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| Message Board > General Chitchat > i have beef |
| phillip roundhouse User Info... | With that dude who goes around plastering posterboards with huge blankets of posters for element night club and festivals. Yea it's a free country. But seriously. Dick move. You represent all that is wrong and soulless. Best be watchin himself out there - Wed, 26 Aug 2009 8:34pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | This is Steve from Metropol. We handle the poster contract for Element Night Club and if you are talking about my staff member who does the posterboards, his name is Kevin and he is a great person with a kind soul. Firstly, you need to be aware that dozens on promoters work out of Element so before you make your 'beef' public, you should have a clear idea of who you are talking to. Secondly, if you are threatening my staff member and friend on a public message board, you best be calling me before you overstep yourself. 250-384-7653 - Wed, 26 Aug 2009 9:01pm | ||
| TheBlack Pixie User Info... | It's a war zone out in the postering world. Just keep postering and stop whining. - Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:19pm | ||
| phillip roundhouse User Info... | Hey buds, no personal threatening intended here. Just saying, have some god damn respect for other bands before you go plastering over everyone else's fucking posters in this city. And you know god damn well who I'm talking about, if your boy is the guy who comes by with a huge chain of posters made up already that covers the whole board. A lot of time is spent making posters and putting them up by people from the bands they are advertising and you go up and plaster over everything in one fell swoop. Stop being pricks, those boards are for everybody and you best be knowing I'm not the only one who feels this way. In fact I saw an ad on craigslist which inspired me to make this one. I saw the guy today watch people put up posters on a board (2 were put up by 2 different pairs of people), and then 5 minutes later go and plaster over the whole board. Nice way to give new local bands a chance, eh? Your guy may be a kind soul but obviously cares little to none about local acts as he is steamrolling their posters with absolutely no regard. This makes him a prick, as much as it makes you a prick for defending this bullshit. So personally, I am not threatening this dude (pretty mellow guy myself, but pissed), but I know more than a few people who'd love to catch the guy in the act. Respect. Have some. I don't spend hours everyday putting up posters (over dead/same day ads, MIND YOU) so some asshat can come by and cover it with a bunch of stupid shit. (oh yea, we need to know what drink specials go down on wednesday at element) Definitely ripped a few off tonight myself out of spite for this douche. Just sayin. I would propose, that you look at the shit that's up before you steamroll the whole thing. I know you're a business, and in business efficiency is key. But I got plenty of time after work every day for rippin your shit down. And you best believe I will be, if it covers me or my friends' or any band I know's stuff. Have some respect or get rolled. Put up a poster about -that-, son. And hang it on your office door. Thanks - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 2:41am Edited: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 3:14am | ||
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| phillip roundhouse User Info... | Where'd you find that picture of me? - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:12am | ||
| conga User Info... | I thought Steve was the reason we have those poles, are they not due to metropol?? I can see if your taking about a community bill board but those poles are designated for metropol, right? All I can say is thanks to Steve you can promo your gig at a good cost. I for one am thankful for Steve and his hard work. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:29am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | The whole point of Metropol is that they're trying to give everyone fair posterage. Before Metropol, you'd put up your posters and they'd be covered up in minutes by some other band or event. Now, everyone gets Metropol to do all the downtown poster poles with a fair rotation. The bad side is that your posters get covered if you do it yourself (but they would anyways if there was no Metropol, as history shows). The cost is very low (about the same as doing it yourself) and you'll get fair rotation on all of the poster poles. By ripping down other people's posters, you're... well that's a dick move. You're basically doing the same thing that you're accusing them of doing, except they're trying to do it in a fair and organized way to give everyone a chance. You're just doing it because you think your events and your friends events are more important than other people's events. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:46am | ||
| phillip roundhouse User Info... | Didn't touch any for local acts or bands. Just clubs and drink specials and shit like that. Basically, pay these assholes to do a job you can yourself for free, or don't use the cylinders. Here's from the City of victoria site: * Posters fitting these criteria should be respected when new posters are being installed. Posters violating these criteria may be removed. * No one party has a greater right to access the cylinders than another. Apparently metropol can pick and choose which rules they want to follow, cause they definitely ignored these two. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:22am | ||
| wheate User Info... | Hey Phillip just want to clarify what you're pissed off about. What exactly did you see? One giant poster made up of individual 11x17's with a size of close to 6ft x 3ft (which I saw in the past and hated as well) or the fact that there are other posters out there that aren't yours? Kevin never tears posters down that aren't passed the date of the event, I can attest to this. As much as I love these threads popping up every month or so calling us assholes I would encourage ANYONE who has any questions at all to come down to our office and chat with either me (Andy) or Steve, we'd be happy to hear your point of view. Metropol 1322 Broad St Studio E Buzzer 24 - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:39am | ||
| Nancy fucking Grace User Info... | Not to support Element or any of those places, but why shouldn't they have the same opportunity to advertise their establishment? If they are paying the same as everyone else? Postering downtown has been an issue for years, but as far as I see it(and I don't think I'm alone) Metropol offers a very affordable and efficient service. Maybe you should pull your head from your ass and see it as a group of people working together to make the scene here better, not tear down someone elses work. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 1:45pm Edited: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 1:46pm | ||
| Kyle User Info... | Basically, pay (them) to do a job you can yourself for free, or don't use the cylinders. Metropol has made postering feasible for people who have stuff to do other than hang out down town all day & cover up each other's posters every five minutes. Besides, if the two or three bands on the bill can't afford the $100 to pay for some postering, then they've got a bigger problem than Metropol. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 2:22pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | I would just like to clarify some misconceptions about the cost of our core postering service. We charge $0.20 per poster to put up. This is the same rate that everyone pays, without exception. This is to ensure that we have quality staff that are compensated fairly to do a job that is quite difficult and thankless, especially on the rainy February mornings. We have charged $0.20 per poster for years and will not increase it in the foreseeable future (you can quote me on that). As long as this portion of our business pays for itself, we will continue to expand on our printing and design services - the main focus of our business activities these days. It takes three hours to do a core poster route. The average quantity of posting that happen per day, per poster is 25 posters spread out over our morning and evening runs. That means that each client pays $5 per day, or $2.50 per three hour poster run, or $0.83 per postering hour. Is your time worth more than a $0.83 per hour? If so, feel free to give us a call. We are in the business of putting up posters so promoters and event planners have more time to do the dozen of other things they should be doing to promote their events. As Andy mentioned above, if you have any questions or concerns at all, please give us a call or stop by during office hours. For the record, we constantly hear from touring bands and national promoters that we have the most efficient and inexpensive postering system in the entire country. Come down and see what we can do for you. P.S. Although I understand your frustration, ripping down posters doesn't hurt us. Those events are not ours, nor do we have a financial stake in them. The people you are hurting care as much about their events as you do, regardless of whether you see that value in them or not. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 5:16pm | ||
| Grimlord the stonedinater User Info... | phillip roundhouse should definitely use you guys....Then he would be in the loop...and not ripping down others well deserved advertising.You do an awesome job at metropol, keep it the same please...We need people like yourself's to make it more viable for us lowly folk. - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 6:52pm Edited: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 6:52pm | ||
| Nancy fucking Grace User Info... | Mr. Roundhouse should have appropriately named this thread "I have sand in my mangina." Secondly you should have not used a name obviously pertaining to Chuck Norris as he is most definatly not a whiny little bitch, and you son, are. Thirdly, if you are so concerned about people coming to your show, why don't you advertise on here? You have no problem calling out a legit buisness for taking away from the attendence, but what amazing show are we all missing out on? - Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:35pm Edited: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:36pm | ||
| phillip roundhouse User Info... | name's got nothin to do with Chuck... though Chuck's alright I only took a few posters off that were covering the ones that were put up not 5 minutes before... I'm not enough of a dick to actually run round ripping off people's shit. Not gonna advertise the posters I did put up under this name anyways, cause they're good folk and don't need to be associated with my actions. But seriously, yes you guys do a good job at what you do, but you take away the opportunity for anyone else to even use these boards. Yea it may be easier for some to go through you but there are many people out there who still do it themselves. You are like the fat kid who takes all the candy from the bowl, you know.. fair play, but serious dick move. Ignoring everyone else who missed the point and moving on to what you said there wheate, it's not that there are other posters out there, that's great. It's more to do with the guy throwing up the 3ft x 6ft blanket you described, without regard for anything else on the board. I guess you work for em but come on, you have to agree that's no good. We throw a poster up, it doesn't even last a day before it's gone. I'm done ranting about this now. Let em clarify I was not threatening buddy in any way up there... not that kinda guy. Also apologies for the insults, I was heated right the fuck up about this thing, not my usual style. - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 2:33am | ||
| Grimlord the stonedinater User Info... | "name's got nothin to do with Chuck... though Chuck's alright" Did he not see the old Quinn vs Chuck Norris thread ...? Who would win in a rounhouse fight?? - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 5:21am | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Yeah...it sucks that one company has pretty much exclusive use of the poster cylinders downtown, and that they completely cover the cylinders twice a day....but every city of size has this. Larger cities have compting companies. the thing that pisses me off about Metropole is that they not only cover over everyone elses posters....but they cover over their own posters...sometime's with the same posters. Why...becaus ethey have a contract to put up X amount of posters in X amount of days. It just seems like a real waste of paper. I understand ripping down their posters to uncover posters you'd put up the day before, etc. What's wrong with that...saves one sheet of 11X17 paper if you can just rip off the poster that they covered yours with. The thing that pissed me off about this thread is Metropol Steve saying that down posters doesn't hurt them. Bullshit. You job is to advertise these events...don't tell me that ripping down posters doesn't hurt you. If I followed your posterer around twice a day, ripping down every poster that he put up...you guys would be outa business pretty quick. You DO have a financial stake in every event you poster for. Your business relies on these people paying you to do something they could do themselves. If their events don't make money, they won't be able to afford to use your services...if they don't have successfull events, you don't have a business. Personally, I hate the fact that one company posters over everything on the Cylinders, twice daily. The people that can pay to have their events promoted the most are usually the people that need the least promotion. They hand this company a buncha money to have hundreds of their posters blanketed around the city...while the dude who puts on a show with money out of his own pocket, and spends his free time putting up the posters he just photocopied at Staples, only to have them covered up 3 hours later by posters for some bif event that is also advertising on TV, Radio and on the side of freakin' busses. - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 8:15am | ||
| Tyler User Info... | does this anti metropol drivel really need to happen again and again and again? - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:52pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... |  It never fails to amaze me that people come to conclusions about our business and post them here as fact. Here's a few actual facts for you from someone that has been involved in the poster industry in Victoria every day for over seven years. FACT: You guys have no idea how close you were to losing the cylinders entirely in 2003. The situation was so bad out there that the City was going to get rid of them. Metropol was founded as a solution to an existing problem that needed to be fixed. Badly. FACT: One of the main mandates of this company was to reduce postering waste. We have reduced the quantity of posters that are put up in this city and have created a system that less posters are put up per show with comparable results. I have the market research we did in 2002 to prove this. FACT: The cylinders that were originally put up were designed to hold 6 posters. The new cylinders that are in place (that hold 12) were lobbied for by us, designed by us, and placed with consultation from us. This process took three years of work. We are in constant contact with the City of Victoria regarding their upkeep and maintenance. They City has stated that the poles look better and are better managed since our inception. FACT: The Metropol system is designed so posters are not put up over themselves. It's a dual rotation system that took years to work out the kinks and is very time consuming to facilitate. The posters that go up on a pole in the morning are a completely different set of posters that the ones that are put up at night. We do make the occasional mistake when a poster jumps rotation, but these situations are rare. FACT: Metropol has a long history of helping out local bands and promoters. We sponsor dozens of events every year. In fact, we offered a promo deal for all-ages shows on this very board not 12 hours before this flame war (see post under General Chitchat). FACT: I am proud of the seven years I have put into this business. I know in my heart that we've done a good thing and that the music community in this city is stronger because of it. You can call me 'douche', 'prick' and 'asshat' until the cows come home. My conscience is clear. None of you have the right to decide which posters belong on the poles, and neither do we. We know that we cover posters when we put up posters - but so do you. It's interesting that when your poster gets covered, you forget about the one you covered to put it up in the first place. - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 1:15pm | ||
| Kyle User Info... | does this anti metropol drivel really need to happen again and again and again? No, it doesn't. - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 1:31pm | ||
| Daners User Info... | I think Steve has done a pretty damn good job over the years. Plus he's a stand up guy. - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 3:23pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | yeah - what Tyler said. BIG TIME - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 5:35pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... | I just thought of the best marketing strategy and it's better than postering (free too). AND I'm going to give you this little beauty for absolutely nothing. This thread has over 500 views and Tyler is right; we've done this a dozen times before. So ...here's the marketing strategy. What you do is make some comments about Metropol and how we've ruined postering. I'll respond like I always do, with long-winded responses to half-baked accusations. This goes on for a while, with the random insults thrown at all parties. When it looks like things are getting heated up... - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 8:03pm | ||
| Metropol Steve User Info... |  Totally free. Zero waste. Thanks livevictoria! - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 8:05pm Edited: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 8:25pm | ||
| TheBlack Pixie User Info... | Cheers steve- to all the work you do. P.S. I am SERIOUSLY coming to pick up/pay for my poster order ASAP....I've been sick/I just frickin forgot - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 9:06pm | ||
| Grimlord the stonedinater User Info... | Thumbs up for that Steve... Just get out your flamethrowers and war it up... It will be the best advertising to hit that slow thinker underachiever, quick to make assumptions demographic. - Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:57pm | ||
| wheate User Info... | Hey Phillip, is your name James? - Sat, 29 Aug 2009 3:01pm | ||
| phillip roundhouse User Info... | I'm not James. You have some good points Steve, but I still think you guys should have more respect for people you are covering. Yea I cover up posters when I put mine up, but I make sure to only put them up over ones that have happened already or are happening in the next day or two if I have to. You can go on all you want about how awesome you are and all you do for the music scene in this city but it still doesn't change the fact that you are basically destroying anyone else's chances to use the cylinders unless they pay you to do it for them. - Sat, 29 Aug 2009 3:24pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | Phillip I couldn't agree with you more. - Sat, 29 Aug 2009 5:42pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | While it may seem like Metropol is fucking you over, before they were around it was more cut-throat than this and it was the bars themselves doing the fucking over. It wasn't just the downtown cylinders, but also anywhere else you would poster. Honestly, I don't think that downtown postering helps all that much anyway...of course that depends on what you are promoting. Generally live music shows are best advertised via Monday Mag and the internet in my opinion. Your bellyaching will not stop Metropol from doing their thing. If anything, it may end up causing more gripe between all factions, although Metropol don't seem phased by your anger and really shouldn't be. Poster outside of downtown and I assure you you will have the same or better results. - Sat, 29 Aug 2009 7:10pm | ||
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