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ALLFATHER, FUNERARY CALL ETC...
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| kittykat666 User Info... | I didn't go, 'cause I had to work(fuck) but I want to know how the show was.... I haven't seen Allfather in ages... are they any good these days? I heard some things.... - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 5:00am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | HEY!! - Recognize me??? Hahhaha *Tip: Shocker* As for the show, I was really fucking sauced so I completely forget the 2nd band, first band seemed to be 2 dudes with a keyboard and some war pictures, not sure if they played any songs at all, 3rd band was sounding pretty good when I clued in, nice and heavy, and then of course Allfather, who again kicked ass, and got me more drunk with their epic horn they kept pouring pitchers in and passing around, I got so drunk I fell over 2x in the pit *that has never happened before* and noone even kicked me once!!!! WTF is wrong with you people??? I dont want help off the floor, I want BLOOD!!!! Wuahahaha Though after the show was pretty lame, my friends dissappeared *assholes* who were susposed to drive me home!! Oh right about being booted, I guess someone did get kicked, heather fell in the pit, and stayed down for a while, I assume someone who shouldhave booted ME hit her, hope the battle wounds ain't too bad, looked like a pretty bad hit... My head hurts, I got loaded as hell before I got there, and then blew 40 something bucks on beer whilst inside, not to mention the freebies I slammed!!! Fuck I still have a beer ticket even!!! So all and all, it was a good night, though my one bitch is I diddn't get to recouperate my losses by pimping off my seedy friends! I had pimp slapped them and everything!! I guess wrecker's braid contest was where all the action was, damnit! \m/ - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 8:51am | ||
| FeLiXtheCaT User Info... | i didn't know you were going to pimp last night. lol. well i enjoyed the show last night, i had a kick ass time. the bands that played were really good but the people making the music in between bands with the pianos was pretty lame. it was an half an hour of lameness i could have done with out. for my first victoria metal show since i moved here, i'm very impressed and i'm for sure going to more in the future to come. hey D�d[]Sanger i introduced myself to you last night(i saw your pic in your profile and reconised you), i talked to you for like 5 mins and you told me how stoned you were like 10 times; it was pretty funny. overall great show. lots of hot metalhead boys to look at. - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:40pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Ahh yes, I only remember talking to you for like 5 seconds, diddn't know it was 5 minutes ahahah And yes I was fucking high, when I bumped into you I had just came back from toking yet again outside and had slammed 1/2 another pitcher with a friend, so yep I was pretty fucked up. I just remember you saying, do you post on live vic, I say yep, dod sanger, then barreled upfront as allfather was starting, but this will no doubt go to prove that my brain doesn't work properly the day after I get fucked up. And you say you got to see a bunch of hot metal guys? What I wanna know is where the hell were all the metal chicks??? The only ones I saw there were like, 6 friends and theyve been the only metal girls I've known for a while - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 1:22pm | ||
| FeLiXtheCaT User Info... | well i'm a lone ranger. i really haven't met any chick or guy here who likes the same things like metal. and yes there were hot guys their, there's no way i'd say no to that; it was a relief on my part because now i know if i go to shows more than maybe i can get myself a guy.lol. maybe next time i see you at a show, maybe we can make some auction agreements. lol it's alright that you were fucked up, i found it entertaining. you were telling me about how your roommates are from allfather. but meh. - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 3:55pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | God, I'm fucking tired. One of the more interesting shows I've seen in a while, I (un???)fortunatley missed the first band, so no comment. Inhuman, they were ok, though everything was way too fucking loud, my interal organs got one hell of a beating. Been hearing about these guys for a while now, I think I would like to check them out again minus the sound, but overall not my favorite. Funerel Call were great!! I fucking loved them, it was like listening to a soundtrack almost, very dark, epic, mysterious stuff. Though they needed to kick it up a notch at the end of their set, we were falling asleep at a table, wishing we had blankets. And at times the music made me want to stab. Allfather, jeesh, you get better everytime I see you. Great stage presence, the torches and drinking horns were great, nice to see nothing got broken. So worth my $8. Jasper's got his own cheering section now, you're a star in Canada now! Can't wait for the SOS/Allfather show in a few weeks, Adrian, Preacher, don't forget! - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 3:58pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Lol, Allfather would be my jam roomates, they had me on the list so I wasn't about to not go flail for em, is what I meant, dunno what I said as I was loaded. - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 4:03pm | ||
| moron User Info... | get a room already - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 4:09pm | ||
| Perpetual_Burn User Info... | Damn, Lucky Bar draws out all the Goth kids. Makes me feel wicked underground for hanging out at Logan's all the time with the same six people who ever go there.... - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 4:32pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Yep, we had like the whole troop there! ahahah And hey, I'll take goths over preps anyday - Sat, 14 Feb 2004 4:37pm | ||
| kittykat666 User Info... | of course i remember you "dod sanger"... so glad to hear allfather was good, and nice touch it sounds with the drinking horn and torches.... i hope i can make it to their next show, but i am a slave to my job... was this the first show with jasper as second guitar? i cannot remember if they had played w/ him yet... anyways, kudos to ALLFATHER... great musicians and great metal... by the way... HAGBERZERKER!!! you at 80's this week? email me eh! - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:49am | ||
| Gordon (Fuku2) Raymond User Info... | Missed this one. Don't have a car and buses suck. I think we played a show with Allfather once at little fernwood years ago. Our band name was Meddryan at the time and we played a different style than our current band. I was so drunk that night but I'm feeling much better now. :D - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 7:53am | ||
| pathetic User Info... | holy shit... i go to read a show review and all i see is fucking idiots making asses of themselves name-dropping people in the bands that played. who gives a shit if you were guestlisted or if you "know" someone in the band. 'dods anger', 'kittykat666' i'm sure if you are as "close" with these people as you claim to be, you'd just give them a call at home instead of desperately reaching out to them on a public message board. if this is how shallow the metal scene in victoria is, i'm glad i'm not part of it. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 3:30pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | What's just as bad is someone pathetic coming on here trying to make themselves look "grim", "kvlt" and "troo" while putting down the people guilty of ruining a review thread with name dropping. Missed the first band (as usual...never seem to be able to get to the bars until 10:45pm). Inhuman was on as I arrived. The music was decent enough for black metal. Not being a huge fan of the genre aside from a few innovators, I can appreciate what they were going for. A tad generic and mundane. The female bassist was doing some decent finger picking, which I can definitely respect. Not really my bag overall though. Funerary Call. Thundering processed drums, syth-orchestra and lots of ambience. Sleepy. 20 minutes too long. While it was great to have variety at a show, these guys were too far removed for me to get into it. However, they do their genre well. Allfather were ripping, tight and heavy. Great sound! Great set! The addition of Jasper has really solidified Allfather's status as one of Canada's best war/black/odin (not sure what to call their style) metal bands. Paul doesn't seem to have any tendency toward getting tired while playing so fast. Always impressive! Of course, the bass work was a treat to watch as well. Excellent job guys! You are well on your way to getting much deserved recognition. Overall, worth the $8 just for Allfather. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 5:23pm | ||
| Pooetry User Info... | Well, if you can't name-drop from the metal scene then you are nothing. Like duh. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 5:52pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | I thought Allfather were crushing as usual. The extra guitar in there really added to their power. The last song they did, the new one, was really good and shows that there are good things in the future from these guys. Inhuman were pretty good too I thought. Good bass playing, good drumming and good guitar work. Good to see this genre of metal in Victoria for a change, although Im not a huge BM freak I like diversity. And they had a good presence up there. Missed the first band, and the 3rd didnt do much for me but make me yawn and wonder why they werent on before the heavy stuff.. Pathetic guy, I think if Dodsanger wanted to 'reach out' to Allfather he would just go to their jamspot that they rent from him. Hey, my band jams next door but if I say so Im a namedropper right.. I think the point your missing is that Victoria has a relatively tight knit metal scene where alot of people dont really keep in touch until they see each other at gigs. So what if these people drop names, alot of them have known eachother for years. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 6:12pm | ||
| sydzviscious User Info... | from what i remember it was a kick ass show... inhuman was sweet. allfather was good too but the mushrooms took over at that point so i only made it through half their show before i had to bail out and walk victoria for 4 hours. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 7:28pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | This show kicked 10 kinds of ass....I really enjoyed the first band, reminded me a lot of post-apocalyptic industrial groups like Kreuzwig Ost (side project of Martic Schirenc [Pungent Stench/Hollenthon]) and Der Blutharsch. The third band was very similar to samples I've heard off Cold Meat Industries such as Coph Nia, very ambient powerful stuff. Inhuman kicked ass. Totally Darkthrone-influenced. To be honest with you, I couldn't picture them shooting for a crazy technical style because that's not what a lot of the old school black metal called for, rather it was about atmosphere and grimness, and they definitely captured it. The chick bassist was actually really good, I look forward to doing a show with them in Vancouver some day... Allfather, fuck, what else can I say. That show was easily the best show I've seen them pull off, and I don't think that's really because of their ability, rather, Lucky Bar has a sweet sound system and I could actually hear what they were fuckin' doing!! I saw them at the Cambie and Logan's before and it sucked because the sound was just shit. Seeing them at Dizzy's was interesting (again better sound) but the Lucky Bar show was wick. Too all who enjoyed, come enjoy it again on the 28th!!!! See you there fuckers!!!!! - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 7:40pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I think part of the point of the gripe was that this is a review thread...take the extended conversation about stuff not remotely related to the show to General Discussion. I side with Path on that. The rest of "it's" beef is pointless and useless however. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 7:43pm | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | The show frigg'n rocked - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 7:56pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Ok about your name dropping thing, I had said I'm going to go up for allfather, theyre my new jam space roomies, which they are, and they put me on their list tonite, which they did, and I was heading off to the front to support them,which I did, I don't see how these things equate to name dropping, and for what purpose am I susposedly doing this anyhow I wonder? And Logan's has a new soundboard now Akylore, was the old sound problem related to that? I know the music in general sounds way better now. And yes there was blathering or some unrelated shit but noone was pitching in on any reviews so pointless blather happened, as it does constantly on here. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 8:01pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | I think he meant all the other banter, but that besides, if you know someone from the band and they did a great show nothing wrong with saying so. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 8:05pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | I don't really give a shit what people write, I have the right to click and hold the mouse button on the box-looking-thingly on the right-hand-side of the window and scroll past whatever I find is pointless, so whatever. New sound board? Actually, I guess I should clarify my review comments if it sounded a bit anti-Logan's; after all, when we played there we actually had a very well laid-out sound, but again, we're a melodic band, not a brutal one, so we didn't turn our levels up very high as compared to a lot of other metal bands. Allfather is defintely more brutal than us, so their Logan's show was just so fucking loud I couldn't tell what the hell they were doing, same thing at the Cambie, I just couldn't fucking tell and whenever people asked me how Allfather was I couldn't in all honesty say because I didn't really know if I was hearing Allfather or not!!!! Maybe the levels were just too high, maybe the sound guy didn't know what he was doing, maybe the old equipment was shit, who knows, who cares, doesn't matter. All I know is that their performance at Lucky Bar was incredible and had an incredible sound. If you want another Allfather taste then I'll see you fuckers again on Sat Feb 28th!!!! (James Bay Community Centre, 140 Oswego St., doors 6:30, show 7:30) Come out and support the scene!!!! - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 9:14pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | Of course you don't care, I mean, just look at you!! - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:16pm | ||
| viking_666 User Info... | hey, drummer from Inhuman here. Wanted to thank Allfather and Victoria for having us out. It was a great show. I missed most of Griefer due to setting up in the back, but from what I saw and heard it was pretty cool. I liked the images displayed in the background, nice touch. Funerary Call where pretty good aswell, made me want to kill things slowly and in the most painful way. Allfather where great, they crushed. Tight and Brutal. I found the sound to be a bit much there, too much bass for Allfather, each time the sound guy turned the guitars up, he would turn up the bass aswell, sort of defeated the purpose of "more guitars" untill it was so loud the true sound was lost. Hope to play vic again in the furure. - Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:23pm | ||
| kittykat666 User Info... | pathetic... first off what the fukk do you care!!! second, who gives a ratts ass who what when where why i post... i have no need to justify myself to you... about how "well" as you put it i know certain people... shut the fukk up public forum or not victoria is a small town where everyone knows everyone and sayin' hey to friends should be encouraged really we are all part of the same scene metal, punk, ska .. etc... any further issues "pathetic" email me motherfukker. [email protected] . - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:00am | ||
| PostFetalFear User Info... | justifacation is overrated anyway. satan is acceptance, 666 metal! - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 6:48am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | When shows like this happens it makes me sad that the prodominant metal scene here is just a few years outta my range. DAMMIT!! So obviously I missed this show due to not being 19. But I can't wait until the 28th (ahem ahem Mitochondrion is playing ahem). As far as "namedropping" goes. The metal scene here, I have noticed, really is all about bands putting on shows for people in other bands. Next time you're at a show look around and try to see who isn't in a band. And it's pretty common for people to communicate over this board. I mean for christ sake, half of the bands in this town formed over this message board. - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 7:38am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | (namedrop)I know Mutilashawn!(/namedrop) - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:58am | ||
| Akylore User Info... | "Next time you're at a show look around and try to see who isn't in a band." Sad but true..I went to shows 10 years ago when I wasn't in a band mind you, but it's only the musicians who know how immportant the scene is for the most part... - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:53pm | ||
| Gaygoroth User Info... | All around good show, enjoyed all the "bands" very much. Actually it was the best metal show i've been to in Victoria. I've met Mutilashawn and i once madeout with canon.docre, so i'm cool. Can't wait for the 28th. - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 1:04pm | ||
| Inktvis User Info... | I guess I'll post a bit of a review. I'm not too good at reviews... Unfortunately didn't get to see much of Griefer, heard many positive things about them so hopefully see them more in the future. I appreciate Inhuman for what is was, but to be honest just didn't appeal to me. The set seemed really long and I couldn't really get into the music. Maybe at a different venue it would be different? Funerary Call did a great job. Much anticipated... really liked that there were drums added to the music. I was so tired so I hope to see them at a time when I'm more awake and less in a comatose state ;) Allfather has progressed alot since the last time I saw them live. Alot of new and unfamiliar songs so that was nice. Lots of energy and they sure spiced up the night. Great show, really liked the variety of the bands. Different from the usual metal show! - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 5:10pm | ||
| shitferbrains User Info... | The music was good, but the people at the show were pretty cliquey. Boo to cliquey snobs. - Mon, 16 Feb 2004 6:09pm | ||
| gaygoroth User Info... | agreed - Tue, 17 Feb 2004 9:47am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Shit For Brains:"The music was good, but the people at the show were pretty cliquey." Why is that?? Were there too meny metalheads there for you?? If you ask me there weren't enough!! If thats what you're getting at... If not, whats the prob? noone wanna talk to you? Noone seemed snobbish to me... *Except for those elitest bastards from Violator,talk about a group of stuck up assholes!* - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 1:34am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Its hard to meet new people at a metal show.. Why? Because who wants to go scream in a strangers ear "Hi how are you! My name is Dirk, hows my breath?" - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 8:21am | ||
| Har D. Har User Info... | Are any of you idiots aware of the fact that metal sux and none of you are as tough as you think you are. - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 9:47am | ||
| Tragedy User Info... | Eat shit. - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:42am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | I am exactly as tough as I think I am . . . and seeing how I can fully accept that most people can probably kick my ass . . . case closed. - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:57am | ||
| PostFetalFear User Info... | ya but while their kicking ass reach around and ripp out their vocal chords, all the while humming a pleasant tune. it works every time... mmmmmmm mmmmmm mm mmmm mmmmm mmmmmmm mmmm mmmm aaaaaaaaaaah....gug..uuuruulkthaaaaar....(FUCKER) - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:06am | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | Lol @ Anon - All you alt-pansies are the tough ones, excuse us were all sorry. *bows to the emo* _pussy_ - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:41am | ||
| FeLiXtheCaT User Info... | i went to that show alone and i didn't have a problem meeting people. i don't think wiggers should be allowed on this message board. they should do a screening process to get arid of all of them. - Wed, 18 Feb 2004 2:31pm | ||
| PostFetalFear User Info... | doesnt wigger drive panteras bus? - Thu, 19 Feb 2004 1:10pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Wiggins. Or as some know him as, Tony Swiggins. - Fri, 20 Feb 2004 1:47pm | ||
| bsxjen User Info... | hahah Wiggins. Once I came accross the Manson book, Long Hard Road Outta Hell, and the best part of that book was when he was talking about the evil combined menace of Wiggings and Twiggy. And how they'd turn into an evil perverted sicko 2 headed beast referred to as Twiggins. I read that book years ago and that is one of the things that stood out the most. haha. Twiggins. - Sat, 21 Feb 2004 4:12am | ||
| viking_666 User Info... | Drummer from Inhuman again. We took a bunch of pictures of the show but none turned out. Did anybody take pics of the show or better yet video tape it? We'll buy copies from anybody that has pics/vid of the show, our part or the whole night would be nice too since NONE of our pics turned out. e-mail jezus [email protected] Thanx - Sun, 22 Feb 2004 3:56pm | ||
| Lycanthropy User Info... | i'm a little bit late here, but this is "Pathetic"... the show was great... well i thought so and maybe 4 others... while you motherfuckers all stand around. too concerned if your one of the "hOT mETAL bOYS"... i am surprized the bands play so well with no energy to feed off of. this is why some people don't come out to the smaller metal gigs.i haven't seen a good metal crowd since SYL and thats sad that it takes a major lable band to start a pit....stop moshing in your bedrooms boys and girls (or "goth Kids" as stated above)... i 'm wasting time by typing this... butt fuck.... i don't have the internet to even check back.* i want to say to the girl with the fat lip from the show... you are a true trooper.* and to every one else ....eat my fuck! - Mon, 23 Feb 2004 1:07pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | Again we have this 'if you don't do it you're ot metal' shit. Who cares? I enjoy watching the bands, listening, and sometimes I enjoy moshing. Jesus christ. - Mon, 23 Feb 2004 2:28pm | ||
| lycanthropy User Info... | you go to the pixies to enjoy music.... you go to allfather to fuck shit up. i'm not saying the scene is shitty it just lacks alot of what other cities have... - Mon, 23 Feb 2004 3:36pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | "I haven't seen a good metal crowd since SYL" That just proves you don't attend too meny local metal shows yourself now doesn't it? Last show I set up, the bar was at capacity past closing. BUT, I do agree with you on this support bit, for all of Allfather's set, myself and akylore were able to to hairwhip holding onto stagefront with barely a single crash from anyone. Allfather was kicking ass, and rather than fly around people choose to back off and view, thats fine and everything, but wheres everyone from the ol' SYL pits you speak of? I mean people who want to have a beer and watch and listen to the bands , thats cool , I do it alot but, it does suck when if you do want to dive in a pit for the headlining band and you can't , even when theres an acceptable crowd to do so.. I guess the only answer is Victoria needs more headbangers. That or we all just smoke entirely too much weed. - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:12am | ||
| Pooetry User Info... | Yeah. More headbangers. That'd be really... great. - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:49am | ||
| Akylore User Info... | It seriously depends. I mean, when a pit is chaotic then it's actually a pit, but when one guy grabs another and attempts to throw him and run around like he's in some kind of WWF tag-team match then that's just lame. It's not even moshing anymore, it's just a couple of guys playing tough-guy. Don't get me wrong, when I get smashed into because that's where the 'chips' (people) fall, then it's fair game, but when a guy grabs me, looks right at me and then attempts to push me around then it's not moshing anymore...that shit was annoying me a bit but it's always 'standard procedure' for me to let loose with the windmill action up front...I dunno, some kind of metal-pledge-anthem thing with me, I dunno.... - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1:01pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | agreed, I mean I used to be all about the pits, but then I realized that I am missing half of the band. So now I prefer to just band the head and dig the band. Call me a pussy, I dont care. - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 6:11pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | BULLSHIT MAN!!! I remember plowing up next to yah in the front a show or 2 ago and moshing some shit up with yah, what do you just get loaded and forget you turn psycho when loaded off your gorde??? hahaha - Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:44am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Ive moshed for everyone from Carcass to Minstry, now I usually just watch, unless Im on the floor for Slayer, then something takes over my brain. But Slayer moshes are the funnest , especially the skinhead circles in Vancouver. - Fri, 27 Feb 2004 6:06am | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | Ha! there are always skinhead circles at slayer aren't there? They alway take off there shirts and sweat their nazi sweat all over the place... - Sat, 28 Feb 2004 3:45am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Jeez am I the only scrawny metalhead here? I am all about peace and love at these metal shows, that moshing scares me to pieces! - Sat, 28 Feb 2004 6:30am | ||
| coke_dealer User Info... | sanger yer dick is so big wanna buy some coke so you can do a line off my boner???? - Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:29pm | ||
| D�d[]Sanger User Info... | *To Quote Dr.Evil once again* "Rrrriiiiiiiigggghhhhtttt... You know, I don't think thats something one dude should say to another dude, kinda creepy, yah" *Or alternatively* "Hows about NO YOU CRAZY DUTCH BASTARD!!!" - Sat, 6 Mar 2004 3:18pm | ||
| inline_punk User Info... | hey good one i love quotes heres a couple "AAAAAAallllllrighty Then!!!" *or alternately" "i nominate you (+) for the biggest douchebag of the universe award" - Sun, 7 Mar 2004 9:33am | ||
| Son of Mogh User Info... | I'm down for a line or two off your sick dick. Why not? - Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:00pm | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | Why not? because he'll be expecting some action after fronting you the cock line, and once his wang has absorbed all that coke it'll take him forever to get off. "when He's done with you, You won't be shitting right for a week" - Mon, 8 Mar 2004 3:48am | ||
| DARSH User Info... | You're right i won't be shitting right for a week. I'll be too busy having passionate ass sex with my hot new coke dealing boyfriend. Sounds good to me, what will you be doing? Listening to Nevermore (love metal), downloading scat porn and reading something by Anne Rice i'd wager. Sound about right? - Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:39am | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | you got it bang on... 'cept the Anne rice, Nevermore and Skat bits... - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 6:15pm | ||
| Rollerballs User Info... | Sounds like there's some sexual tension between Broc and Darsh, get a room boys. P.S. Can i watch? I'll bring smokes and a 4 pack of coolers. - Fri, 12 Mar 2004 8:00am | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | a four pack? What do you take me for? - Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:45pm | ||
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