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sublime and ripping stuff off
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| denver User Info... | sublime rips stuff off in a variety of waysi've always wondered what rights are needed when you use other peoples stuff, what do they give bob marley and the grateful dead when they take full songs from them? and at the end of dj's, i think they rip off a bass line and lyrics from the specials? i've always heard that lyrics you have to give royalties back or something, is it the same with the music? like just basslines, and also, for what i got, it's the same melody as lady madonna, do they have to give credit for something like that? thanks, i know this doesen't really matter i've just always wondered - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 4:17pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | they don't do anything now due to death. - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 4:27pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | ahhh yes... the problem that afflicts many a great band. Very difficult to overcome. So I hear. - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 4:57pm | ||
| The Cause User Info... | a ruling earlier this year decided all sampling even if not recognizable must pay royalties, this more affects rap producers, i think if you recreate the sound your self theres a lot more lee way (i know thats spelt wrong) but think of jets "are you gonna be my girl" the most used bassline in the history of time haha - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 6:48pm | ||
| Brett User Info... | That's kinda funny that you mentioned sublime ripping off a specials bass line because almost every specials song is a cover. - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:13pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Just be happy that people are rippin-off you're stuff! If you play something cool enough, encourage everyone you know, and even those you don't, to asssist in rippin' it off. Shit; As long as you don't complain when someone yells on-stange "Hey, I wrote that piece!" If you CAN play it, or make a funky riddim out of it, then by all means do so! In a live setting, song-writers are fools to be concerned with being covered. My God, it's the best high EVER! Even were I Uber-Rich, I pray someone punches me if I demand royalties from a cool riff or melodic verse; It belongs to everyone! Anyone who gets rich playing good music isn't trying hard enough! - Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:59pm | ||
| Kris North User Info... | Bradley Nowell admitted in many interviews that he is really heavily influenced and tributing his favorite artists was just as important to him as his own music. A large part of the "40 oz. to Freedom" album is covers or tributes, sometimes bradley lays down a rhyme from a rapper he admires or maybe just sing a line from a toots and the maytals song out of nowhere. But its hard to not see how incredibly talented sublime was, cause they just poured their souls into their music, and I think that them tributing these other bands they admired actually shows that they are better musicians, because they can love other music instead of just their own. I think "40 oz to freedom" is one of the best albums of the 90s, and no I'm not a ska kid. - Sat, 18 Dec 2004 2:03am | ||
| denver User Info... | you wanna die brett, yeah i agree it's totally cool playing other's stuff, and kris man for sure sublime is one of my favorite bands and although they sample a lot bradley is still one of the most amazing musicians ever in my opinion - Sat, 18 Dec 2004 3:36pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | It's not sampling if you are playing it yourself. I'm sure that the samples that were used were legal since sampling laws were created back in 1990. - Sat, 18 Dec 2004 4:16pm | ||
| f... User Info... | man, you guys are just reassuring me in my decision that sublime is the LAMEST band that has ever lived. which didn't stop any of us in grade 9, but hoo-wah, i've seen the error of my ways. have i ever... - Sun, 19 Dec 2004 1:09pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | MASH'ers have the same problem getting there stuff pressed onto CD, the machine recognises the music as not there's and refuses to press it. I guess it was different with Jay-Z/Linkin' Park cause it's there music, so there not ripping off anyone. I guess you can treat it like blues musicians/Led Zeppelin did, there doing it in tribute to the artists. - Sun, 19 Dec 2004 1:10pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | listening to Sublime in grade 9? You're a little wet behind the ears to be deciding what the "lamest band that ever lived" is, aren't ya? - Sun, 19 Dec 2004 3:20pm | ||
| f... User Info... | i don't actually know what "wet behind the ears" means. please explain. is that too old to be listening to them? everyone around me seemed to love them at that point, and that point only. i still think they're pretty lame. - Sun, 19 Dec 2004 6:40pm | ||
| wiseguy User Info... | "Wet behind the ears" = young - Sun, 19 Dec 2004 7:06pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | I like sublime's second incarnation as the Long Beach Dub All-Stars. Fuckin righteous - Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:13pm | ||
| Isolation Ride User Info... | S.O.C.A.N usually keeps their eyes out for stuff like this and A.S.C.A.P.Sometimes riffs are created without even knowingly burning another band.If you knowingly rip someone for a riff well then Karma can be a mother fucker.I think after around 5 seconds of sounding too much like another song or riff they step in and say you are infringing.I think thats why in respect you should ask to take a sample from others shit unless you don,t care, and just folllow the law till the 5 seconds.Great question.I,m not sure if I,m totally right but I,ll check in on it. - Mon, 20 Dec 2004 1:21pm | ||
| Illone User Info... | You can't copyright a melody. Sampleing is different - Mon, 20 Dec 2004 4:14pm | ||
| Brand X Media User Info... | First off - Long Beach Dub All-Stars are pretty damn good. Secondly - how can you define sampling? is it technological? I doubt it. Robert Johnson took riffs from Son House, Mississippi Sheiks tooks hooks from Blind Willie McTell, and numerous people have taken bits and peices of Parliment and/or Grandmaster Flash and used them with taste and imagination. I'll be the first to admit to being tired of hearing too much sublime to fast. It was in every car stereo and every radio station for about three years straight! - But I'll admit that they were good at what they did and at least the songs and melodies that they'd used were borrowed from the greats (i.e. Miles Davis Summertime) but before you go after Sublime - shouldn't you bitch about Moby? He is by far the All Time musical necrophile. - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 4:35am | ||
| Wise Guy User Info... | *You can't copyright a melody* I hate to burst IIIone's bubble, but oh yes you can! - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:34am | ||
| Brand X Media User Info... | *You can't copyright a melody* If Harley Davidson can copyright the sound their engines make and Mr. T can get royalties every time someone says "I Pity the Fool" I think melodies would be pretty easy to copyright. - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:55am | ||
| matt c User Info... | Melodies definetly fall under copyright. Not chord changes, though; imagine getting the rights to B-flat major. High school band teachers would be bankrolling your family for generations. Bitchin'! Good artists borrow, great artists steal. LBDAS are awesome, yes! - Tue, 21 Dec 2004 2:27pm | ||
| Illone User Info... | You're right. Melody is the only part of a song you can copyright. I was thinking Harmony.In copyright infringement suits a judge will look at all three parts of a song:chords, lyrics, and melody.Lyrics aren't that important and chord progressions can make up many different songs, so a judge looks at the melody to determine plagerism.Sampleing is when you actually take someone elses recorded works and put it on your record. There's a whole different set of laws for this. I know, I'm a hip hop producer.Also, Harley tried and failed to have their engine sound registered as a trademark running from 1994-2000, they gave up because it would take at least 3 more years for an appeal. thanks for taking the time from signing your major label deal to burst my bubble. - Wed, 5 Jan 2005 7:46pm | ||
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