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The Exploited
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| Lurker User Info... | Who's gonna be at the Cobalt tomorrow night? Should be a good time. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 6:47pm | ||
| Mac User Info... | Coming from Scotland and having been around at the time of "Punk" I can tell you quite sincerely that "The Exploited" were more or less tolerated as a Joke.Sorry to deflate your ideal but that's the fuckin' truth. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 8:40pm | ||
| MonkeyWithNoBones User Info... | Amen. There have never been such a highly regarded group of total ass clowns since the formation of Wings. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 9:25pm | ||
| 'Tit Carl User Info... | But Mac - aren't you the guy who thinks Cockburn and Valdy are the same talent level. Destroys all credibility. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:08pm | ||
| Mac User Info... | Look tit head,I was there, you weren't.Now fuck off. - Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:12pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | You were there. We were not. No ideals have been deflated. Just because you don't like 'em.... doesn't mean fuck all to people that do. - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:53am | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Look tit head,I was there, you werent, now fuck off........ speaking of ass clowns, exhibit A. - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 9:12am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | I agree with Mac; at their best they were bad. Twenty odd years later... - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:47pm | ||
| BOHDAN User Info... | fuck spread the word they suck , i hate waiting in line for beer - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 2:47pm | ||
| jen User Info... | who gives a shit what you think of them. this person was simply asking who was going. - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 2:55pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Actually if you had listened to the last few albums they are actually a pretty good band now. But thats o.k. I understand, if they sucked twenty years ago when you heard them theres absolutely no way they could of improved over the years. - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 6:32pm | ||
| Mac User Info... | I don't know, maybe you're a seventeen year old male?,but there's an age old Scottish expression which goes like this. "Don't try and teach your Granny to suck eggs" - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:19pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | actually I'm 33 and I bought my first punk rock album in 82 which by my count is 21 years ago. Now I do agree that some of the early Exploited stuff sucked, and Waddie is a total tool. You cant judge a bands music on what they played twenty years ago, I know it's hard to accept change once you get really old and set in your ways............... - Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:41pm | ||
| BOHDAN User Info... | the only thing that sucked about the show was the fact total chaos didn't make it - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 5:00pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Exploited coming to Vancouver? Wish I had known. Hey don't hack that band down, it might of been a joke where you came from, but that was a very cool band when I was first exposed, they were fast, and PUNK! "Punks Not Dead" rang so true when punk died the first time, and Balmy Army is an awesome tune. Then again, I can also rave about bands like Charged GBH but I won't. Peace... - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 6:25pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | heh heh, you said "Balmy Army". Is is hot in here? The show was a lot of fun. You have to take it with a grain of salt. They played all the old classics and did them well. I swear that Wattie can't speak english though. There was no understanding what the hell he was saying between songs. - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:20pm | ||
| Mac User Info... | I'm getting old.I need to make some money.I know! let's got to North America where they never had a clue about "Punk" in the first place and cream their dough because hey! I was in a Punk(sic)group in Britain in 1980?! and,oh yeah, did I mention Shirley Manson? - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:08pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | While we're at it let's not just make it a run for cash, let's actually keep releasing albums that are worth listening to, and continue to blow away most of the "punk" bands that are out there today. If we're gonna go that, we may as well inspire legions of new punk bands to form and ensure that punk really isn't dead (punk rock - not necessarily the original attitude). Wattie's between song banter included "Cheers" and "Fucking cunt" with a couple other things thrown in. Definitely some gibberish. I particularly liked the "Can't you fucking read, you cunt?" to the sound guy when they were trying to get one of the mics working. - Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:24pm | ||
| joshy atomic User Info... | God fucking damn every self righteous "I was there" attitude. There were some great points about the show and some not so great ones. I don't like the new exploited, I don't think they've put anything good out post 86. Their new material came across well live, I sure wouldn't buy any of it. They played some great old stuff too. I was there to see Dead Cities and for some reason it was SOOOO slow. Fuckin assholes. love joshy Old punk should die before they turn into fuckheads. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:27am | ||
| The Mad Subwoofer User Info... | Jesus...yer all a testy bunch. Much of that Brit-pounk scene left me cold as well but so what? Any band that can still look each other in the face every morning and produce _something_ after twenty odd years is comendable at the least. GBH, UK subs...The Exploited; not much of it seemed very relevant, at least in comparison to the groups who actually had something to say..like CRASS. THAT was a punk band. Or something... - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:51am | ||
| joshy atomic User Info... | TOO PUT THIS "WHAT IS PUNK ROCK? WHAT ISN'T?" to rest.... Enter Joshy Atomic. What a bunch of fucking bullshit these people are talking about. Listen to the master, Alot of those bands such as GBH, Exploited have ONE member left. The singer. Sometimes that singer is the worst part of that band. not necessarily with GBH and The Exploited but you understand. GBH and the Exploited did have something to say, Both bands were great pioneers of a harder punk rock sound. Punk rock is singing about what's around you. It's not leftist politics it's not rightist politics, it's not hate, it's not love, it's honesty. In the early days Punk rock was a way for people that had no chance of making anything of themselves to be able to do it. Whether they wanted to or not it was upto them. They still had relevance. Read the lyrics to some mid ear Exploited tunes, such as Horror Epics or Death Before Dishonoe. They did have things to say, At least Wattie has his life the way he wants it. He plays punk rock, does alot of speed and travels the world. He's still politically aware and still sings about it. Punk rock is not necessarily having something to say. Look at bands such as Spizz Energi, GG Allin, Boomtown Rats, Much of the time it's just reflection. So fuck you. Crass never accomplished anything cause they're underachieving hippie bastards. I don't mind em, just don't have any respect. love joshy *expects a backlash* - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:30pm | ||
| S.V. User Info... | I think that show would have been hilarious!! Sorry I missed it. The Exploited have never done much for me, but I agree with Subwoofer...any band that can hack it for 20+ years without killing each other must be doing something right. Though who knows how many are original members. Frankly I think it's amazing that Wattie is still alive and kicking, as he's quite the controversial fuck. Maybe they'll be like the Stones and continue to tour long after they're mumified. Seniors chanting "Punk's not Dead"! ;) ;) ;) - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:47pm | ||
| jen User Info... | "Look at bands such as Spizz Energi, GG Allin, Boomtown Rats, Much of the time it's just reflection. So fuck you." well said Joshy. you left yer whisky at my house. consider it rent. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 1:36pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Sorry kids but I got off the bus years ago. I loved the SOUND of bands like GBH but not for a minute could I get my head around lyrics like those to "Slut" which is the only one I can call up by memory. Talking about Wattie's "political awareness" on one hand while slagging Crass (a very difficult-to-listen-to but TOTALLY political band with absolutely airtight integrity)just proves that some of you folks don't have a clue what you're talking about. The whole Oi! experience was originally a spin off of the totally racist, drunken, football hooligan type of mentality that still exists in England to this day; fortunately there are fewer bands in that scene. They all seem to be as anti-punk in message as they are punk in sound; only bands like Discharge and Disorder and Rudimentary Peni bucked the trend. I don't see them doing reunion tours 20 years after the fact. Maybe they've moved on to something better and more fulfilling, like world revolution. Wattie sure hasn't. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 1:48pm | ||
| oi_thebanned_oi User Info... | i thought the exploited were great.after the sound problems were worked out they played a great set.it was a lot of fun to see a band ive been listening to(and yes ill admit it...influenced by) for however many years play live. the new material came out really good live i thought.it came out way more raw than the more polished sound of the last two albums.it made me realise the only real difference between fuck society and troops was production quality rather than a "change of style". as far as the other shit yall are talkin about goes;who says punk has to be political all the time?i like a lil politics in my music not a speech set to sound.at least wattie seems honest and believes what hes saying. i cant say that about a lot of political bands(remember discharges glam album?)fuckin eh joshy you nailed it perfectly. beat the bastards ...beat em now...jewstin - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 2:02pm | ||
| The Mad Subwoofer User Info... | Well said Zippy, my point exactly. Not a question of "who's punker than who" but rather whether or notany relevant message is being expressed. Honesty and sincerity are very much THE key for any kind of folk/roots music of which punk rock (for me at least) is most definitely an expression of (working class and all.) Much of what was being said by the "oi" bands was honest for sure, but also inane (for me.) Crass were leftist hippies you are correct, but their message was constructive, not self serving. I think you'd have to ask if encouraging a form of expression such as "hooliganism" truly adds to your experiance as a whole and if so...great. Oh yeah...fuk u 2. Rudimentary Peni were phenomonal....loved that guy. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 3:39pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Heh... I remember The Crass, but oddly enough I was never a huge fan, now an album like The Smiths-Meat is Murder or Husker Du-Metal Circus, now that's different. It was wierd with punk, it died for some unknown reason (had to do with the first scene collapse, strange, when I used to hang with the punks, I was the only punk who looked normal) then suddenly punk came back, it never really died, just noone paid attention to it. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 6:47pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Hmmm, well punk actually started in north america as far as that statement way the hell back there goes. It was in New York for a few years before the english got their hands on it. Thanks to the Ramones and the New York Dolls for touring there. As for Joshys statement about Crass... I hate their music, I always have. But, I will give them credit for definitely standing up for what they believe. As for the oi bands, well at the time they were singing to a different audience. They werent trying to appeal to politically active punks, they were going for the lower middle class, drinking, fighting, ever so short haired guys.While their music may not necessarily seem relevant to you. It probably wasnt meant for you in the first place. It just all sort of blended together after a while, and then you got bands like the Exploited, while they may not be brain surgeons they are entertaining. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 7:27pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | Discharge is playing/or recently played in the US. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 7:39pm | ||
| MWPR User Info... | And for what its worth... Exploited haven't had a stable line up since "Troops of tomorrow," though Wattie does find good musicians to back him up. Same with the UK Subs, with the exception of the reunion shows and the old members flowing in and out of the band. GBH have the same line up they have had since day one except for the drummer: Colin, Ross and Jock. Steve Ignorant from Crass sang with Conflict as a second vocalist for a while but his voice was fucked. Discharge went shite, and are still shite. I've seen all these bands many times, with the exception of Discharge, and they all have been great or sucked on different occasions. The comparisons above are the old apples and oranges problem. Some bands were about having a laugh and some were about really accomplishing something. Look what Conflict managed to do with the animal rights issue. If you want to argue what's punk the written consesus is that Brit punk and American new wave were two very different animals. Those that were in on the start of punk, the Pistols crowd, the Bromley contingent, the Clash, Damned etc. have all stated the punk was over and had lost its meaning as soon as it got got popular and people began to copycat the london scene elsewhere (1977ish); definately by the time the pistols broke up. Maybe Ty or Jay can relate what the New Yawkers say, but it kinda makes the "what is punk" argument redundent, don't you think. BTW I saw the Pistols on Jimmy Kimmell a couple of weeks ago... pretty damn good for a bunch of fat old bastards... but is it punk! Ha ha ha ha... - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 8:28pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | I was waiting for you to chime in on this one! You'd be the one in the know. As of late, the Subs had up to three of their original members, but I think Alvin has flown the coup again. Roumor has it that SLF just released a new record and it's actually good!? GBH just played a slew of shows in the US with the Circle Jerks. That would have been a hell of a gig! The Business have another disc out on Epitaph and seem to like the footie as much as ever. Oh yeah, did I mention that I really liked The Exploited. It took me to a place that I have rarley gone to since I was 14. Pure FUN! All you punk purist, "you weren't there" people need to relax a little. And before you call me a teenager, I am getting a little long in the tooth(not as long as MWPR though!). It's all about the fun! - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 9:40pm | ||
| Mac User Info... | Ty, I appreciate your comments, but what I am getting at here,(and in other posts) is excellence.I care about you! I don't want you fobbed off. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:11pm | ||
| The Mad Subwoofer User Info... | Ummm.....that all said, many kudos from me to MWPR for being THE dude with the patience to learn me my first notes on bass; mostly uh..."Oi-band" stuff. Thanks pal.....you da man. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:52pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | I understand(I think). I know that The Exploited aren't an excellent band. Hell, I wouldn't put them in the top 100 bands that I've ever seen, but it was sure as hell FUN! I mean, seeing those songs that my adolescent mind really dug back then, played live by some aging punk rock idol? That's good livin'! I'd go again just for the chance to try and decipher exactly what the hell Wattie was trying to say in between songs. - Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:52pm | ||
| oi_thebanned_oi User Info... | true that ty....i heard the word cunt a lot ....everything else was anybodys guess.....great show tho.they put the f.u back in fun...lol - Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:30pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | Pics from Seattle show http://pub182.ezboard.com/fbloodredmetalheads.showMessage?topicID=7678.topic - Thu, 18 Sep 2003 7:59pm | ||
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