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Merriest Of Xmas' to you and yours...
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| trevor corey User Info... | I can't seem to find mine. - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 8:28pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Xmas is for sheep. - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 9:19pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22302966/ - Thu, 20 Dec 2007 9:52pm | ||
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| tom User Info... | Chopper, quit being a wimp. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 8:00am | ||
| One Sick Fuck User Info... |  You've been warned 'ere - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 9:41am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Get fucked Tom. Didn't know not following/believing a hallmark holiday makes one a wimp. - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 7:05pm | ||
| laprider User Info... | Hey, careful...Santa is still checking his list, no one likes waking up to a potato! - Fri, 21 Dec 2007 9:11pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | I don't care what some Scrooges out there think. Christmas in no way demeans the celestial equinox or even the birth of Christ. It has just become a mutualy agreed time for celebration for the sake of celebration. In this age people seem to feel that they need a Reason to be joyful. So they invent them. It's a shame that we have taken all of the meaning out of the holiday, but I think it's cool that we have a time of year where everyone just agrees to love and give. Personally, I do this year round, so Christmas is no big deal for me. But I like all the pretty colours. I'm going Christmas 'shopping' today, but this year -instead of lame presents- I'm just going to make love with everyone I know. For serious. So I like Christmas, but I always feel really confused and uncertain in December (and even November now, thanks to commercialism). Because when I go to pick out a tree I'm all happy and everytihng - probably just due to subconcious triggers, like anchoring - and all of a sudden I stop and get all confused, like "why am I doing this... what the hell am I doing? This makes no sense... wtf is going on..." I always feel like I'm being tricked at Christmas time. Probably because I am. But I put up with it because I like to have fun, and fun is fun whether you're genuinely creating beautiful moments or you're subconciously mirroring behaviour you see in Christmas movies... See, I don't know how I feel about Christmas. Anyone else that way? They make you feel like if you don't spend money you're being a kill-joy. All those TV specials about finding the Christmas Spirit at the mall. They make it seem like you're a bad person if you don't celebrate Christmas. It's confusing. They make it seem like it makes so much intuitive sense, but I just can't wrap my head around why. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 9:18am | ||
| Doc User Info... | "but this year -instead of lame presents- I'm just going to make love with everyone I know." Wow, I'm glad that I don't know Aidan, that would be a nasty suprise when you bend down to check the Christmas turkey. Seriously though, I like your idea Aidan, my Mom does the same ssort of thing for my kids, she gets them tickets to a different concert series every year. It makes a nice change from the regular stack of gits that you may or may not want. As for Chopper, Christmas existed looong before Hallmark ever did, besides, everyone knows that we owe Sanata Claus and that whole image to Coca-Cola anyway. And you're right, not observing the holliday doesn't make you a wimp, but not believing does make you a heretic. ~Happy, generic, non-denominational, winter holliday everyone! Doc - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 9:42am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Aiden, I think you actually summed it up for me. Just when I started thinking you were totally retarded, your post made allot of sense to me. Thanks kid. I want to feel Christmissy, but I just don't. I really, really want it. Maybe I can find it down at Big Bad John's. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 1:34pm | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | "Just when I started thinking you were totally retarded" Damn, I'm glad Trevor Corey doesn't owe me any thanks. Fuck it. I'll meet ya over at big bads TC \m/ - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 7:24pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Actually, if I can muster the energy, I'll grtab a bottle of something and check in at the Hellhouse. I checked for Christmas earlier down at the Red Lion, but, to no avail. - Sat, 22 Dec 2007 7:37pm Edited: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 7:44pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | >> Maybe I can find it down at Big Bad John's. Anything can be found at BBJs (errr... The Douglas I mean. :) Oh, and happy ho-ho to you. Perhaps Santa will bring me a bass guitar?!? - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 3:27pm Edited: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 3:58pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "she gets them tickets to a different concert series every year." Yeah! that's a rad idea. haha. I might be totally retarded Trevor... but it's not really my fault. I am just really a scared and confused individual and I don't understand much of anything at all. Kind of sucks, but I enjoy it so w/e. And my opinions change to strange extremes a lot of the time for no reason at all; I think it's a chemical thing. And I have a really weird social perception. I mean, I really have no practical concept of what it is to be socially acceptable. And a lot of the things I say (not just on the internet) are just said out of curiosity- to see how people react. Some people won't ever have a conversation unless they're provoked into argument. Not that I'm big on arguing, I just like to listen to what people argue to me. Good way to learn (if you don't mind everyone hating you... I don't give a damn. I'm like a social nihilist. Not on purpose... ) - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 4:50pm | ||
| Ty Stranglehold User Info... | I've spent most of my adult life irritated by Christmas and the commercialism involved. This year my daughter is three years old. She's into it, and in turn it has showed me what was cool about it. Doing good things and making it a special time for your family. Good food, good drinks and good company... Nothing wrong with that. The christians and PC types can fight it out 'till the end, but all I know is that I'm having a good time with those I care about. Here is an interesting thing that someone posted on another forum I frequent. "Christmas is basically the Mass of Christ as popularized by Constantine era. But how did it start, how did it become popularized and how did the jolly man with a red suite come about. It all starts in Norse mythology 2,100 years before the birth of Christ which it's believed that is what Christmas is about, the new kings birthday. But why a salesman dressed in red with a white beard that on most representations of Santa Clause does he wink? Why do we leave out cookies and other small traditions? It all starts with Odin the god. Odin was depicted as a tall, old man with a white beard and wearing a cloak. He rode the skies and the seas on his fast white horse Sleipnir with his 8 (the number of transformation) legs, while carrying his never missing spear Gungnir across the sky which is the Norse representation of winter. When Odin rides the summer takes refuge in awe. On occasion Odin brought his black jacks, a type of pixie that Odin had on occasions used to scurry over ever hovel, cave to find those in need of either two things: Revenge or in prosperity. As with a extreme Northern culture, there is time of famine, of need. Durring unseasonably long and violent winters, it would be looked unkindly that those that didn't share there food would be found with there throats cut, there hovels ransacked. This was convenient use of Odin's black jacks...They had a list, they checked it twice, and thrice and knew who had more then they would need. This is actually how it is written in several sagas. As well the topic of revenge. Odin personified Norse culture which is one of stronger, clever men dominating others that are not as strong or smart. Thus to those that where bullied that didn't have an opportunity to avenge themselves Odin would remove his cloak, old it then open it up thus revealing food gathered by his black jacks as wells as swords for boys, daggers to women and to the old, poison to end there lives and join him in Asgard. Odin would spread across the Celtic world if not by name as by an idea. The greeks would use him as Zeus for instance. This is where it gets weird.... Time goes by. Christianity develops itself. In the 4th century in Myra, Turkey, a Christian bishop named Nicholas lived with a great reputation for goodness, benevolence and performing miracles for the poor and unhappy. He miraculously supplied gold to three (number of manifestation) girls as marriage dowries so they did not have to become prostitutes and he brought three children back to life who had been chopped by a butcher. It is not difficult to understand that during the poverty of the Middle Ages (also called Dark Ages) this bishop became extremely popular as Saint Nicholas in all parts of Europe. His feastday, it was said to be his birthday, was December 5 or 6, nobody knows. There is no historical evidence however for the true existence of this saint. Yet as the myth goes, Saint Nick took in all children that died of sickness, poverty and abuse. He granted them a northern retreat somewhere far away from misery(assumed Russia), and for the thanks of reanimation would ask only of them to make good so that others would benefit and for once a year accompany him to do his bidding. After the Reformation Saint Nicholas became forgotten in all the protestant countries of Europe except Holland. as Martin Luther threw off the vestige of the Catholic church and the improper use of Saints to control locals traditions, myths etc. There he became Sinterklaas; a kind and wise old man with a white beard, white dress, red cloak, a crosier and riding the skies and roofs of the houses on his white horse, accompanied by his Black Jacks. Sinterklaas will visit you on his birthday December 5 or 6 and donate gifts. His Black Jacks have miraculously gathered information about your behavior during the last year; if it were good you will now be rewarded with presents, if it were bad you will be punished by the Black Jacks who will beat you with their rods or even worse: put you in a big bag and take you with to Spain, said to be the residence of Sinterklaas which to Arabs was the traditional center of Celtic culture as they knew it. Oddly enough Arabs used this tale to scare there children into submission but it is unknown that since the fall of constantinople that all embraced the pseudo Christian holiday but was adopted for children. This is the facts.... n the 17th century Dutchmen emigrated to Northern America and brought their tradition of Sinterklaas with. In the new English speaking world the name changed into Santa Claus. In 1930 a designer for the Coca-Cola Company was asked to draw attractive advertisements for this drink that did not sell well in wintertime. He had to use the company colors red and white and create some cosy type. He remembered the Dutch Santa Claus with his white dress, red cloak, long white beard, kindness and benevolence since many sagas speak of Odin visiting impoverished house holds to dispense wine millet, meat and on occasion weapons to those in need . The eight-legged horse was replaced for eight flying reindeer and thus we have the accepted white Christian commercial success of Santa Claus." - Sun, 23 Dec 2007 6:37pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Thanks Ty, that was a great read. My ancestors worshiped ODIN. ........anyways, I kind of found my Christmas groove, down at the jewelery store. JK. Seriously, once I got out and got generous, gift giving, charitable stuff. Also drinking helps, and listening to just the right Christmas music. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RRm5qofw5vs - Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:54pm | ||
| Cat Lovecraft and the lighted hearts User Info... | "Maybe I can find it down at Big Bad John's" I find life at Big Bad John's. It's like, home away from home. Christmas gets worse every year, especially when you start working retail and realize how it's more pointless/stupid than you thought it was before. It's just a competition now. Please, please, please stay out of Cd Plus on boxing day. I want to deal with the least amount of people possible. I actually might just fuck the place over and quit that day anyways. Who gives a shit. Can't spell Santa without Satan! - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:27am | ||
| Hang the DJ User Info... | Oh yeah and I celebrate Sinter Klaas because I'm Dutch, woo. Gotta love it, with the carrot in the shoe and all... - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:29am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | U bent Nederlands? Werkelijk? - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:40am | ||
| THE JAK User Info... | The True History of Winter Solstice & Yule The date of December 25th originated with the ancient "birthday" of the sun-god, Mithra. A pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples. Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it wasn't until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the "Christian" holiday of Christmas. Ultimately, of course, the holiday is rooted deeply in the cycle of the year. It is the Winter Solstice that is being celebrated, seed-time of the year, the longest night and shortest day. It is the birthday of the new Sun King. On this darkest of nights, the Goddess becomes the Great Mother and once again gives birth. And it makes perfect poetic sense that on the longest night of the winter, 'the dark night of our souls', there springs the new spark of hope, the Sacred Fire, the Light of the World, the Coel Coeth. During the pre-Christian era people rejoiced during the darkest time of the year knowing that the worst of the winter was behind them and the predictable longer days and extended hours of sunlight were just around the corner. The end of the year was an ideal time for festivity in most of Europe because routinely cattle were slaughtered, sparing valuable feed. For many, it was the only time of year when they had a fresh supply of meat and wine and beer that was made during the year was finally fermented and ready for consumption. Long before the introduction of Christianity, evergreen plants and trees had a mystical meaning for people exposed to the harsh elements. Before the soothing smell of indoor trees saturated living rooms, ancient people used to annually decorate with pine, spruce and fir trees by hanging green foliage over their doors and windows. Along with the evergreen, the holly and the ivy and the mistletoe were important plants of the season, all symbolizing fertility and everlasting life. Mistletoe was especially venerated by the Celtic Druids, who cut it with a golden sickle on the sixth night of the moon, and believed it to be an aphrodisiac. (Magically -- not medicinally! It's highly toxic!) But aphrodisiacs must have been the smallest part of the Yuletide symbols in ancient times, as contemporary reports indicate that the tables fairly creaked under the strain of every type of good food. And drink! The most popular of which was the 'wassail cup' deriving its name from the Anglo-Saxon term 'waes hael' (be whole or hale). ~~~ BIBLICAL PROOF: Jesus is NOT the reason for the season! YULE is... Jesus is NOT the reason for the season! Here is proof from the Bible, that Jesus was born during the Fall/Autumn Season, over 2000 years ago. December the 25th is definitely not the date Jesus of Nazareth was born. He was not born during the middle of winter; for the shepherds were keeping watch over their flocks by night during his birth. (Luke 2:8). Still to this day in Palestine, the shepherds always bring their flocks in by mid-October. Listed below are 3 reasons for the Fall of the year to be the time for which Jesus was born. First, his public ministry started when he was thirty years old (Nu. 4:3). And his ministry continued for three and one half years, making him 33 1/2 years old when he completed his ministry. The Bible recounts that his ministry ended at the time of the Passover (John 18:39), which was in the Spring. So when we count back 3 & a "1/2" years, he would have turned thirty in the Fall of that year. Second, he was born six months after John the Baptist. John's approximate time of birth was in April, and adding six months, we have Jesus time of birth. Now, John's the Baptist' father, Zechariah was a Priest at the temple in Jerusalem. Each priest had a definite period of the year in which to serve. Zechariah was called on to serve the course of ABIA (Abijah), when he learned his wife, by some divine intervention, would give birth to a son (Luke 1:5-13)(Luke 1:23-24) . According to 1 Chronicles 24:10, the course of Abijah was held during the 8th month of the year. That is Iyar 27 to Sivan 5, Jewish/Hebrew Calendar. To us, this would be June 1-8. (The Jewish/ Hebrew Calendars New Year begins November 1st. November to June is 8 months.) If we add nine months to June, John's birth would be in the early Spring, in the months of late March to mid April. Johns the Baptist birth is still celebrated at(Summer solstice) during 'St. John's fire in Ireland, where they leap over fires (Like Beltane). Now, add 6 months to March-April & we get between late September to mid October, the Fall/Autumn. The exact time that the shepards reported seeing the Star that marked Jesus' birth, while they tended their flocks! (Luke 1:29-36) Third, Joseph and Mary had gone to Bethlehem to be taxed (Luke 2:1-5). Fall was a time for taxes to be paid, for it was the end of the harvest. Also, when they made the trip it was the time of the Great Harvest Feast in Jerusalem. Read about the crowds in (Luke 2:7). You can see from this that Christendom has stolen the Yule Season from pagans of Roman and Greek worlds to northern Europe (YULE). Yuletide Greetings! Here's a great link for the history of Yule & the Roman Catholic Church's attempt to Christianize it & every holiday & custom they stoled from paganism. It is so true that 'Christianity has Pagan DNA!' It can't escape it. They are more like pagans than they would like to admit!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule ~~~ Yule in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JulEtymology CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON PAGANISM IT HAS PAGAN DNA & ROOTS http://www.northernway.org/pagandna.html Virgin Mary Story stolen from Egyptian Legend http://www.northernway.org/pagandna.htmlIsis Paganism has a wider influence on our lives than we might care to think http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/pagan-symbols.html "The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church." Christians are really Christo-Pagans http://www.northernway.org/cpinfo.html - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:52am | ||
| Dr.DoomXXX User Info... | I like Tuborg. I'm drinking some right now. - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 1:26pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Not bad links Willie! The main reason, that Pagan holidays and Christian holidays are so close together, was to draw pagans away from their belief system. Hence why the major Christian holidays fall a few days after the Pagan equivalent. Good to see there's at least one person who's educated on the farce that is 'Christs Mass'. I wouldn't even really have issue if that was what was being celebrated. When I say 'Hallmark Holiday', I mean it more as a way to describe the decline of the actual holidays meaning and more about corporate and personal greed. - Tue, 25 Dec 2007 1:59pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Interesting rant JAK, but you've misrepresented a couple of the facts. First, the 1st Council of Nicea, when the Christmas thing was decided by the church and Constantine, was in AD 325. Christmas IS intended to celebrate the birth Christ and the date of Dec 25th was deliberately chosen so as to make the faith more appealing to Germanic tribes who the curch was actively trying to convert, because it conincided with their winter festival. Second, and this one is really minor, Joseph and Mary were NOT travelling to Bethlehem to be taxed, they were travelling there to be counted in the first census ordered by Caesar Augustus. The peace of Christ be with you now and forever Doc "I find your lack of faith disturbing" ~Darth Vader - Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:00am | ||
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