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Band Practice vs PA
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| brumy User Info... | Alright so my band plays in a decently large garage, and we have big amps good drums and bass. We play really loud so we have to wear earplugs. We were using a 75watt mixer with a moniter, and we could barly hear the vocals. I then got a 500watt yorkville powered speaker from L&M, and it is louder but BARLY. I still cant hear the vocals good enough and its about 5-6 times louder. I know that since we play so loud the mics pic up the guitars and drums and what not, and play that through the speaker but when the singer sings its still very quiet. Anyone have any thoughts or anything like that, it would be greatly apprtiated!! Brumy - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 7:25am | ||
| D V S User Info... | turn down your amps and get rid of the ear plugs. get monitors or use you speakers as monitors. practice in a circle so everyone can hear everyone else. - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:23am | ||
| Grain Fed User Info... | It could be that your singer isn't using godd mic techniques as well. Alot of times until singers get alot of experience and know the material well they can also be a bit mic shy. That would also be compounded by the fact that the singer cant hear him/herself. If that's the case then he/she doesn't know how he/she sounds so in unsure parts is more likely to sing quiter or back off the mic. This can be an ongoing problem that should be addressed quickly. Your best bet is to listen to the first response. Turn down a little bit so the singer doesn't have to compete and can gain confidence. Once that happens they'll know the songs solid and won't have to rely on hearing as much cause they'll just feel the song and you can crank it back up. I can't be sure if that's the case for you so don't take any offence to this cause I haven't heard your jams. - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:54pm | ||
| brumy User Info... | yeah our singer knows how to sing into a mic..hes really quite good. The fact that we can turn our amps down...then our drummer cant hear the guitars. he tells us to turn it up because he can barly hear them, although he is behind us..its not by alot.. He sits with his back to the wall and the amps+cab are agents the wall turned half towards him so he can hear. both guitarist use marshall tsl 100's and were cranked...to about half way. We got sm57+58 - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 2:01pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | A small point about the Yorkville NX550's. There is a button on the back where you can switch the "mixer" option on and off. If you are plugging a mic directly into the back, that should be "on". You will get MUCH more volume that way, because you will be able to use the preamp. (turn down the gain first). If that switch is off, you will only get line level (ie a quieter signal) and not much volume. But those fuckers can be loud. Also when you flip the switch you can use the EQ on the back panel. good luck -KC from L&M. - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 2:02pm | ||
| D V S User Info... | marshalls are very directional, you would be better off having the amps across the room facing the drummer and the guitarists stand in front of the amps get the bass player and the singer in the circle, now every body can hear. or mic every thing and get the drummer a monitor. you don't have to practice with your backs to each other, have some eye contact with each other during practice. but you realize that when you hit the stage and have really shitty monitors and a sound man that dosen't now your songs and dosen't care what you can hear or sound like. knowning your shit in-side-out is the only thing that can help you. - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 2:32pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | play metal. Then it doesn't matter what you sound like. - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 2:59pm | ||
| Brumy User Info... | alright thanks alot guys. so using the direct mic in will make it louder. alright great i shall try it tonite. Oh and with the circle thing..we play on one side of a garage..and the power chords cant reach to the other end of the garage..and we cant use the hole thing because a car gets parked there during the night.. so we take up already half the garage haha. Another thing...if i was playing a show with the Yorkville NX550's the audience would hear the vocals..even thou we couldnt..am i right? thanks keep the suggestions comming! - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 4:14pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Ross Bay, it's punk that it doesn't matter what you sound like, geeeeeeeze! - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 5:51pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Oh yeah. Oops.... - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 6:19pm | ||
| K.C. from L&M User Info... | If you are using a mixer into the speaker, my previous advise is null and void. -k. - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 6:39pm | ||
| Pierce User Info... | "agents" best spelling error of 2005. A-G-A-I-N-S-T - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 7:09pm | ||
| wanless User Info... | since you have a powered speaker you can plug that mic of yours straight into the speaker. Should work out well. Oh and the turn your amps down, turn the gain down, and the reverb. My band used to have the same problem, we just cranked and played, yeah rock n roll. But we stripped our tones quite a bit, but you can make up with that with a little bass tone and it will sound fuller with more energy. Oh and then you'll be able to hear the screw ups, thats what practise is for. Cheers - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 7:39pm | ||
| wanless User Info... | Oh, i forgot to mention, your singer will be heard aswell and less unwanted sound will go through the pa - Tue, 6 Dec 2005 7:48pm | ||
| Brumy User Info... | alright i did the circle sorta thing. more or less haha but its working better. I found that direct mic in wasnt as loud unless i cranked the bass..and it made it sound like ass haha..so mixer it is - Wed, 7 Dec 2005 5:25pm | ||
| nicola User Info... | I've had similar discussions with sound guys and gear salesmen over the years. There are tons of singers out there that complain that they can't hear themselves on stage. In a venue that holds 150 people - you don't need the 4X12 cabs- it's overkill. There aren't any venues (except maybe Diegos) in Victoria where something that big is necessary. It just looks cool. When playing live both my lead player and I play 40-50 watt tube amps (fender Deluxe and traynor YCV40) I barely crank it up past 2 for live shows. The lower the "stage" volume, the easier the sound is to control. When playing live, a sound guy can always add guitar into your monitor... but he can't take it away if it's too much. My advice would be to turn EVERYTHING DOWN... including the drums (yes it can be done)... sure, I've played with loud drummers, but they can learn to not pound so hard during practice. Then just bring the guitars up to match the volume of the drums. you should have no problem hearing the vocals with the right mic technique. Especially with the gear you have. but it's just my two cents. I agree with wanless that when everything is turned down, you can hear what parts you need to work on. - Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:41pm | ||
| Trican User Info... | diegos sucks - Thu, 8 Dec 2005 1:50am | ||
| Brumy User Info... | haha...turn the drummer down..i really wish it worked that way ha but thanks anyways:) - Thu, 8 Dec 2005 7:15am | ||
| Viral Product User Info... | HEY PEIRCE, spell this spellingBEEgeek {mjudrfert} go back to school fag!!!!!!!!! - Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:43am | ||
| Brandon User Info... | the only way to really get a drummer to turn down is to piss all over his kit while he's playing. - Sun, 11 Dec 2005 2:28pm | ||
| ender User Info... | so you have two 100 watt marshalls and whatever your bass player is pumping out and you wonder why you can't hear the 75 watt PA?? you can do whatever you want but until you stick your drummer behind plexi with his very own ex cabinets from the marshalls and bass propped up by his ears, 75 watts just won't get the job done. good luck!! - Mon, 12 Dec 2005 6:16pm | ||
| wanless User Info... | Yeah, thats an intelligent post ^^^^^. My band had a 100 watt analog marshall and a 100 watt dsl and only a 40 fender guitar amp to sing through for a while as well as a 100 watt bass amp and my drums as well. But a good drummer should be able to control the volume of his playing. And the less gain on the guitar the better, also bass frequencies on the guitars make a huge difference. Experiment with all types of tones between the 3 guitars and try to make one good crushing tone instead of 3 individually crushing tones. Make a tone for the band not the player. If you can understand that. - Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:30am | ||
| brumy User Info... | alright so it WAS 75 watts...and we could hear no well...so i baught a 500watt powered speaker..and its louder but since the mics piced up the guitars the vocals wernt much louder so we changed our setting up and now we can hear it just fine! - Tue, 13 Dec 2005 7:27am | ||
| ender User Info... | vocals through a 40 watt fender guitar amp?? toys R us didn't have any PA's?? no counterpoint required here!! - Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:27pm | ||
| wanless User Info... | Do you even play in a band there big guy. You seem to talk a lot, but you don't even know anything - Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:28pm | ||
| Brumy User Info... | i am and i do know alot i just like asking questions and getting other peoples oppinions, because there are tons of people on here that know 1000times more than i do - Thu, 15 Dec 2005 7:02am | ||
| wanless User Info... | Sorry there brumy, i was directing that to anonymous. And questions are fine, good for learning - Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:52pm | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | WHAT?..........TURN DOWN THE WHAT...........I CAN'T HEAR THE...............WHAT? .........WAIT MAYBE IF I TURN THIS ONE UP........WHAT????? - Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:03pm | ||
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