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| Tyler User Info... | posted on Myspace by Austin: thanks to everyone who came out to our show tonight. thank you to apparatus theory for playing first, thanks to vile style for ripping it up. thanks to breaking point and quick said the bird, even though we had to cut breaking point off, and quick said the bird weren't able to play. thanks to the kids who actually care about the scene, and acted like human beings, and just wanted to have a good time. no thank you to the little shitheads who started fights, were caught drinking and doing drugs, and attempted to have sex where we thought we couldn't see them. i will say this unequivocally: you are not welcome. you never will be. i don't forget faces, and i will certainly never forget yours. you are, effectively, banned. a few things i feel i should clear up. FIRST: yes, i do have the right to take away your alcohol. SECOND: no, you can't have it back. THIRD: yes, really. FOURTH: i know this will be the most hated statement of the year, but i feel i did the right thing in shutting the show down. i know it sucks to not see your favorite band, but to those kids who were there to have a good time, remember this. this is what happens when you do not police your own scene. shit gets fucked, and you don't get shows. this is the last show i'll be doing for a bit (hi-jinks in february is the next one on my schedule) and i swear if this shit goes down again, i will do exactly what i did tonight: shut it the fuck down. i will not tolerate bullshit of this extent, ever. you don't like it, too fucking bad. all that negativity aside, thanks for coming out, and i'll see you all around. january 7th is gonna fucking rip. seriously. -austin Drinking at shows causes trouble. Drinking outside of shows causes trouble. Drinking anywhere visible near a show causes trouble. It is not your legal right to drink alcohol at a privately rented event, or even in public. Especially if you're underage and especially if you're starting fights. Many of these new members of the scene don't understand why we ask them to please go somewhere else to drink. Are we imposing rules on them? Are we "the man"? No, we're trying to keep everything free of trouble. In the recent past, a lot of venues have been lost due to this kind of trouble. Orange Hall and Garry Oak don't book shows anymore due to violence and alcohol. The Sunset Room got in trouble for a show full of public drinking. There are more examples. We're trying to keep the all ages scene alive and well and it's just so hard when so many ignorant young kids don't understand this. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 1:48am Edited: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 1:48am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Austin showed balls and integrity. Good on him. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 7:03am | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | HAVING SEX? wow i wish i was there. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 4:39pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | The most irritating part about this is that really there's not a ton we can do about it... people will show up drinking at shows and acting like dicks regardless of what, it sounds like given the circumstances Austin did the right thing but it's also heavily unfortunate that it has to reach this point. Hopefully kids will start to get the message after awhile... - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 6:04pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | hey, appreciate the support. i really do feel it was the right thing to do, and hopefully this will not cause the james bay community center to shut down. i'll know tomorrow when i go talk to the folks down at the JBCC. thanks again to all the amazing kids who showed up and had as good a time as they could. things WILL calm down soon. they always do. edit: ATTEMPTED to have sex, nick. they were getting pretty close a couple of times that i caught them (same couple half the time) and i kept telling them to quit it. honestly, it's not the worst thing that they could have been doing. they're fourteen. it's hard to hump when mom and dad are watching the price is right in the next room. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 7:11pm Edited: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 7:23pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | pfft, I do that all the time. You just cover her face with a pillow. On a serious note, there is a reason that hardcore shows still happen on a regular basis. People who put them on care enough about the future of the shows that they are going to take precautions to make sure that the shows continue to happen. I thought that maybe Austin was over reacting at first, but the more I think about it, the fact is, he just really cares about our music scene and wants to keep it going. Even if a show for different bands would go on after this, other scenes have had alot more problems with trying to get shows on a regular basis than the hardcore scene. I think there is a reason for this, as I stated... Anyways, back to grinding through owlbears on WoW... - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 8:46pm Edited: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 8:49pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Pussies. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 9:01pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Actually I want to elaborate on that, by saying: What the hell, yo. Whatever happened to rock n roll? Would you rather have a sit-down crowd that's just there to appreciate music? Music isn't just about music; it's about letting go and fighting back and simply BEING in a manner so intense that it defies the traditional definition of Being. I'm not one of the kids that drink and fight at shows (won't say anything about the fucking). But I love it when those kids come to my shows. Sure, they make it hard on everyone. They make you lose money on a show by moshing holes into the walls (@ Gary Oak w/ Moneyshot). But they're what rock n roll is about. It sucks that rock is dead. Today no one rocks. There's so many shows with posters that read things like "ROCK DEATH METAL HARDCORE SHOW!!!! DEATH OF BABIES and HARDSHITFUCKDEATH put on a BIG HARD DEATH RAPE SHOW!! RAAARRGGH!!!... if you bring a vegan dish you get in for FREE MOTHAFUCKA!!! Don't do DRUGS !!! Stay in SCHOOL!!! HARDSHITFUCKDEATH SAYS- Listen to your PREACHER!!!1 HARCORE!" It's sick. Just sick. Long live rock n roll.. thanks kids for giving "The Man" a hard time(and yes, you are the man for trying to keep things free of trouble... that's what the word means). - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 9:13pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | Shut up. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 9:29pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "We're rock stars against drugs, cause that's what the president wants! ... Suck Satan's Cock." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkA6zugNMQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCwfQ - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 9:36pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | I hope you're still preaching "rock & roll" when there's no where to play. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:30pm | ||
| kay User Info... | Shut the fuck up. Wowee, ain't it great a big ol hole was moshed into the wall of a venue?! Ain't it even COOLER that they don't book all ages shows anymore?! Whooo, I remember when rock n' roll was all about punching in peoples faces, getting thrown into jail and getting ass-raped all night long. Good times. "The Man" died in the sixties along with your juvenile irresponsibility. I think Austin made the right choice at the right moment regarding this show, he got the point across EXTREMELY well, there was alot of bitching and whining on the part of the youn'uns but they'll be sure to remember next time to leave the booze at home or go find a 14-year old infested house party. Which is what we want. So I don't have to smack a bitch. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:08pm Edited: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:17pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | There's nothing revolutionary about getting drunk and shutting venues down forever. If you're trying to make a political statement, do something that doesn't make you look like a thoughtless moron. As promoters, we're trying to keep the venues open and functional. Is it "rock & roll" to be one of the kids at the show, dressed like their favourite MTV band, living the rock star life they've heard about on corporate television? Obviously none of us want kids to just sit down and watch music. Most of the advocates of the all ages scene were ripping it up in the pit. I'm sorry you think rock is dead. Is the rock you believe in something that died before you were even born? I think rock is alive and well and has evolved into something much more engaging than getting drunk and ruining everyone's fun. - Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:31pm Edited: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:32pm | ||
| Rawb User Info... | If you need to drink to lose your mind in the name of rock and roll you're a fucking weak-minded coward. Good for you, Austin. Sorry I wasn't there... - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 9:21am | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "Actually I want to elaborate on that, by saying: What the hell, yo. Whatever happened to rock n roll? Would you rather have a sit-down crowd that's just there to appreciate music? Music isn't just about music; it's about letting go and fighting back and simply BEING in a manner so intense that it defies the traditional definition of Being. I'm not one of the kids that drink and fight at shows (won't say anything about the fucking). But I love it when those kids come to my shows. Sure, they make it hard on everyone. They make you lose money on a show by moshing holes into the walls (@ Gary Oak w/ Moneyshot). But they're what rock n roll is about. It sucks that rock is dead. Today no one rocks. There's so many shows with posters that read things like "ROCK DEATH METAL HARDCORE SHOW!!!! DEATH OF BABIES and HARDSHITFUCKDEATH put on a BIG HARD DEATH RAPE SHOW!! RAAARRGGH!!!... if you bring a vegan dish you get in for FREE MOTHAFUCKA!!! Don't do DRUGS !!! Stay in SCHOOL!!! HARDSHITFUCKDEATH SAYS- Listen to your PREACHER!!!1 HARCORE!" It's sick. Just sick. Long live rock n roll.. thanks kids for giving "The Man" a hard time(and yes, you are the man for trying to keep things free of trouble... that's what the word means)" you sir, are brilliant. no, thank you for showing me the error of my ways. TRULY, me getting arrested for contributing to delinquancy of a minor will bring back rock and roll. i mean, fuck, it's not like it's about the MUSIC, NO, it's about looking cool and fucking shit up to the point that it can't be used anymore. i mean, the music is secondary. seriously, name one thing ONE FUCKING THING that you or any of your idiot friends have changed by drinking, fighting, and fucking... ...go on... ...can't, can you? that's ok, i'll tell you something you've changed. my friend kyle's face. he has a nice long scar down the chin where a stupid little girl who was "letting go and fighting back and simply BEING in a manner so intense that it defies the traditional definition of Being." by drinking her face off cut him with a boxcutter. oh wait, but fuck man, those kids were just fighting back against "THE MAN". THAT'S ME!! oh man, i'm the man! i guess being a responsible, intelligent human being who gives a shit about the welfare of the people around him makes me an enemy of your faux-rebellion! i mean, the many, many protests and marches i've been involved in against government action, the petitions i've started, the letters i've written, they mean NOTHING to your "rock" ethic. damn. better just go crawl into a hole and die. i have NOTHING LEFT TO LIVE FOR. you know what? in ten years, when your driving an SUV, and have nothing to do with the "music" you profess to love; when your voting to shut down venues, and calling cops to shut them down, and when you have left all this behind, I'LL STILL BE HERE. so fuck you kid. i already won. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 9:34am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "seriously, name one thing ONE FUCKING THING that you or any of your idiot friends have changed by drinking, fighting, and fucking..." Actually I don't drink and I've never been in a fight. "Wowee, ain't it great a big ol hole was moshed into the wall of a venue?!" And that really sucked for us. And it was retarded, but no one got all whiny and shut down the show. I am not rock n roll. I am into reading and poetry and romanticism and jazz music. I'm a huge nerd. I'm just dissapointed that everyone who claims to be HardxCore can't stand up to the act they put on when they're up on stage. All I'm saying is, sing what you are, be what you are. If you want to be in Cyborg Justice or whatever noise/metal/punk/hardcore band, then you should probably expect people to be assholes at your shows. If you don't like people practicing what you preach, then do some spoken word poetry or lounge music and preach niceness and soberness. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:27am | ||
| Tambo User Info... | None of the bands that played preached anything about drinking, violence, drugs, etc. I know our band talks about social and political change, we talk about our ideals and beliefs. Vile Style writes about having good, clean, fun, and how awesome Victoria is. Breaking Point writes about, again, Dax's views on events of his life, and other's around him. There was not one band on the bill that claimed to be about "fucking shit up", so I have no idea where you're coming from. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:50am | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Aidan, try learning something about hardcore before making yourself sound like an idiot. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:21pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "I am not rock n roll." that statement contradicts THIS statement: "Whatever happened to rock n roll? Would you rather have a sit-down crowd that's just there to appreciate music?" so if your not rock and roll, what the fuck do you care if we are or aren't? "I am into reading and poetry and romanticism and jazz music. I'm a huge nerd. I'm just dissapointed that everyone who claims to be HardxCore can't stand up to the act they put on when they're up on stage." fuck you. seriously. this is a statement made by someone who doesn't know a goddamn thing about hardcore, or punk rock, or music in general. hell, you've made a lot of comments that show you don't know jack shit about music in general, but that statement proves it beyond a doubt. just for the record, EVERY poster for a hardcore show has the warning "No booze, No drugs, No fighting" and we enforce that strictly. We ARE only about the music. sorry to disappoint your misplaced youth angst. "All I'm saying is, sing what you are, be what you are." i'm 26, vegan, straightedge, into all types of music but hardcore especially, i put on shows, i live life on a dime (quite often going hungry to promote my band or the shows i put on), i'm going to school full time, i walk everywhere in an attempt to lessen the impact on the environment, and i love this town and it's scene(s). i honestly don't know how to be more than that. that's who i am. i sing that, i preach that, i am that. "If you want to be in Cyborg Justice or whatever noise/metal/punk/hardcore band, then you should probably expect people to be assholes at your shows. If you don't like people practicing what you preach, then do some spoken word poetry or lounge music and preach niceness and soberness." i actually DO preach niceness and soberness. i DON'T expect people to be assholes at shows, because they usually aren't. what happened on saturday is a bit of an aberation. usually, things are nice, polite, and full of fun. that's what we preach. once again, that's who we are. you really don't seem to know what your talking about at all. it's actually kinda funny. that, and the fact that your backpedaling so fast. at first were pussies for not allowing drinking/drugs/fighting at our shows, and now were fakers and "posers" because we PREACH drinking/fighting/drugs (we don't) and then get angry when it happens. first your rock and fuckin' roll, next your just into jazz and poetry, and don't appreciate all this crap. which is it dickhead? which person are you? what do you really believe? because, for all your whining about people "being what they are", you don't seem to know what you are yourself. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:29pm | ||
| darcy User Info... |  I wasn't at the show, but it sounds like Austin did the right thing. If shit looks like it WILL go down, then STOP it! Even if some people get a little upset that they couldn't see this awesome band, I'm sure they would understand next week when they go to the same, OPEN, venue and have another amazingly good time. Fuck! Since when was Rock all about getting smashed and trashing down what your peers have worked so hard to build? Wasn't Rock built out of, mostly, the Blues? Wasn't the Blues about freedom in pain? Wasn't it doing the most with so little? Wasn't it putting your heart out there to see, and not giving a flying fuck about what people think of honesty? Sorry buddy, but I don't want my rock having sex with a fish up in a hotel room, or dying when it's really only started to get good. Punk was the answer to all of that! Punk was about taking musicians down from some ivory tower, and showing that what really matters is the shit that EVERYBODY has to go through, and that things can work out just fine when WE ALL work to make it that way. that's how I like my rock; DIY. Actually, maybe I'd say DIO ( \m/ ) for Do It OURselves! Because that's what Victoria's music scene (The all-ages scene being a part of it, and the hardcore scene being a part of that) should be about. People rocking because they've got shit to let out, not puke. Edit: Shit, what do I mean "punk was the answer to all of that!"? Punk still IS the answer to all of that. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:50pm Edited: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:51pm | ||
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| Aidan Logins User Info... | Hahaha. Okay. Man, this has gone too far. My first post on here I was really just kidding around and being a douche for kicks. Then everyone flipped out. And usually I'd stop right there, but it was too funny. You guys are really seriously extremely passionate about this... chill. I'm only foolin around. Only time I was serious was when I said that I wish there was still some Rock N Roll, and when I said "I am not rock n roll." Two statements which apparently contradict eachother somehow, but they're both true. I just started to post here as an excuse to link to some Bill Hicks videos, because they are fun. I'm cutting the chord on this angry thread... and I won't be checking back here so don't bother telling me how I'm a young stupid asshole for using the internet to have fun and make stupid jokes at the expense of people's fragile tempers, because I will not read it. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 3:09pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Woah, I've never been resposible for moving a thread to the Controversy board before... - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 3:11pm | ||
| darcy User Info... |  "for sure!" "'Aight, where do you wanna go?" "Actually I lied. I don't like ice cream. and we're both turtles. And we don't have mouths. and ice cream doesn't exist. and neither do stores. and we're in the bottom of the ocean...and in space. but I have a mouth" - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 3:27pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Of course it becomes "just a joke" after everybody has unanimously shot down and ridiculed your statement. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:03pm Edited: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:03pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | burn the witch - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:31pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | cant u guys let up after one person tells him off....? ya sound like a bunch of indignant americans sticking up for their country haha. He gets it. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:39pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | I dunno, I get kind of defensive when somebody's mocking me. That's just me. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:40pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | well since u guys are all about social change and all that shit then why didnt u take the " well i see your point, but.." path instead.. ooooooooooohh now who's the hypocrit. :P im jk dude. gorilla biscuits 4 life - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 4:46pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Okay, I'm going to preface this by saying that I don't know much about hardcore other than I don't really care for it as a musical style. Now that being said, YOU'RE PUTTING ON SHOWS FOR FUCKING TEENAGED KIDS!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO!!! Jesus Christ, if you don't want them drinking at the show, have searches at the door (all the shows I went to as a kid had them). DON'T however, expect this to lead to sober people at your show again THEY'RE KIDS! The fighting isn't cool I'll agree so just eject the fighters and let everyone else enjoy the show. And kids fucking WTF mate?? THEY'RE KIDS!! Damn. Are you honestly gonna tell me that you never once as a kid got fucked up and went to a show? Me thinks that if these things bother you so much you might be in the wrong buisness. Hell I lost my virginity at a No Means No show at the Union Club. I think the real problem (the drinking and fighting) may be more closely related to your security arrangements (or lack thereof). Just my two cents. ~These are the days of drunken public fornicating Doc - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 5:02pm | ||
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| trevor corey User Info... | ........well, the boxcutter isn't funny. When me and Doc were kids, cocaine was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to expensive. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 5:58pm Edited: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 5:58pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "Okay, I'm going to preface this by saying that I don't know much about hardcore other than I don't really care for it as a musical style. Now that being said, YOU'RE PUTTING ON SHOWS FOR FUCKING TEENAGED KIDS!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO!!! Jesus Christ, if you don't want them drinking at the show, have searches at the door (all the shows I went to as a kid had them). DON'T however, expect this to lead to sober people at your show again THEY'RE KIDS! The fighting isn't cool I'll agree so just eject the fighters and let everyone else enjoy the show. And kids fucking WTF mate?? THEY'RE KIDS!! Damn. Are you honestly gonna tell me that you never once as a kid got fucked up and went to a show? Me thinks that if these things bother you so much you might be in the wrong buisness. Hell I lost my virginity at a No Means No show at the Union Club. I think the real problem (the drinking and fighting) may be more closely related to your security arrangements (or lack thereof). Just my two cents. ~These are the days of drunken public fornicating Doc" no. kids being kids is not an excuse to act like animals. shows are privileges, not rights, and i (as the promoter) have the right to take it away from the kids if they do not behave. it probably taught them a lesson, and will most likely make them think twice about pulling that shit. i'm pretty lenient when it comes to most things (you can ask the multiple people who i've simply told to take their drinking elsewhere, and then let them back in the show) but the shit that was going down at the show on saturday was too much. like i said before, i shut that fucker down, and i'd do it again. oh, and just so everyone knows, i spoke to the gentlemen from the james bay community center who rented the place to me, and he confirmed that that was exactly what i should have done. most likely, if that show had continued, we would have lost it as a venue. then we would have nowhere. edit: sorry, just read that and it seemed a little bit on the attack. i'm just very very set on the fact that this was the correct move. and yes, i as the promoter have to accept some responsibility for what happened. some things WILL change at the shows i do. but the fact is, i'm not gonna let the small minority of shitheads who fucked that show up off the hook just cuz "they're kids". actions have consequences, and those kids have hopefully learned that. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 6:22pm Edited: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 6:39pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | succinct. correct. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 7:08pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | I wasn't gonna read any more of this thread, but then I saw how many posts kept coming in... woah! Group hug? - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 8:05pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | "shows are privileges, not rights, and i (as the promoter) have the right to take it away from the kids if they do not behave. it probably taught them a lesson, and will most likely make them think twice about pulling that shit" Bet you it doesn't. I'm not saying to let them off the hook because they're kids, I AM saying that you as the promoter have a responsibility to enforce, or atleast see to the enforcement of, the no drugs/booze policy. Remember, these are teenage kids and they ARE going to act like animals whether you feel they should or not. I'm just saying, if you're putting on shows for teenage kids then you shouldn't be suprised if something like this happens. As for talking to the guy from the James Bay Community Center, fuck that shit. I think you over reacted, but since it's done it's done, I still maintain however that a better security arrangement would reduce or eliminate this problem in the future. Hell, I remember going to see punk and metal all-agers when I was in my teens and, while we would get all drunk and stoned before going, none of us would have immagined picking fights because 6 or 7 big assed bald punk rockers would have kicked the shit out of us and ejected us from the show*. And as for shit getting wrecked from moshing.....I'm not even gonna comment except to say IT'S FUCKING MOSHING!!!! Now Austin, I don't know you, but you seem like an alright guy, I just think that you maybe need to have tighter security at these things and then you won't have repeat incidents. ~If you grab a chick's tits in a mosh pit is it really sexual assault? Doc *Note: There was never REALLY an expectation of getting beaten down by security guys at the all agers I went to, but a show of force can be a real deterent and the guys you get should be willing to conduct "forcible ejection" if it's called for. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 8:30pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | ok, you know what, i'm seeing the problem, somewhere we got wires crossed. you seem to have the idea that i didn't have security, and that shutting the show down was my first response. it wasn't. first off, there was security. the fight that ended up having me shut the place down was between one of the guys helping me out, myself, and a kid who tried to fight us. second, i as well as several of the people helping out with security, had taken away alcohol, stopped kids from smoking, etc. etc. etc. it wasn't like i didn't have people helping out. i had been speaking to kids all night, attempting to get them to stop, being as nice as possible. the guys helping me out (it was volunteer) were doing the same. it was the fight, which was like the twentieth incident of the like that happened, that finally made me shut it down. it was obvious that despite the use of security, these kids weren't listening or taking us seriously. it's not like i just walked out went "holy shit, kids are drinking!" and shut the show down. it was pretty close to the end, and i had been attempting to keep it under control the entire night. edit: and i'm not sure where the idea that i was worried about the moshing..i love the moshing. as long as the venue isn't getting fucked up, i love seeing kids go nuts. hell, i broke my arm in a mosh pit in august. it was awesome. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 8:54pm Edited: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 8:56pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Austin, I'm sure you had security, and I'm sure that you didn't have any options left when you shut down the show. I was merely advocating increased security (maybe 6 or 7 big assed bald punk rockers). Then again maybe it won't work. Maybe all this hippie bullshit don't discipline your children P.C. crap has spoiled today's youth to the point where they simply are not responsible enough to have all-ages shows to go and see. Meh, what am I going to do about it anyways. Hope that it all works out for you. ~Sucking cock is fun as long as it's my cock and your sucking. Doc - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 9:18pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | no, you're right. one of my changes will be increased security. as i said before, i as the promoter have to take responsibility for what happened, and make changes accordingly. it's unfortunate that this happened, and i'm going to do my best to learn from my mistakes, never let it happen again. "Maybe all this hippie bullshit don't discipline your children P.C. crap has spoiled today's youth to the point where they simply are not responsible enough to have all-ages shows to go and see." TRUTH. - Mon, 10 Dec 2007 9:30pm | ||
| tyler User Info... | so why out of every band in victoria did you mentino cyborg....we used to sing about pizza and now we sing about weak weak kids who get all dressed up to come to shows, and heirophant. but yah to add my opinion so late in the post eems pointless but i dont really care, it just seems like a different crew of kids have been coming to the past couple shows, not your typical punk rock kids and hardcore buds. too me they seem like really young as hell 14 year old girls and thugged out emo kids, i know its common sense but maybe those kids just dont understand why they cant drink or so on? i pretty sure those kids couldent really tell you a thing about hardcore, maybe they need to be educated or something....but i cant really say anything, ive gotten drunk as hell at far too many shows(non at the jbcc thou!)..only thing is if your gonna take smokes away from kids ,you should get everyone to stop, cause its not really fair to them if other people can...but yeah smoking is a fucking joke. ok so this is way too long get your sixbrewbantha cd now for free - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:51am | ||
| Doc User Info... | Well Tyler, smoking is something entirely different. You're right, they shouldn't let anyone somle in the venue because it's ILLEGAL! Austin, if you're reading this I suggest you think up a policy for punishing any smokers in you're venues because you as the promoter and the venue itself are on the hook for HUGE fines if CRD happens to stop by. I personally am a smoker, but I would never dream of smoking inside anywhere. I don't even smoke in my own home, because I'm not going to expose my fiance to that shit. Oh..and Austin since you are straight edge, feel free to e-mail me after your next show and I'll gladly "dispose" of any booze that you confiscate. ~Tequila in, panties off, fun start. Doc - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 2:24pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Oh, I almost forgot. Having a couple of female security at the door to frisk chicks is of the utmost importance. I can't count how many times I could have smuggled stuff into a show b/c there was no female staff to search my fiance. And you might want to think about banning leashes attatched to collars (if that type of thing turns up in the hard core scene). I've never been asked to remove my fiance's leash and it's made of severely heavy duty chain mail and could really fuck someone up if it was used as a whip. Just a couple of suggestions. Hope they're helpful. ~Fisking chicks is fun, but alas, also illegal. Doc - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 2:35pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | where was all this debauchery at all the all-agers I've been to/put on/played??!?!?!?! I'm missing out! - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 2:44pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | oh, trust me men, i know how much trouble i could be in for allowing smoking inside. that was a DEFINITE bannable offense. in fact, now that i think about it, the same kids i kicked out for doing that are the same kids who came back and attempted to fight me. funny. as for the female security, i'm not sure if that will be necessary. i'm just planning on having mandatory bag check in's from now on. you can't have your bag back until you leave the show. most kids now a days where pants so tight, you can totally tell if they're attempting to sneak something in. it's really just a matter of keeping an eye on everything, and being vigilant. that's what stops this shit before it happens. - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 4:02pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | . - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 4:21pm Edited: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 4:26pm | ||
| littledina User Info... | hey dudes wtf happened - what's up - sounds like another unfortunate event at an all agers show AGAIN - so sad, man...its me-jeff's mom-and he's in cyborg justice - so tyler, jeff, bryan - dudes if you ever want help and need a chick security gal i'm in...let me know in the future.i've always supported the local scene and my son's bands...peace out. ps slayer rules STILL! - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 4:42pm | ||
| Teem Shitty User Info... | We love moms and will all dress like ladies if we can be frisked by Jeff's mom littledina!! - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 9:38pm | ||
| jonny B. swell User Info... | I'm behind Austin on his decision. Shit happens at shows and always will. Hell, in the middle of the first bands set i got my nose busted up in the mosh pit and walked around all night with a freezy on my face. That didnt bug me at all, But when i went outside and saw all the 14 year old drunk girls running around screaming in a pretty suburban area, i thought the show might be ending a bit early. I saw one guy whip a bottle at some dudes house across the street fcrom the venue. That sort of shit is just asking for a show to get shut down. - Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:10pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | hahhah tyler did you write a song about my band? - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 3:39am | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "Hell, in the middle of the first bands set i got my nose busted up in the mosh pit and walked around all night with a freezy on my face." oh shit, that's right! i forgot about that. well, glad to see you're ok. come out to more shows. i promise much less drinking/nose breaking at the next one. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:08am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "so why out of every band in victoria did you mentino cyborg...." Oh I remember seeing a post a loong time ago (probably the first CJ post ever) announcing the band to LiveVic. Or, at least I thought it was Cyborg Justice. If you sang about pizza then I'm probably thinking of a different band. It was some noise band with really short songs that had lyrics about killing prostitutes and they caused a big message board stink for a short while... I coulda sworn it was you guys? maybe it was just a joke/ploy to get people to listen to your myspace?? I listened to it back then, but couldn't really make out the words (but I read some of the lyrics and they were really nasty). Who was that band? - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:42am | ||
| Tyler User Info... | Aidan I think you should do a little bit more research into different genres. Noise, as a genre in the music scene, is a style of music based in manipulation of feedback and electronics. There's a guy who posts on here under the username "moron" who knows a lot about it and has a project called Griefer. Hardcore is a completely separate genre that grew from punk rock. Cyborg Justice consider themselves power violence which is distantly related to hardcore but warrants its own genre name. I know that it's getting a bit insanely specific but that's only your view as an outsider. These musical styles have their own culture and attached values, just like you see rock and roll having its own culture and values. You're embarrassing yourself a little bit with stereotypes and claims that are completely unrelated to the genres. Also I want to just say that no matter what happens on these forums, I think you're a cool guy and I'm into your active involvement in making music. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:07am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | The band that had the lyrics about killing prostitutes was a noise band (they said, but were pretty coherent for a noise band...) I thought they were called Cyborg Justice. I was just asking if this was or was not your band, cause that's why I mentioned you earlier... (I didn't know what your band sounded like at the time.) I thought it was Cyborg Justice who had lyrics about killing whores (which would have made the whole thing relevant). I just checked out your myspace and I wouldn't call that noise. I'm down with noise. I do a lot of noise and glitch myself. Never seriously though, just fucking around trying to circuit bend with my very limited knowledge of how things work... So I guess it just wasn't your band then (who are clearly not a noise band and who do not have the lyrics I mentioned.) So then I apologize for using your band as an example of people who sing about murder and then get pissy when people party too hard at shows. I have songs about doing drugs and having sex, and I support people who do those things at my shows. Fighting I'm way against, since most of my songs are love and peace crap. But if I wrote songs about fighting and killing, then I'd be trying to start riots on the dancefloor and all that. I realize these bands aren't really like that - the ones that had the show. But I thought Cyborg Justice was one of those bands (having confused them with another band, wonder who that was?? I remember being shocked...) Anyways, like I said, I was all sarcastic and over-the-top and douchey about it just for kicks. And mostly to introduce some Bill Hicks videos that I had watched just before. (if you didn't click the links yet, do. You might not like him, but I think he's funny). Word to making music. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:17pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Hey Aidan, I remember the band you were talking about. Their name had something to do with Willie Pickton or something like that. Tyler, I hate to burst your buble dude but there are only four genres of music in the world. They are (in order of importance): Metal (all kinds), Classical, Blues, and Lame. Just kidding really. I respect, if not like, all styles of music, but this whole genre thing is waaaaaaay out of proportion. Y'all should stop trying to label your music and just go out and enjoy making it. I've been in several bands that people have tried to classify as this type of music or that type and it really pisses me off! Music is music. I think all music should be classfied in to two genres 1.)Not suitable for children under 10 or adults over 50 (usually a lyrical distinction). 2.)Not interesting to anyone in between the aforementioned ages. Just my opinion, but..meh maybe I'll feel different after a couple more drinks. ~All music is noise, but not all noise is music Doc - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:49pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | http://LiveVictoria.com/index.php?&restore_state_manually=1&action=load_mb&new_subject=222016¤t_board=17&search_string=whorehouse massacres&search_time_limit=360&lower_limit_dbf4ae=100 - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 2:12pm | ||
| Bryan User Info... | Aidan, the band you're thinking of is Death Rape, which is our (Cyborg Justice)'s guitarist's old joke one-man goregrind band, and was essentially noise. I would like to think our current band isn't THAT bad... Or it might be that Whorehouse Massacre one, who we have no affiliation with. Nick, we might have... - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 3:10pm Edited: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 3:11pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Yeah, I do some music http://www.myspace.com/plumbdumbpyro And I don't know what genre it is. But I always get people going "man, I love your new psi-trance post-funk-hop bigbeat jump-up dwntempo alt-jazz-step shoegaze track!" or something like that. Making up crazy new names for stuff... I mean, it's usefull if you're a musician and you need new descriptive words to discuss the direction of a song or an idea you have or whatever. But I think people who aren't musicians use these waaaay too much just to sound like they know things. I just say my music is a combination of rock, electronica, jazz, and funk. But sometimes it's not. I don't think that stuff matters once a song is finished. If someone asks me what genre I am i say "I don't know," and hand them a card with a link to the tunes. Death Rape... wickid awesome band name. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 3:31pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | all of the sub genres are only usefull to the people who actualy like the music. and what's wrong with killing whores anyway? one less spread std! :) - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 4:26pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | I like how ^ this kid has become so hateful lately! - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 6:02pm | ||
| sumyungai User Info... | I'm sorry if this is a little off the original topic, but I have to totally agree with Doc. Why is music here in Victoria so tribalized? Everyone here in Victoria is so into their 'scene' and merrily deride anyone else's. I know I may not win friends by saying this, but I have never been anywhere in the world where the music scene is as 'clique-y' as in Vic. Now maybe this is a product of the times and not geography, but I'm finding it near impossible to get anything done in this town on account of what scene I may or may not be associated with. It seems somewhat counter- productive to me to see music so fragmented against itself. Y' all speak of the punk scene, the black metal scene, the skate scene, the blue hair art kids scene,etc..., etc... Man, I'd love to see the end of that shit. I'm no hippy preachin' peace and love, but goddammit it's time to get rid of petty barriers and accept one another as musicians. The soapbox is yours... P.S. Andrew... I'm all for STDs and those who spread them... Elimate the stupid! - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 6:06pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I hear you there. Victoria is very closed-minded and inbred. It sucks because it seems folks shut out other styles of music that they may gain enjoyment from. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 6:36pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | OK a few things Death Rape was my one man JOKE REPEAT JOKE goregrind band. Cyborg Justice is a band that im a part off right now and id like to say a few things about us 1.We are NOT Powerviolence 2.we did write a song about hierophant 3.Pv is dead 4.smoke hella pot i never drink or smoke pot at all ages shows because it destracts me from the music and thats why i go to shows to thrash to rad tunes. PS - austin were you taking smokes from kids who were smoking outside or were they smoking inside? - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 7:21pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | "I know I may not win friends by saying this, but I have never been anywhere in the world where the music scene is as 'clique-y' as in Vic. Now maybe this is a product of the times and not geography, but I'm finding it near impossible to get anything done in this town on account of what scene I may or may not be associated with." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wrong. i'm not trying to be insulting, but i lived in pheonix, az for six years, a city where if you were WEARING a metal shirt to a hardcore show (or vice versa) you would get the living shit kicked out of you. when slayer and hatebreed toured together, and came there, a FUCKING RIOT broke out. literally. riot gear clad cops and all. the skinheads and punk kids had a similar thing going, and since the hardcore scene and skinhead scene were "allied" we all fought punk kids as well. it was fucking ridiculous and stupid. i can name a dozen other cities that had/have similar problems. victoria is quite possibly the most laid back city i've ever ever lived in, and every out of town hardcore band that's come through here has literally marveled at the fact that hardcore kids, punk kids, metal kids, and indie kids all seem to go to shows and get along pretty well together. sure, we have our problems, but this city is fucking awesome for it's ability to work together. i once put on a show that had tough as nails, acting ensign, and fury and the mouse all on it, and it was great. amazing energy, and lots of fun. so i've got to REALLY REALLY disagree with you on this one. as for labeling ourselves...well, that's just human nature. people enjoy being able to point to a specific group of people and say "that's what i am." were tribalistic and cliquish in nature. oh, and jeff, as far as i know no kids that were smoking inside had their cigarettes taken away from them. we told a LOT of kids who were smoking inside to get out, and i know some had their cigarettes taken away from them, but only because they were breaking the law like morons. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 7:46pm Edited: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 7:47pm | ||
| JDL User Info... | just because our town is laid back and can seem to appreciate working together; doesn't mean its not one thats clique(y). I dont knock your point on people getting together and going to a show; having good times. But how many 'new' people do you see out at those shows compared to the reg. crowd or the scenesters? Though my opinion is kind of skewed cuz the last A.A show i played was about 6 years ago lol which would also be the last one I was at. I usually go to bar shows where the space is too small to clique up and everyone just rocks. Not to put down AA shows; but I just haven't had the desire to go to them cuz most of the bands I want to see put on both bar and a/a shows. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 8:29pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | oh, i'm not saying there are NO "cliques" in the scene's in this town, i'm just saying they don't really have any power, and kids tend to be able to put aside their differences and really work together when it's important. in the end, even though i label myself as a "hardcore dude", i'm gonna work with anyone who will further the music scene. - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 9:40pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "i'm not trying to be insulting" but I am, so it comes out that way. jk jk, just watching more Hicks videos. He's not even funny, I don't know why I keep watching... The clique thing is weird. I never understood it. Does anyone know why people identify themselves in this manner? I never did that; never got it. I used to just assume people called themselves Hardcore or Emo or Hipster or whatever else because they were only into that style of music... but then those things are sooooo much more than music related, and people who call themselvs one thing are usually interested in things that don't fit in to their self-generalisation at all. They just don't present those things in their outward appearance so much. It's like there's only so many types of personalities and everyone picks one personality to go with. I don't know if I'm just really fragmented and confused, but ... well, anyone got some theories on this? Why do people do this? - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:47pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | The one thing that always bugged me about playing all age shows was that I couldn't drink either. After I was old enough to drink, I would often keep a healthy supply of beer on my amp, found it made the night go a little more smoothly, and it totally dulled the pain from rocking hard for 90 minutes plus solid. I'm not knocking all agers either, because I, and I'm sure many others, got their start that way, but man, if you could work out a way where it was all right for the bands to drink, provided they are legal, then I'd go back to playing all agers for sure. The kids seem to enjoy themselves alot more than a bunch of the people that I see at bar shows lately. ~Pass the whiskey and tune this thing down to C for me Doc - Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:58pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I've always felt comfortable bouncing from "scene" to "scene" in Victoria. I don't dress to code though. When I was a kid in the Cowichan there was shrubs, preppies, jocks(football team/wrecking crew), native Indians, East Indians, bikers, hippies, etc, etc, etc, and they fought ALL the time. Victoria ?was/is? very peaceful to me. All the different "tribes" seemed to mix well. I even saw a blue Mowhawk at the Royal when the National Ballet was in town. .......................should we be worried about young Andrew? - Thu, 13 Dec 2007 1:34am Edited: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 1:36am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | just rebelling against "PC". Nothin to worry about my friend. - Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:53pm | ||
| kyle User Info... | it's a little late to join this thing, but fuck it. first off, to austin and everyone else who helped put the show together, it was fucking amazing. i've only started going to shows again over the last year or so now, and i'm actually blown away by the talent in our scene. i was mad as shit when things got shut down early (i was waiting for quick said the bird to play), but austin definitely did the right thing. no apologies for any generalisations made in the following- YO! 14 year old emo kids! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU??? just to clarify here, fashion shows and hardcore shows are two very different things. your look is a joke. your attitude and lack of respect for others who came to see real, meaningful live music is a joke. and if you can't rationalise enough to see the truth in the above statements then you are a fucking joke. i saw people outside just running and throwing themselves into the building as hard as they could. people were screaming and yelling in an otherwise quiet downtown residential neighbourhood. inside the venue, it was hard as fuck to move around with chains of little girls walking around all holding hands. and it's great that your posse of 20 wants to block off the only doorway in and out of the room the bands were playing in, but show some common courtesy and get the fuck out of the way. a concession- i left the show partway through to smoke some weed with my friends. in principle at least, i contributed to the kind of activity that would get a show shut down. BUT, to illustrate what i feel is a valid point, i had the sense to LEAVE the venue while engaging in said activity, and when i came back i didn't break anything, didn't hassle anyone, i hung out quietly and watched the bands. the point is, it's not impossible (even while inebriated) to not be a complete fucking asshole and compose yourself enough so that shit like this doesn't happen. so here's to mass marketed corporate "alternative" youth culture, in the hopes that emo kids everywhere can put down the mirror long enough to realise that just because you're only a young teenager doesn't mean people won't get really really angry at you when you act like a cunt. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 2:15am | ||
| tyler User Info... |  p.s leave little girls out of this, its not really fair to take shots at them but little boys on the other hand..fuck um - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 1:06pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I live about 100 feet from the venue and from when the show started to when it shut down I heard loud, annoying screaming which could have been 14 year old girls or boys for all I know. It sounded like 100 kids were going nuts, but when I actually saw there were only 15 kids out front I realized that these young people were clinically retarded. I'm all for teenagers having fun and getting loaded and everything that goes with having a good time. We most all did it at that age. However, when people have trouble acting responsibly in such a state, it's time for the parents to come pick them up and ground them for a week or two. Bring back spanking!! - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 4:44pm Edited: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 4:46pm | ||
| Austin [hates you] User Info... | haha. way to go tyler. get me a copy of that tape when you guys get it done. and yeah, i'm sorry to anyone who lived close to the james bay. i'm sure it wasn't fun at all to have to hear that shit. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 5:14pm | ||
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