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best dist. pedal for sustain
| Message Board > General Chitchat > best dist. pedal for sustain |
| JL User Info... | so, after years of trying to make my pedals work for me; i've given up! I've been through everything boss has to offer, behringer, ibanez, danelectro... Without having to spend 500$; I was just gauging what peoples opinions are... I currently use a ts09, or the drive channel itself on my amp(which provides the best sustain thus far). I use an american standard with noiseless p/u.(i know the lace sensors are hard to acheive a good sustain with, but I seem to be able to get what i need... 80% of the time, ALL the time!). My amps are either a)1x12 princeton practice b)4x10 deville or 2x12 (old skool) mann amp. the latter 2 are all tube. Thanks for your opinions or suggestions! - Fri, 27 Feb 2009 5:18pm | ||
| Crux User Info... | you might want to take a look at your settings on the amps and guitars rather than a pedal. the ts9 is perfect for what you want. what settings on it are you using? - Fri, 27 Feb 2009 5:21pm | ||
| JL User Info... | I think I may have been a little too vague. Its the drop out I dont like from the digital pedals... I know there tube driven pedals avail. but Im wondering if I can achieve the same results at half the price. My amp settings are fine as the "stock" drive channel on both provide AMPLE sustain, but not enough crunch. Which is where the TS comes in... but then I get too much feedback overdriving the drive channel. I use 3/4 drive, 1/2 tone, 1/2(or more depending on the amount of overdrive) level on my tubescreamer. I always have my guitar volume on full, and my amp(despite needing new tubes) is usually set to 4 treb. 6 mid 4 bass. Like I said before, I just dont like how my pedals drop out so fast after holding a note; when I know that the amp itself is easily capable of holding that note longer(as with the guitar). - Sat, 28 Feb 2009 9:13am | ||
| Mike D User Info... | Have you tried out a Fulltone OCD? They run about 215 bucks and give a killer distortion when used right. I've found the trick is driving the amp when it's moderately breaking up. This pedal can go anywhere from TS9ish to fair amount more gain. I had a Radial Hot British before, and it's much better. With a Deville you could probably keep the drive channel around half and get a singing lead tone. Another way is to crank your drive channel to the sustain level you like, and then kick in the OCD with the gain knob dialed way back/volume set accordingly. This adds balls but no feedback, at least on my amp. Edit: The OCD is much better than the Radial, to clarify. - Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:36pm Edited: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:38pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | I highly recommend the Marshall Jackhammer ($80 new). I too went through a long pedal selection process and found the Marshall pedal was the best for adding volume, gain and lots of tonal ranges without creating horrendous feedback. The low price was just a bonus. Cheers - Sat, 28 Feb 2009 1:29pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | why don't you just run everything through a compressor? - Sat, 28 Feb 2009 3:22pm | ||
| llbean User Info... | Lowering your pickups can help, especially the neck. But, running your distortions into a compressor is a great technique. Controls volume and feedback, increases sustain. All without having to sacrifice the amount of dirt you want from your solidstate pedals. Even an MXR reissue works well enough in that sort of applicationk, though I find they sound like shit clean. - Sun, 1 Mar 2009 1:01pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | "why don't you just run everything through a compressor?" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! compressor = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF A good overdrive provides natural compression, as does a high gain amp. If I had my way I would ban all compressor pedals. All they do is create noise, imo. . . . unless they are being used as an actual effect, of course. Plus they rob your tone. Plus they usually have noisy buffer circuits. - Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:04pm | ||
| JL User Info... | compressor pedal is out... i've had that battle many moons ago; and will never use one again. Thanks for the suggestion though! I will, however, try out some of the afformentioned pedals! Thanks for the suggestions. - Mon, 2 Mar 2009 7:14pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | it depends which compressor you use and how you key it in. if the sustain of a guitar is running out, but there's still a faint signal coming into the pickups, a compressor can help bring that up and out longer. you know, subtle compression, not a 999:1 ratio setting. it does come with amplifying the noise, but that's what compression really is... bringing down the loud parts and adding gain to the quiet parts. if that's what you want, cool, but gain on a low-level signal will obviously boost noise. a careful threshold tweak and release time can make it sound a bit more natural. there's a huge anti-compression stigma that is founded on valid reasons, but some people seem to hate them just because that's the popular thing to do. it's a really basic audio concept. but yeah, a lot of compressor pedals are pretty shitty. I've had my best experiences with rack compressors. kind of excessive when you just want more sustain on your guitar though, I know. I was just throwin' it out there. I saw the hate coming. - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 1:51pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Not to turn this into an anti-compression thread, obviously it's a bit of an issue with me. The problem, from what I've seen, is people using the tools without understanding them. I've seen far too many guitarists with the compressor on all the time, thus requiring extra noise suppressors, noise gates, etc., just to manage a tool that's essentially being used as a crutch (ie., you're not great at controlling your dynamics, so you lean on the compressor). Pretty much every guitarist I've met (and including myself) who went through a millitant no-pedal phase did so after a period of compressor excess. Maybe I should keep my opinions to myself and let people make their own mistakes, but if I can keep just one person from going down the shame spiral of compressor addiction it'll be worth it. - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 2:51pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | hahaha! "compressor addiction"! I love it. yeah, it's really easy to fall into expressionless playing, with them. and I even admit to having the Boss NS-2 and liking it a lot as a noise suppressor. I have seen how unnatural the combination can get though. usually, and thanks to the advice of Kevin Smart ("Crux") on here, I'm playing through just an Ibanez Tube Screamer and my Sunn amp. I love how we all go through a no-pedal phase. anyway, sorry for getting off topic. back to sustain without compression! - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 3:11pm Edited: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 3:12pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Actually, since compressors are a gain-based effect they technically belong to the same family as overdrive pedals, so maybe it's not too far off-topic . . . But back to straight overdrive - the tube screamer isn't my first choice for a sustain enhancing OD - I use mine for a mildly dirty boost. In a compact I would go for the Boss SD-1 (but it sounds like you've already rejected), otherwise you're looking boutique like the Fulltone. Basically you're looking for something with good eq control as well as saturation. More importantly (and I know I've said this before), look at your amp's tone settings; since neutral is '10', try not to roll off too much otherwise you're losing those key harmonics you need for the sustain. You say 4-6-4? That's just sucking half your sound away! Try 7-10-8 instead. At least one of your knobs should be at max otherwise something's wrong with your amp (or your ears). - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 4:51pm Edited: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 4:55pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | "ours go to eleven" - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 5:14pm | ||
| JL User Info... | I have since changed my amp settings, and found that it has helped quite a bit. I too went thru the "NO PEDAL" phase, but Im used to playing more fusion/blues/funk(a la' MMW, Scofield etc...) so I HAD no need for many effects. But now playing more rock oriented stuff, Im finding a need for the very things that I never did... as in delay's, different distortions, etc... I have figured out what I should've done in the first place... overdrive the fuck out of my amp lol and I seem to be achieving what I need to(the shitty thing is, the sound(s) im looking for only benefit me in one of my bands songs). Thanks alot for the "feedback"(sorry I couldn't help it); Its helped alot! - Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:55am | ||
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