it like this *keep in mind I dunno how this evo shit went down* but say that some jock fuck came and throttled you in the nose making blood run etc. I saw it, tackled him and hit him in the face a few times, you then turn around with blood on your hands from this asshole hitting you and kick him in the head. I wouldn't get mad at you, I'd simply go with "the asshole had it coming" When someone injures you, you get man and hit em, now I'm not down with kicking those who are down, but if a guy punched me in the face and u hit him a few times, I'd personally not even care or see what you did to him, "I" never hit him so I boot him once and thats the end of it, I dunno mabye I'm just calice but I have absolutely zero sympathy for drunken assholes who attack people and if someone who he hit wants to boot him just once while he's down, I say he deserved it... *then again if you wanna mabye say exactly how it went down the view could of course change* - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:26am | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | Ok to make it a little more specific the guy (Dirty) who got punched in the nose got pissed off and kicked ass all over the place, he wasn't the guy who threw the kick to the guy who was down,he was too busy with the fight to take the time to walk up on anyone like that.Dirty reacted like anyone, got mad and tried to end the fight.No fault to him at all.Like I said all of the guys were doing what they had to except 1, the dude who did the cheap shot was the same guy who was kicking the guy across the road while they punk getting kicked was throwing his hands up saying shit like stop stop Iam not fighting.Fuck ...I just call it the way I saw it, Iam not out to damn the bar or the staff.... - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:01pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Well i'd have to agree with you if the guy who kicked him was never injured himself, especally when described as a "soccor punt". That guy must be new *or so I hope*, not like the bouncers I have been around for years to be that careless... Thats Evos only constant for me *other than crap music* is that the bouncers were allways good guys, I dunno I just can't picture any of the ones I know losing it like that... But yeah man, I'll agree that is pretty bad and definately un-called for... - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:19pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | If a cop did it? Fucking hell I've been pounded into the pavement by cops a few times, and seen my friends beaten almost to death by them. My best friend in fact spent ten years in court because he almost died from a police beating and the cops didnt even fire him they gave him early retirement. I've had mace sprayed in my face by them and had their fists and clubs planted in my face numerous times. Never have I seen a bouncer use even close to the amount of force that I have seen the cops use. You must also take into account that I spent ten years bartending in nightclubs. Cops get charged about once for every thousand acts of police brutality. Bouncers have no back up on hand other than the other bouncers, cops have other cops and guns. I watched three of my bouncers get stabbed one night by a bunch of freaks at the door and you know what the cops did when they got there... they grabbed me and a few other staff members and let the guys holding the knives walk right by them out the door. Of course they were charged later on but they literally walked right by the cops while we were telling the cops to hold onto them and they let them go.Those are the kinds of things bouncers have to think about when they are doing their jobs. They could get shot or stabbed by any fuckhead with a bit of booze in him and an attitude. The only reason a bouncer is there is to stop people from fucking up in the club, as quickly as possible. If that means they get a punch in the head then that's what it means. If you dont like getting hit by them then dont do silly things in the club, it's really very simple. Hell I've been shitkicked by a few bouncers and I totally deserved it. Drunken stupid idiot starting shit in the wrong place with the wrong people, it's not rocket science people. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:46pm | ||
| John Coyote User Info... | The point isn't that cops don't beat the shit out of people, because they certainly do. The point is that if a cop kicked your buddy in the head, you'd scream police brutality, while if a bouncer did it, it's because the guy 'deserved it.' (I'm not replying to anyone in particular here.) Personally I think brutality is brutality. Everyone has the right to self-defense--that doesn't extend to kicking the shit out of someone because they pissed you off. I've worked in bars for sixteen years and I've worked with bouncers who could put you in the ICU without breaking a sweat--but THEY NEVER DID. I've also worked with bouncers who were trigger-happy knuckleheads who just got off on causing people pain. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 1:33pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | dude if some fat asspiglet pulled that shit on me, i'd ram a table down her throat. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 1:41pm | ||
| John Coyote User Info... | Wow! Cool. - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 2:04pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | For the last posts, I completely agree with both Jay and John. I have worked security at gigs more than once, which I can personally tell you is no stress free cross your arms and act like a prick situation, I'ts constant stress knowing anything can happen and you have to do everything you can to stop it, hopefully before anyone other than you gets hurt and all that... When you have psychos fighting and then attacking you, Jay is completely on the money whith what he said, at any given time. All it takes is a tiny knife, your split second distraction, and one drug induced swing by a flailer and you have yourself a slashed neck or worse... Now as for evo, you look at the crowd there.. I think the only bar with a tougher bouncer job would be boom boom. Evo's bouncers are constantly called into action, have seen shit happen with no warning over and over again, and yeah, when people are out of line like that, the real only way to protect yourself, and everyone else, is to disable the person as quickly as you possibly can if they have become violent. You don't do that, and it's the customers who will get hurt or hell, even hurt him worse... Then again, when one bouncer clearly has control of the situation, and you take out the factor of "that asshole just busted my face" on the other bouncer's part.. Well basically it's a guy getting kicked in the head for no reason what so ever.. and yes, that shouldn't be tolerated.. I would only accept that morally knowing the person who was kicked in that manner had just assaulted the kicker, making it a heat of the moment revenge agression thing, and I find that sadly acceptable since, after all, if someone punched me in the face, it was bleeding, and they were on the floor, I can't say for sure I wouldn't kick them, just to return the favour on my personal behalf... But yeah, after Silverfish's last post there, It's pretty clear that was a %100 un-neccessary assault, unfortunately enough... It would be interesting to hear the Bouncer who laid in that kick's opinion... - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 2:09pm | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | I can think of one sicker bar to work at... I just found out my buddy's bouncin' there too: the Dougie - Wed, 2 Jun 2004 8:09pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | It seems that there is a lot of violence at Evolution nightclub, so where does the problem lie?!? I've been there a few times, and I've noticed that it gets REALLY hot in there when it packs. I asked one of the bartenders to open a door and get some air in there, but he looked at me like I was a moron. With the heat, you tend to get dehydrated, so people tend to pound back lots of alcohol. Which is the main reason why people get violent/stupid. Perhaps they should cut off people when there really drunk, but this never seems to happen anywhere in Victoria. methinks Evo needs to get a better ventilation system there. I'm sure the bouncers don't need to get assaulted. - Thu, 3 Jun 2004 7:03pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | I punched someone in the face just the other day, it was deserved though, and fun for me... first time since grade 7. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 3:34pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Sorry guys, but Bouncers are or at least should be customer service, period. I have had a problem with the bouncers at Evolution one time, it involved them getting out of hand with a girl, but at the end of the day, if you talk to them, not all drunk, they pretty resonable (and fixed the problem), and yes I'd say 99% they are are doing a good job. As for Jay getting knocked around by cops more times then you can count or whatever, you are probably a criminal as I personally know NO ONE who has ever had a run in with the Cops like you have described. In fact most run ins with the five-O I have had have been pretty good, maybe its a Victoria thing? Getting punched in the pit? Its an aggressive place, granted Sparta, what the fuck were they thinking (some people do too much of the "other" drugs). I was at the show and just stood back a bit and enjoyed the prog-rock. - Fri, 4 Jun 2004 3:47pm | ||
| Autumn User Info... | regardless of if the bouncer who kicked him in the hed was injured it sounds like the guy fucking deserved it, I'm sick of pussy assed jerks starting shit just because the police or bouncers or whatever aren't technically allowed to kick thier asses back, they're cowards who just hide behind the law too act tough and they deserve to be called out and put in thier place. As for the punching pro or con question I'm generally fine with the amount of punching in Victoria, in a mosh pit it's totally understandable but I wish some of you 6'5" 250 pound enourmous men would at least try to avoid punching us 5'5" 110 pound girls in the back of the head cause it fuckin hurts, punch me anywhere else but it's not very fun to wake up hungover with ur head feeling like its about to come off (and don't tell me to stay out of the mosh pit cause a drunken me will just be encouraged) - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:16pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | "I punched someone in the face just the other day, it was deserved though, and fun for me... first time since grade 7" Wholy shit!, You decking someone??? Now I've heard it all!!! :o - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 1:01pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Regardless of whether in the pit or at the bar, who the hell would sucker punch a chick?!? That's low! - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 2:07pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | Ya, You know him as Matt, so you know he deserved it! - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 2:42pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | A criminal? Nope I dont do drugs, I dont steal, I actually make it a point to not do anything the cops can fuck with me over, other than drinking and getting in the ocassional bar brawl I dont do anything illegal. You know what I have done though, I've been a punk rocker on the corner with a mohawk and a skateboard and since you olviously have no clue, back in the eighties and nineties thats all you had to do to get shitkicked by a cop in this city. I am far from the only one I have many friends that have the same stories I do about the cops here and other places, they did the same thing to punks back then that they did to hippies in the sixties and the rockers in the seventies, and greasers in the fifties, and the beatniks before that, and the zoot suiters before that, and so on and so on. If you think you have to do anything other than be downtown often enough and look and dress in a way they dont like then your living with your head in the sand. - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 3:25pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | fair enough Jay... I dress like a square so there you go. Not to say I don't have some friends on the "other" side of the law, but they have it down so the police don't bug them. Also, I was too young in the 80s to get beat up by cops :) - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 6:01pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | I hear ya, I wish sometmes that I had of been, they dont seem to care too much about peoples hair cuts anymore. I think we had the overkill on that one and now theyre all worn out on it. I could of lived without getting my head kicked in repeatedley as a young teenager just cause I had a mohawak. But I guess in a way it made me who I am. - Sat, 5 Jun 2004 9:43pm | ||
| Nocturna User Info... | Maybe it was your eyeliner JB, not the hawk ;) ;) ;) I must say I've never had too many negative run-ins with cops in Victoria. Even Valentine was fairly nice to me. It was all those crazy rocker bitches you had to watch out for. - Sun, 6 Jun 2004 3:58pm | ||
| Russian User Info... | Sanger: Interested in my opinion? What do you want to know? - Mon, 7 Jun 2004 9:22pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Russian: Curious to hear your version of what happened.. Did you punt the guy out of anger or for another reason? Curious to hear weather you view it as "yeah I booted him he deserved it" or if mabye there was another reason, and if so, what happened ? - Tue, 8 Jun 2004 8:39am | ||
| Russian User Info... | Sorry for the late relpy Sanger. I was intending to get in to a story to enlighten all of the on goings from the start to finsh. It's kinda pointless now seeings it's a dead issue. However I did want to answer your question so not to leave you hanging. While Working, it is work. There is no pleasure or emotion in doing your job. In this case the customer assaulted one worker of the club and attempted to assault me. I was directly involved in this incident and I ensured the customer would not attempt to assault any other person this evening. This was not a simple one on one there were other factors, the posiblilities of wepons, the astranged woman who also assaulted both workers of the club and at the time we did not know if these two people had friends with them to broden the scope of the altercation. Why did I hit them? Because I felt that it's a resonable expectation that if you hit someone you will be hit back. I used force to attempt to subdue the customer who was assulting my co worker and I. Why did I use my feet? Because I am trained to use them. I enjoy martial arts in my spare time and when needed in altercations I use these tools. Hands, eblows, knees and feet. Nothing personal. In this altercation I fractured my thumb and need to use my knees and feet. Had I not the results would have been different. I hope this answers you questions. I will check the board if there are more. - Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:53am | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | "Ya, You know him as Matt, so you know he deserved it! " Bah - Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:31pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Thats what would piss me off about being a bouncer. I'd hate to fracture my thumb b/c some dick got too drunk. - Sun, 13 Jun 2004 2:26pm | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | I have taken martial arts as well, my instructor used to be a bouncer.He never avocated kicking someone in the head while they are held down by someone else.Puch the guy out, he was not that big, or put him in an arm bar....excuses, I dare you to say ( with a straight face) while the puke was on his back getting punched in the face you were just looking out for everyone when you punted his head... - Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:51pm | ||
| Russian User Info... | Danny, You know where to find me if you want to see my straight face..... I would not have a problem debating this in person if you like. Like I said I wanted to post a full play by play, perhaps I should have to rid of the cheap comments. This incident played out for about 15 minutes before it developed into a fight. The fight took less than 30 seconds. In these 30 seconds choices were made, perhaps not ethical choices in your view but choices for survival non the less. I don't get paid to get hurt. I get paid to get the job done with no injury to my staff, patrons or myself. I believe that if your opponent stops, is arrested, taps out or is no longer a threat then the situation is resolved. Tell me; Did this person at any time give up the fight and walk away. The answer is No. He was arrested as well as his counterpart. They were charged and I will be attending trial to prosecute them both. Not only did they not give up at the time, they did not cease and Desist after the police arrived. Even after being arrested the two continued to beat the crap out of the inside of the patty wagon. Does this sound like a normal situation or were these people cracked out and unpredictable? I can't believe your logic in your comments. Your not spewing your points of view but the view of your X bouncer martial art instructor. Hmmmm... Let me get this right. By your words (and for the record this is not what happened) you instructor does not agree with kicking someone when they are held down by someone else but he does advicate punching the guy out in that same senario. Blow for blow what's the difference. I say that a percing punch will rip more flesh and cause more damage than a pushing kick any day. Really as I said we are there to be effective by getting the job done quickly and with no injury to the workers or customers that may be around. In your comments you mentioned an arm bar or some wrestling move? In this case with a second person jumping on my back ripping my shirt/necklass and gouging my neck I prefer to be on my feet. Once you go to the ground you open your self up to a world of problems expecially when there is more than one person involved in the altercation Justifiable use of force: At the end of it all these two could still walk, they were coherent, they did not have any broken bones or Concussion. These two didn't have to seek medical attention. This leaves me to believe that the hits that were sustained were not brutal, they were not overbaring and they were justifiable Any questions......... - Tue, 15 Jun 2004 3:34am | ||
| merghutroid User Info... | What BS. No bouncer at ANY TIME has the right to inflict a beating onto a unruly customer! That is ASSAULT. You are hired to remove people from the premises, not dropkick people in the face. Hopefuly the VPD see this thread and charge you with assault. I dont care how out of control, how much spit, or how many punches are thrown by a customer at a bouncer, it is the bouncers SOBER job to restrain the person, the way police do, as Danny says with arm bars, and half nelsons, not punch them and or kick them. If I were the victim, Id be looking to press charges against you. Anyone who tries to justify this idiot bouncers actions is delusional. Not the first time that crap has gone down at Evo. And bouncer guy. You say you are a skilled fighter. It should have been no problem for you to deke and block the customers attempts to injure you. You are sober, he is drunk beyond comprehension. Even if he did land a punch, you still dont have the right to punch him back, as you are the professional who's job it is to evict the person, not beat him down. its exactly THAT kind of bullshit that makes me have contempt against shit nightclubs. Id like to ask a question.. ever heard of a bouncer at Steamers, or Lucky Bar or Logans, having to BEAT a guy up? No. You get a guy like little Ben at Lucky escorting you out the door in a headlock. But then these testosterone dripping shitholes like Legends, Evo, and Sugar where the bouncers think its their god given right that they are allowed to be complete tough guy dicks. It makes me sick. I say if a bouncer punches you, CHARGE THE FUCK! ( or come back with bat and dole out some old school justice on the fuckers car and face ) - Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:14am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | So you're saying that people should be able to hit bouncers and not expect to get HIT back??? What kind of hippy double standard bullshit is that? Because the bouncer gets $ to be there he should have to endure punches and kicks and defend with arm-bar attempts??? :| I say, you get violent on someone, they then get violent on you, you got what you deserved. - Tue, 15 Jun 2004 2:04pm | ||
| Russian User Info... | merghutroid You are FULL OF SHIT. Get you GD head out of your ass and walk away from your life long road of crack abuse. Your last line. " or come back with bat and dole out some old school justice on the fuckers car and face " Tells me that you are a weak, cheap, chicken shit pencil neck geek, or at least you act that way in your words. There are no suggestions in my posting to the effect that bouncers have a god given right to beat people or that they are allowed to be complete tough guy dicks. This is your own preception or perhaps one of your drunken rampages gone sour when you tried to pull you balls out of your wifes purse on a night out on the town. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you, but your uninformed rant is just that. It is a nusence to have a well handled situation be criticized by someone that was not there and then that person try to generalize what they know nothing about with something that they heard or may know happens in other clubs. PS. Because of your postition or status in society ability or state of mind does not leed to hanycaps for people in fights. If you go to a fight tournament drunk, stupid, high, tired or small this does not mean you get a handy cap during the bout. These rules apply to the street as well. That is why bouncers, police and all security people don't drink while they work. No person has to wait to get hit first. In most cases the fight is over in the first hit. An example to this is a girl has to allow a rape to accure before she is allowed to screem rape. NO. The girl knows the score long before she is any ware close to that situation. This applies to a fight as well. No one has to be hit first, if there is a threat procieved and you feel that you are in danger then you may strike first. Get your facts together.... Any more questions........ - Tue, 15 Jun 2004 2:26pm | ||
| Danny Silverfish User Info... | Man, I didn't say it would be ok to punch the guy out while being held down.And seriously your going to say kick the guy in the head while he is already being delt with?And for gods sake the guy was pinner, you should be able to handle him, the bald guy was doing just that when you did your punt to the head.Seriously fuck it.... - Tue, 15 Jun 2004 9:39pm | ||
| Shaggy User Info... | Good luck arguing with a cement head Danny. It's like trying to bust down a wall with a feather. - Wed, 16 Jun 2004 7:13am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Bouncers like beating dudes up. At least that's my experience. Like cops. It's fun for 'em. I'd love it too, who wouldn't? Feels good sometimes. Lines get crossed all the time. - Wed, 16 Jun 2004 7:23am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I dunno Russian, there should be a better way of dealing with an incident like that. I mean you have to worry about being charged with assault and sued by that patron, regardless of what they did at the time. Doesn't Evilution (err... Evo) have a training class for your bouncers?!? They should. - Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:34pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | If you SPIT on someone, you're gunna get kicked in the head. - Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:48pm | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | I've been drinkin' in this city for years and I've witnessed bouncers handling situations in most, if not all, the bars/nightclubs at one time or another. I'm of the opinion that most of patrons deserved the treatment they were getting. I've been drunk off my feet more than once and I've yet to get beaten up for it. Cut off and thrown out? Yes. Beaten up? No. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know that it's a bad idea to tangle with bouncers because they have backup. Not the drunken, tough talking backup of your friends, but real SOBER backup by guys being paid to keep the bar safe for all the other patrons. I'm sure there are bouncers who use more force than is necessary but even when drunk what do you expect when you start shit with them? My question to all of you on livevic is this: What do you think this guy who got 'assaulted' will learn from this encounter? - Sat, 19 Jun 2004 6:25pm | ||
| kurmudgeon User Info... | from the perspective of someone who works at a bar. escorting(read tossing) patrons out. is the scariest part of my job. i have yet to beat someone up but any violent action and i hit him hard and fast and if he doesn't go down i 'll hit really hard and not neccesarily in a gentlemanly spot. ie throat, nuts or eyes. i'm not condoning violence by bouncers but no other job do you risk getting punched kicked or stabbed by customers. - Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:29pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I totally feel for any person who has to deal with drunken patrons (eg bouncers), granted, I just feel bad for the poor sob who's obviously not that tough that gets stomped by a bouncer with an attitude. I respect guys like Geoff Thompson, who decided to become a bouncer just cause it was a challenge, and knows how to deal with a patron. He's also into martial arts, and can deal with a situation properly. But I babble. - Sun, 20 Jun 2004 2:29am | ||
| Pooetry User Info... | I agree. You babble. - Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:59pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Yeah yeah, sometimes it's interesting, and sometimes it's downright annoying, but it makes ya think! :) - Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:07am | ||
| Dirty User Info... | Im the guy who took the sucker punch to the face.You know what I got in the mail today!!!! I received an envelope with a letter asking if I want to continue to press charges against the two maggots that started all this shit! I found it quite amusing. It stated that I was the victim of an assult. Am I gonna press charges against theese fucks??? NO! Why??? Cause they got a shit kickin like you would not believe. Sure fighting aint always the way out, but if you re gonna start something, be prepared to finish it plus some! Karma has its ways! - Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:05am | ||
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