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does anyone know how to SoundProof a room??
| Message Board > Music Chitchat - Heavy > does anyone know how to SoundProof a room?? |
| col User Info... | i want to soundproof a spare room in my house,,, what is the best way to do so - Mon, 12 Apr 2004 8:08pm | ||
| [+} User Info... | get insulation/soundproofing material? what kind of question is that...? if you're asking about the cheapest way to sound proof a room or the fastest way to do so... then i could see a point to this topic. - Mon, 12 Apr 2004 8:26pm | ||
| GOD User Info... | Hey Mr. "[+}"....why are you giving the guy such a hard time? He asked a legitimate question. AMEN - Mon, 12 Apr 2004 9:13pm | ||
| ginafi User Info... | Hey, I soundproffed my garage pretty well and a couple things to look into is using Dona Cona (not sure how you spell it) on the walls. Another good thing is Rez Bar. Those two things are pretty inexpensive compared to some of the other options. For my garage I had to frame over all the windows, put in a second door and I used two layers of insulation and then covered the walls and ceiling in dona cona and then put on the rez bar on the walls which the drywall was attached. That was in a room that was unfinished and had nothing on the wall, I am not sure what your situation is but if you have any more question e-mail me at [email protected] and I might be able to help you out. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 8:10am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | You need to understand a few fundamentals about sound waves/sound transfer. Mass blocks sound. - stuff like drywall, wood, brick, cement, anything high in mass will block sound which is the most ideal situation. Other materials absorb sound. - stuff like matresses, insulation, foam, carpet etc only absorb sound. They do NOT block it. This means sound will still pass freely, but the higher frequencies are absorbed (which is why the bass and kick drum always get out, not enough mass to block them). Contact transfers sound. - You can build the best soundproofed room in the world, but if your room framing touches the rest of the house, the sound will transfer like there was nothing blocking it all. Solution? Make sure your soundrpoofing isn't touching the room it's in (especially the high mass items like framing and walls). Use rubber separators, or foam etc between all points of contact to prevent sound transfer. Air gaps let all the sound out. - say you perfectly soundproof an entire room but have a small opening for cables or power. If you do this, all of the sound will escape and get outside the room. You need to make sure there are NO AIR gaps to allow the sound to escape. Ideal setup: - a room inside a room, with heavy layers of drywall built on a double wall (where the studs on each side of the wall aren't touching both sides of the drywall). - All walls float on something like foam or rubber and are insulated (usually a good 6" double sided wall) - No air gaps anywhere. - Use a floating floor (basically the entire room should be a floating box that isn't touching any part of the room it is built in). With a setup like that, you could jam near full volume in an apartment building... The typical setup: - carpet and matresses on the walls... Pretty useless really but stops some high end frequencies from getting out. Just make sure the door is shut... - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 9:23am | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | Matresses and egg cartons my friend. Pretty much anything that makes a conic shape, but make sure the cone is pointing at you to keep the sound in. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 9:30am | ||
| Jl User Info... | god... i think {+} has a point... because its quite a redundant question. I am sure the original post'r is aware of it too. Because the only way to get answers is to question! and god, you of all people should know that; being god and all - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 9:31am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | you can get scrap dry suit rubber from repairs at some of the Dive Shops.. Use it between bottom plate and floor, top plate and ceiling, basically anywhere framing touches more wood, or in door jams. For the best results allow no two walls to be perpinducular. There's a reason why pro studiuos have off angled walls, slanted ceilings and floating floors,, Even to have some slats or boxes attatched to the walls helps to deflect sound in a better way then back and forth ( which causes all kinds of weird issues ) - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 9:53am | ||
| Hey Joe User Info... | "Plus [+] sign dude" dont be such a fucking asshole you bitch ass prick. Unless your gonna answer the question...thne fuck off motherfucker. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:17am | ||
| Mike User Info... | arbol and burlap is simple, cheap, and works better than carpet and mattresses - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:53am | ||
| Borat User Info... | BBJones is right The only way to soundproof so as not to disturb people is by mass. The egg cartons and burlap etc simply deaden the room to the person using it. Usually it kills fequencies you want and has very little effect for soundproofing. Fine if your making a vocal booth or something. The first thing to do is deal with the air movement. Make sure a good tight seal is installed on the door and that all bassboard molding is removed so that accoustic caulking can be applied. Cheap gross black stuff that will fill in the cracks. Installing a solid door is a must too. The low frequencies are the hardest to control and usually what get the most complaints. The only way to stop them is by mass and lots of it. Basements always make the best location since there is a solid floor and concrete walls to work with. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:58am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Air pockets between double walls, and or carpeting or whatver you use on the walls, is good too.. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:54am | ||
| col User Info... | thanks for your replys,,, and as for "+" ,, you can obviously now see that their is not one way to soundproof a room,, so that guy must be hella ignorant.......what an asshole. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 2:25pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | Where I got some of my info... there are many more sites to learn about sound waves and how to contain them, but this is a good site to start with: http://www.soundproofing101.com/ - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 3:35pm | ||
| [+} User Info... | thank you col.. i can truly see the error of my ways. do you normally do this for attention? yes.. i'm "hella ignorant". - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 4:13pm | ||
| Mordock.the.Benzite User Info... | We dumpstered some shitty carpet and tacked it up......it doesn't really work all that well (even layered) but it definately adds a certain skidly charm to our basement. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 4:54pm | ||
| geeksupreme User Info... | like any room in your house needed any more "skidly charm" ..as you call it.... - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 5:44pm | ||
| Kickback User Info... | http://www.acoustics101.com - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 7:16pm | ||
| rotten User Info... | get some stinkey mattreses and carpet then hang em on the wall - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 7:24pm | ||
| Hey Joe User Info... | you are all fuckin assholes. Everyone fo you cock suckers. - Tue, 13 Apr 2004 8:04pm | ||
| Demen Ted User Info... | This is turning into a hate-fest. That is no. - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 8:41am | ||
| GOD User Info... | My children, I saith unto you, love one another! AMEN - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 9:01am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | We dumpster carpeted every jampspot we ever built.. Except the one we're in which Bent Sound built from the plaid carpet that got salvaged form the Hollyrood House and used to grace one of the punk rock rooms at the old Meatlocker jamspots. Its fucking ironic since we turned down the ugly tartan/plaid look years ago and now we have it all over our walls (we originally took the acid-head paisly Hollyrood carpet) Best carpet dumpster in town is the truck behind O'Hourigans Carpet at Harriet (Blenkinsop?) and Tennyson. We've soundproofed something like 6 jamspots from that place. Go there at night, you might have to dig though. But they dont care if you lighten their load. Also built a cat condo from their carpet once. - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 9:15am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I got quite a few egg cartons and other such shit for free if anyone wants it. Leftovers from building our spot. - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 9:36am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | OK while we're on the subject, here's a few questions. (1) Is it better to build a floor a half inch off the ground, padding with insulation (mattress guts is cheaper) inbetween the floor/new floor or keep the concrete floor as is? (2) Same goes with padding walls, or does shag/used carpet work better? (Half/full inch gap inbetween the walls also insulated/guts) (3) Using acoustic tile for the ceiling rather then egg cartons?!? (4) Also, is it worth using silicon sealer to seal the gap between the floor/wall and ceiling/wall?!? Dunno if I've made myself clear with these questions, I've seen a few setups, I do realize you can't dampen 100% of the low end, tho'. - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:43am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | The physics of sound propagation make the answer to this question complex as hell. It is required to know the size and height of the room and all construction materials which make it up. How much sound do you expect to absorb from inside to out (or outside in perhaps?). Only by having some idea of how effective one expects it to be can a goal be reached. Sound is absorbed differently at different frequencies: What kind of instruments will be used? How close are your nearest neighbours? The different surfaces and construction materials usually demand different levels of treatment. Low bass frequencies are very difficult to deal with as they often have waveforms which are larger than the room itself, and you can't trap a half-cycle. Is the sound-proofing to keep the noise from being too loud outside, or do you simply want the room to have good acoustics inside? (Often these two goals will actually interfere with each other.) Comprimise is the name of the game. Very thick, very dense walls with ALL holes sealed in silicon will begin to stop certain noises from crossing. If you were to build a room within a room, the new walls should be as far away as possible from the existing ones. (Air spaces between physical barriers allow a certain increased dissipation to occur) Any break in the seams of walls or small holes, will completely destroy the absorption properties. Absolutely every crevice must be filled. The two websites mentioned above are a pretty damn good resource to help answer the questions as well as get some idea of the solution. I thought there would have been more 'egg cartons' posts. Don't even bother; They do next to nothing. I paid an acoustic engineer a few hundred bucks to look at a space I wanted to convert. His feedback was good, but even he was not able to able to specify all gotchas I might face. Haven't begun the task yet due to lack of resources. To do a proper job at my site, I'd probably be looking at about $10K. My expectations were that I would get approx 20dB loss of sound passing the walls and part of my plan was to make sure the inside of the room sounded good, which would be a whole project in itself. Since I live here, the last freakin thing I want is a bunch of urine soaked matresses on my walls. Not much of an answer, I know, but dig into the website as much as you can. Plan it out in the computer or on paper. If it is a totally temporary jam-spot or you don't own the space then forget about what i've said. In that case cram it as full as you can stand with carpet and matresses. - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 1:09pm | ||
| crow User Info... | Here's what i did.I live in a duplex(rental).I started by surrounding my space with old mattresses.Then i framed another set of walls inside.Only a few points of contact, everything screwed so i can dismantle easily enough. Then i insulated those walls,then donna conna board,then res bar then 5/8 fireboard(drywall).And then the dumpster carpet.I lost a lot of room with the build up but the sound is ok.I still lose some sound but the wife and kids can sit upstairs watching tv no prob. Oh yeah 90 degree corners are your enemy so i built 45 degree bass traps for every 90 degree corner. I am a journeyman carpenter so if you need a hand or some free advice drop me a line. - Wed, 14 Apr 2004 3:37pm | ||
| willem User Info... | Create dead air space , evan double or triple sections within a wall, use styrafoam or corrugated studio foam, egg-cartons sprayed with spray insulation, or any other dense sound absorbing material. Hows my garrammerr. - Mon, 10 May 2004 5:32pm | ||
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