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| Dave 30078 User Info... | OK, so I know this guy who is making slides(for guitar players obviously) & he wants to get someone to build him a web site I see him once a week or so I will pass on your info to him if anyone is interested. He realy doesn't know where to start so I thought I would get him started with this post. Cheers, Dave - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 1:33pm | ||
| moron User Info... | He needs to decide on a budget and a general idea of what he wants his site to achieve before he goes anywhere. Does he need hosting as well or just web design? Is he wanting a full store front or just a "Hey, I exist!" site? Is he planning on actively updating the site himself or does he want the web designer to do that for him? The budget will likely answer a lot of those questions too. Fees for site construction generally range from $25 an hour at the bargain bin end to several hundred an hour depending on whether you are dealing with a high school kid using Front Page or a full on production house. Most professional places seem to charge in the $50 to $100 an hour range. Cheers - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 1:44pm | ||
| SickFuk User Info... | Depending ojn what your looking for, my webdesigner from my business site might be willing to design it for you.... drop me an email and I'll hook you up with him 'ere - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 1:53pm | ||
| Jesse The Malcontent User Info... | http://www.malcontent-media.com - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 2:19pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | http://www.ballisticarts.com - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 2:41pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Malcontent Media - definitely a nice eye for graphic design. Ballistic Arts - any site that states I have to use IE and Flash to get in is one to be avoided (yet another zone spoofing issue with IE appeared today, MS sat on it for an entire YEAR). http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms05-014.mspx Flash is for games not site navigation, leave the user's freaking GUI alone already. Cheers - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 2:44pm | ||
| Franco User Info... | >>Flash is for games not site navigation Looking at codegrunt, you're quite the expert on GUI's, mr. html, php script jockey... - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 6:01pm | ||
| moron User Info... | I don't present myself as a graphical artist. If you need PHP / MySQL programming chops then I'm someone to talk to. You want to critique my PHP source then fine, not much relevance is dissing a spartan layout that is intended as such. The GUI is the web browser Mr. Franco which is my point. Flash destroys all of the usual GUI cues and tools as well as rendering your site invisible to search engines. Cheers - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 6:21pm | ||
| Franco User Info... | Actionscript 2.0 classes will appeal more to OOP developers using Java and swing libraries. The search engine can read the meta tags, and other text contained in the browser holding the flash object. good use of flash: http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/home.ad2 - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 6:59pm | ||
| moron User Info... | "Actionscript 2.0 classes will appeal more to OOP developers using Java and swing libraries." Um, what exactly does that have to do with anything under discussion? OOP developers working on web apps would likely be using Java or PHP (Java if it is something really crazy, PHP otherwise) or an application framework like Zope, not some proprietary Macromedia stuff for use with Flash. Nice try with the bullshit generator though. Meta tags at best act as hints. Google certainly doesn't base much of anything on them (far too easy to use bogus meta tags for completely unrelated content). It is the content of the page, in particular the first few K that decide what gets indexed. Placement in results is another thing but mostly based on whether you are linked back to and whether you are listed in speficic hand generated archives like dmoz. The Zildjian site is not as bad as most though their front page contains literally about two paragraphs of text that Google will see, neither of which is all that relevant to how I expect they want to get indexed. They have a pop up right on the front page (dumb) and elsewhere which breaks depending on where you are on their site due to how it decides the relevant path (haven't bothered to sort out why). At least you can actually get to their products if you immediately scroll to the bottom of the page. But that is assuming the average user is willing to wait for all the Flash to load. On a related issue, they foolishly run their web site under IIS which means that both their uptime and likely time to being defaced / exploited are both going to be exceedinly low. Cheers - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 7:19pm | ||
| Franco User Info... | You make a lot of sweeping generalizations...Games *and* interactive components, like the main nav on the Zildjian site, are served well with Flash. Both from a GUI developer and viewer perspective. Making the transition from Java/Swing to AS2.0/Java/.net is an easy one, whereas if you are a text based PHP scripter (with a fetish for HTML tags), you are definitely in a much narrower bracket imo. - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 8:08pm | ||
| moron User Info... | Franco, what makes them a good choice in your mind? I can think of 3 immediate reasons making your site navigation based around Flash is a bad idea: 1. requires propietary, expensive tools to maintain (good for web developers, bad for the folks who paid for the website) 2. requires that Active X be enabled in Internet Explorer to function which is *major* security concern as in don't even consider doing banking or using your credit card online with IE and Active X enabled (go read through Bugtraq and full-disclosure if you are ignorant enough to doubt this) 3. interferes with both the GUI of the browser (as previously explained) and indexing by search engines. Also as a bonus, they generally increase the time to render the page, mean your page is not possible to experience if you are blind (since text to speech tools won't see it) as well not being supported or usable on all platforms (nothing like waiting for a megabyte site to download and parse on your cell phone) If you are familiar with any OOP language moving to another is not going to be a big deal. Flash is client side so I am not sure what connection you are trying to make between Flash on the desktop and server side scripting. You do understand the difference right? As to ".net", seems a bit of a non-sequiter in the current discussion. Seems like you are suggesting that if you create a crippled site for someone based around Flash that it will help you personally get experience that might help you later to find a Microsoft centric job somewhere (Mono aside). How that helps the person you sold the broken site to in the first place or the suckers that have to actually use it is beyond me. Cheers - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 9:48pm | ||
| Franco User Info... | >2. requires that Active X be enabled in Internet Explorer Use firefox. You will need to familiarize yourself with server side driven GUI components and design patterns before I can begin to address your questions. - Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:33pm | ||
| Dave 30078 User Info... | Well..... Two interested web designers and many examples of why my slide making courier friend is not sure of where to start. Thanks Jesse & the one after two for your links Cheers He is looking to sell them to stores and other interested people depending on the "logistics" of it all Im sure. - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 7:14am | ||
| moron User Info... | Franco, I'm honestly beginning to think you are someone's high school comp class Eliza implementation. First, I do use Firefox you dumb ass (though I prefer Mozilla's unified search / URL bar). That doesn't help the other 89% or so peeps using IE right now (say those forced to by their IT department, like the BC government for example). Have you actually ever done anything server side Franco? Anything beyond the most primitive app is going to use abstraction and templating to represent the bits that make up the final parsed webpage that the client gets. For example, I've written my own form abstraction layer which supports all the sanity checking, parsing and rendering of various elements. It's the way it is done for anything of any complexity at all. Stop quoting jargon you seem not to understand and address the issues or shut up. Or be marked as a troll. Cheers - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 8:36am | ||
| Dano User Info... | Hey you web-savy megalomaniacs, ever hear of "sidelining a thread"? You might know how to build 'em, but you don't know how to use 'em. Like bulls in a china shop..... - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:46am | ||
| Franco User Info... | Hey moron, I don't know if you are on your period or what, but for the sake of your own health, please step away from your computer and take a deep breath. You set yourself up as the Simon Cowell of web design, without a firm grasp of the subject. If the client or designer wants Flash (many do for valid reasons), an interface should be there to provide it. - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:58am | ||
| moron User Info... | As I've said a couple times now, put up or shut up. List some valid reasons for using Flash. Answer my concerns above. Stop quoting from CompuCollege leaflets. And how about a link to your own site for reference? But hey, what do I know? I've only been on the 'net since 92 or so (BBS's before that), write code for a living and maintain a number of database heavy, active sites in my free time. - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:30am | ||
| Gman User Info... | "please step away from your computer" Good advice. Also: "take a pill" - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:39pm | ||
| mica User Info... | wtf - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:53pm | ||
| WILLEM User Info... | Check this Chick out.... She does good work, http://www.caprinadesigns.com - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 1:24pm | ||
| Isolation Ride User Info... | Shoot me an email. - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 2:17pm | ||
| The One After Two User Info... | hey moron, they are old friends who are good at what they do for small business. I think they have a pretty site. I don't know your background but their education is solid and Dave 30078's friend can look at their resume and cost and make the call. I didn't mean to offend you by posting a link to a flash based site, just plugging a buddy b/c Dave asked. - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 2:20pm | ||
| King Bong User Info... | [email protected]! He did Bong's site amongst a long list of others including Steamers' recent web page - Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:19pm | ||
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