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oil, jobs and bc's coast
| Message Board > General Chitchat > oil, jobs and bc's coast |
| jackass User Info... | ok, I went to this discussion here in Vancouver last night, and I know that the same panel was in Victoria on Sunday, and I think they were in Nanaimo on Monday. I have a good understanding of that panel's thoughts...what I haven't yet seen is what the BC government is saying to persuade us into believing this is a good idea. Can anybody tell me why they think it could possibly be a good idea? - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 3:43am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Lucky lager, Old Ports, and loaded .44 magnums. - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 3:48am | ||
| davescene User Info... | Beerz, Steerz and Queerz - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 4:46am | ||
| _//<"v">/\_ User Info... | duh, it's a good idea because corporations (who obviously are behind this) don't care about anything else except making more & more money. they don't care about beauty, people & other living things. any questions? - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1:14pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | hmmm, I want a job that pays a lot of money...... and I know what blue water looks like already. I want to see some black water...... the colour of my heart. - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1:52pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | its definitly not a good idea. The jobs that this offshore shit will produce will not be for people in the province, except the up keep and production of hellicopters, marine vessels, other service craft and possibly cargo transport jobs(maybe more jobs in a few more sectors of employment) But really the majority of the decent to high paying jobs wouldn't be available to most residents of BC. The crews who work on oil rigs have specific training and education, and would most likely be contracted out by the coorperation and the government who own the rig. meh thats my thoughts on it anyway. - Wed, 25 Feb 2004 8:06pm | ||
| jackass User Info... | you're exactly right. Under NAFTA, we are not allowed to specify in any contract with any oil company that they have to hire BC residents, UNLESS...we pay them for that privelege. Good ol NAFTA. The gov't is saying, "well, the panel who is looking into lifting the moratorium says it's okay..and even if it won't be okay, we think that the protocols we'll have in place will save us" and the oil companies are going, "well, listen to the gov't and trust them". Truth is, there is absolutely no way they can prove that it will be a perfect operation with no harm to the ecology or marine life. If there were accidents, they won't even have the equipment to contain it. This panel..yeah, take a look at who is on the panel. Can you say conflict of interest?? Do you know how they do siesmic testing to see what the ocean floor is made of? Huge motherfucking air cannons dragged behind a boat, very very slowly for months. You can hear those air cannons from 3000 kms away, and they are the most significant background noise in the water. What the hell do you think it does to marine life directly below it? It causes massive hemmoraging in whales directly exposed, it causes significant changes in whale and fish behaviour also. So..there's one reason right there they can't do it safely, but the gov't is already ignoring it. Not to mention, they don't even have the scientific capability to say without a doubt that in 30 years time, drilling will have no impact on the ecology. They don't tell you about the oil and metal that gets strewn all over the ocean floor as a result of drilling, or how nasty those oil rigs pollute the air, or how damaging chronic little spills on the rig are. If there was a spill..you know how intense the winds up in the Charlottes get? Fishing industries will be impacted also. In cases like this, the Environmental Assessment Act says you have to operate with caution and programs like this shouldn't proceed. But..the Environmetal Assessment Act is now a joke (completely rewritten a few years ago to be more lax), and oil companies lobby all the time for exemptions. We haven't even gotten started on First Nations claims to that land. Pay close attention to how the BC gov't tries to put a spin on this to make it sound like we HAVE to do it. From the "facts" I have, the amount of oil it "might" be possible to extract is considerably less than what Hibernia will and has extracted. Hibernia isn't financially viable without huge subsidies from the Nfld gov't. Most of the oil goes to the states anyway, and if it ALL went to the states, it would last them 2 months for oil, and 4 months for gas. BC royalties for oil are considerably less than other places too, so the money we'll see from the oil is tiny. So..let's review shall we? No jobs created. We won't get significant royalties from it. The amount of oil is minimal. The risk to our coast line is substantial (we have the largest coast line of any country). The fishing industry will take a huge hit. Environmental law will not protect us. The gov't is lying and telling us that this panel says there are no scientific gaps to suggest that we can't lift the moratorium. The panel is suspect. No scientific gaps?? That's suspect too. Seriously...consider how special the coast is to BC. Have you ever been to Europe? You can't just pick up and go swimming in a lake one day if you feel like it..you have to fight the rest of the people that are there to get there, and then you have to pay! We live in an amazing place, and it's gonna get fucked over by money hungry assholes. ..and that would be my left wing rant for the day. - Thu, 26 Feb 2004 3:31am | ||
| jackass User Info... | I'll also say that if anybody is interested, I have a list of gov't officials you can write to. Rt. Hon. Paul Martin Prime Minister HOUSE OF COMMONS Parliament Buildings, Wellington St Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 **no postage necessary** email: [email protected] fax: 613-941-6900 Hon. John Efford Minister of Natural Resources Canada HOUSE OF COMMONS Parliament Buildings, Wellington St Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 **no postage necessary** email: [email protected] fax: 613-996-4516 Hon. Geoff Regan Minister, Fisheries and Oceans HOUSE OF COMMONS Parliament Buildings, Wellington St Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 **no postage necessary** email: [email protected] fax: 613-996-6988 Hon. David Anderson, P.C., M.P Minister of Environment HOUSE OF COMMONS Parliament Buildings, Wellington St Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 **no postage necessary** email: [email protected] fax: 819-953-3457 - Thu, 26 Feb 2004 3:58am | ||
| jackass User Info... | errr...and my Europe comment..might not be completely factual..it is definitely true in parts of Germany though. - Thu, 26 Feb 2004 4:11am | ||
| 69 User Info... | Thank you, Mr. Jackass for your very important information. The world can't become a better place unless we all help spread the word on the evils of big business. Everyone, PLEASE go and see "THE CORPORATION" documentary (produced, by the way, by a local Victorian) at the Vic Theatre on Douglas near the Empress. It will make you see the light! - Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:35am | ||
| kingbong User Info... | Just to point it out, I do believe that the Haida are in court right now claiming ownership of the whole of Haida Gwaii... including a significant marine resource, which may or may not include seafloor. What happens when, after a bitter ten year long litigation which goes all the way to the Supreme Court and back (as it probably will), and after all this oil development has gone through, and the platform is just in its first year of production, ... and then suddenly the whole project becomes illegal because the Haida own Haro Strait? The whole project's fooked, and the govenment will inevitably be on the hook to the tune of several billion. Right about the same time we finish paying ten billion for the Whistler Games. Perhaps the financial burden will force them to look at legalizing and taxing weed? - Mon, 1 Mar 2004 7:46pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | its a bad idea in my opinion. No amount of billions of dollars comes even close to the value of the eco system of BC's coast. Its bad enough that we've had ships spill oil on the coast. Maybe in the future if they develop a more advanced method of safely refining and transporting the crude, but in this day and age its a risk that should not be taken. - Mon, 1 Mar 2004 7:54pm | ||
| 69 User Info... | Remember folks, it's all about corporate greed. Don't be fooled! More jobs? HA! Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice? Shame on us! John Q Public and the eco system do not matter at all. WAKE THE FUCK UP!! - Tue, 2 Mar 2004 6:39am | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | not to mention some of the places they want rigs are some of the stormiest waters on the planet with some of the most dangerous and unpredictable coastlines. - Tue, 2 Mar 2004 9:36am | ||
| jackass User Info... | oh, this makes me feel so much better, you have no idea. I'm not being sarcastic either...I was really starting to get the feeling I was the only person around here who had an opinion or who even cared. - Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:04am | ||
| Sound Production that wont break your bank User Info... | I hear they make good oil in bc - Tue, 16 Mar 2004 8:53am | ||
| Brett User Info... | I have to do a debate on this exact subject for my geography class at uvic - Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:58am | ||
| jackass User Info... | a debate at school? Awesome! If it is even remotely possible and not too much of an inconvenience, I would really, really, really, really appreciate any information you can forward me as a result of this debate you're having. Seriously...that would be freakin fantastic. [email protected] - Wed, 17 Mar 2004 2:44am | ||
| A*Funk User Info... | ...speaking of school... A guy in my Environmental Studies class just made a presentation about a paper he's going to write on a farm in South Carolina that turns pig shit into crude oil. Seriously.. apparently they've mastered the process to decompose an animal's carbon compounds into the right compounds (butane, propane, octane, etc.) for fuel oil. It produces gas for your car, train or plane, and without the sulfides and nitrates that occur in traditional hydrocarbons (that means reduced acid rain folks!). PLUS it deals with the problem of finding a place to put all that excess pig shit... it doesn't just up and walk away! So, why are even thinking about investing billions in a questionable oil rig when we could spend billions on making this a marketable Canadian technology? - Thu, 18 Mar 2004 6:36am | ||
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