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| Bonnie W. User Info... | Got there during the second band apparently. An acoustic band with 3 people, the singer had a nice voice and was very mellow...possibly to mellow for Logan's at the time, it was very noisy inside, and the set was too long at almost an hour. The third band I was a bunch of kids screwing around...Device Bix or something, they got asked to stop playing by the sound guy after complaints...last band Haddonfield, was great, upbeat dirty rock. It was worth the wait and I really enjoyed it....the singer had great pipes! I for sure will check them out again. - Wed, 28 May 2008 7:30am | ||
| Mark Boorman User Info... | Too much to bitch about. First band was way too whiny and radio friendly, second acoustic girl was too quiet and mellow, Device Box....sucked. Haddonfield was a nice surprise, great band even though singer of Device Box was running his mouth about Haddonfield, totally unprofessional...you just don't do that on stage, but as Bonnie said, those kids will learn, would have paid to see Haddonfield though, i'll go to their next show! - Wed, 28 May 2008 9:46am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | What the hell? We weren't running our mouths off about Haddonfield.. the only thing Mike said was "Hey, who's here to see Haddonfield? Wooo Haddonfield!" or something .. what the hell, we were being nice! Haddonfield then proceeded to get on stage and call us "CockBox" for some reason unknown to us. We did have to cut our set short, but I'm not aware of anyone complaining.. it was because Logan's was trying to squeeze in 4 bands with 40 minute sets and we were getting low on time. If anyone had complaints about us, I'm sure we would all like to know what they were so we can address them. Biggest problem for me was I think our volume on stage was too loud, but then again we didn't get a proper sound check, and if that was the case then it should have been the sound tech's job to let us know that. That and about 3 songs in I developed two of the worst blood blisters I have ever seen on my plucking fingers.. Damn man.. that was harsh. - Wed, 28 May 2008 10:24am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | There wasn't bad mouthing. I really don't know where you got that implication. Sorry you didn't like our band. I'm sure it wasn't your thing. And we all have freedoms of opinion. I also apologize for the confusion of "running mouths". Obviously something was misheard or corrupted of meaning. - Wed, 28 May 2008 5:37pm | ||
| Rex Razor User Info... | Okay, First Off, DT, Will All Exclude You, I have Known You For Too Long And Know Your Too Laid Back To Be An Ass. Well Sometimes But Not In These Circumstances, lol. Everybody Just Needs To Chill The Fuck Out, Realize That Not Everybody Likes The Stuff That Your Band Is Trying To Do, Look At Me I Am In LUST, The Fuckin' Rockers Of Victoria, I Know Tons Of People Like Us, BUT!!! That Doesn't Mean Every Show Will Have Them There. So Just Forget About People Complaints, It Happens. On A Second Note If Something Like The "CockBox" Situation Comes Up Just Fucking Laugh At It, Why Let Such A Little Thing Get To You. Egos And Judgment Aside, It's Possible It Was A Joke. OKAY!? GOOD!!!! - Wed, 28 May 2008 6:26pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Cock Box? How old are these Haddonfield people? They've been watching Justin Timberlake running around with a box on his dink for too long. Most thinking people could have come up with much worse names than that, I can assure you. The lack of imagination some bands have, honestly! Funny how things can be misconstrued. Best of luck unravelling this mystery. - Wed, 28 May 2008 10:12pm Edited: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:13pm | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | Let's just say this. Neither band make excuses! This was all one big miscommunication. There was no harm applied and I hope we can agree on something. Me and Mike are horrible at banter. Obviously something was taken the wrong way. I have nothing against any member of Haddonfield. As a band, we've never ever dissed another band on stage during our performance. We don't care about who sucked and who didn't. We just don't warrant the bad reputation. I'm 100% on this that something was taken the wrong way between us. - Wed, 28 May 2008 11:18pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I see that Bonnie and Mark have a grand total of two posts between them. So yeah. I wouldn't worry to much about what they have to say. I call bullshit. hey Saint, do you work at Outlooks? - Thu, 29 May 2008 4:03am Edited: Thu, 29 May 2008 4:05am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | Yeah I'd have to agree with DT on this one - obviously we have some kinks to work out in our live show - that much is obvious, but hell it was only our second performance and like I said, that sound guy certainly wasn't doing us any favours. We probably did sound crappy to most of the people in there - the volume was way too loud for the room, and the sound guy failed to mention this to us. It sounded alright on stage, but as any musician knows it's totally up to the sound guy to control what is happening on the floor. Anyway, we've had some actually constructive feedback (i.e. feedback that goes beyond simply "you suck!", which is rather unhelpful). We'll work that stuff out when we hit the studio next week, anyway, so no biggie there. The bigger issue here is this whole issue of He Said-She Said, for which I am completely unapologetic, actually. There is now some crap making rounds about us apparently being pissed off because we didn't get the last spot of the night, and that Mike and I were apparently being dicks to Haddonfield the whole time, which is complete garbage. Hell, we DIDN'T want the last spot.. it was a tuesday night showcase for frak sake, and we all work in the morning! They even asked me before we went on if we wanted to swap spots and I declined.. so anyone who thinks that any of us were pissed off about not getting last spot must have been hitting the sauce a little too hard or something. Anyway, here is an open message to Haddonfield - Sorry if you got the impression that we were pissed off at you, or if you somehow got the idea that we were badmouthing you in some way. We weren't, and we didn't. We had absolutely nothing against you and no hard feelings whatsoever until you got up on-stage and started calling us juvenile names. We are honestly just four chill guys (not kids either, FYI for Bonnie W, I'm 28 for God's sake, though I guess I should feel flattered in a back-handed kind of way) who wanted to play some music and have some fun, and this kind of crap really bothers all of us. So let's bury the hatchet once and for all and get on with it! Aight! Oh yeah - no I don't work at Outlooks. What IS Outlooks? :) - Thu, 29 May 2008 9:45am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | CockBox would actually be a pretty cool band name. - Mon, 2 Jun 2008 8:22pm | ||
| Kyle User Info... | Blaming the sound guy is probably not the best habit to get into. Just puttin it out there... - Tue, 3 Jun 2008 8:22am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | It's not a habit, it's the simple truth. The fact is that the engineer is responsible for making the room sound good and that includes letting the band know when they need to turn up / turn down, etc. From the actually useful feedback we got, from people who know what the hell they are talking about, the volume was our biggest problem that night. We were simply too loud for the room, and that alone would have turned off most of the casual listeners in the room, unfortunately. Obviously we have to take some of the blame as well - it WAS only our second show, and we were working out the kinks, as we still are. Our studio engineer (whom we are recording with right now) was there, and he provided a lot of very good feedback on some sound issues that we need to work out, which we are right now in the studio. Next time around things will definitely be different. I think the bigger issue here is all the crap that was slung at us by various people for no good reason. I think we can all deal with having an off show sound-wise - certainly none of us is beyond admitting that we could have been a lot better, and we will be better, that's not really an issue for us. The fact is we are an easy-going bunch of guys with a low ego-factor who just want to play music and have some fun. We're not into putting down other people / musicians, and we're not a bunch of immature kids "screwing around" by any means. - Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:45am | ||
| Dave User Info... | Bro, I was at the show too and I've heard dying animals sound better than that pathetic excuse of a set you guys played. If you want to blame the sound guy, go ahead, but the only thing that he could have done to make you guys sound better is turn the volume all the way down so no one could hear you. You obviously must have never used a metronome because the tempo and rhythm of your songs was disgusting. Even with the sound so messed up, you could tell that you guys weren't in sync for the first two songs. You should do yourself a favor and never play in Victoria again. Maybe set up some gigs in Seattle where people have no taste. By the way, ::Saint::... do you have more than one facial expression? That pouty weiner face got played out 10 seconds after you started strumming. - Tue, 3 Jun 2008 9:56am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | I think the main truth is that we should've known better and now we are aware of it. I don't care for burning bridges in any sort of means. If we point to many fingers than there will be no one to be on our side. We've definitely had great nights at Logans and I think they give a lot of support to new bands. I know we are going to play their again with even more piss and vinegar. And whores. And...skill. - Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:52pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Whores? If you get the sound tight you'll have groupies, making whores unnecessary. Cole Grifter is a bit whiny and radio-friendly yeah... we don't plan on changing the radio friendliness. But we're writing more rocking tunes these days, and will have 2 back up vocals by the next show. - Wed, 4 Jun 2008 6:09pm | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | But may we pay these groupies for sex? That sounds pretty wicked, Aidan. We'll probably see you guys around. Will the new songs be up on Myspace? Let me know when they are. - Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:44am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | Oh that's just great, Dylan, tell the whole world about our DeviceBox prostitution ring - IDIOT! - Thu, 5 Jun 2008 9:43am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | I guess "escorts" is a classier, more accepted term. As in someone that escorts another to their genitalia. - Fri, 6 Jun 2008 1:52am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | .... Classy! - Fri, 6 Jun 2008 9:27am | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | I think you guys should start fighting again! Livevictoria used to be such a frenzied group of name calling assholes. Now it's so...friendly. If you can't hype up your band by slagging others, what have you got really? - Fri, 6 Jun 2008 4:30pm | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | As you can see, the two winners who originated this thread were trying to re-introduce that well-worn tradition, but I like to think of myself as a forward thinker. - Fri, 6 Jun 2008 5:19pm | ||
| monzza User Info... | Come on everyone don't pick on Devicebox for it's only there second show and apparently know that the sound guys job is to adjust the bands gear for them. - Mon, 9 Jun 2008 5:24pm Edited: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 5:25pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | "Livevictoria used to be such a frenzied group of name calling assholes." yup, until they were asked to admit who they were! There was a "name-calling asshole" who posted to this thread, but the person never confirmed their account, so it didn't get posted. - Mon, 9 Jun 2008 7:03pm | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | "Come on everyone don't pick on Devicebox for it's only there second show and apparently know that the sound guys job is to adjust the bands gear for them." I can't figure out whether he is defending or slamming us ... :/ "Whatevvvaaaahhh" (Speak n' Spell voice). I'll assume since I know Nick is a cool guy that he's not being a dink. Now, don't get me wrong here - I'm not really trying to be on the defensive or whatever, because I'm over the whole thing, but I do find this an interesting conversation to continue, so I will do so. I do want to ask a question, which is 'What exactly is it that everyone thinks sound engineers get paid to do?' I kind of read this comment as a sarcastic jab, like "Apparently it's now the sound guy's job to adjust the band's gear for them" (sarcasm).. which at first glance seems reasonable. Sure it SOUNDS unreasonable for a sound guy to be expected to adjust a band's equipment for them when you say it like that, but when you think about the role of a sound engineer in a live environment a little longer you have to conclude on some level that yes, in fact, that is a part of their job description. Keep in mind it is the sound guy, not the band, who is being PAID to make sure the room sounds good (half the time the band isn't even getting paid). This involves a lot more than simply adjusting the occasional slider on a mixing console - it also involves using one's ears to evaluate the quality of the sound as well as the level of the volume in relation to the room itself. Any sound guy worth his paycheque knows that there are a ton of things that might sound good in one room and not another, or in rehearsal but not live. This is why we have sound-checks. Of course, we DIDN'T get a sound check ... And while they can't be expected to EQ the entire band from head to toe, if they notice something particularly glaring (again, maybe it is due to something about the room), like the guitarist's bass EQ is set too high and is overwhelming the rest of the band, or in our case, the amp volumes are simply too loud for the room, it absolutely is his job to correct it, or at the very least make the band aware of the issue and allow them to choose to correct it or not. Not meaning to rag on sound guys, and certainly not denying my own band's role in our sound not being top-notch, I've said repeatedly that we have been working out the kinks, but that night it wouldn't have mattered how good we were sounding as a band because nobody could even hear the band over the crazy noise floor... - Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:30am | ||
| Special Agent Jackass User Info... | Unfortunately no soundboard has a suckiness button that can be turned on and off. If a band sounds bad they can easily blame the room, the crowd, the sound guy, the alcohol level of their girlie drink - but the fact remains that it's the band's responsibility to play a good set. If you don't like something, ask for an adjustment. That is your responsibility, but unfortunately that concept seems lost on you. I'd be quite hesitant to blame a seasoned sound man that has worked with every kind of band of numerous genres - for years! before thinking the band who has played two shows has much conviction going for them. - Tue, 10 Jun 2008 8:48pm Edited: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 8:51pm | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | "Unfortunately no soundboard has a suckiness button that can be turned on and off." Hey, I can't agree more, which is why I have said several times that we had our own kinks to work out with our playing, etc. Totally not trying to defend that one bit. But, hey, it was our second show and we really wouldn't have any way of knowing how we were sounding on the floor, partially due to our lack of experience together. One more reason why we rely on the sound guy to let us know if we need to adjust things. "I'd be quite hesitant to blame a seasoned sound man that has worked with every kind of band of numerous genres - for years" .. It's interesting you should say because it is actually a professional sound engineer with years of experience doing live sound for various genres of music who told informed us about the fact that the volume was too loud for the room. Again, this isn't saying anything about our musical abilities. We could be U2 playing our best show of all time and it wouldn't have mattered. We weren't, of course.. "If you don't like something, ask for an adjustment. That is your responsibility, but unfortunately that concept seems lost on you." It's not lost on me at all.. we adjusted our levels to the point that we had a good stage mix. One of the reasons that I was so surprised to hear some of the stuff that was said about us was that from my perspective up on stage the levels, etc, were all good. We didn't play perfectly, but we didn't play badly either. What the audience heard was vastly different than what we were hearing on stage, and as far as I'm concerned (and I do have some experience doing sound as well), that is where the sound guy's responsibility kicks in. I want to reiterate that I have a lot of respect for Scott at Logan's - he has always done a good job for me in the past, with other bands, but that particular night was off night, I think. Nothing more nothing less. We have to take our share of the blame, sure, but I think my point this whole time was that we certainly didn't deserve all of the negativity that we received. That's all. - Tue, 10 Jun 2008 9:33pm | ||
| Special Agent Jackass User Info... | U2 sucks, so really that's a moot point. - Tue, 10 Jun 2008 9:46pm | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | Were you at the show? NO!? Then please, shut the fuck up. That's as basic as it gets, ladies and gentleman. I believe what we have here is just another person rustling the feathers. I'm not afraid to tell anyone to fuck off, really. Even if you like the band. I just enjoy telling people off. But in all seriousness, is this thread dead yet? - Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:39pm | ||
| Special Agent Jackass User Info... | I was at the show. I'm not trying to rustle feathers, if i do, sure I enjoy the extra points, but really I'm just trying to state that I don't like scapegoating. It reflects badly on a person and a band as a whole. - Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:17am | ||
| smartypantz User Info... | I guess really the main point here is: if the band is interesting, i will stand in a too loud room to check them out - and maybe point out the volume to the sound guy (they love that!).... i have been to many many many shows where it is way way too loud on the floor, and guess what? the floor was packed! no i wasn't there. i'm just sayin. - Wed, 11 Jun 2008 9:44am Edited: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 9:45am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | Oh, my bad SAJ. I value your opinion then. I, myself, advocate no excuses as a member of the band. If you liked us, cool. Didn't like us, cool. I want everyone to be mellow. I'm just waiting for the next show to be honest. And I hope people can give us another chance while we work on our public relations. - Wed, 11 Jun 2008 6:29pm | ||
| monzza User Info... | You got any shows coming up????? - Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:41am Edited: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:41am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | July 10th @ Evolution opening for The Origin Aug. 14th @ Evolution opening for Dirtfella Let's see who we can piss off this time around. :) - Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:51am | ||
| zippgunn User Info... | Well I resisted mightily but I must respond. First I think a little clarification is in order here: this was certainly NOT this band's second show at Logan's. They (or some incarnation of them) have appeared as Manifest Dynasty (which makes my top ten of worst band names ever), Trampled Change (ditto), Behind The Eyes (I think that's what it was called) and now Device Box. The reason for all the name changes? Beats me but other than all the previous names being unbelievable bad it could have something to do with sliding in on the Tuesday night bills without Logan's actually knowing who they are. Why? Because (and I say this very reluctantly) they aren't a very good band and we would never have re-booked them had we known who they were. Nothing serious just that they aren't super original nor are they very tight nor can any of them sing. And LOUD. Every time they have played at Logan's they were way too fucking loud and I have told them so more than once. On this night in question I had a record number of people complain about this band's MUSIC, not their sound (it had to be a half dozen minimum) So at their, what, FIFTH show at Logan's I am to blame because I didn't tell them to turn down? Why isn't their "studio engineer" on the hook as well; he could have certainly told them they were too loud (and they might have actually listened to him as opposed to ignoring me one more once). This just in: I can't turn amps down from the soundboard. Remember: a good carpenter never blames his tools. It would figure that a band that has played four more gigs than anyone at Logan's ever intended would be whining about the bar (which, incidently, loses money on every Tuesday night showcase). Do us all a favor and play somewhere else. Note to the "studio engineer": Good luck with these guys, you're going to need it. - Sun, 15 Jun 2008 2:08pm | ||
| laprider User Info... | well....hmm doing time both in front of and behind a board I have to side with Scott on this one...it was a "showcase night"not a headlining gig....soundchecks of the real kind are few and far between...they also require boards with enough inputs for every band to have dedicated channels...well no bars have 48+ input boards and dedicated monitor boards and engineers. Shit at the royal theatre we maxed out at Dallas green with 3 bands, one of them a solo act. COME PREPARED AND READY TO YOUR GIG... my last show at Logans, I was told repeatadly how great my live sound was....why ... well ... it went like this. Hi Scott Hi Steve I just need a DI and Vocal mic thanxs, just run with it, you know my stuff.. sounds good Steve I plugged in my PROPERLY working and fantastic sound Acoustic guitar, used Proper MIC technique, and he did his thing with little or no effort. My monitors were great and I do know it sounded particularily good that night. morale. COME PRERARED FOR YOUR GIG, BRING "SUITABLE" GEAR, BE REHEARSED AND READY! In the old days bands did not play clubs till they were ready, I am always amazed at how shitty and not ready for prime time a lot of bands are., not being negative but it's true sadly. I cab remember when getting a gig at Harpo's actually was a serious accomplishment....I somewhat miss those days. - Sun, 15 Jun 2008 2:48pm | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | Well, that's that. I suppose. Never remember hearing about how loud the music was on any of our previous gigs but I cannot sway the way you feel with anything I can say. You don't think we are good, that's fine. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoyed it while it lasted. - Sun, 15 Jun 2008 9:45pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | This thread makes me feel uncomfortable. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:12am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | Look, I have to apologize for how out of hand this thread has become .. truly it should have been locked down a long time ago, but I do feel about the whole Scott / Logan's / Sound guy thing. This whole thread started down this path because of a few ignorant comments made by people with no apparent credibility or objectivity. I think the crap about us being "a bunch of kids screwing around" is what got to me the most, because honestly I know what these songs are supposed to sound like and that isn't it. Not to say that we don't have some shit to baton down, we clearly do - we have a lot of work to do on our sound and getting our own internal volume problems worked on. It was, incidentally, our engineer who told us after the fact that we were playing too loud, unfortunately there wasn't a lot he could have done about it at the time as he was only there watching. Believe me, there is a lot of change being brought on by our time spent in studio that is radically altering how we will be approaching the live stuff from here on out, so that is all on us, no arguments there. The thing is our music IS original, and it IS well thought out and well played - it's not thrashy and not overly loud or whatever, at least not by virtue of the songs themselves. Our problems as a live band are that none of us are sound engineers and I'll admit we haven't been all that conversant with live mixes and all of that, so it isn't all that intuitive. We plug in and get our mix sounding okay for ourselves on stage (I, for one, wear musician plugs, and our drummer also wears plugs, so the volume is a little bit lost on us from that perspective), but that is about the end of it for us. What went out to the floor was crappy, clearly, we get it. If you take a listen to the new rough cut up on our myspace you should hear that our songs aren't supposed to sound like that, but unfortunately that is what came out. As far as Scott is concerned, I certainly would never expected him to take charge of our amps, etc - but, as our engineer explained to us, the sound guy cannot control the volume if the amps themselves are too loud, and that is where I felt we were let down; our amps were obviously too loud, and Scott could therefore not control the volume - that is where it would have nice to have had the simple guidance of "Hey, can you guys turn your amps down?". We just simply didn't know. That's really all I've been saying this entire time - WE DIDN'T KNOW .. and if somebody could have told us, even after the first song when Scott came up to fix my DI, it would have solved a whole slew of issues. As for the rest, yeah, it was definitely our fault and I apologize for this all getting so blown out of proportion. We got really ganked on right from the get go so I was feeling a little defensive, apparently. And, for the record, this WAS only our second live performance as DeviceBox (and my second with this group, period). Previous to that, every time the name was changed it was due to a serious re-invention of what the band was doing, new songs, new sound, new everything basically. DeviceBox is yet another completely incarnation. One of the reason that you play a showcase night at Logan's is to try out new stuff and get some feedback - I guess in this case I really felt like some of the people providing the feedback were really just being destructive and not helpful. This is an on-going process of discovery, let's not forget. For the record, I think our first show at Logan's went a hell of a lot better than this one did, for whatever reasons... Anyway, to conclude, I do apologize to Scott and to Logan's for some of the crap I have slung .. it really wasn't meant to come across that way, but you know how it is when the mud starts flinging your way and you are forced to defend yourself at least in some small way. I, in no way, meant for this to become a Scott or Logan's bashing thing one bit - it was really meant as more of an innocuous way of saying "Hey, it wasn't ALL our fault". We have a few shows coming up in any case, starting in July, and we're going to be working hard in the studio getting our issues worked out and working on a bit of a change in direction. Once we have proven ourselves and have that experience under our belts, we'd be happy to play Logan's again. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 9:23am | ||
| DTjackson User Info... | Just to clarify a bit. Trickster was more of a happy band where me and Mike shared songs. Manifest Dynasty, Trampled Change, Burn The Blindfold [even though I think Behind The Eyes would be a sweet name for a band...probably taken, though? Right?], most of the songs were sung and written by me at that point. We were definitely heavier and screamy. That covered most of the same material with new stuff added and subtracted. This was Ryan's second show. Our first show as Devicebox was a debut of a new sound and all new songs. Recently got nostalgic and added two Trickster songs to the set. Just clarifying. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 9:31am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | On that note, if there is a mod around who can officially shut down this thread, I think it would benefit everyone involved! Thanks! - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 9:42am Edited: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 9:43am | ||
| CL User Info... | I agree the thread should maybe be shut down AFTER MY COMMENTS, but anyway. Dudes from the band - don't get too worked up. You got some negative feedback. That will happen. A lot. You can't take it too hard. Just work on your songs & your presentation until you're satisfied (which will probably never happen.) Turn your amps down. Seriously, having your amps cranked to 11 won't make you sound heavier, it'll just make you sound bad. Don't slag the soundman. It's a losing game, especially when you're likely to have him doing your sound again. Plus, in this case, you're slagging a guy who's done sound for people you'd be totally stoked to open for, and done it for a long time, so he probably knows his way around the board and the room. EVEN IF he somehow totally fucked up your mix on this particular night (which is pretty unlikely,) you come off sounding like whiny dorks. Have a sense of humor and relax. Playing your music and even promoting it should be fun, especially if you have aspirations to do it professionally. This means you probably shouldn't get wrapped up in meaningless messageboard fights with big long posts. You should, however, always read and study big long posts written by venue owners long after the events in question. That's just common sense. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:15pm | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | You are entirely correct, Chris, entirely. This is a very unfortunate thread, and it is a demonstration of a concept which I have unfortunately been taught (and apparently failed to learned) many times over, which is that serious communication over the internet is pretty well impossible. You know, I have to say, in all honesty, that I really never meant to slag off anyone, least of all the venue.. it's just a frustrating turn of events and comments that lead into this.. and I have to admit I do tend to say too much sometimes. The worst part of the whole crappy thing was this claim that we were being impolite to the other bands, which is just not true one little iota.. that is that part that was really first and foremost to me. The sound issues and everything were something I was trying to take as valuable feedback, and the original comment about "the sound guy", etc, was really meant to be innocuous, more to vent my frustration at being basically blindsided about the fact that we sounded so amateur, due largely to our volume. It was embarrassing, and could have been avoided, definitely. It certainly didn't help the way the original poster(s) provided their feedback. My comment might have been taken more in the spirit it was given had it been in a real conversation and not just text on a screen, and I would have been able to clarify what I really meant, which was not to slag anybody off, but just to say "I wish someone had told us we needed to turn our amps down, because obviously we didn't get it." Anyway, Chris and Scott - I do want to say that we, as a band, really love and respect what you guys are doing with the Tuesday night showcases. The fact that you even have them is a very generous thing to do for the music scene. I am sorry that we were not up to snuff as a band that night, and let me assure that we are taking big steps, and investing a lot of time (and money) in making it better. I am also sorry, individually, for where this thread has gone. I have to take a large portion of the blame for keeping it going. Sometimes it is good to be knocked down a peg so that you can rebuild as something better, but it certainly isn't an easy thing to take sometimes. I have high hopes that we will be able to show you something vastly improved in the months to come (The upcoming shows at Evolution will be a good litmus test for our progress), and hopefully win our way (musically) back into a good place. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:46pm | ||
| goff User Info... | just break up. that would be a better litmus test - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 2:23pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I think the best approach is the Acorn Hell approach. Do whatever you want to. Don't give two shits if people like it or not. Play loud, but have good sound coming out of your equipment. Agree when people say you suck, then write a humiliating song about them. Play shows when the fancy strikes...even if they're decades apart. Do whatever you want to. You will be more relaxed with your music if you follow these guidelines. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 5:48pm | ||
| CL User Info... | YOU'LL NEVER PLAY IN THIS TOWN AGAIN YOU FUCKING ANARCHIST! - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 6:25pm | ||
| Kyle User Info... | "Failed To Learned" is my new favourite band name. - Mon, 16 Jun 2008 8:16pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Damn. I should have never posted all that online. - Tue, 17 Jun 2008 7:19am | ||
| CL User Info... | Now it's on your permanent record. The big one they keep in the basement of the Vatican. - Tue, 17 Jun 2008 9:11am | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | They keep permanent records of this crap in the Vatican?? Dear lord, I'm screwed... - Tue, 17 Jun 2008 9:25am | ||
| CL User Info... | Oh yeah, that's what they do at the Vatican. The pope calls God and gives him the heads up on guys who get lots of detentions or post inappropriate shit on message boards. - Tue, 17 Jun 2008 4:47pm | ||
| monzza User Info... | Holy shit,is this still going on and on and on and on and on. - Tue, 17 Jun 2008 5:28pm | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | If that's true about the Vatican, then I'd say the entire Victoria music scene is pretty much hosed at this point :) - Tue, 17 Jun 2008 9:28pm | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | this thread is too long, I can't keep up. .. i tried my best... haha - Wed, 18 Jun 2008 7:50am | ||
| duck User Info... | Dear Devicebox The next time someone insults your band please for the love of god and all that is holy .........just ignore them. - Mon, 23 Jun 2008 6:26pm | ||
| ::Saint:: User Info... | And deprive all of livevictoria from this quality family entertainment?! Lesson learned.. believe me. - Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:32am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | In the spirit of this thread you guys should change your band name to The Sofa Kings. - Tue, 24 Jun 2008 3:30am | ||
| Is That Your Hair Or A Tina Turner Wig User Info... | Stage monitors. Stage monitors. Stage monitors. Nothing else need concern the band.. Line checks much more important than a sound check. The sound guy can tweak it out accordingly for the room, but it always sucks to kick into the bands opening song and only then realize that you cant hear shit. Then instead of getting into the live set and having a good time on stage you find yourself wandering around somewhere behind the singer trying to hear a snare drum and looking irritated.. or beeritated - Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:47am Edited: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:51am | ||
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