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| Demen Ted User Info... | Who do you think it is? I have heard many people regard the Clash's "rock the casbah" in this category... I also really find the Pink lady to be an incredible sell out... Look at her first few singles, look at her style, her voice, and the topics. Now look at her latest videos. Its completely opposite, and she has changed from "pretty-pop-star" to apparent "rocker chick". trying to give herself a punky image, and singing songs of rebellion and breaking way, I really do not enjoy it at all, her changing to suit how incredibly popular pop-pop-punk is becoming. Dont make fun of me because I know who pink is. You'll make me feel bad. opinions? - Wed, 21 Jan 2004 5:12pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Johnny "Rotten" if he goes through with his "reality" show. ..Sigh... - Wed, 21 Jan 2004 6:36pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | I'd say Dave Navarro ranks pretty high on the list... - Wed, 21 Jan 2004 6:40pm | ||
| josh User Info... | yeah pink sold out, but id fuck her any day of the week and im guessing you would too dan - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 2:46am | ||
| METALNECK User Info... | Really? Pink is nasty as hell. Have you not seen her? She is more scabby then an esquimalt junkie. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 2:52am | ||
| jackass User Info... | prolly got all sorts of Hepatitis now too, cuz she's bobbing on Tommy Lee's knob - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 3:35am | ||
| Lurker User Info... | The biggest sellout is the Sex Pistols playing reunion tours. The funny thing is they totally admit that they are a huge sellout and are cashing in on punk. They called their last outing the "Cash from Chaos" tour. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 4:27am | ||
| Dick Splint User Info... | How about Iggy Pop recording a pop-punk song with Sum41? - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 6:29am | ||
| METALNECK User Info... | Good call Dick Splint. Good call indeed. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 6:31am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | I think Iggy is doing more of what Swamp Dogg called "buying in" with the Sum 41 song. After all it was just about the best song on the radio for awhile. And it's only one song on a CD that also features the original Stooges and Peaches. Anyways if he's "selling out" at age 56 can you blame him? - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 7:04am | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | Zippgun, apply your same argument to Johnny Rotten. What's the difference? - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 8:43am | ||
| BOHDAN User Info... | the sexpistols were in it for the cash since day 1 - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 8:49am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I don't know if you can call The Clash sellouts, I mean when they first started, they were so broke they apparently eat the white paste they used to put gig posters up. They were a band that busted there ass for years, and I for one was happy they finally made it as a band. The only reason The Pistols did reunion gigs was for the quick cash. I mean how do we classify sellout? - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 9:04am | ||
| jay brown User Info... | I understand what your all saying but I dont agree. I dont see how it's selling out. So what they want to make money, everyone wants to pay their bills and have extra money to live comfortably. As far as the Sex Pistols went, they all got totally screwed in the first place and never made one penny off of their own music so hey why not go make some cash off it finally, granted I think Johnny Rotten is an idiot but thats beside the point. The Clash, well saying they sold out is just idiocy in my eyes but hey whatever. Iggy has been playing since the early sixties, I have the demo from Iggy and the Iguanas from then, and he has done a little bit of everything in that time. I dont like the Sum 41 song either but he's had lots of radio hits over the years it aint like this is his first, and maybe he actually likes their music. Punk rockers dont have to live in the gutter and be dirt poor to write good music or be angry but for some reason people get weirded out with them if they ever try to improve the quality of their own lives. I will admit that there are a ton of sell out bands out there, I just think you picked a bunch of the wrong ones. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 9:06am | ||
| JOE90 User Info... | Ya, no selling out, just cashing in on paving a road that others subsequently travel. Why the fuk not? And if the punker-than-thou fans object, who cares, move on to the next 'secret no-one's ever heard of them and there's no way my mom or jock neighbor could ever like them anyway' band. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:11am | ||
| [+} User Info... | i'd just like to state right now that i dislike audioslave. the end. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:12pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | Anybody in a band is a sellout. If you write musio c with one other person and one person buys it, you compromise, so its a mute point really. If you want to cash in, and not fuck with your music, write a book. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 2:04pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | I guess to me the big diff between Ig and Johnny is that Iggy still makes pretty good records whereas Johhny only ever made about 3 good ones in his whole career (and none recently). I doubt you would see Iggy in a "reality" TV show either. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 5:36pm | ||
| Broccoli User Info... | Rotton was on a reality show? - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 6:52pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I think he did some sort of political show at one time. - Thu, 22 Jan 2004 8:26pm | ||
| eboner User Info... | aidan how could you. i kind of agree actually.... there wont be any chris cornell hating today kids. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 1:01am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Cornell can choke on that radio pap. What the hell happened to all those guys man....fucking sad. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 2:34am | ||
| queen bee User Info... | The reality show ref'd to is the British version of I'm a celebrity - get me out of here. There's an article on canada.com about Johnny Rotten's participation: http://www.canada.com/entertainment/story.asp?id=0AA5B1D6-5F01-453E-A2C5-7C874943F674 - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 3:17am | ||
| Lurker User Info... | Not sure if it counts as selling out really, but Mick Jagger receiving his knighthood was pretty pathetic. Keith Richards commented on how 30 years ago neither one of them would have accepted such a thing, now one of them will. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 6:58am | ||
| Demen Ted User Info... | Selling out= changing your music to suit what is popular. The clash really did do that with Rock the Casbah, and pink is another one thats pretty bad for it... - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 9:17am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | That was the show J. Rotten did, it was called Rotten TV, I do believe he was a reporter or something bizarre like that. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 9:41am | ||
| [+} User Info... | Demen Ted, how old are you? ten? the clash didn't sell-out; they brought punk rock to a new level of audience members. instead of being half-brain fuckoffs like the sex pistols they had the musical genius of mick jones and the lyrics of joe strummer behind their new form of punk rock (note: from brixton and other "slum" british cities that were undergoing racial hatred and bigotry at the time.) which infused reggae and carribean influences with british pop and the newly formed angry punk rock. so other than the rant that just occured... someone saying that the clash sold out with "rock the casbah" really needs to eat his or her words. combat rock was a brilliant album of dance-able punk, and "rock the casbah" is still more political than most of the pre-pubescent fashion punks. (ps. now the rebuttal.) (pps. rage against the machine destroys audioslave.) - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 9:47am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | uhhh...whu...? hehe - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 9:56am | ||
| JOE90 User Info... | Combat Rock was/is a great album. It's brilliant and timeless. The Clash had to have known that they would alienate some fans with it, and they couldn't have been certain that they would wind up with a net gain through new ones. The album wasn't exactly met with immediate praise and hot sales when it first came out. I don't know, man, sellout isn't what comes to mind, especially when you consider the lyrical content. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:05am | ||
| ticklefish User Info... | totally, how on earth can an album with "Straight to Hell" be called a sellout album? Ferchrissakes, if you listen to Sandinista, London Calling and Black Market Clash, Combat Rock flows straight outta those albums: solid grooves like none other (Paul Simonon still is my bass idol), killer guitar work by Joe and Mick, totally biting political lyrics... London Calling sold far more albums than Combat Rock, so they hardly "cashed in". Or is this just about the fact that they actually started to get really good? Right, that's it, when punk rockers learn to play their instruments well, they have sold out? Fuck, I saw the Clash at Max Bell Arena in Calgary in 82-83 on the "Combat Rock" tour, there was nothing mainstream about that band. I say the Clash is the epitome of what punk should be . Fuck this stuff called punk that is full of pop power chords and lyrics about how depressed some kid is because his girlfriend left him. Punk is about content not about sound . Siouxsie was punk, the Clash were punk, the Damned were punk, Ramones, Skids, Stiff Little Fingers etc etc etc, and none of them sounded alike. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:38am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | HAHAHAHAHA!!!! - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:04am | ||
| Demen Ted User Info... | Hey, the clash are still one of my favourite bands, and all the balls-fuck-up to them for doing selling out, but I really do feel they sold out. I am not talking "bands gone crappy" I am talking selling out, and not really the bad side of selling out at that. PS. I did get into them from a Combat Rock album I found in my dads closet a few years back... PPS. I am 14 and three quarters! yay! hooray for the one chromosome short club - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 1:51pm | ||
| [+} User Info... | how does rock the casbah make the clash "sell out"? not saying that i'm much older, but i doubt that you are old enough to understand what the song is actually implying? - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 1:58pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | read the lyrics kid. read the lyrics. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 2:12pm | ||
| Trailer Park Boy Julian User Info... | When I first read that someone was callin' the Clash sellouts based on the one song 'Rock the Casbah' I was thinkin' right away, "sacrelige!" Then I was thinkin', "how old are you?"... then I was thinkin', "is this what kids think these days... damn, someone's gotta set 'em straight before they start believin' this BS...." ;- ) The Clash weren't sellouts in the least; Joe Strummer saw to that - though it's likely true Mick Jones was probably itchin' to make it "big". Marcus Griel in his book, "Ranters and Crowd Pleasers: Punk in Pop Music 1977-1992" essentially goes over the Clash's history and virtually paints Joe Strummer as a punk rock saint of biblical proportions.... - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 4:10pm | ||
| Dick Splint User Info... | Anne Murray is a fucking sellout man! She's hitched a ride on the crown of Rita McNeil's huge ass for far too long! If you're still alive Ann - fuck you, you sellout MTV Executive blowing, over choreographed whore! If not, I take all that back and may you rest in peace. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 4:28pm | ||
| Jake User Info... | Iggy's "Lust for Life" is used in a commercial for Carribean Cruiselines... is that selling out Zippgunn? - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 4:46pm | ||
| D�d[]sanger User Info... | Metallica. - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 6:11pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Depends on who owns the publishing. (I don't know who own the rights to "Lust For Life"). Anyway it's a moot point; if you ever play a gig for money or put out a CD to sell to the public, then you've sold out. What's the big deal, anyway? - Fri, 23 Jan 2004 6:24pm | ||
| 69 User Info... | Talk about sellouts! How about DEVO's "Whip It Good" being used for the Swiffer commercial...."When a problem comes along....use a swiffer".(instead of "you must whip it". - Sat, 24 Jan 2004 3:46am | ||
| kittykat666 User Info... | i have to agree with the devo thing... it is driving me mental... the other day "whip it" came on and i actually thought about swiffers... now i hate that song.. fukkin' pisses me off... - Sun, 25 Jan 2004 6:42pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Fuck, Devo sold out decades ago; who do you think did music for Bill Nye the Science Guy? Or Rugrats? Get over it. - Sun, 25 Jan 2004 6:59pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | I agree with Zippgunn and will add that this topic is fucked. Could it possibly be that these bands did this shit becauase they wanted to?? who knows. I dont play music for other people to like, I play music that sounds good to me and fuck everyone else. I dont make money from this shit i'm a bartender and a server, it feeds my addiction to music and booze. If i could play the music I love to play and get paid for it, that would be a dream come true. But getting paid $100-$500 per night divided by a 7 peice band wont pay the fucking bills or rent. In regards to the swiffer add, swiffer doesn't have to pay for the rights, or pay royalties on a song in which the music and lyrics have been changed. I am sure the company that owns swiffer had a 15-20 lawyers check that issue inside and out before they aired the commercial. Did Weird Al have to pay royalties for those songs he recorded then sold all over the fucking place????? nope. - Sun, 25 Jan 2004 9:22pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | the minute you charge money for things in music you "sell out". Its really dumb to say "oh band XYZ sold out" i mean if it's a job, you have to suck up in this world to get anywhere. it's a shame. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 5:28am | ||
| 69 User Info... | Of course Weird Al had to pay royalties, dumby! And Swiffer had to pay Devo for Whip It. I have a friend who still knows Devo and that person told me that Devo actually performed the music for the Swiffer Ad and they made a fucking fortune from it because they not only performed the music for Swiffer in their own Hollywood soundtrack recording studio, but they also sold Swiffer the rights to use their song. In a way, that is quite clever. However, in my opinion, they didn't sell out by writing and perfoming original music for the Science Dude and Rugrats. But, as one previous writer wrote in this column, this subject is really stupid. Listen, some people play music just for the pure pleasure, and that's great. Some people play music to make money from it. What's the big deal? We all need to survive somehow, eh? - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 5:30am | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Little piece of useless trivia, Weird Al does not have to pay royalties because it is a parody that he is doing. The same as bands like the Manic Hispanics. I am not quite sure what the whole technical term is but I do know that Weird Al has never had to pay royalties to anyone but he always does anyways just as a way of saying thank you. Because it's a parody he also does not need the artists permission but he also gets that as well just to be cool about it. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 6:10am | ||
| Brandon User Info... | see above 69. your friend knows devo???? that might be true. devo did the comercial for swiffer??? that sounds a bit far fetched to me. why would swiffer shell out big bucks to devo to write a parody of a song they wrote years ago, when they could have gone to jingle musicians and got the same result for shitloads less? it just doesnt seem like something a business would even consider doing, unless they like to throw money around and waste their profits. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 7:13am | ||
| ticklefish User Info... | What most people miss when they accuse a band of selling out due to some television commercial is frequently the band had nothing to do with the decision to use their song in the commercial. You have to understand how the whole "public domain" system works, ie. your song is only your own for a set length of time (say 10 years, maybe 20 if you are lucky), after which other people can bid for your songs and own the rights to them, if you can't outbid them, you lose your own songs, and the whole notion of "selling out" is irrelevant. Case in point, how many Beatles songs post-1965 have you ever heard used in a commercial? The only one I know of is "Come together", otherwise they are all pre-1965 catalog songs, because it is Michael Jackson who owns the rights to early Beatles material, not any of the Beatles themselves (this may have changed in the last few years, but it was the case for a long time). Do you think Macca liked hearing all those Beatles tunes on commercials? He had no choice in the matter. I would like to see how many of you, (if you were ever good enough in the first place, ) would sing on the dotted line only to realize a few years later that you basically signed all your rights to your own material away just to get that nice fat cash "advance". - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 7:22am | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Why is it far fetched that Devo did the commercial? Sounds entirely plausible to me. I know one of the guys from Devo lives in Vancouver so yup he could know them for sure. I just dont understand why you would think it's so far fetched that Devo did the commercial, I think if I was using somebodies song and had the opportunity to have them play it I'd pay the few bucks extra to get them to do it.You have to think for something like that it would probably only be a few grand extra to get them to do it so why not get the originals. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 9:29am | ||
| jake User Info... | some of it is selling out, some of it isn't. it's called artistic integrity - and that doesn't include selling your songs to a Cadillac commercial (L.Z.). wasn't Coldplay offered $90 million dollars to sell the rights to their album to Microsoft?...they said no. I don't like Coldplay, but they have integrity. It's not a moot point Zippgunn. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:11am | ||
| [+} User Info... | randy bachman. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:49pm | ||
| lauren a User Info... | finger 11. their new stuff is absolute shite. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 1:06pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | cause its a few grand more? - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 1:54pm | ||
| kittykat666 User Info... | ok zippgun... i get what you're saying...but... still it sukks. - Mon, 26 Jan 2004 9:05pm | ||
| 69 User Info... | Swiffer bought the rights and paid the big bucks because the song is fucking catchy. It's a song the people remember and they want people to associate it with their product, do you get it yet? And yes, DEVO did re-record the song for the commercial. And Weird Al may not have to pay royalties for a parady, but you know what? The artists who wrote the songs in the first place still get their publishing and writers fees for the parodies. And it's not 10 or 20 years when songs become public domain, it's 50. And once it reaches 50 years, no one can buy the songs. That's why they call it "public domain". Free for all. The Beatles sold most of their songs at one point in the late 60's because they needed money. Same for all other songs that are sold. They are sold because someone needs quick cash. - Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:24am | ||
| JOE90 User Info... | Or, if an artist needs quick cash, they can issue bonds securitized by future revenue streams provided by catalog sales and use of songs. Bowie did this. Of course, not too many artists could actually get a similar bond issue bought to any great extent. You have to be Bowie or U2 or anyone whose music will still be greatly sought after for years. - Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:16pm | ||
| ticklefish User Info... | I didn't mean to confuse public domain and people selling their material. But most artists tend to have set time frames over which they own their songs and then have to renew the conditions, but this all depends on teh deal you sign if and when you get your label deal. - Tue, 27 Jan 2004 1:20pm | ||
| Kyle C User Info... | Realistically, it's probably Juan Valdez. - Tue, 27 Jan 2004 3:00pm | ||
| kittykat666 User Info... | i fukkin' got it the first time 69..... all i was saying is that it sukked b/c now all i think of is swiffer when i listen to the song... i don't really care that much... it's just annoying... i caught myself singing you must swiifer to my devo album :) - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 1:25am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Some ad agency should follow up on the Devo trend and do an ad using "Uncontrollable Urge". Or "Mongoloid". - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 1:37am | ||
| kittykat666 User Info... | 10-4 - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 1:43am | ||
| 69 User Info... | Yeah, maybe one of the US presidential candidates could use "It's A Beautiful World" for their campaign song. I agree w/u kittykat666. Unfortunately, Whip It will never be the same :-( - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 9:15am | ||
| Instrument of Karma User Info... | I would really like to see how many of you would take a job as the newest backstreet boy or spice gurl if the paycheque had enough zeros on it. You all call integrity, but a job is a job. Making music for the sake of the music is admirable, and some bands do it and make a living at it, but most are in some way influenced by what sells today. I am the first one to throw bricks at the radio whenever Metallica throws a new generic hit out, but the fact is they are ever prosperous. Is it right? None of our fucking business, it's their life; their band. If they want to take it in a new direction away from the listeners who supported them in their early years, too bad for us, but whatever. People ALL are in it for themselves. You all too. If you don't like it, don't buy their shit. I don't own ONE Nickleback album for a reason, but THEY don't give a shit. At least they don't need a 9-5 job. - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:28am | ||
| Gman User Info... | Western Culture, having already sold out pretty much any ethical ground it may ever have had, does not allow for the idea of 'selling out'. If you have ever turned on the TV, plugged in an appliance, driven a car, bought anything with cash, logged on to the internet, etc, you have already 'sold out' as all of these things require that we, Western Culture, sell out other people, usually poor abused folk in some 'backwater' country like Brazil or Indonesia. Enjoy your coffee this morning? Welcome to economic domination, Equador! Buy shoes recently? Thank you Chinese children! Drive a car? Hello (and Goodbye) Iraq! You either participate or get the hell out. There are no sell outs any more. There are only hypocrites and it looks like, hereabouts, most folks are hypocrites. - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:20pm | ||
| 69 User Info... | Holy geez....what's everyone getting so uptight about? Peace & love. - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:42pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | It's true that weird Al doesn't have to pay royalties because what he does is parody. It's also true that he pays the artists anyways. Class act. Swiffer DOES have to pay Devo because it isn't a parody, it's an advertisment. Big difference. As for the movie and TV themes, that's Mark Mothersbaugh's gig, isn't it? Also, these pre-fab pop starts(ie. Pink) pretty much have to do whatever their label tells them too, do they not? edit: according to the Devo website, they did record the Swiffer version. - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 6:37pm | ||
| [+} User Info... | Randy Bachman. - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 7:33pm | ||
| mi.coll. User Info... | how could devo ever sell out??? its fucking devo!! - Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:39pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | The song Whip It which the commercial is based on was originally written against commercialism and selling out, or something to that effect. So by Devo performing/rewriting the song for a cleaning product, they have indeed sold out. - Thu, 29 Jan 2004 1:40am | ||
| 69 User Info... | Whip It is not at all about selling out. It's about getting your shit together. - Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:43am | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | From the Official Devo website: "Whip It, like many Devo songs, had a long gestation, a long process. The lyrics were written by me as an imitation of Thomas Pynchon's parodies in his book Gravity's Rainbow. He had parodied limericks and poems of kind of all-American, obsessive, cult of personality ideas like Horatio Alger and 'You're #1, there's nobody else like you' kind of poems that were very funny and very clever. I thought, 'I'd like to do one like Thomas Pynchon,' so I wrote down 'Whip It' one night. " - Thu, 29 Jan 2004 2:40pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | you idiots. whip it is about beating off, plain and simple. - Thu, 29 Jan 2004 4:17pm | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | Why is everyone in the rock world always complaining about sellouts when Justin fuckin' Timberlake can sell his music to McDonalds and everyone into hiphop calls him a "smart business man"? In fact, it seems that most popular hiphop artists not only sell out every chance they get, but actively strive to make these kinds of deals. Hey, it's all about the benjamins right? So I find it funny that people on this board get upset when a rock or punk band do the same, and probably for way less money, and get labelled sellouts. If one is trying to earn a living making music and they don't want to give guitar lessons for the rest of their lives to supplement their income, I think they should "sellout". Having money is better than not having money. And by the way, Coldplay can suck my cock! - Thu, 29 Jan 2004 4:38pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | IMO Devo sold out with "Whip It" when they released the 12" extended disco mix of the song...simultaneously with the LP that "Whip It" was from. If you can imagine a 12 minute version of the song then you get the idea. You could also argue that they sold out when they signed with Warners/Virgin (US/UK). What with the Devo records and the videos they've done (for artists like Rush, amongst others)and the soundtrack music they've done they have sold out long ago and done it well. I will agree that the swiffer ad is pretty annoying, mainly because the swiffer is such a gimmicky product (like Febreeze who make the most annoying ads in the world; I don't know about you but when I visit people I DON'T sniff the air the second I walk into their place!) - Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:48am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | yes you do. - Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:01pm | ||
| 69 User Info... | I've sniffed a rug or 2. - Sat, 31 Jan 2004 9:59am | ||
| Instrument of Karma User Info... | The fact is if you look around the board you will realize that the biggest sellout bands, although they are less than revered, (see "fucknicklebackfuckdefault.....") are the most talked about bands here. Bad publicity is still publicity, and it sucks that we waste so much time promoting these generic rock stars. Real musicians in control of their own shit will only become strong when the limelight is dimmed on the posers. Not that I don't do exactly the same thing... - Mon, 2 Feb 2004 9:02am | ||
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