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FRIDAY 4/28 Tard CD Release w/ Horde Of Anachron and Peruke
| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > FRIDAY 4/28 Tard CD Release w/ Horde Of Anachron and Peruke |
| Heather User Info... | -Tard -Horde Of Anachron -Peruke Join us as Vancouver's TARD release their debut Cd! Handigrind/Tardcore with members from Omega Crom and Muspelheim. With Horde of Anachron Blackened Deathrash from Victoria with ex-members from Pariah, Allfather, Gallows End and Hunting Humans. and Peruke Insane Deathgrind from Victoria with ex ML7 guitarist Tony on vocals. At Logan's Pub Friday April 28th Tix at the Door $7 [day edited by Admin] - Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:02pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 5:48pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | That will be one hell of a show. If I can get down there I will. - Mon, 3 Apr 2006 3:44am Edited: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 3:44am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | BRVTAL DEATHGRINDERS PERUKE WILL KILL AND RAPE YOUR BRAINS OUT. (I thought they were curmudgeon rock?) - Mon, 3 Apr 2006 2:18pm Edited: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 2:19pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | No, canon.docre, it's your women we'll kill and rape (just taking a page out of Behemoth's book). /yeah, I know - kinda low. - Mon, 3 Apr 2006 5:05pm Edited: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 5:08pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | can't wait to see Peruke and HoA. - Mon, 3 Apr 2006 6:00pm Edited: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 6:01pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I pretty much just want to see peruke. - Mon, 3 Apr 2006 7:35pm Edited: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 7:36pm | ||
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| ammut User Info... | Dammit, how come whenever there's a good local show going on, guaranteed I'm working? Fuck that, I wanna see the infamous Tard......I guess I'll have to be *cough cough* be sick that night! :P - Tue, 4 Apr 2006 5:35pm Edited: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 5:37pm | ||
| hesher User Info... | Whoa man. Like handicapped people are totally hilarious. huh huh. huh huh. - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:07am Edited: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:13am | ||
| Heather User Info... | I am waiting on one more logo. Then there will be a poster. An exquisite poster at that. - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:32am Edited: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:35am | ||
| todeshauptmetallmiliz User Info... | do you need the H.O.A logo? - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:18pm Edited: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:18pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | Oh I know Hesher! It's kewlz 2 b un-PC!! SETH PUTNAM 4 LYFE. - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:29pm Edited: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:30pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | from what I understand 'Tard' have dropped the 'degrade the mentally handicapped' act with the departure of Jessie on vocals. uhh.. dont quote me on that though, Randy and Timmy are still in the band after all. Its probably just what TOm keeps telling me to hide his shame :) - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:58pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:27am | ||
| Heather User Info... | Band website URL's Tard: http://www.myspace.com/misternasty http://www.tard.tv/ Horde Of Anachron: http://www.myspace.com/themightyhordeofanachron Peruke: http://www.myspace.com/peruke - Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:24pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:28am | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | "Randy and Timmy are still in the band after all." But even more importantly, Mike - Jordan is in the band, which tells me that a lack of "social conscience" still might be in the cards here. Especially if you check out the cover of their new cd. I can't wait! - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 7:43am Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 7:47am | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Thanks a lot Meatlocker Mike and Heather for putting this show together and thanks to Peruke and Horde of Anachron for playing with us. TARD is pumped to rip Victoria a new asshole. Our deepest apologies if our band hurts the feelings of some of the pc crusties who post here. Keep flaming our band if it makes you feel better, it's amusing to us. We are influenced musiclly and content wise by the likes of Gorgasm, Cannibal Corpse, Macabre, Gwar, early Slayer, early Carcass and other acts with extreme ideologies and concepts and we cant wait to properly represent brutal deathgrind in Victoria even it's for 2 people. To any of our supporters - keep it BRUTAL and stay SICK! - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 9:29am Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:00pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | I should also add that TARD features ex Within a Vision/Jonas bassist Jason Welch and ex Champions of Hell/Repulveriser/Immaculate Infection guitarist Jordan Bird. A big part of TARDs roots are from your city... - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:08pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:14pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | don't worry mr. nasty, our feelings aren't hurt. we just think you're a loser. I'm not going to this show. - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 1:54pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 1:55pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Cant please everybody I guess. Have a good one. I'll go fuck off now... - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 3:32pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 3:33pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I was hoping to have shit thrown at me. Darn. - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 4:20pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 4:20pm | ||
| jason User Info... | Looking forward to playing this show and seeing some familiar faces. I have no problem with someone having issues with TARD or the themes we toy with. I will respect anyone’s opinion, especially if they are willing to engage in dialogue. But I have zero respect for PC heroes, who so often segregate and discriminate when a persons ideologies fail to mimic their own. Mmmmm…what’s that called again? And as Mister Nasty alluded too, TARD will not be shedding tears because a few brave souls decide to show their moral indignation by not attending If you like brutal metal, come to the show and have a good time. - Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:09pm Edited: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:11pm | ||
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| Andy McBeer User Info... | Sounds interesting guys, I'll try to come check it out. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 1:34am Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 1:34am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | yes I'm really losing sleep over my facist tendencies to not tolerate rapecore bands and their rapist members who rape and threaten to rape women. sorry that your rape ideologies not mimicing my anti-rape ideologies is causing barriers between us. why the fuck would I bother engaging in open dialogue about that? you're fucking stupid, your bands are fucking stupid, fuck off. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:13pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:16pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | You guys, we know some of you, so I'm asking you to do us a personal favor by trying to keep the thread civil. Its cool that these things are being discussed, but no threats please, and no accusations that you can't back up.. etc. And namecalling?? whatever.. And to be fair, there are only 3 bands who're playing. I guess you can bring in baggage from all their other projects, but there's probably enough here as is. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 1:35pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 1:36pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | What a bunch of crap. Where did you come up with this shit? Nobody in any of these bands has raped or threatened to rape anybody nor would we tolerate such behaviour in a real life situation. We all have girlfriends for fucks sakes. That is some really underhanded rediculous bullshit youre spreading. Tard is a brutal, technical deathmetal band that makes no mention of rape whatsoever. Go fuck yourself idiot. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 2:13pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 2:47pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | sometimes I get confused, I consider tard to be abuse pt. 2. tard must be the band with tolerable lyrics .. oh no, wait, you don't, your lyrics are fucking awful. And I just wanted to point out with my original post that you don't seperate reality from fiction, as you so cowardly claim when confronted about the things you sing about. I know one of tard's members has gotten his face punched in on multiple occasions in victoria because he's a sick fuck predator who should have his dick cut off. NO TOLERANCE FOR RAPE. NO TOLERANCE FOR RAPISTS. FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 3:07pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 3:21pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Cry some more little baby it's really starting to amuse me. One more post and I think you'll have an aneurism. The only lyrics I have ever written were for the second Myopia album and there is no mention of rape, or sex(except with livestock) or even women for that matter. All Abuse and Crackwhore lyrics were written by OffalConnor who is a happily married man with a very supportive wife. I dont know who this sick fuck predator you speak of is but if you are reffering to Jesse from CumSoc and Zuckuss he is no longer in the TARD. He is however a good friend of mine and one of the coolest dudes I have had the pleasure of partying with. You can hop up and down and stamp your foot in disgust all you want man, I really couldnt care less. Im just looking forward to pummeling Victoria with some wicked grind and partying with some cool people I dont get to see very often. Thats it. There is no hidden agenda or alterior motives. Sorry to dissapoint you. Now go play policeman somewhere else cause you're starting to look more like a TARD than any of us (except maybe Barry). - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 3:25pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 3:43pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Who is the predator you are speaking of, connon.docre? - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:28pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:29pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I'm not sure how having a girlfriend, or a wife, makes you exempt from criticism regarding your attitudes towards women. I've heard the same arguement from facist skinheads with non-white girlfriends. It does not hold water. Who cares who it was, he'll get his, I'm sure. Again. hahahah. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:35pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:39pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | Yeah Id really like to know who he's talking about as well... - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:44pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:47pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | next time you're practicing ask "who's been punched out in victoria for raping someone" and see who raises their hand. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:53pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 4:53pm | ||
| MisterNasty User Info... | This is just getting fucking rediculous. Not even worth a response. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 5:00pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 5:04pm | ||
| Mordock.the.Benzite User Info... | I am 98.5% sure I know who the person cock.docker is refering to...but yeah, not going to post that. "Im just looking forward to pummeling Victoria with some wicked grind" why do van brutal death bands always describe themselves as grind bands? It makes me automatically dubious when I hear "vancouver" and "grind" in the same sentence...a second opinion is always necessary. for fuck sakes. I WILL BE AT THIS FUCKING SHOW! - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 5:34pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 5:46pm | ||
| jambon User Info... | This show sounds good, if you don't like the bands, shut your mouth. Freedom of speech. And who cares if they call themselves grind? Grind is such a vague term anyways.... people who care about pc shit like that should stay on myspace where they can pretend they're cool and show off how many d-beat crap band patches they have on their clothes. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 6:58pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 7:08pm | ||
| Destroy_The_Flesh User Info... |  This is Horde Of Anachron's first show and we are practicing up for it with our new member Beef ! This show will be a Bru-tacular Extravaganza!!!! - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 7:28pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 7:36pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | Something just isn't right about making such heinous, criminal accusations about (some non-specific) member of a band. And posting it in a vague, cat-and-mouse way to LiveVic? Thats even worse, cuz its disrespectful to all the people involved, if there is truth to it. It makes me wonder just how seriously the crime or issue is really being taken. Sorry, but this is all just too wierd. - Fri, 7 Apr 2006 8:22pm Edited: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 8:32pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Hahahaha, Hey Nasty, welcome to LiveVic, bahahahah Looking forward to seeing HOA too. - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 4:27am Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 5:43am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Id like to know who the predatorial rapist is. Seriously. Out with it already if its true. - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 2:09pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 2:11pm | ||
| crackwhore01 User Info... | HAHAHAHAHA im a politicaly correct metal head, christian rock only no abuse, no satan, no fun allowed - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 2:28pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 2:29pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Hey Id also like to clarify that the promo for this show is 100% Heather's work. All I did was help suggest some bands that would fit this bill after being asked to find a local promoter by Mr Niceguy. carry on. - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 2:57pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 5:13pm | ||
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| todeshauptmetallmiliz User Info... | Fucking great poster! And man'O'man this has been the most entertaining thread of nonsencical crap i have read in a long, long time! TARD, welcome to PC victoria can't wait to play with you guys and peruke as well. It should be a spectacular ceremony! - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 7:08pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 7:14pm | ||
| todeshauptmetallmiliz User Info... | Heather do you have a link to that poster? If so can you post it? Or e-mail it to me at [email protected]. Thanks! - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 7:15pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 7:16pm | ||
| Suffuckation User Info... | Well suprise suprise canon.docre found something to whine about. It seems there's no bands left that can play a show without him finding something to bitch about so maybe everyone should just give up, it is after all a crime to think differently then he tells you to. It's also one hell of a misconseption to think there's anyone left in this city who doesn't know what his opinion is seeing as how he can never shut up when there's an audience. Maybe he's just pissed over the fact that when Iskra finishes a set the only people cheering and getting excited are his fellow band members. I'm certain that as he typed "I'm not going to this show" his nose was way up in the air and he thought that someone out there was gonna get upset. Keep clenching your knuckles and "grind" your teeth in outrage over those of us who refuse to conform to your PC extremist bullshit. No one cares. Be quiet for a change. - Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:09pm Edited: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:20pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | when Iskra finishes a set the only people cheering and getting excited are his fellow band members. I for one know that statement is 100% false. - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:42pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:44pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | So much for shit not being hurled.. The first couple times I saw Iskra I didn't like them, but the last couple were really good and made me excited to see more. It sounds like people got their first impressions and then wrote them off for good. you lose...rrrrrrrrrrrr. (hAAAha! Ooh how I make me laugh!) Anyway, quit painting entire bands ugly because of one guy's stupid antics or other projects. We're all stuck in this cesspool together and there's nowhere else to turn. I hate you all equally, live with it. - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 1:40pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 1:41pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | hate you all equally Slipknot ;) - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 3:12pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 3:12pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | *yawn* sorry I got bored of this thread. I think the person I'm talking about should come forward if they want this straightened out. its not up to me. and don't worry, I don't think my posts are going to have any impact on your show. much love to peruke, even though they probably hate me now. - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 3:19pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 3:29pm | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | fuck him - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 4:25pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 4:25pm | ||
| TimothyTARD User Info... | Hey Caonon Docre...your claims of rape annoy me, In fact here is an Idea ...why dont you come down to the show and pay to get your face beat in. You are too chickenshit to name who you are talking about so most naturally I must assume you are talking about the whole band. Thats pretty ballsy coming from a pc homo. If you are enough of a child to hide behind your comp and call me and 4 of my friends rapists, then you are enough of a child to be touched/beat/violated by the whole bunch of us..Come to the show..Please do. If you dont I may not be as genteel with my offer and have to drag you out of your house. Love and kisses Timmy TARD - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 6:53pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 6:59pm | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | making friends .. free. getting threatened over the internet .. free. messageboards .. priceless. - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 8:54pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 9:02pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | No - the zamboni guy's pricelsss. /or, at least his head on a stick would be. - Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:44pm Edited: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:45pm | ||
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| krankercrom User Info... | "your bands are fucking stupid" I missed the part of which band your in? You'll all have to excuse canon.docre as he's just pissed off cause he's still stuck on page two of Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:28am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:30am | ||
| ODIN User Info... | "Tard is a brutal, technical deathmetal band" This all sounds great but is not true. The truth is, Tard as band is the equivalent of a brain fart. Even that is a compliment to their overall IQ. Their music is boring and generic at best. With not an ounce of talent, but more than an ounce worth of drug induced stupor. If you look the other way and ignore the lyrical content, the music still sucks. What's even worse the individuals in the band are not that bad of people. Sure they have crippling drug addictions and threaten to rape women, but come on, who hasn't? Even the best of us get caught up in life and end up sucking at it. And who doesn't enjoy a good laugh at another persons expense. Making fun of people with diseases is fun for the whole family! What's a great disease... oh I know, crippling drug addiction. Those people fucking suck at life. Don't worry they have a disease so they are not real people. I don't even think they have souls. Because people with disabilities suck! And it's not like they contribute anything to the metal community anyways. Keep it brutaly brutal you fucking sick fucks of brutalness wooohooo brutal and sick with the sickness fuck yeah!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:05am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:37am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | How is not finding rape funny a "PC" thing? Instead of literally debating canon you all just slag him. And why is everyone so bothered by the accusation of rape then if you're not "PC"? Shouldn't it be just a joke to you guys? You've been in/are in bands that have mentioned rape(Crackwhore/Abuse) with little regard for it's actual stigma. Shouldn't you just laugh this off like you do so many things?? - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:19am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:26am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | If someone raped another human I dont see what the problem should be in indentifying said rapist. Why the accusation without follow up unless it baseless, a rapist should not be protected and Im sure everyone in Tard and otherwise agrees so out with it already if its true. And Nick, I think once being in a band that isnt together anymore and being accused of such a thing is far beyond laughing at 'pc' attitudes. Im sure Gwar dont like being accused of evicerating pop stars and ass fucking pregnant nuns but they seem to revell in it onstage (I also seem to recall more than one resident PC'r front and centre at that show) Name the rapist, and I will personally see to it that they will not attend this show regardless of status. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:27am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:36am | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I can understand what you're saying...but on the other hand, i've heard rumours about said bands above. Not very nice ones either. Thus this makes me kinda wary of them. And i'm not just referencing the "rape" accusation in this thread. I have no idea if it's true or not. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:35am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:43am | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | Also, go to this show. Horde of Anachron and Peruke are two of Victoria's most talented bands. If you disagree with my point of view on Tard, go watch them. See them for yourselves and formulate your own opinion. Tell me how ground breaking their music is, and how technical they really are. Then describe to me their polyrhythm riffs with their multiple obscure time changes. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:51am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:58am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | This is out of control as usual. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:57am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:57am | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | "Their music is boring and generic at best. With not an ounce of talent" You shouldn't knock it unless you can do it...It's funny comming from Omega Crom and joining Tard wasn't the easiest thing to do cause the music really is complex in many parts. Its like anyother band I've been in or currently are in, people ask me which one is the hardest one to play and honestly they all have their differences. Some parts are harder than others in all the bands. Its no secret that I'm not the biggest grind fan in the world the reason I joined Tard, seeing as I'm brainless, is to expand my horizons in different styles of metal and the best way was to join a band that ALL the members are my Bros. Now it seems that the few people on here accusing one member of Tard of raping people are just going on a rumor of what they heard and thats why they arn't naming the name cause their scared that they could be wrong about this whole thing. Like it was said before if you disagree with Tard of you don't like the music then don't show up your not welcome there. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:06am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:35am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... |  And ODIN, I just spent 2-3 days with my gf staying in Van at Tom (krankercroms) condo and trust me there were no 'crippling' drug addictions or attempted rapes, and the guy fucking SMOKES on guitar, my opinion being further raised after seeing his Tyrants Blood jam, who were most excellent in a Kreator vein and all. Cant wait for their first show! I find it funny that people here practically worship bands like Cannibal Corpse, GWAR, etc. then cast a stone at a band like Tard. Gee lets tear the entrails from a pregnant womans cunt and eat it, you all be front and center for that but Tard are bad because back when Jessie was in the band he threw some cat food around the stage and pooped on things. Tard is not Abuse. They shared one member who doesnt even play the same instrument in this band. And didnt I see some of you ass-kissing Muspellheim recently? They must be a bunch of rapists too seeing as how Randy is also in that band. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 8:05am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 8:39am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | I love lamp - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:11am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:11am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Ahh yes, logic fed to Live Vic on the silver platter by Meatlocker Mike. All it takes is a little common sense, a bit of logic, and a bit of rational reasoning and the illogic and immaturity of some of the resident posters is illuminated for all, even themselves, to see. Ok, I'm stepping off the high whores now. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:06am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:11am | ||
| jambon User Info... | who cares about rape, she was probably asking for it - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:14am Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:14am | ||
| Sati User Info... | I wrote this earlier, but had a litte tech-type problem.. so here it is, a couple posts late: I'd like to know why when any real discussion of the issues develops, its deemed "out of control"? I'm really sick of all the "hahaha" that follows from certain people on here everytime rape or violence is given any weight. And re the "not meant to be serious, not a serious project at all" summation thats come up in past when representing a project about brutally murdered LOCAL women.. I still can't say how infuriating that one was. Not everyone in that crowd is so irresponsible about the topics, not even your little crushes - I mean heroes. Not that I'm defending what they do but from what I can tell about the guys I've met/know who're actually in Crackwhore or Abuse, they'd probably not treat the issues so flippantly as that either. Or refer to what they write about as "not serious" and "just a joke". Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt that they actually value all their little (metal's fun!!!) fans out there who just don't get it. They probably do have more respect for the guys who are totally against what they do, but at least share the common ground that these issues ARE serious and worth some thought and intelligent discussion. (And if anyone's physically hurt as a result of this thread, consider yourselves ALL total losers in my eyes, and no I will not ever attempt to forgive and move on - violence is bullshit.) - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:18pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:20pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | "You shouldn't knock it unless you can do it..." That's funny, you obviously don't know who I am. Good. "cause the music really is complex in many parts." If you think this music is complex, do us all a favour and stop. Mike I am not taking a slash at you so don't get involved. But since you want to get involved I'll include you this time. I do not worship CC and I fucking hate Gwar. I hate the stupid gore trend that has become entrenched in death metal. It's just like Tard, a stupid gimmick that has no artistic merit. Thank you Mike for bringing up this point. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 1:51pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:02pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Odin, I used the CC and Gwar references hypothetically in regards to the whole stupid thread ;) On another note, I know for a fact that at least a few members of Tard have in the past said good things about Gremory, so dont take it too seriously if Tom doesnt know you by your net name. Peoples opinions are just that. Im not exactly the worlds biggest fan of Tard style music myself. The only thing I want to know is who raped someone here in Victoria and if they are still in the band. The accusation was made, and if members of the band dont know about this happening of course they are going to come here and get all pissy at the accusers. Im sure if someone in the band did this, they arent showing up at jam with their beaten-in face and getting high fives for their actions. Its a serious accusation and anyone who rapes a girl deserves to die. I know Tom for example would feel the same way as would most within the Vancouver scene. I say lets get to the bottom of this issue. This in scene drama and fighting is ridiculous. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:10pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:25pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | "seeing as I'm brainless," "your not welcome there." mhm, your eh... well I think you've proven YOUR own point this time krankercrom and YOU'RE brainless. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:13pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:17pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | Well Mike that is great. Ask him when was the last time he's done coke. If his answer is never I owe him an apology. I do not support drug use, I know for sure some members take part in. I am not sure though if ALL members take part in it. I am not willing to drop names of who I know takes these drugs, but I want thoughs people to know I do not support it. I do not support your drug habbits and I do not support your music and the images you create with it. I couldn't careless what they say about gremory. That is Aaron's and Spencer's project, I am just a session player. My opinion does not reflect the opinions of gremory. If you have a problem with MY opinions address me and get in line. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:18pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:25pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Coke use is pretty much rampant everywhere if you hadnt noticed. Personally I hate the shit. This has nothing to do with rape though. I have no issue with those who snort a few lines ( providing they arent in my house ) but if someone is a rapist they should be exposed or Canon shouldn't be making these accusations and causing all this shite. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:26pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:27pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | Just because it's rampant does not make it right. I will have nothing to do with the coke crowd. As for the rape matter. No rape has taken place or that I know of. But you never know. For now we'll go with innocent untill proven guilty, this is Canada. The rumour is, there was a threat of raping an individual. I have heard this from several people in different circles of the metal community. If this is flase maybe the accused should stand up for himself. If not, who's to say it is not true. If it is true, then what is there stopping us from heckling you? - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:32pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:42pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | All of these accusations, name callings, and judgements are not constructive. Just get the facts out there and be done with it. I mean, would you people say this shit to the bandmembers of Tard to their face? I fucking doubt it. This is not any mature way to handle the serious accusations and shit flinging that has gone on. But maybe the situation is being a bit blown out of proportion. I know it is hard to imagine things getting blown out of proportion on the internet where everyone is a 500 lb body builder with god on their side. This type of shit defines Live Victoria as a forum. I can't believe anyone would take this place seriously. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:35pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:39pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | Go bury your head in the ground Platoon. Tard is worse off than I thought. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:53pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 2:54pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Oh? Do explain as I would like to know why 'Tard is worse off' than you 'thought'. Maybe I should bury my head in the ground. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:14pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:15pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | Yes you should. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:29pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:29pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Why? I want to know your logic behind it. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:31pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:32pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | There is another rumour floating around now. My logic behind it Platoon, if he is not afraid and the accusations are false, why is he hiding? - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:34pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:41pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | That interpretation certainly could be possible. However, that interpretation could be wrong of course. I do see the value in taking myself out of this particular thread though, if not for slightly different reasons as well. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:42pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 3:45pm | ||
| Anonymous | "You shouldn't knock it unless you can do it..." That's funny, you obviously don't know who I am. Good. I didn't know who you were but now I'm blessed being able to talk to God!!! I've seen your band live before and I have nothing bad to say about it but you obviously feel that your superior to everyone else and those atitudes get you nowhere!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:13pm | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | Mike, thank you for your kind words you truly are one of my Bros!!! "You shouldn't knock it unless you can do it..." That's funny, you obviously don't know who I am. Good. I didn't know who you were but now I'm blessed being able to talk to God!!! I've seen your band live before and I have nothing bad to say about it but you obviously feel that your superior to everyone else and those atitudes get you nowhere!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:23pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:36pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | And doing coke will, good call. By saying Good, I was implying I am glad I don't know you. I should have explained that better knowing who I was talking to. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:37pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:38pm | ||
| Anonymous | I'm sorry, I missed the part where you knew me so well!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:53pm | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | "And doing coke will, good call. By saying Good, I was implying I am glad I don't know you." Question here genius is if you don't know me how come you make a huge claim that I'm a coke user? Your a genuine Champ!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 4:56pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:02pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | "Your a genuine Champ!!!" Yes YOU'RE a genuine champ for picking that one out eh? Nope. I don't know you but I know the Vancouver dm scene. Everyone does, even your Bro Mike is aware of the "rampant" usage of coke. It's no big secret. So there you go, you win the prize, champ! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:20pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:23pm | ||
| ammut User Info... | ummm, when did coke enter this discussion in any significant way? Whether somebody does coke or not, that's their business entirely, I personally don't and would never use it, but have no problem with other people doing it as long as (like ML7Mike said) it's not in my house. What really bothers me about this discussion (and I use that term lighty considering the immuturity of it) is that NOBODY but the 2 parties involved were in that room at that time, so really, nobody knows whether these accusations are true or not. I find it incredibly ignorant of canon.docre(and everyone else) to throw that kind of accusation around on a public forum(instead of to the person's face, so they can speak for themself) knowing full well how it can easily get out of hand, and the repercusions of such an accusation!! My 2 cents on the matter is this: if this girl really was raped, why weren't the police called and the individual arrested! Yes I understand that there are cases where a female can be too embarresed or whatever after the fact to get help, but then why would they go around telling their friends instead of the police who could actually do something productive about the situation! The fact that no member of TARD has ever been arrested for rape makes me doubt these accusations. But then again, I was not there, and neither was anybody else who is flaming Tard! I for one am looking forward to this show, and I hope that all this bullshit gets left at the door so we can all enjoy some metal! If you don't like tard, then don't come to the show, it's as simple as that! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:22pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:44pm | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | Since I won the prize I think I'll go bust a few lines in your honor!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:38pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:39pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Odin, I was talking about rampant usage everywhere, namely here, never gone out before? - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:41pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:41pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | That's right Mike. I stay indoors instead of being selective of who and who aren't my friends. And Good for you krankercrom, it's your life and I want nothing to do with it. Ammut I know the threat of rape is certain, I do not know if the act of rape was certain though. I have never stated otherwise. Either way both are unacceptable. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:47pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:54pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | Odin I don't think that ammut was adressing you personally but what does kind of fuck with me is the sides that people are taking in this dispute. One guy tries to defend himself by saying that his band is talented and pulls off some difficult shit while someone else responds with accusations of rape and drug abuse. It looks like too many people on this sight and in this city seem to get right off on this witch hunt bullshit. Have we really gotten to the point where the only way to come off as being anti-rape/discrimination is to accuse everyone else of those offenses? Fuck that! Way too many people here need to do more growing up than I think they're capable of. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 5:59pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:13pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | But, almost any show, any party these days it seems there are some drugs going around.. I mean, I do beleive you and I have shared a joint before have we not.. ( another habit Ive all but dropped.. ) - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:02pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:03pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I don't think canon.docre was trying to save face about being anti-rape. That wouldn't make sense. Who knows, maybe he heard someone wrong, or was just misinformed about something. Then again, there's no proof on either side so it's best everyone just disregards it unless someone decides to spill the beans. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:19pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:24pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | That's right we shared a joint and a few beers. I don't have a problem with weed, I have a problem with coke. Just like I don't have a problem with ML7 but I have a problem with Tard. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:20pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:20pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | well it seems its all pointless bickering in the end. carry on. PS: I just discovered the anti abortion thread. Now thats some trashy shite! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:21pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:22pm | ||
| Fear and Loathing in Live Victoria User Info... | Dr. Doom if you read everything I have posted you'll know that is not my belief at all. I disagree that Tard is talented in every aspect, especially musically. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:31pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:31pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | personally I think this board is smoking crack.. why are the messages bouncing around so much.. look at the time stamps to see what I mean.. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:31pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:32pm | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | "That's right we shared a joint and a few beers. I don't have a problem with weed," Calling the kettle black!!! - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:34pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:38pm | ||
| Nik Olaz User Info... | I blame Nev. - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:35pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:35pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Im still waiting for the 'Whats Up With You Metalheads' guy - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:36pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:36pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | **GASP!** NEV'S SMOKING CRACK??? NEW THREAD! I think its moving too fast and people are still editing their posts while others are posting new stuff. If not.. yeah, someone should tell Nev. The coke thing probably came up because ex/current members of Tard & their fans went on and on and ON, on bloodred last year about the joys of excessive coke use and how proud they were of it, so it was kind of hard not to acknowledge it. Otherwise no one would have given a crap, and politely turned away, the way most of us do. So this is what they wanted: people giving a crap. I think it was part of the Tard shtick or something.. (i dunno, i never actually got that part of the joke). Soooo, its long past time for this thread to be moved to the C&Q section. Could someone pls start a new thread about the show? - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:36pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:39pm | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | Wheres Mr. Hell? - Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:38pm Edited: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 6:39pm | ||
| The Professor User Info... | OK, so the post is back, but in the quarantine section. One of our moderators had removed it, but upon request by some of the people involved on either side we've put it back up so that it can sort itself out. - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 2:09pm Edited: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 2:14pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | its' a ring toss game...... - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 2:13pm Edited: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 2:13pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Relaying unproven and uncharged rumors about rape is reckless. If it did happen, that is very unfortunate. The victim should press charges and the aggressor should be buttfucked against his will by his fellow inmates. Sometimes two wrongs do make a right. Usually they make people feel better too. The back and forth flaming on this thread is kind of an enjoyable read, but I feel that it could get better. What is worse anyway? Doing some coke or being holier than thou? Now I am gonna go pick up a few 8-balls for me and my coke buddy KrankerTom to gorge on while we discuss how much better we both are than all of you. What a press avalanche for Tard! Even if a bunch of people show up wanting the kill them, at least they'll have paid to get in. Spent on coke!! - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 4:23pm Edited: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 4:35pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | I heard the supposed truth from a few different people who dont know each other, and all I can say is Scott was way out of line to step into this thread and make that accusation. If its just his way of stirring the pot then it worked. If there is an issue with Tard's actual image and present members, fine.. discuss that. But to drag the show through the mud inadvertantly along with the promoters name and all else involved on the sidelines to meet his own ends and win his war of words with Mr Nasty is complete and utter BS. Anyhow, I was recently informed that Logans are on the verge of pulling the show due to various issues at hand, but I suppose thats what he wanted so at least someone wins. But lets hope it works out and the show goes on. If it is a go, I hope that everyone that shows up is not going to start shit and cause a scene at Logans who have been very supportive of all metal shows in the past, the last we need is a decent venue closing their doors to metal due to fighting or some related bullshit. - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 4:41pm Edited: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 4:55pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | ay ay ay Zordon!! this has spiraled viciously out of control. it's time for everyone to let it go, and remember, this is the internet. - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 5:31pm Edited: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 5:32pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Fucking with other band's shows for no reason other than to gratify one's own PC needs is weak. I hope that Logan's ignores this retarded thread (take that however...pun or not) and just carries on like nothing happened. Ridiculous. If you want to really show people how it's done...start a band called The Capable and play a show on the same night as Tard and draw their entire crowd to your show. That'll show 'em. - Tue, 11 Apr 2006 7:12pm Edited: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 7:19pm | ||
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| Akylore User Info... | I have a question; why bother putting this thread in the 'Controversy & Quarantine' section when 1/3 of the posts have been censored?! Ever since I heard that there was another band drama-saga that was twice the magnitude of The Grimbourne Identity, I was looking very forward indeed to witnessing the flamage. I counted 58 censored posts out of 174 (including mine.) I should have just watched Eddie Murphy's 'Raw' on the fucking TSB Superstation. I am very disappointed. Still, I don't understand why Logan's would want to drop this show. You're getting a hell of a lot of promotion!!! Remember Alice Cooper and the chicken?... ;) - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 2:31am Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 2:52am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | "if you don't like the bands, shut your mouth. Freedom of speech. " I really really hate to fuel this fire, but I found that quote delightfully amusing. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 4:26am Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 4:27am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Akylore, I know a bunch of my posts which dont show up were just mindless bantering between me and Fear/Loathing so I suspect they werent censored as much as lost in the deleted bin before the thread was ressurected. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 9:24am Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 9:26am | ||
| The Professor User Info... | Yeah, Mike is right, I basically brought back anything that had been deleted, which includes a bunch of little half done posts, that were aborted, or originally posted anonymously and deleted back before the whole thread was removed. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19am Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:24am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | I'm struggling with whether or not to just come out and say what I was getting at, especially since the local metal scene has rallied around these guys when they weren't able to muster any sort of redeeming response to my (yes, irresponsbile, inflammatory) accusations other than to threaten to beat the shit out of me. I don't think the details are necessary. When I originally found out about this incident I was referencing in my orginal accusation, I went directly to the person and confronted them about it. I was friends with this person, for fucks sake. Based on that conversation I ended my friendship with the person and told him he'd probably have to leave town, and sure I warned some people about him. He didn't take responsibilty for his actiosn, he was in denial he did anything wrong when even by his own face to face acount for me DID do something really fucking wrong. Well, several ass-kickings later, he did have to leave town, and while on one hand seems to be leading a normal life, the fact that he's playing in a band whose first recorded song 'Driver' was about a rapist serial killer from vancouver struck a raw nerve with me. Blah blah blah, I'm so fucking PC, I don't give a shit that's what some of you think of me. I can stand up for what I believe in, I am outspokenly against sexism and racism. Why should I be ashamed of that? Its not like I think every band should have lyrics like that, some of the bands I play in plainly don't have any agenda whatsoever. I can't believe he's showing his face in town again, what did he expect? Why shouldn't I sound a big fucking alarm bell when he comes to town, with a band like Tard. The assumption that everyone is on the same page that violence against women is not cool does not apply here because .. EVERYONE IS OBVIOULY *N*O*T* ON THE SAME FUCKING PAGE. Is this what you seriously want to support and listen to? I don't think everyone should have preachy PC fuck lyrics, but if you're going to go around creating a legacy of music like this and your rosters include such scumbags, I'm going to call you on it, and I think I should. Most of you can look me in the eye and say 'I don't live it, I am not influenced by these lyrics' but some of you can't. That's the point I was trying to make, that's why I temporarily lost the ability to be reasonable here. I never think the police should be called, I think jail is total enslavement bullshit, and I'd never rat anyone out for anything to the cops. I do however, think people should be held accountable for their actions and have to take responsibility for them. When a women says she has been raped, you don't just assume she's lying if she doesn't go the cops. That isn't your decision to make. That being said, that's the main reason I feel I did something wrong here, its not like I had consent to make a huge deal out of this, its not even really my business. I also didn't really mean to fuck HoA over, but I can't say I really care that some of them have taken it upon themselves to start shit talking me. I sort of fucked up their first show, and that sucks. I honestly like some of those dudes. I'm not attacking every individual into this kind of music, I like deathgrind, I like some of these bands from Vancouver, and I definitely like most of the crew that go to these shows. In fact I think I probably only have a problem with 3 people in Tard, other than I think its unfortunate that the others choose to be in a band with a theme like that. Its just that, unfortunate, but I shouldn't have done anything to attack them. But yeah, I want that ignorant racist fuck with the lazy eye in Tard to hate me, I sure as fuck want Jordan to hate me, and I sure as fuck want Randy to hate me. If you want to beat the shit out of me, let's have it, you can jerk off on my corpse and write a song about it afterwards. I'll come down for a couple of minutes and be all civil like at Logan's because we don't want to bring the cops there and if you decide you really want to kick my ass so bad we can go for a walk. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:59pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 2:00pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Well Timmy would have to bring a stool Scott.. to stand on so he could reach you,,, I wouldnt be too worried. I cant speak for Jordan but I know the other guys arent looking to come here and start any trouble and would likely talk this shit out with you if anything. Im pretty sure neither Randy, Tom or Jason are racist.. Not sure who old lazy eye is.. ? Anyhow word just came that the SHOW WILL GO ON as planned, the issues Logans had were with Jessie trashing their bathroom and offending everyone in general. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 2:56pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 3:12pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Scott, I don't wanna sound gay or nothin', but that post got me hot. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 6:14pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 6:15pm | ||
| Akylore User Info... | Aaaaaahhhh....so there were actually 58 abandoned posts? Interesting... "the issues Logans had were with Jessie trashing their bathroom and offending everyone in general." LOL That wouldn't have to do with him puking on his drum kit, would it? I remember that Zuckuss show in Nanaimo when he pulled that off, that was fuckin' hilarious! - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 9:01pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 9:03pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | If a bar hosts one of jesse's bands and he doesn't pull a poo out of his pants they should consider themselves lucky. ( not lucky bar, just lucky ) - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:02pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:03pm | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | Whats the point to replying when its all been summed up. And some shit is beyond talking. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:22pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25pm | ||
| Hurtin' Levar Burton User Info... | I just wanted to get my two cents in. *fart* - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:53pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:54pm | ||
| DOOMHAMMER User Info... | Well here. http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/dates/dec6/facts_e.html * Half of Canadian women (51%) have been victims of at least one act of physical or sexual violence since the age of 16. 1 * Of all victims of crimes against the person in 2000*, females made up the vast majority of victims of sexual assaults (86%), criminal harassment (78%) and kidnapping/hostage-taking or abduction (67%). 2 * Of all female victims of violent crimes in 2000*, 47% were victims of common assault, 9% of sexual assault, 9% of assault with a weapon causing bodily arm, 7% of robbery and 6% of criminal harassment. 2 * Women are much more likely to be victimized by someone they know than by a stranger. In 2000*, 77% of all female victims were victimized by someone they know (37% by a close friend or an acquaintance, 29% by a current or past partner, 11% by other family members - including parents) while 19% were victimized by a stranger. In 2000*, 27,154 sexual offences were reported in Canada, including 24,049 sexual assaults and 3,105 other types of sexual offence (such as sexual touching, invitation to sexual touching, sexual exploitation, incest, sodomy and bestiality). Women made up the vast majority of victims of sexual assault (86%) and other types of sexual offences (78%). In 2000*, the majority (54%) of female victims of sexual assault were under age 18 (20% were under age 12 and 34% were from 12 to 17 years old). Adult women aged 18 and over accounted for 45% of the female victims. With regard to other type of sexual offences, 43% of female victims were under age 12, 40% were from 12 to 17 years old, and 16% were adults. Etc. You can read that site for all the actual statistics. Im no fucking saint, im easily disliked, obnoxious, and fucking retarded most of the time, but I know the difference whats right, whats wrong, and whats fucking disgusting. Singing about, defending, or any of that other bullshit about rape is fucking retarded. I know which band member it is in question, I dont know the whole truth, but he hasnt done shit to defend the situation. Theres the talk of threatning to rape someone, which in my books is just as fucking bad and can atleast has witnesses. I'll be going there, and I know jordan will recognize my fat ass from punching him in the face more than once. Violence doesnt solve shit, but neither does fucking shit talking. Im room mates with canon so im pretty much on the date regardless. Complaining about PC rubbed me off the wrong way. Yeah, racism, violence against women, sexual exploitation and abuse, etc need to stop whether you're a fucking smelly crust punk, a fucking jock, a metalhead, etc. I dont think theres much of a debate on that one. - Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:13pm Edited: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:13pm | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | I would ask that all of you who have some sort of beef against the band take your beef elsewhere during the show, or atleast bite your fucking tongue and wait till the show's over and go somewhere FAR away from Logan's. I don't want this show ruined, and I don't a venue going down the tube, especially since this particular venue gave my friends their first out of town gig, as well as fed me handsomely just for being a roadie. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:27am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:29am | ||
| canon.docre User Info... | Yeah I'm pretty sure I was clear that we wouldn't bring the heat on Logan's. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:50am Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:50am | ||
| moron User Info... | The first Tard show that happened at Logan's a couple of years back is firmly in my top 5 list of best sets I have *ever* seen. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:06pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:13pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | ... - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:12pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:15pm | ||
| Andy McBeer User Info... | I was just reiterating, Canon, for those who came into the discussion late. - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 1:02pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 1:03pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Why reiterate unless you were worried someone would do it? - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 4:46pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 4:46pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | The PC comments from me were directed at people disapproving Tard making fun of the handicapped. Rape is never funny and never condoned. We should beat this into the ground for the rest of the year. I am sure there will be no violence. What would be the point? - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 5:35pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 5:37pm | ||
| moron User Info... | *Anything* can be funny context and making a joke that involves themes rape is not the same thing as condoning rape. If you are going to follow the jokes about rape = condoning rape line of thinking then next you will be claiming that if you are against the Iraq war you want the terrorists to win. Humourless, reactionary punks make me sad. Cheers - Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:15pm Edited: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 6:23pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | I most certainly won't. I think there's room for dark satirical jokes that use rape (or any other subject) as their subject matter, but they're damned difficult to get right. Try it at your own risk. Once again, I agree that everyone has the right you make whatever joke they want or laugh at whatever they want, but I reserve the right you think they're dicks for it, and stir shit up on the internet about it. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 5:21am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 5:27am | ||
| krankercrom User Info... | " never do coke - but seeing all this talk about it really makes me want some - Tommy, when you get over here, lets get a big bag of white and sniff it off of Mikes countertop and then throw darts at his couch." Between me you and Steve were gonna need more than an 8 ball...that will only be enough for 2 rounds!!! As for racists...I played in a band with a Black and a Native guy for 5 years and I'm still working with the Black guy who happens to be one of my best friends and and good friend to ALL the Tard guys. I do not tolorate racism and wether or not you want to believe there is no member of Tard who is racist. This subject is touchy so thats all I'm gonna say on this matter...If you don't believe me ask my Black buddy whom you probably have seen playing in Omega Crom if you had seen us in the past cause he's comming over for the show!!! - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 5:36am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 5:42am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Wow, 190 messages?!? Good joss! - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 9:54am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 9:54am | ||
| wordsaredumb User Info... | we just threw it up so it looks pretty hurting but you can hear some TARD mp3's at http://www.myspace.com/tardasinre oh...and hello MITCH. I look forward to meeting you some day. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:16am Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:22am | ||
| Platoon User Info... | Wicked. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 2:19pm Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 2:20pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Tard rock. I remember mentioning to the lead singer at an after-party that he reminded me of GG Allin without him doing things with bodily waste. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 6:12pm Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 6:13pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | and now he looks like a porno star cowboy.. Brokeback Jessie we shall call him now.. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 7:00pm Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 7:00pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Cool! Now we'll need 4 or 5 8-balls with Vinnie coming and all. - Fri, 14 Apr 2006 7:46pm Edited: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 7:47pm | ||
| Platoon User Info... | """"""""I'm really sick of all the "hahaha" that follows from certain people on here everytime rape or violence is given any weight. And re the "not meant to be serious, not a serious project at all" summation thats come up in past when representing a project about brutally murdered LOCAL women.. I still can't say how infuriating that one was. Not everyone in that crowd is so irresponsible about the topics, not even your little crushes - I mean heroes. Not that I'm defending what they do but from what I can tell about the guys I've met/know who're actually in Crackwhore or Abuse, they'd probably not treat the issues so flippantly as that either. Or refer to what they write about as "not serious" and "just a joke". Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt that they actually value all their little (metal's fun!!!) fans out there who just don't get it. They probably do have more respect for the guys who are totally against what they do, but at least share the common ground that these issues ARE serious and worth some thought and intelligent discussion."""""""" Sati, Willy writes music for people just like you. He hopes you enjoy it like the first time you heard it on the radio. - Sat, 15 Apr 2006 2:53pm Edited: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 2:54pm | ||
| Crapper User Info... | everyone in this city is a fucking loser. - Thu, 4 May 2006 2:37pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | so that must make you the king of losers - Sat, 13 May 2006 9:55am | ||
| jeff User Info... | lolz - Mon, 25 Sep 2006 5:22pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | FYI- 'PC' = 'Protected Custody' - Mon, 25 Sep 2006 5:39pm | ||
| Mace User Info... | Say it anyone of you fuckerz (to me). And yer dead. - Mon, 25 Sep 2006 5:40pm | ||
| jeff User Info... | your PC - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 6:49pm | ||
| Suffuckation User Info... | I can't believe I just read this whole thing begining to end. A great way to kil a half hour. - Tue, 26 Sep 2006 9:31pm | ||
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