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does anyone tape conerts at all?
| Message Board > General Chitchat > does anyone tape conerts at all? |
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | im kinda googling around right now on cheap routes to bootleg shows. think i wanna get into it just to archive stuff i go and see. dont know a thing about it but it could be fun, i see a lot of allager shows so it wouldnt be hard to get access -edit seems that Minidisc players are the way to go and you can buy a cheap cord to just plug right into soundboards as well. any experience with this method? - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:13pm Edited: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:58pm | ||
| Peter Gardner User Info... | keith, I have a feeling since the kind of shows you go to don't really mic most things (ie: guitars, bass, ect) getting a direct line from a sound board really wouldnt be the best thing to do. If you were taping a show at say, sugar, that would be much better. just a thought - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 6:47pm | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | im actually looking into this baby for the future http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1901 but for now im gonna go with as cheap as possible and just kinda learn the basics - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 6:51pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | that H4 is sweet. if you want the mics in it have compressors which will help at loud, non mic-ed all ages shows then when you go to a show that has all of the equipment mic-ed, then you can use the XLR/TRS jacks to come out of the sound board. if you can, finance the H4 at L&M at skip the cheap shit. For the few hundred bucks, it's a sweet rig. oh, and it multi tracks! up to 8 tracks I believe. but on the cheap cheap.... do you have a laptop? even a mediocre one? - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 9:35pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | I got a minidisc recorder for this exact purpose. unfortunately, it seems that both mics I have can't handle the high SPL levels of these sorts of shows. people say they've made good bootlegs with the same equipment, but I suspect they're going to acoustic singer/songwriter sorts of stuff, because even with the gain at the second-lowest setting, with windscreens, and with a bass roll-off module, it still sounds distorted as hell. as PG said, going into a soundboard only works when everything has been mic'd. I've tried this at all-agers with troy's PA and it only picks up drums and super loud vox, when we only use the single mic (duh). I'd love to know about a cheap, effective camcorder that can handle dark environments well. strangely, the least-distorted sound I've gotten comes from one of my older sony point-and-shoot cameras that happens to have a video mode. - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 9:43pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | That Zoom H4 looks tasty! Perhaps my account needs to be used again. - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 9:58pm | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | im not so much interested in video, would be cool but i still very much like to photograph so it would be cool to be able to record, and then get up front still and do my thing. just audio for me. ive never been to L&M so i didnt know you could finance stuff like that (well that they even carried such things) but i will look into that for sure not lookin for amazing quality or anything, most of what i see is just punkrock so it doesnt need to be an elaborate setup just to archive some audio from gigs - Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:08pm | ||
| inhalien User Info... | I've used my minidisc for taping concerts too and I had the same problem - high-end frequencies frapping the recording, and I used a fairly good stereo mini mic. I found my minidisc works best for recording in quieter venues, like recording practices and jams, rather than concerts. - Tue, 27 Jan 2009 8:50am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Letsgetrad: Hope this helps.... I have been recording shows on and off for about the last 4 years now and in that time, I used the most ghetto set ups to full on split snake multitracked setup (super pain in the ass). I mainly used the "cheapest" set up possible avenue. When I used the H4 is was the best bang for the buck hands down. With built in compressors and limitors, that can stop any distortion from happening. The XLR in's will give you "upgrade" potential later down the road so that you can have one in from the sound board and then you can use something eimple like a shure 57 as a direction room mic. This could be useful for something like a fernwood show. Oh, and you can use it as a recording interface if you hook it up to your computer!! How cool is that? If you can finance it, do it. If not, the next cheapest option is buying a audio interface that hooks up to a laptop and will go from RCA to usb. I have one and it works okay, but the catch it that with no compressors, it's tough to get a solid signal out of a sound board. That's all I got for you. Hope that helps. matteus http://www.matteusclement.com - Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:35am | ||
| lonemonk User Info... | The Zoom H2 is perhaps an even better selection, especially for clandestine recordings. Its much smaller, so it wont allow an XLR Mic inputs, but when you are on the go you don't need that. H2 is only about $200.00 http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1916 I've made some amazing 5.1 recordings with this little thing (using all 4 mic surround mode). There is software out there that parses the files and makes an LFE and Centre channel file. Anyway, I record upwards of 20 shows per year, and even though I have other rigs I always have this machine going as well. I have snuck it into a couple of larger shows with no issues. - Tue, 27 Jan 2009 1:33pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Hey Scott, does your studio have a website? Couldn't find one. ANd great call on the H2, forgot about that one. Better on the wallet for sure! - Tue, 27 Jan 2009 5:06pm | ||
| steve User Info... | That reminds.. i should look for thoose sigur ros, domake say and badly drawn boy mini discs i have kickin around. - Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:46pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | I think I found the problem with my minidisc recordings. apparently, the pre-amp can't handle such high levels from the microphones. the mics are probably fine, just the resulting output is too loud. and apparently this can be fixed with a simple stereo volume attenuator that I can buy from the Source. I'll try it out and let you know how it goes. I have high hopes for this. Minidisc recorders are cheap, easy to use, and of relatively high quality. and they're portable, which is more than you can say about dragging a laptop and shure sm57 around. I'm impressed by the Zoom though, based on what I've read. - Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:35am Edited: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:38am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | I tried a mini-disc with the same intent but could not for the life of me get the audio OFF OF THE F*CKING disc.... has that changed? - Thu, 29 Jan 2009 1:38pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I'd love to tape more gigs, cept bands don't want you to do stuff like that (not filming, though I should of bought a video camera when i had the money). In which case, I'd run a line from the line out on the soundboard to a DAT machine. Of course, you need to get the permission from the club as well as the bands playing. Re: Mini-disc, you should be able to grab the audio in realtime by hooking up the mini-disc to your amp then capturing the audio from the mini disc thru an editor on the puter (I've always used WaveLab). I remember copying a DAT tape hooked up to my amp which has a line out from the video out to the line in on the sound card. And yes, I'm still around, much to the shagrin of many users on LiveVictoria. - Thu, 29 Jan 2009 8:22pm Edited: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 8:24pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Welcome back Phil. What do you mean by "The scene is dead, too bad" - Fri, 30 Jan 2009 3:18am | ||
| Tyler User Info... | griphin/phil is right. welcome back phil! you just hook the line out from the minidisc into the line in on any source - in your instance, a computer's sound card. I don't know where the "amp" part comes in or is necessary. if you're really audiophile anal about it, then use some sort of low-noise capture device with line in and a better A/D converter than a sound card. this thread got me all excited about making bootlegs again. I might try and boot the Bison set tonight, if I go, to see if I can get a non-distorted recording. I figured out another solution, apparently a battery-powered mic set can produce strong enough levels for the line-in rather than mic-in. if all goes well, I'll post a sample link in here tonight. and this way, I don't need a club or band's permission. "Oh, that's just a minidisc player. That's what I listen to music on, man." - Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:31am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Thx Tyler. And yes your right, I was thinking about how you copy vinyl, which requires a pre-amp/amp cause the record player needs the +10 dB boost in sound, which the turntable doesn't have. In the case of the DAT/Mini Disc, you don't need the boost (that make sense?). Now I remember it, we hooked up the DAT player direct to the sound card line in. - Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:15am Edited: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 1:45pm | ||
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