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should I get vintage 64 bandmaster or a jcm 800??
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| colin User Info... | I am playing alt rock but I also love to play blues-- can someone please tell me if I should go with the vintage fender or a 80's marshall-- i also play some harder stuff like nirvana - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 5:30pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | I'm all Fender, but if yo're into Marshall, you're into Marshall..... Play a few, see what you like..... I fucking LOVE my Fender DeVille.... - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 5:42pm | ||
| Colin Sick User Info... | go with the marshall!!!! Eric Clapton used them and so did Kurt !!!!!! - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 6:11pm | ||
| ticklefish User Info... | +1 for Fender - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 6:31pm | ||
| wee User Info... | fender is the sole option. they are way more versatile and warm. marshalls are far too one dimensional. - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 6:39pm | ||
| Dano User Info... | Blues=Fender Nirvana=Stomp Box :-) Seriously, list a guitar influence or two. What type of tone are you looking for? Losta guitarists in town, should get plenty of feedback on this board. Gotta agree that the JCM is going to be pretty much a one-trick-pony... - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 7:02pm | ||
| Ike User Info... | If you're going to spend that kind of money forget about Marshall and Fender. Get a THD Univalve, a collection of tubes and a good cabinet (THD makes a wicked cabinet too) - seriously. I don't have one (yet) but I played one at Not Just Another Music Shop in Van. and the thing was fucking unreal. Don't like what you hear? Stop playing, put on your oven mitts and change the tubes. - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 7:12pm | ||
| colin User Info... | well i want something that can be clean loud, but but i wanna play hendrix blues but also play zeppelin - but also nirvana and shit thats harder - harder rock dude thats why im so confused in what to buy i figure with a vintage fender i could always get a pedal for the harder stuff eh?? but with a marshall i cant get all the tight clean stuff - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 8:02pm | ||
| Dano User Info... | {{dude thats why im so confused in what to buy i figure with a vintage fender i could always get a pedal for the harder stuff eh?? }} Bang on! Versitility is key. Having a solid fundemental sound to build on is really important, but having some flexibility goes a long way. With the influences you've mentioned, the Marshall stuff you'd want is primarily late 60's stuff..early 70's not a JCM. Soooo...go for the Fender and find yourself some great bang boxes for added dimension. (or the THD if you have wads of dough) - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 8:39pm | ||
| cooper User Info... | Are you referring to the Bandmaster they have at L&M? I saw that and was very impressed! It's just like mine, only slightly older. Plus, you'll be able to impress all the amp gurus by saying that you have a blackface Fender. OOoooooooh! - Tue, 9 Mar 2004 9:05pm | ||
| Colin Sick User Info... | Here is what I have owned in the last 2 years '66 Fender Bandmaster (marshall cab) '76 marshall jmp master volume (marshall cab) Peavey 5150 head (marshall cab) 91 reissue '59 bassman '73 Ampeg V4 with matching cab (altec speakers) Currently I am using the V4 and the Bassman. I am a fender man in most situations these days but lets be honest, the Marshall and the Fender are both one trick ponies. The Bandmaster did me well for years, it was good clean amp, and my friend Paul now owns it, but both of us use tonnes of effects through it, hidding the sound. You mention wanting a blues sound and a rock sound, I would go with the 800. From Hendrix to Stevie to Clapton to Kurt to Wylde to kerry king, it is more versatile. I love the fender but it would never keep up in tighter hard rock situations, and you can always lower the gain for a blues sound. - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 6:04am | ||
| mi.coll. User Info... | come on guys- this is a jcm 800 we're talking about. that amp fucking rules. - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 7:40am | ||
| Dano User Info... | Not slaggin the JCM. No denying that they are a STRONG choice Perhaps a more important question though... What kind of axe do you play? What type of pickups? This is a pretty big factor in completeing that tone... - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 7:59am | ||
| Ike User Info... | Here is what you want: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3708744000&category=10171 I love the tone of some of the Blackface Amps and the Older JCM's, but technology and innovative thinking has passed them by. I have yet to find a worthy Digital Modelling solution, but the THD Univalve and BiValve approach allows you to match almost any combination of tubes in a Class A amplifier. Mix and match - pick your tone. They now have another AB class Amp that has three channels. In my mind, there is nothing out there that even comes close to touching these things. You want a nice vintage tone that, as Colin Sick said, is a one trick pony then go for vintage stuff. If you want a variety of tones, do some research. - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 8:46am | ||
| cooper User Info... | If you're looking for a clean sound, then the 80's JCM800 probably won't do the trick 'cause it's only one channel. You could look into the new 800s that have 2 channels, but I don't know much about them. To narrow down your selection, you should take into consideration: -are you playing live shows? -would you use an overdrive stompbox to get your dirty sound? -how important is having a clean channel? -how much are you looking to spend? I had to ask myself these questions when I upgraded from my Fender solid-state 12" combo. I started playing with a band and the combo just didn't cut it anymore in terms of volume and power. I had already accumulated an assortment of effects to use as my main distortions, so I didn't have the need for amp distortion. And I really wanted a superb clean amp, but wasn't willing to pay a lot of money for it. Lucky for me, Colin was selling his, and paired up with a custom 3x12" cab, I'm set. I don't know your playing situation, but if you're just playing at home or in your bedroom, neither the Bandmaster or the JCM800 would be very beneficial to you because they're both frickin loud and don't have headphone inputs. Plus, the JCM is considerably more expensive, especially if you're looking to pair it with a Marshall cab. Give us some more info and we'll try to help you narrow down your selection. You might also want to check out the chats at http://www.guitargeek.com. They can be helpful sometimes. - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 9:01am | ||
| Kickback User Info... | If you need it to be very clean at loud volumes then a solid state amp is the way to go. Tubes just dont do that in most cases. But with that said i own 2 JCM 800's (a 2204 and 2210) and they rule. I've played hundreds of different amps and i wouldnt even consider trading my 2204 for anything. The only reason i want to trade my 2210 is because i like the one channel 2203's and 2204's a little better. I always play live through the high input and since i dont have a clean channel i have to roll down my volume knob on my guitar, but it doesnt really clean up enough. It's still a bit saturated. The low inputs on my 800 sound awesome. Very clean sounding at moderate volumes. I guess it could be called a one trick pony only if you played with the preamp on 10 all the time. Sure it sounds like a Marshall, but atleast 1 and 10 on the pre-amp sound different unlike alot of newer Marshalls. If you take the time to fiddle for a bit you can get some great rock tones out of it. It's very reponsive to picking also. It's definately not an amp that'll cover up bad techinique. I'd say get an 800, or atleast rent one for a month. They may not be for everyone. You either hate them or swear by them. - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:19am | ||
| colin User Info... | Im playing a '02 american double fat strat with seymour duncan pickups. - i want to be able to play live shows in the near future - my band is kinda like zeppelin meets nirvana grunge. but with lots of lead and solos. yet clean verse's - so pretty much i want to be able to play like a clean verse with like a flanger on but also be able to kick out some hard chorus's if i need too, and a solid lead I want to be able to use this amp in my bedroom too. but also want to gig with it. - If i get a vintage fender will a marshall 4-12 jeperdize any sound quality?? - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:55pm | ||
| cooper User Info... | Hopefully Colin Sick will reply to this because he could probably recommend a good amp now that we have some more info. You're probably going to want a two channel Marshall, either head or combo, such as the JCM800 2205, JCM900, or JCM2000 DSL50. You won't get a pristine clean channel from any of these, but it'll do the job for the music you have described. There's a JCM900 for sale in the Gear Buy & Sell section of this board. As far as head vs. combo is concerned, if you're not playing in a band/shows yet, there's no need for a head with a 4x12". I think a 2x12" combo would do just fine for now, and when you do start playing live, your amp will be mic'd at most shows. Other options: stick a stombox (Rat, Big Muff, DS-1, etc.) in front of a Hot Rod Deville, Traynor, or Peavey Classic. It also depends how much money you want to spend. I suppose the ultimate would be the Bandmaster AND the JCM800 and just A/B them! I await Colin Sick's response :) - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 3:01pm | ||
| colin User Info... | I have like 900 bucks but I also have to buy a cab with that money -- i can get the marshall 4-12 for 250 but your saying i should just get a 2-12? - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 3:51pm | ||
| Colin Sick User Info... | as long as you get a closed back cabinet I think you will be fine with either 2x12 or 4x12. My first amp was a randall rackmountable head with a 4x12 1960a cab, and I lived in a townhouse !!!!! buy whatever sounds good to you. As I said earlier I love fender amps but I still think a marshall would be a better choice in the long run, maybe even a valvstate head. I went and saw the smashing pumpkins on their final tour and Billycorgan was using two of them. The reason I use what I use is cause I really dont want a tight lead sound, but more of a flabby fuzz tone. But the second I start playing metal again I will use a marshall or boogie - Wed, 10 Mar 2004 4:26pm | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | Fender. Marshalls always make me work to hard to find a sweet sound. (I hope other musicians are lazy too, otherwise I'm comprimised now) - Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:40am | ||
| Sound Production that wont break your bank User Info... | vintage vox super twin reverb - Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:09am | ||
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