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Black Metal show Sept 24th - CANCELLED
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| GOTE User Info... |  A night of Unholy black metal WITH Descention Demyse Anatolian Wisdom @ Mikes Tavern 303 Columbia Sept 24th - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 5:08am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Are any of those bands from out of town? I think its really lame when bands members try their hand at promoting and think anyone is going to show up to an all-local show. It just wastes scene money that should be spent on bringing travelling/touring bands through Vancouver. - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:05am | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | This is my first time posting on this site and it seems the majority of you guys just come on here to to bitch and complain... wtf? Have some fun. Canon- I go to a lot of local shows, and there are always people at them. So YES people show up to all local shows. Some of my favorite bands are Vancouver and Victoria locals. You think local bands shouldn't advertise because only out of town bands are worth the coin? That is an incredibly ignorant and negative comment. Support your local scene you jerk. - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:44am | ||
| Legion User Info... | hey canon, shitty attitudes like yours ruin local scenes. Touring bands don't usually play towns where the turnout is questionable, ass. - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:44pm | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | I take back that comment about the majority...however there does seem to be an unusually high amount... - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 1:16pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | First, I'm pretty sure Canon.Docre was kidding.. stirring the pot of you will. A lot of the people posting here know one another, so a lot of sarcasm is accepted by most as humor! Of course, I may be wrong about this... Second, I'm not sure how much you've read through, but I've always thought of the Victoria crowd who posts to these sites as pretty all out lovey-dovey! Sure, there's shit-disturbers here and there, but it'd be totally boring if there weren't. Scene regulates itself, and Nev & Scott (LiveVic guys) don't intervene all too much. Third, welcome to the boards you guys! Hang in, maybe your perception of things will change. One more thing - I'm stoked about this show and definately will be in attendance! A little early to be the "reviews" section though.. normally we'd move it to the "Shameless self promo".. that may happen shortly. - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 1:46pm | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | Hahaha you're probably right. I just skimmed a few threads.. a bit quick to judge. - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 2:46pm | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | ME BAD - Sat, 11 Sep 2004 2:52pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | Hell no, you're not bad - in fact, you may be right! I haven't read through everything. Time will tell, I suppose.. who knows what kind of evil really lurks in those nasty islanders.. - Sun, 12 Sep 2004 3:23pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | Where the hell is Columbia? Is it in Van or Vic? - Sun, 12 Sep 2004 5:13pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I think local bands shouldn't charge money to play a show in their own town. Deathmetal is not a fucking job, you don't deserve a wage. It just cheapens the integrity of your art. If anyone wants to throw away their last bit of dignity and argue me on this point, go right ahead. Touring bands don't play towns with questionable turnouts? Well if Vancouver had 1 or even 2 fucking rad metal shows a month with out of town bands I bet the turnout wouldn't be "questionable." Instead it is watered down with 2 shows every weekend. My attitude wouldn't be so shitty if I didn't see local bands sitting self-righteously at the top of their respective scene hierchy and pissing away MY fucking money on beer and coke instead of actually developing a scene by getting out of town talent to consider playing Vancouver and Victoria. If one of these bands if from Victoria, then sure there should be a cover charge (I know its expensive for Victoria bands to play Vancouver). Otherwise I hope there is no cover charge on the poster because its FREE. That being said, why don't you black-metallers work on getting another band of the caliber of Axis of Advance, or the Rites of Thy Degringolade/Inquisition show. THOSE were worthwhile. - Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:51pm | ||
| Jesse User Info... | It's in Vancouver. If you can make it over here you're in for a hell of a show. And fuck off to people complaining about only local bands playing---> "Are any of those bands from out of town? I think its really lame when bands members try their hand at promoting and think anyone is going to show up to an all-local show. It just wastes scene money that should be spent on bringing travelling/touring bands through Vancouver" Seriously man, there is a huge amount of talent in Vancouver and B.C. Come check out the Soulscar CD release at The Brickyard for a killer all local lineup. Soulscar, Angel Grinder, Pariah and Omega Crom. - Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:55pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | "Seriously man, there is a huge amount of talent in Vancouver and B.C. Come check out the Soulscar CD release at The Brickyard for a killer all local lineup. Soulscar, Angel Grinder, Pariah and Omega Crom." I know there is talent here! Some of my favourite bands are from Vancouver and BC, and I am always stoked to see local bands playing shows, but they get -really- boring and stale if they play every other weekend without new bands. There is a very strong international scene that exists outside of Vancouver, and people seem to have resigned to the fact that it will pass Vancouver and Victoria over because of dodgy turnouts. I don't even know why I'm arguing this with anyone, its not going to change anything and the few people that know who I am in real life are going to hate me now. I just won't go to these shows because I can see the same bands next weekend, or the weekend after that, playing alongside with new bands from out of town. Variety is the spice of life, you know? - Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:04pm | ||
| GOTE User Info... | Your Bitterness is quite humorous You should be an American go pay yer 40$ to go see yer fucking commodore worthy bands you are right about the "local bands sitting self-righteously at the top of their respective scene hierchy " but at the same time those bands are usually shitty anyway without charging 5-10 bux for these local shows how do you think these shows could continue to go on ?? - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 2:16am | ||
| SOS Jesse User Info... | Whoah it's been a while since I posted on this board... I think all-ages shows can be a bit of a crapshoot but when they work out, they're fuckin sweet. Victoria seems to have a great all-ages scene, I think it's totally worth bringing bands from Vancouver. - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 3:44am | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | "My attitude wouldn't be so shitty if I didn't see local bands sitting self-righteously at the top of their respective scene hierchy and pissing away MY fucking money on beer and coke instead of actually developing a scene by getting out of town talent to consider playing Vancouver and Victoria" You're right some bands do waste away the money made from shows on booze and coke but not every band. Even the ones who do spend some of it on equipment or maintanence on their instruments. How are they going to afford to make music if they never get paid? Futher more who are you vocalize what people should be spending their own money on? Sounds pretty self righteous and hypocrytial to me. Maybe you should start a revolution- you could be the Stalin of the metal scene. - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 9:48am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | can I be Trotsky? - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:03pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | You only get to be Trotsky if I can kill you with an ice-pick. ... and spend your money on whatever you want, but when those same local bands are opening for a band from out of town next weekend (or the weekend after that) and you can't afford that show, nor want to go because you just saw all the opening acts, you tell me who is fucking their scene over. And I wager that no one is making a living from playing local shows, so I doubt any BC bands are banking on huge turnouts to the local pub to finance their sweet rack gear. - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 1:08pm | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | Well.. if you are so easily presuaded from going to a show for a band you really like because you just saw the opening acts then you aren't really that big of a music enthusiast and you won't be missed. I personally have friends who are dozens of bands and I know first hand a lot of them save bits of money (and they arent really paid that well) to buy music gear or to put it towards vans and stuff to tour. If they arent supported locally how they fuck are they ever going to make it out of the city? - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 2:05pm | ||
| hesher User Info... | this is dumb. there is nothing wrong with local shows. I ll be there in my grimmest most frostbitten form. there is also nothing wrong with getting payed to play a gig. strings cost money, drum heads cost money, merchandise costs money. Everything costs money. Descention is a killer band and they are my bros. Ill go see em this weekend. and if they play two weeks later ill probably go to that too. hesh out - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 2:16pm | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | Dr. DoomXXX - the Columbia used to be in Van but it doesn't exist anymore. It's now called Mike's Tavern. - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 2:26pm | ||
| Give me a Break User Info... | Are you f'ing kidding me? Play for free? Any band that plays for free is essentially screwing all the other hard working bands out there. Bar owners will always book the bands that play for free because they're FREE! My band used to put tons of people on the guest list but then we realized these same people (mostly our friends) were dropping $30-50 at the bar. If they can afford to do that, they can afford to pass $5 our way (even if they have heard all of our tunes before). Nobody is forcing them to come out in the first place so no more guest list. As was mentioned above, being in a band costs money and if a local band can do well enough to break even, that is a great thing. My band puts all of our earnings in a band fund which goes towards jam space rent and misc. costs such as promo packs and even the recording of our demo. Personally, I like the fact that I don't have to shell out of my own pocket to cover these costs. I agree that playing every week will not benefit either the band or the scene, but they will figure that out on their own soon enough. Every band that I have ever been in finds their stride eventually. When they have exhausted the possibilities in their own town, they will have no choice but to play in other towns. Also remember if a band has talent they will become known as word of mouth spreads. But it takes time. Usually it does not happen overnight. On the other hand, if a band has little or no talent they will eventually wither and die (unless they are Hot Hot Heat- I have no explanation for that one). And lastly, while most of us are in bands because it's fun, do you really expect us to play for free so we can subsidize you? We are entertainers and entertainment costs money. It costs money to put on a show (albeit indirectly), therefore it costs money to see a show. If you want to only do activities that cost nothing, go for a hike. Maybe you can get Pacific Trekking to give you a pair of boots for free just because you graced their store with your presence. - Mon, 13 Sep 2004 4:07pm | ||
| KK Downingsyndrome User Info... | Cannon, it's nice to see you out and about again. Haven't really seen your posts since Bloodred. Cheers. I'll stick my foot in my mouth and agree with some of Cannon's points. I agree that local bands who play every weekend get a little stale. Solution: I don't go to that many shows. I'll go see the bands that I like and ignore the rest. I don't agree with supporting the scene for scene-supporting's sake (foot, meet mouth), but would like to see more varied lineups. Meaning genre crossover. I'll say that I've seen Zuckuss and Angel Grinder enough times for now, but when they have a CD release or new material to play, I'll be there because I like those 2 bands. Otherwise, keep playing and I'll go somewhere else, no offense intended. That's why Tard only plays once in a blue moon. However, more to the point. I'll try to be at this show as I've never seen Anatolian, am curious as to what they sound like and want to support my friends who play in the band. Nuff said - Tue, 14 Sep 2004 2:36pm | ||
| SOLTAR User Info... | This is why i hate the local "metal scene", the music seems to come second to the righteous attitude (you stupid idiots). There is nothing wrong with playing for money (we are all stuck in shitty old capitalism), but on the other hand it is stupid to charge more than you have to. Logic tells me that shows with all local bands should always be cheaper than the ones with touring bands. - Wed, 15 Sep 2004 4:24pm | ||
| Rollerballs User Info... | SOLTAR, i completely agree. Keeping local shows cheap is respecting the fans and making it easier for them to come to more shows. - Wed, 15 Sep 2004 5:11pm | ||
| GOTE User Info... | shouldn't ever be more than 10 bux to see a local band.........and bars NEVER charge more then that ....at least not in any bars that host local metal - Thu, 16 Sep 2004 2:16am | ||
| bride_of_el_duce User Info... | $10 is too much....$5-7 is more realistic. - Thu, 16 Sep 2004 9:22am | ||
| Sati User Info... | You know what I love is when I'd head to the Cobalt to see some killer local bill, with like 3 really great bands that draw pretty well, assuming that it'll be a $10 show.. and then they point to the wall saying its still only 5 BUX!! I mean, its crazy, and I then start flipping out telling them that they should have let me know so I could've spread it around that its a good show for cheap. And they just look at me and shrug, like, "its always $5 unless its something special". hahaaa.. Cobalt rocked/s... All I can say is, I understand there's business to be considered, but MUSIC should be ACCESSIBLE to EVERYONE! Thats why I'll push a guy playing acoustic in the street just as hard as I would a big show. - Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:24am | ||
| handyrandy User Info... |  Agreed. I wish i could spare the cash to get to the mainland to see this show. - Thu, 16 Sep 2004 1:52pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | I wanted to post this just in case any of you Islanders were thinking of coming over for the show: ================== Mike's Tavern/The Columbia - done As of today, Mike's Tavern will no longer be putting in live music. All future shows shows have been cancelled. The people booking the room cite irreconcilable differences with the owner. They're as bummed out as the rest of us and regret the inconvenience to everyone. So that means the Descension / Demyse / Anatolian Wisdom show will not be happening this Friday. If anyone can help with moving this show or rescheduling the same lineup, I'm sure these bands would appreciate it. ============== - Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:27pm | ||
| wendythirteen User Info... | GEE...TOO MANY VENUES...TOO MANY GIG WHORES...IM TRYING MY DAMNDEST TO CHANGE THAT...5 BUX IS FUCK ALL DUDE...THESE GUYZ/GALS SWEAT THEIR BALLS/TITS OFF TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ENTERTAINMENT...WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THERE FOR THEN...GO TO A DOUCHEBAG PICK UP DANCE BAR OF BOLLOCKS THEN AND PAY COVERCHARGE....OR COME LISTEN TO KILLER LOCAL TUNES AND SHUT THE FUCK UP....SEE YOU AT THE ASBALT...5 BUXS PLEASE.... - Wed, 22 Sep 2004 4:59pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | Welcome Wendy, say hi to Victoria! First show at the ASBALT is tonight, and she's been just a ball of energy all over town gearing up for it. And "HandyRandy", I've got to admit, you got me flustered.. haha. If you were serious about coming over for the show, 2 of the 3 bands have rescheduled and will be playing a Black Metal show on Oct 30. It'll be wicked. - Thu, 23 Sep 2004 2:55pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | I am definitely compelled to post on this particular topic...and I'm about to rub a lot of people the wrong way but I don't give a shit... People are fucking lame, that's just the way it is. We've put on lots of local shows, and I always find it amusing that the people who bitch about having to pay for shows (or come to the show without 5 BUCKS for fuck's sake, because THEY were the ones who spent their money on beer and coke) also happen to be the ones that have never had to pay rent in advance or lay down deposits (or lose them for damaged shit, eg.-Pandora Project show July 3rd 2004) I am an avid metal supporter; I always pay at EVERY show I go to and I buy the CD's that I like (no more.) I mean, people are willing to pay who-knows-how-much-$$ on getting high and loaded, and all of a sudden paying $5-10 (or more) for a band you like is a moral atrocity? ("How dare they...") After chatting with Cryptopsy and Bloodshoteye with ML7 after the Vic show, to find out that selling merchandise was what was helping them put gas in the fucking RV and eat, made me feel good to blow $30 on a shirt, 'cause you know some of it's actually going to them (unlike HMV's RIDICULOUS $30+ CD prices) Moral of the story? Support your local scene or stay the fuck home with your elaborate felt-pen-labeled CD-R shelf of Kazaa downloads you lazy dumb fucks. Cheers! P.S. Seasons of Sorrow has some more updates, http://www.seasonsofsorrow.com - Sat, 25 Sep 2004 1:09am | ||
| kidchikk User Info... | i don't even know if the subject was broached(?) but i had to reply to the guy that said local bands should not charge cover...umm, jam space rent, equipment, time? none of that is free, or is any of the effort that people put in to making their band ... - Sat, 25 Sep 2004 5:08am | ||
| kidchikk User Info... | i've been going to shows for 150 years and for the last 6 months been working in one of our last venues. there is always a complaint to bitch about on the board but if you're in music or can relate, i don't see the problem. in vancouver, we have the problem of being "over the border" so there can't always be an out of country or town band. there are quite a few venues in town and you have to figure of at least 3 bands every night for each venue, there's gonna be repeats. second, sometimes, the bands are going on tour, and they need all the money they can muster. and also most of the time, if an out of town band plays and doesn't make money, most local bands that i know have been known to forfeit their share of the door to let the unlocals make some money at least for gas. and,yes the guest list is always another source of contention. some bars have a limit, we leave it up to the band themselves how many people they let in. the door is what the bands take home, so if they're not making money as someone mentioned, while it's good for the bar, not so much for the band. but it's up to them... just go out and support what you can.. - Sat, 25 Sep 2004 5:21am | ||
| Akylore User Info... | Agreed. - Sat, 25 Sep 2004 7:40pm | ||
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