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this ones for you emo kids
| Message Board > General Chitchat > this ones for you emo kids |
| JDL User Info... | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/367672638.html just remember... "choose your mates" wisely. - Wed, 21 Nov 2007 5:04pm | ||
| T-dub01 User Info... | Amen bro, I'm really glad you posted that! - Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:49am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | " no commodity of any kind is going to make a pair of balls occur" Hehe. - Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:35am | ||
| James User Info... | "When an American boy gets picked last at a game on the playground, he gives up on ever being selected by the other boys, except last. He retreats into self-pity and misanthropy. This is encouraged by the adults, especially his parents, doubly especially when his dad made the same choices about being picked last himself. This boy tries to create a new playing field where he is the top of the selection. Because he knows he cannot compete on the playing field, he tries to compete in intellectual pursuits, or in a fantasy world, or in fandom. He collects comic books, or plays Dungeons & Dragons, or plays video games. Maybe he learns science, or literature, or art, or music. It never occurs to him to strive to improve himself, to make himself an asset to the team that might choose him. It never occurs to him that a drama is unfolding on a level bigger than that of his individual ego." Who the fuck is this guy? He's promoting the supremacy of sports over all else. Look at this: "He learns science, or literature, or art, or music. It never occurs to him to strive to improve himself." I'm going to be extremely generous. I'll only claim that art is atleast as important as sports, though many people would probably consider that an understatement. Art has existed for atleast tens of thousands of years... I think it's proved its human necessity. It's certainly not just a byproduct of being rejected by ones peers. - Thu, 29 Nov 2007 1:38pm | ||
| devin User Info... | Waah, I couldn't keep up a B average so I got kicked off the football team and now I have to make friends with art fags and... science fags? - Thu, 29 Nov 2007 1:59pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | I dont really think he meant that sports is the be all end all so much as an "everybody be themselves" or "emo kids aren't that much off the 'mainstream' as they'd like to think". I can see how the interpritation can lead to sports being the focus of the essay; but sports is just one example of the situations that go on day in day out. He could've used any "team" environment/situation and arrived at the same conclusion. But only the emo kids focus on the whole sports issue i guess lol j/k - Thu, 29 Nov 2007 2:16pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | This guy should quit slapping his "mates'" bottoms and get himself a girlfriend. Take one for the team man! I'd fight him, punk bitch. - Fri, 30 Nov 2007 4:41pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I love emo faggots. I just can't eat a whole one. - Fri, 30 Nov 2007 5:30pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | You're about 10,000 years off James, and that is if you believe radio carbon dating. It's obvious nobody here knows an Aussie male, or you wouldn't be shocked at the writers attitude. - Fri, 30 Nov 2007 9:38pm | ||
| devin User Info... | Either teamwork is unique to sports, and the guy IS promoting the supremacy of sports, or teamwork is a concept that applies just as well to arts and sciences, which the writer really doesn't seem to like. It'd be just as easy for someone to go from sucking at art to excelling at sports and having the same arrogant ass attitude as any snobby emo kid who beaks off about culture, and it sounds a lot like this guy did. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:51am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | lol@ attacking this when it's so true. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 2:33am | ||
| James User Info... | Maybe you don't understand what I mean when I say art. I'm talking about creative products in general, which have existed that long... and I'm not going to debate carbon dating. I worked with a guy from Australia and I understand the attitude a little bit. I don't see how that means that the guy who wrote that post is beyond criticism. I agree with his general point... he just said a few things that struck me the wrong way. I don't understand why people like this are so concerned about 'art fags' and 'emo kids.' It's just kid stuff. Stop taking it seriously. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:04pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | No. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:21pm | ||
| James User Info... | Then grow up. The emo fags you're talking about are usually younger than me, and I'm 22. I certainly don't care how kids dress and act... why do old crusty punks? - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:57pm Edited: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:59pm | ||
| inhalien User Info... | I've mulled posting and I'm going to go out on a limb and reply. You can flame if you want. I think I understand what this guy is saying and here is my take on it. In North America, it's apparently cool to act tough and pick on others that are weaker, shorter, chubbier, weirder, whatever. Those kids then feel rejected by their peers and don't hang out with the "in" crowd and do something else. They don't go to the "in" parties, they don't get picked for the team, they're by themselves at recess, lunch, etc. These people grow up with a chip on their shoulder because of this and it's difficult to remove. We all want to be accepted, regardless of what we look like. Not surprisingly, this is how I grew up, or didn't as I have that chip on my shoulder. Got hassled for being punk in school and naturally had no time for the "in" crowd or the beautiful people, and this acceptance issue is probably even worse in school today. All because we can't look past differences in others and just be nice. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 1:41pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I never really cared much about all that when I was in high school. As long as I was getting leid. I smoked weed, but I wore nice clothes. I played rugby, but I listened to metal and punk, and Platinum Blonde. Whatever. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 2:23pm Edited: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 2:23pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | i think you hit it right on the button with that, inhalien. That's pretty much what I thought of as my interpritation of the article when I first read it. and trev. I guess you were never picked last then ;) that's the whole point of the article. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 2:23pm Edited: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 2:25pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | You can pick your friend's nose for all I cared. As long as I was getting regular beaver. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 2:32pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | ...and Platimum Blonde actually helped with getting laid? Man, If only I had known. ~Sex sells and you're all buying. Doc - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 5:57pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | ...... didn't need any help with getting laid. Besides, a young trevster enjoyed the occasional preppy. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 6:11pm | ||
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| Andrew User Info... | What i got from the article was the aspect of real friends, or "mates" that have your back 100% like a brother. Many of my so called friends throughout the years have been little bitches behind my back and always took the neutral stance when some1 was picking on me or callin me a loser or whatever. It's awsome when u find a friend who's got ur back tho. people like that are rare as fuck these days. it was cool to see some1 putting it down on paper..(or a screen) i've noticed that a lot of the anti-conformists do live behind "the wall" and think everyone's out to get them if they talk walk or look like some1 whos picked on them in the past. Lol i've even noticed that the straight up GEEKS are really cool people. not the skater self proclaimed geeks but the real computer programming star trek geeks lol. They're too smart for that highschool shit. It was great in grade 8 i played sports and shit but chilled with this brian kid and talked about real shit not just who fucked who and whatever else. - Sat, 1 Dec 2007 6:28pm Edited: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 6:35pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | I've been putting a fair amount of thought into this topic and I've decided I agree with Inhalien. I'm also going to go ahead and say whoever wrote the article is taking the friendship issue to quite an extreme. Growing up in the nineties was heavily based in sports culture. The "popular" fashion trends were all sports related. I was never interested in sports other than for some casual fun. I was really interested in science and the world around me, in knowledge and art, issues that I still think are much bigger than some primal male pecking order. The music scene today has a lot of solid friendships, things that have been built through genuine friendliness and common interest. It's not the same sort of heirarchy that elementary school seemed to have back in the day. Just because I can hold up a conversation about Indian Summer doesn't mean it's because I'm clinging to it as an alternate social ladder. Just because I'm genuinely interested in some slightly less-popular styles of music doesn't mean I'm trying to gain something out of it as a commodity. I find most of the people who experienced the top of the social ladder in my early school days are rejects today. They were good at throwing a football or whatever back then, now they're just getting high and scraping by. And those who were in the middle-top have become average people. People who go to clubs and wear the same thing as everyone else, work their 9-5 office jobs, and become the North American stereotype. I don't get what's interesting about dampening your interests and trying to match everyone else. I'm not saying people should cake their face with makeup and wear shitty Misfits shirts, that's just another attempt to fit in with a group. I'm saying people should find what they're really interested in and just run with it. I'm in university taking a topic that won't get me any high-paying career because I genuinely enjoy it and want to learn more. Most of what I do these days is about living and growing as a person, aprroaching my interests blindly and just seeing what comes out of it. I have no idea where my life is going to lead but I don't want it to become a life of "fitting in with the mates" or whatever. I'm a socially awkward dude with a strong interest in music. I think I'm similar to the kind of person the article writer called out. And I don't think everything I'm saying is completely related to the article, this is just my take on it. I think there's a lot more related than what the guy said. - Tue, 4 Dec 2007 3:48am | ||
| Andrew User Info... | insert "best post ever" icon ^ - Tue, 4 Dec 2007 4:16pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | GEIAGH. Look, just join a band, start banging groupies, and you'll forget all about getting picked for a position on a team. - Wed, 5 Dec 2007 3:44am | ||
| shane User Info... | I think that was an insightful article. I'm probably a bit older than most of you and long past the stage of trying to be cool - entrenched in kids and career. But I'm still, in my heart, defined by being part of punk/indie rock as young man which was a direct reaction to feeling like an outsider in high school. (I hated sports. Fucking jocks.) I think he makes two points: 1. Looking cool is different than being cool. I define cool as having a point of view and the balls to stand up for it - right or wrong. The people he's talking about are the same ones that hate the 3rd album of a band that starts to get successful because they've become successful. It's one of the core disfunctions of indie culture. We're scared of success because then we'll become one of the fuckers that picked us last. 2. The notion of mates as an outcome of having balls/point of view. I've recently had some 'marriage problems' that has sucked, but has got me to reconnect with some mates. And he's right in that the best friends you'll ever have are the ones that have your back, even if you haven't talked to them in a decade. It's a good article and true from my mid-30's perspective. - Fri, 14 Dec 2007 7:48pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | just read this again and wanted to show this paragraph " When adolescence hits, this boy tries to be cool. He creates a new pecking order based around musical taste, or fashion, or obscure knowledge. He tries out for the school play, or joins the debate team, or starts a band, or joins the school's literary magazine, and tries to win approval through his creativity and intelligence. There is nothing inherently wrong with seeking approval through these channels, but the boy still has a chip on his shoulder about rejection. He strives to create not merely a new selection where he is on top, but a new selection where the kids who are successful at the old games are rejected here. He seeks to be even crueler than he thinks those other kids are— to cut them down before they can hurt him again. He doesn't realize that being rejected from the alternative he has just created doesn't hurt at all, really. His ego depends upon being top of some pecking order, even an imaginary one, and he will viciously defend his new status, especially by being cruel to those who are lower down on his new pecking order. He becomes an asshole, but it's everyone else's fault but his. " - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 2:58pm | ||
| inhalien User Info... | Shane, JI, Tyler, Andrew, I think we should all get together and have coffee and listen to Platinum Blonde. Or at least a beer and a side of Ross Bay. - Sun, 16 Dec 2007 8:40pm | ||
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