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Punk is Dead in Vic!!?
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| {}{} User Info... | Is it just me or does anyone else think that punk rock in this town really sux? I know it was never great to begin with but we don't have any good shows anymore, it's all just a big mess of band incest if you ask me. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:14pm | ||
| Anonymous | its about time! - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:26pm | ||
| Anonymous | thank god.. i hate punk. nobody in victoria is really punk anyways. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:48pm | ||
| Virge User Info... | what sucks about it? - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:57pm | ||
| {}{} User Info... | It's not what is used to be! It's not angry or clever anymore! There are a lot of heavy metal/punk bands but it just isn't the way it was and it never will be again because everyone is older and times they are a changin'! It makes me angry that now the newer generations think that you just need to wear a studded bracelet and have a mowhawk and "VOILA" they are a punk rocker. Kids now think Avril Levigne is punk and Blink 182 are true punk, it's just really sad. Either way I haven't seen a good punk show in this town nor has a really good punk band come out of this city in quite some time. Or it could be that I was always too drunk and thought that all the shows were good. Who knows? - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 1:07pm | ||
| anonymous User Info... | punk is definitley dead. not just in victoria, EVERYWHERE. give it up already. the music people call punk isn't even punk anymore, (like last poster said) and any real punks still around are like 30-40 years old and probably not even real punks anymore anyways. ie: jobs, wives, showering. get with the times, ya fuckin' punks! make way for the new generation, whether you like it or not, they are taking over. btw, there is nothing cool about ANYBODY that can't get with the times. not just punks. metal heads are just as bad. THE 80'S ARE FUCKING OVER, PEOPLE!!!!! metal heads - get the hell rid of your skin tight jeans, tassled leather/suede jackets, iron maiden cd's and skull rings. punks - throw out your doc martens, dirty camo shorts, and anything with studs on it for christ sakes. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 2:05pm | ||
| Virge User Info... | gee, i allways thought punk was more of an attitude than anything else. i suppose attitudes can die off, but i don't think punk is dead, different, maybe. thing that gets me is i keep wondering if punk can be successful, i mean i think punk by deffinition means you suck shit to a certain degree. look at b182, avril and sum41. i know they're not punk, you know it, lots of people do but it's still advertized as "punk rock". to me it's something you make your own, people can't take that away even if they shave your head and put you in a 3 piece suit. oh yea and i'll wear whatever the fuck i want, thanks - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 2:47pm | ||
| Virge User Info... | and you leave christ out of this! - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 2:56pm | ||
| Anonymous | maybe punk would still be what it was if people didn't always take in what media feeds them. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 2:58pm | ||
| Jason User Info... | you fool, don't drag Maiden into your pathetic little diatribe - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 3:28pm | ||
| Anonymous | i know what he's saying generally. blink 182, green day,offspring, sum 41, gob, all that pap has ruined music. and how to define punk. it's impossible. and now all this annoying 'emo' this and 'emo' that. i'm pretty sure emo was over with in 1993. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 3:50pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | What fucking retards. So let me see, just because your not a punk rocker any more then that must mean that nobody else can be either huh. I guess punk rock was only valid in the late seventies then. Your a bunch of total idiots in my books. Look at the world around you dipshits, punk rock is more valid now than it ever has been, but you cant see that can you. Nope that's right it's victoria, everyone here has their heads planted so far up their asses that they cant even see the light of day. Shut the fuck up and talk about something you know about for a change and leave the punk rock conversations to people who might actually know something about it. If you dont like it, fine then fuck off and do something else. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 4:22pm | ||
| Anonymous | who cares "i don't give a fuck" attitudes were around long before 'punk', and will be around long after - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 4:35pm | ||
| Cliff | The fact that Brown now spends more time on the internet than piss alley proves punk is dead. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 4:46pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Does is really matter? Is it at all relavant that Gob, Blink 182 & Green Day's takes on punk were different? Do you really know what punk is? Does any one? Avril does. Avril IS. There are a great many that are graced with a great deal of joy by this thing called "punk", dead or not, and for the most part it is at no one's expense. It is something that brews a great deal of passion for some, & there is a lot of betterment that can & does come from the all of it. I don't see why's you got beef, peeps. We can all love each other. Don't push, don't shove, plenty of room for you & me. Oi! Georgie Best!!! Jo Fancy - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 5:35pm | ||
| {}{} User Info... | Ok JB you can twist up what everyone said and try and make them feel like idiots but the truth is the music in Victoria sucks, punk or not! There is no where decent to play anymore and nobody wants to make the boat ride over to play in shitholes! But I don't know if that's right because I am trying so hard to pull my head from my ass!!!!! Think what you want but I am sure there are others out there who feel the same! - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 5:36pm | ||
| Anonymous | "Your a bunch of total idiots in my books" I'm betting none of your books have anything to do with spelling or grammar. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 5:36pm | ||
| Anonymous | What exactly IS punk? What's your definition? Is it just music? Or what exactly are you getting at? There's a punk scene here; there are punk scenes across Canada, the States and the whole world. But yeah, I guess the punk way of life doesn't matter if you're not 40 years old. Fuck blanket statements. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 6:23pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | Threads like this are great. They're as old and tired as punk! Ha ha, ok seriously though what REALLY sucks is people who say things like "there are no real punks in Victoria" or that someone is not a "real punk" or whateverthefuck that means. For starters, please, oh enlightened all-knowing one, give us a hint of your wisdom from the big book of punk (which obviously you must have authored) and let us all know what a "real punk" is. As far as bands like Sum 41, etc. go I don't consider them to be punk bands, but some people do.... big deal, let it go. People who bash entire music scenes must have really over-inflated opinions of themselves. Victoria definitely has some good punk bands, and some (dare I say it)... "real punks" (in my humble opinion). Correcting a person's grammar really shows that you don't have anything constructive to add to a discussion. As for Avril, please refer back to Jo Fancy's post. He was a Sk8er Boi Oi Oi. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 7:19pm | ||
| anonymous User Info... | sorry jason, but iron maiden sucked then, and most definitely, IN MY OPINION, sucks even more now that i actually have an ear for good music. i'm sure you'll take offense to this and think it's a personal attack on YOU. jay brown; maybe i was wrong about punk being dead. you're response proves to me that it must still be cool to be a punk at your age, and that punk, is in fact 100% defensive attitude and anger. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 7:31pm | ||
| Robnoxious User Info... | Punk and Metal are alive and well in Victoria. Sure we don't get many shows coming over from the mainland , so get out and see the ones that do. Maiden sucks now??? Say what. Obviously you missed them with Queensryche and Halford a little over a year ago. "now that i actually have an ear for good music" Whatever dude, clean the shit out of your ears. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 7:35pm | ||
| anonymous User Info... | ya. maiden sucks now. i think so, you don't...oh well. like i would have PAID to see them a year ago???? sorry about your luck. you could have just went to a house party in langford and saved a bunch of dough. would have been the same as an iron maiden concert. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 7:44pm | ||
| Anonymous | anon- Please enlighten us with your wisdom. How exactly should the punk scene be today? What exactly are people doing wrong? What are you doing, besides griping, to change it? - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 7:54pm | ||
| mark mor User Info... | CLIFF! I remember that old guy! There is no way in hell he is still alive. He was so old then and that was like 20 yrs ago. Piss alley was the raddest hang back then - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 8:26pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Yup Cliff's been dead for quite a few years actually. As for correcting my spelling or grammar for that matter. I read all the time, you should come over and see my book collection, I'd say it's fairly impressive actually. Lumping Avril and Blink and all those other pop bands in the same category as poison idea or gg allin or the mentors for that matter is ludicrous. It's like saying Stryper and Deicide are both metal bands and metal sucks. It's about as close minded as saying that there are no good bands in victoria. Which is a hell of a lot more close minded than most of the punk rockers out there even. Personally I think theres a ton of good bands in victoria, I think the problem is with the rest of the people in this city. The more time that goes by the more I think the people in this city are a bunch of total self righteous arrogant assholes. How about supporting your local artists for a change? Nope that wont happen here, the rest of the "community" here will just rip everyone apart and continually find trivial little shit to whine about. Personally I think the best thing a musician or artist in victoria can do is move away from here, or as Myself and my bands have done, play elsewhere as often as possible. Try vancouver, you might even get paid there. Try Seattle who knows maybe you'll actually get to quit your day job. There are other places out there and people who actually care about their creative communities. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 8:31pm | ||
| Anonymous | there are punk bands in vic - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 9:28pm | ||
| Jesse Shortfall | Fuckin right's there are punk bands in Vic, just like there almost all other sorts of bands in Vic. I don't know what sort of criteria you must adhere to be a blue blooded, genuine "Punk Rocker", in the eyes of an ignorant thread poster, but odds are I probably fall short (No pun intended). Never the less I am proud and immensly entertained to be in a Punk Band. Punks not dead, you're just a knob! - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 9:54pm | ||
| Anonymous | God Jay. You've been busy today. Every thread I read is ended by some fucking stupid ignorant comment by you. I love how you sit here and bitch about how much Vic sucks. What the hell is keeping you here? Your stupid "gang"? Ooooo... AWT. Let's get three letters tattooed to our inner lip to prove how tough we are! You guys are just washed up E-town Boys. What's your colours Jay, red or blue? If this town sucks so much, leave. Your gay bar is closed. You and your girlfriend are out of work. Get the fuck out of town. Victoria would be better without fuckwads like you running your mouths all the time. Bitch. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:21pm | ||
| lily_liquor | I wanna know what {}{} listens to... PUNK IS DEAD BUT I LIKE TO FONDLE THE CORPSE - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:21pm | ||
| {}{} User Info... | I listen to the good old shit! Misfits, Ramones The damned etc etc... Wow, I was really not trying to make it sound like I was some hardcore fucking punk I was just stating a fact that things have changed and shit isn't quite as fun as once was... I guess I'm not as drunk as I used to be. I am glad that people are still having fun at all agers in Fernwood that's fabulous... My point is... Nobody good has come to Victoria in a long time! So sorry if you thought I was whining I was just using this pathetic message board to find some like minded individuals to bitch with. And thank you annonymous poster who slagged Jay! It's about fucking time King Victoria Sk8 punk got off his computer chair and joined another 50 bands! - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:40pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | actually I'm not out of a job dickhead it's called a day job and you'd have to be an idiot to work in a bar without one. My girlfriend on the other hand is a full time student at uvic. As for my club, eat my ass goof, why do you think we have a club? Simple we know were not like people like you, and we enjoy each others company. Seems pretty basic to me. The tattoos on our lips werent to prove we were tough, they were just a little thing we did for ourselves not to impress you ya fucking goof. Once again nice anonymous post, fuckhead. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:45pm | ||
| Anonymous | So what you're saying then, is that you're washed up? Just so that we're clear. Bitch. - Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:50pm | ||
| Robnoxious | anonymous - ya. maiden sucks now. i think so, you don't...oh well. like i would have PAID to see them a year ago???? sorry about your luck. you could have just went to a house party in langford and saved a bunch of dough. would have been the same as an iron maiden concert. - Mon, 24 Mar 5:44pm I been to paties in LangF*ck, No comparison to Maiden, No comparison at all - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 3:30am | ||
| Dave | Punk is dead, has been since 1984. I still listen to Exploited and some other choice bands but have to laugh at the idiots nowadays with mohawks, wearing ripped up clothing with pierced faces and crowing away about Anarchy. Most punks don't even understand what Anarchy really is and think the Sex Pistols made it up. - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:32pm | ||
| Virge User Info... | Holy shit, so punk is alive in Vic but theres no one to appreciate it so punk bands should pack up and leave? Thus putting an end to punk in Vic city alltogether? how horrible. OK, the punks will probably allways be a minority, that's just a fucking fact. Vic is full of conservatives and anal retentive people, 'nother fucking fact. There's about one bar i can think of that caters to punk rock and there's no way you could make a living playing music here.. ok so it looks pretty dismal, that doesn't mean we should all give up, pack up and leave does it? I mean if Victoria is worth living in then it's worth changing isn't it? I don't know what it would take, and yea, people here DO have their heads up their asses, but I think if we had a few more fucking venues the scene would start to come around.. for starters. - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:58pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | haha, this thread is funny, I don't know what side I find more amusing. - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 2:39pm | ||
| Delincuencia User Info... | THANK YOU!! ***APPLAUSE*** - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 2:39pm | ||
| Anonymous | I been to paties in LangF*ck, No comparison to Maiden, No comparison at all - Tue, 25 Mar 1:30am Yes. You're right. A Langford party might actually be more entertaining. - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 3:31pm | ||
| Tired of the whining!!! | Deep Breath Boys and Girls...Punk, like all forms of music, continues to evolve and redefine itself. Of course it's not the same as it was in the days of the Ramones etc. how boring would that be. Instead of trying to label and categorize music why don't you get off your rapidly splaying asses and pay more than $5.00 a gig for what you do like, thus ensuring their continued existance in this town of possibilities. I am quite sure I will get slagged for trying to speak with reason to a bunch of unreasonables, but before you type your insults think about the evolution of music and embrace change...just a little!!! - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 4:26pm | ||
| support it | "Personally I think theres a ton of good bands in victoria, I think the problem is with the rest of the people in this city. The more time that goes by the more I think the people in this city are a bunch of total self righteous arrogant assholes. How about supporting your local artists for a change? Nope that wont happen here, the rest of the "community" here will just rip everyone apart and continually find trivial little shit to whine about." Well said. Its called lack of support. Take the fernwood show for example, what 5 bands for $1? How many people showed 30? These were great bands who played for nothing, except only to support the locals. That goes for all the big name shows too. When you add up the cost of travel(ferry)and a place to stay, shit thats tough enough, then factoring in the poor attendence, there really is no point in coming to the island. The bands that do play here are doing it because they enjoy playing, not for the money. - Tue, 25 Mar 2003 6:31pm | ||
| Anonymous | punk is dead, thankfully - Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:12am | ||
| TOM User Info... | don't worry folks more musicians will come along soon who can't play for shit and turn there amps on 11 there will always be shit music in vic oops i mean punk music in vic - Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:33am | ||
| Mohawk Barbie User Info... | maybe you all just suck. - Mon, 31 Mar 2003 2:57pm | ||
| wronskian | blech i haven't been to even one show since i moved back. standing around at shows and getting nasty looks from 14 yr old "i have a spike bracelet so i'm punker than you" brats just isn't as fun as it used to be. that, and nobody i know goes to shows anymore and i'm too introverted to go when i know i won't have anyone to talk to. i can't wait to leave this city permanently. - Mon, 31 Mar 2003 6:08pm | ||
| nobless | God, I sure detest Jay Brown. He's such a fucking know it all. Fuck you, Jay Brown. Have a nice day, all. - Mon, 31 Mar 2003 7:18pm | ||
| Livevic Scott User Info... | Virge - WE couldn't even support one venue that strictly did Punk/Rock/Metal what makes you think we can support more? I don't know one band that has had a problem getting a show if they wanted one.. I don't think venues are really the issue. One thats a bit better suited to live music might be nice, but knowing what other cities have to deal with you won't see me complaining very loudly. Victoria has more bands, more venues, a better scene and more punk then alot of cities in Canada. I've booked over 150 shows for at least 8 bands all accross Canada over the past year and after talking to promoters and bands in almost every playable city in the country I can say with almost 100% confidence that we have a great scene here with good support on most shows. As far as touring acts not comming and playing here like they used to? I might be too young to remember the "hay day" but I don't remember anymore acts comming and playing here in the past 6 or so years? Another big bitch is the number of people who come on here and say they don't like going to shows because they don't like the people at them? This seems to be really common among hall shows (all ages) Do these people ONLY goto the shows as a means of socializing or do they enjoy the music that is being played and have a desire to see a band? I mean I realize the social aspect of the show is important but to NOT goto a show because you think there's alot of try hards there seems really dumb. It's like giving up on your culture, how are people who don't understand the culture going to learn about it unless they get involved in it, i'm willing to guess that everyone on this board stuck out like a SORE thumb their first show they went to. Also if the person payed their way into the show they're just supporting YOUR culture, you should be happy they're there it means the band might be able to afford to get off the island without dipping into their own pocket. Which leads me to my next point.. I put on a few shows here in town (usually about 1 or 2 a month) and I for one agree that if people didn't bitch so much about shows costing more then $5 I might be willing to put a bit more of my money on the line and guareentee the cash needed to bring bigger acts to town. Again everywhere else the standerd price for a show (like the starting price) is $6-$7, the extra doller is NOT a big deal but when ya add the extra 2 bux per person over the 90 people that show up its an extra $180 for the bands in question, which can be the difference between make and break. As far as punk not being socially relevent anymore, I think thats pretty much a band to band comparison. LOTS of bands are not, however to say that no punk band has social values or sings about anything relevent is about as naive as the people who used to say that all punks were no good shit heads who just wanted to get drunk and wreck stuff. Sorry about the long ass ramble... its just my brooding thoughts, feel free to object to anything its all just opinion. - Mon, 31 Mar 2003 7:51pm | ||
| Trailer Park Boy Julian | Hmmmm... I am sensing from this and many other threads, as well as from conversations with other like minded jackass friends and buddies, that there are a fair number of people who live in Victoria that are down with punk but not with the "scene"... or more precisely the Victoria "scene". I don't know what it is really, but Victoria seems to be kinda uptight socially and as a result real cliquey. I'm not gonna say its a whole lot different in Van, but when I lived over there for a few years I did notice it was pretty easy to meet other people at shows etc and that people are probably a little friendlier in general at gigs etc. There seemed to be a little less posing etc and this might be because the average of people at the shows I went to in Van were in the 25 to 35 year range. I know it�s damn easy to sit and bitch about the Victoria "scene" (its sooooo easy I'm doin' it right now!!) but I think a lot of people in Victoria take themselves waaaaaaaay too seriously and gotta loosen up a little. I mean its punk, and its rock, and it should be fun damn it!! As a whole, I think Victoria is a weird town in many ways and I think that a lot of locals are up tight - not just "punks". If the punk "scene" could buck this trend and loosen up I think that shows in Vic would be supported much better (which would be way better for the musicians, clubs, promoters etc). As wronksian pointed out, there would probably be better support at shows if there wasn�t so much �attitude�. One last time people, relax; who do you think you are anyway - Darby Crash? Joe Strummer? Iggy Pop? GG Allin? Gimme a break.... - Mon, 31 Mar 2003 8:35pm | ||
| Anonymous | Hey, 3 of the 4 of those clowns are dead, and Iggy is all but dead. Look punk is now 25 years old; wearing a mohawk and spiky wristband is about as passe as getting a ducktail haircut and dressing like Elvis. I seem to remember a great sage once singing "Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself...". Seems to me that still applies today, dunnit? - Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:22pm | ||
| Anonymous | Who is GG Allin? - Wed, 2 Apr 2003 5:30pm | ||
| Sea of Blood | Fucking eh, Someone needs to pull a Eronymous and turn the tides to metal. But I mean, Whatever blows your load of course. - Wed, 2 Apr 2003 8:47pm | ||
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