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Ted Leo/Manitoba Refunds
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| atomique User Info... | We apologize to all those who purchased tickets for Ted Leo and Manitoba, Saturday September 27th at Logan's. Unfortunatly the event was shut down by The City Of Victoria due to liquor license issues. Ticket stub holders may return their ticket stubs to their point of purchase (either Lyle's Place or Ditch Records) for a choice of a partial refund of $6.00 or an exchange for a ticket to DJ Vadim (Ninja Tunes) Friday October 10th at Legends. Those of you that purchased tickets at the door may contact us at [email protected] Please note that in these situations it is impossible to organize immediate refunds at the venue, and that it was never our intent to inconvinence anyone. Situations like this are extremly rare, and we hope that everyone who was in attendance will be understanding, and cooperative. Thank You, Atomique Productions SOS Productions - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:48pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | What were the issues with the liquor license? - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 1:07pm | ||
| Chris Logan User Info... | Apparently the entire incident was set off by some jackass throwing a beer can at a passing police car. This put the police in a nasty humor, and an incident which probably could've been settled more amicably turned sour fast. - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 2:27pm | ||
| mob User Info... | sounds like time for a lynchin' - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 3:11pm | ||
| jake User Info... | what the fuck? we get a PARTIAL refund? for seeing none of manitoba whatsoever? thats a fuckin joke i'd go to vadim if a better dj wasnt spinning that night (freaky flow and flipside). shitty buzz - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 5:56pm | ||
| J.F.K.F.C. User Info... | Amen - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 6:33pm | ||
| bushwick User Info... | i was at the ted leo show and it was a shame that a idiot had to wreck it and the police had to be take it so far. but the thing that was even worse was the way i saw peoiple treat the staff and Malcolm(sos), it seems that some people do not remember that before sos came along and put the amazing amount of work in that he does this city had very few good big shows, he does this work for the people in this city and brings bands that have something to offer and very few other people would bring.i think this city should be thanking malcolm and support him even more in the future 12 dollars is a small price to pay for years of work that guy has done. and in the future go ahead and fuck with the police just do it from a park where you can run away. - Mon, 29 Sep 2003 8:32pm | ||
| MD User Info... | I'm assuming you get a partial refund because you saw half the bill, dumb-ass...Ted Leo ain't no slouch. - Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:36pm | ||
| jake User Info... | im all about ted leo, i got see all of 15 minutes and him cut short - Wed, 1 Oct 2003 3:35am | ||
| shit happens User Info... | I hope the people who are complaining about refunds have considered that the promoters would still have had to pay the bands, and if everyone collects on their refunds these expenses are paid out of pocket. I would also hope that these people clamouring for an extra 4-6 dollars realise that without these promoters working in the city, bands like Manitoba and Ted Leo and all of the other acts that have started to come to Victoria over the last three or four years wouldn't be making the trip. Before SOS was doing these shows they didn't exist. Blaming the situation on Logan's is equally ridiculous: they do not want to turn anyone away at the door, nor should they have to put up some protective netting around the patio to keep the drunks in order. This is an unfortunate situation that is a product of some bad luck--I find it more dissapointing and, to a large degree, disgusting, that the same people who have been trumpeting their love for Ted Leo and Manitoba are now crying for their money back (the price of a beer or two). Remember that a sleazy promoter would have shrugged his or her shoulders and said "sorry, you didn't play, so you get nothing," which would insure that the aforementioned bands (and their labelmates/friends bands) wouldn't be forking over the ferry fare to come to a city that has absolutely no claim to bringing real bands to its small population except an honest promoter and a good bar. - Wed, 1 Oct 2003 9:23am | ||
| Gman User Info... | Seems to me this happened because: SOMEONE HIT A COP CAR WITH A BEER. What's with all this 'blaming' of Logan's and the promoters? I doubt very much that there was anything anyone could do after: SOMEONE HIT A COP CAR WITH A BEER. Here is a good way to end a show, party, etc: SOMEONE HIT A COP CAR WITH A BEER. Gman - Wed, 1 Oct 2003 3:45pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | This is the third time in a few months that I've heard of gigs (regular or one off) being cancelled because the City of Victoria have had their knickers in a knot about something..... What the fuck? Let's ask Alan Lowe why he stopped the Rock...... - Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:05pm | ||
| bearhead User Info... | hehehe.....freaky flow and flipside, sounds wicked dude! Where DO they come up with such funkarelic names?! - Sun, 5 Oct 2003 7:47pm | ||
| catgrrljpfk User Info... | apparently, logan's had 196 ppl in there (it was fun!) when their liquor license was for, like, 65. still, props for even getting the bands over here. - Mon, 6 Oct 2003 2:52pm | ||
| greg User Info... | Yes, that thing about blaming the cops never made any sense. It that thing about putting too many people in the club is true, then the club should provide full refunds. It doesn't make any different how well intentioned the club is, etc. If you fuck up, then you provide refunds. - Mon, 6 Oct 2003 3:48pm | ||
| bearhead User Info... | Greg... I NOT SURE YOU UNDERSTANDING THE STORY HERE. Several people on this spool have their facts wrong, so when 'hard knocks' realists like YOUSELF decided to 'lay down the bottom line' it ends up sounding a little melodramatic. Besides...Things are going to work out fine for everyone, DOES YOU really care about 4 or 5 or even 15 WHOLE dollars that you won't get back because a really bad situation (and one stupid fuckup with a beer can in particular) ruined the show? Don't forget that musicians, music lovers and the like owe much to Logan's for being a venue that contiually hosts touring bands (many of which they do not make money on) and deal with the over saturated egos that become many of the "genius" rockers that inhabit this city. I won't go on. but Greg...you should be so lucky. - Mon, 6 Oct 2003 4:06pm | ||
| greg User Info... | It's not the money, it's the principle. If Wal-Mart sells you half a toaster oven, you don't say, "Oh, that's OK man" because Wal-mart provides a services by selling lots of cool cheap stuff. Well, maybe you do.... - Mon, 6 Oct 2003 9:14pm | ||
| jackass User Info... | I think you are all missing the important action item here: we need to find out who threw the beer and beat him silly for wasting it, on a cop car no less. FOR SHAME!! - Tue, 7 Oct 2003 2:07pm | ||
| DEATH User Info... | Capacity = 150, Logan's was being quite the opposite of assholes by not beating the excess out the door, and if asshole A: never threw a beer can his extremely useless waste of skin self had smuggled into a fucking show, the cops would have never stopped and came in looking for a reason to shut the place down, they found one. Quit your bitching!!!! I went down to van a while ago to see inflames and they diddnt even show up because Iced earth's drummer diddnt want to do the show and inflames thought they were nobotys so just went with iced earth... You diddnt see us bitching up a storm, noone gave me back my travel expenses nor anyone else... As far as I'm concerned this fuck up wasn't even all that bad from the crowds eyes so please, if you have to go off at a single person, make it the loser who felt the need to smuggle in his fucking wildcat then throw it at a passing police cruiser. Not the place that diddnt beat you out the doors of a show you wanted to go to and got in trouble for it. - Tue, 7 Oct 2003 2:54pm | ||
| greg User Info... | There's lots of conflicting reports here, however, it appears to me Logans overexceeded its capacity. In that case, if it is true then Logans WERE being assholes by putting too many people in their club. They don't do it out of any altruistic reasons, believe me. They do it to make money. If the cops shut down the club for being over its capacity, then it's the club's fault. And the decent thing to do is to offer refunds to the patrons -- after all, it's not their fault the club is fucking around. This isn't rocket science. Don't be distract by the "yeah-but -the-club-does-so-much-good-for-Victoria-and-besides my-half-assed-band-gets-to-play-there" bullshit. Business is business. - Tue, 7 Oct 2003 5:17pm | ||
| buffon User Info... | I have been to Logan's when there were even more peeps in there and I have never seen any cops near the vicinity. How many bands do you think would play there if there were only 65 peeps watching them. Perhaps you should avoid that place in the future just in case you might lose your hard earn 5 bucks. - Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47pm | ||
| greg User Info... | Peeps? - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 6:55am | ||
| Bong User Info... | I suspect that the 65 person licence is a left over from the days when Logans was Thursdays and the stage was in the front window. The fact that Logans even exsists is fucking amazing! The neighbours have tried to shut it down because of noise, the city tried to shut it down because of smoking...the fact is that Chris and his brothers have worked hard to steadily improve this club! Back in the day I played Thursdays when 100 people really packed the place, there was only one exit and to put it nicely a low tech audio system! By moving the stage to the back and opening up the pool room the Logan Bros have made it possible to accomodate some of the touring bands that come our way and have increased the capicity of their room. In case you don't know the city can be a fucking hassel to deal with....I would imagine that what may seem a simple thing,( to change a licence from 65 to say 165),is really a fucking nightmare....and the fact is that Logans can easily and safely accomodate 165 people... The only fault here lies with the idiot who throws beer cans at cop cars. I agree with the poster who said we should beat his ass for wasting prefectly good beer on cops, those assholes don't deserve good beer! Fuckin loser! Sticky Kola - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 9:16am | ||
| DEATH User Info... | Greg - I see you have your views and opinions which obviously Im not going to say are invalid, but man, that last bit was pretty over the line man. TO START OFF!!!!!!!!!!! Logan's capacity is not 65 it is 150, and you don't know what kinda bitching Logan's had to do just for that. Secondly, you were %100 wrong with the shit about the door. Having arranged and promoted 2 shows there recently -SICK,Sonic Doom,Self Inflicted,Repulverizer- -Pariah, Repulverizer,Allfather,Kataklysm- I know exactly how the process works brom both sides. Logan's makes ZERO money on the door. Thats right ZERO. Logan's deal allways is, the door person and the sound guy get paid out of the door, after that EVERYTHING goes to the bands. Logan's just wants to host music and sell their tasty beverages and thats a fuck of alot more than alot of places can say. Logan's is truely a supporter of the music scene, the staff themselves are all great people, are all very much into alot of music and are thrilled to have all sorts of talent play in their place while they do their jobs. And while on both subjects, Logan's gave me my job, most definately not because they thought I was going to fill their pockets because hey let's face it, as awesome as it is, it's heavy metal and this is victoria. The night was given to me to support the metal scene. Logan's allways thought EVO's mondays were the place locals could go to hear metal, and when they heard the night was soo diluted to the point the most metal youre going to get is some guns and roses at request, they thought, we should host a metal night. Heres a very memorable bit from my interview with Chris Logan about DJin Metal there: Me: So I do realize that this is a club and we are in victoria, and I am going to obviously have to throw in some mainstream bands and some slower old cheese stuff to get a better draw but..*interruption* CL:Why do you have to do that? Me:Well you know, because if I just play real metal all the time then those who aren't really into it might not be att... CL:Doesn't matter to me. What I want is for you to be able to DJ the music for a night that would be the sort of thing you and your friends would be interested in going to, screw selling beer really, it's a monday, mondays are allways slow, if it gets a huge draw then hell great but if not, dont worry about it, it will pick up in time, Everyone has a place to go to at least one night of the week where they can meet up with people of their like and have a few drinks etc. except for you metal heads, and we like metal, be like the metal crowd we get when hosting metal shows, and we'd like this to be your place you can go to and listen to the music you want to hear without ever having to worry about "no I'm sorry thats just too metal for tonite" *or something close to those words ahah* And well if that doesn't put you in the right view of Logan's I don't know what will, but trust me when I say, Logan's really is on the side of the Musician. And come on now, sure they may have had a few extra people in the bar, but what asshole brings cans of beer into a bar then throws them at a cop car, now come on, if that never happened we wouldn't even be having this discussion. - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:31am | ||
| greg User Info... | Most clubs make the cash from selling booze, not the door. Anyway, the point is that clubs have to follow whatever fucked up rules the City of Victoria comes up with. If they don't like those rules, then lobby for a different liquor/club licence, or get the bylaw changed. But don't try to blame blowing the gig on some dildo who tosses a beer can at a passing car, or whatever. And pal, as much as I respect club owners who really enjoy the music (and these people exist) the bottom line is that it's about money. From the club owner's point of view, that is. It's a business. - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 5:24pm | ||
| Gman User Info... | Huh... Greg: Glass houses. Never been to your place, but I must assume that perfection is not a claim you would make, either. Further to that, if you have any questions about Logan's, you should really take it up with the owners. A lot of gossip and conjecture is being thrown around about what the rules are, blah blah blah, but it really doesn't mean anything at all. If the police had wanted to shut the bar down that night, which they obviously did, any excuse would have done. I'm sure there are technicalities about every little thing that, if enforced to the very letter of the law, could be used to close ANY business in Victoria, should anyone wish to be a bitch about it. As I stated in another thread, I can only assume that you're the one who threw the beer and you're just trying to divert the blame. Gman - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 6:06pm | ||
| greg User Info... | Uh... no GMan. I didn't throw the beer. And overloading a club with people is pretty basic stuff. It's like, if your club is licenced to hold 100 people, then if you have 123 in there, it can be shut down. But these are pretty lofty philosophical concepts, so.. yeah, you win. Cops are all bad, the club was just trying to make everyone happy. - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 9:56pm | ||
| kingkongbomb User Info... | i agree with your safety concerns with over crowding. but logans was under the fire capacity limit, wich is different then thier liquor capacity. So they didn't put anyones safety at risk. - Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:43pm | ||
| Gman User Info... | Uh. Greg. Did you talk to Chris or John at Logan's to come up with your information? If not, STFU already. I stand by my accusation. It seems self-evident. Gman - Thu, 9 Oct 2003 8:03am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I think we all know that it was Bruce Coburn who threw that beer at the cops, in which case greg is directly responsible. - Thu, 9 Oct 2003 3:08pm | ||
| dog User Info... | Wow... This is like watching exchanges of witticisms at the Algonquin Round Table. Especially, you Mr. Heck. - Thu, 9 Oct 2003 3:38pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Word on the street is that Logan's stopped letting people in at about the 150 mark but somebody (not an employee of Logan's but intimately involved with the show) allowed at least 30 more people into the club. So if you have a beef it would be with this nameless person, not Logan's. There is absolutely no benefit to Logan's for them to over pack their bar; too many people and the bar can't keep up with the beer orders so the benefit is nil. Whoever gets the door take, however, has a far greater incentive to let in as many people as will pay the cover. The show was apparently promoted by Atomique (with help from SOS productions) which makes a lot of sense to me. They have a thread elsewhere dealing with the disgruntled so you might want to go there to bitch. - Fri, 10 Oct 2003 5:29pm | ||
| jake User Info... | i understand that it wasnt the fault of atomique i was simply irritated that when i showed up at ditch to get my 6 dollar refund on the following friday (only day i could get away from school) i was told that i couldn't...seeing as how they advertised said half-refund online.. i wasnt even able to get 6 bucks off my Dears ticket... not to beat a dead horse or anything, but why bother offering it online if they werent actually willing to give it? - Fri, 10 Oct 2003 7:41pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Greg, I know it's been said, but you're a fucking idiot...... Chris Logan has to make money to keep the place open....... But he is on the side of the fucking musician..... If it was strictly about the bling-bling, he would be running an all Top 40 format and making MUCH more money....... Chris makes far less money supporting the rock than he wouldl bringing in pop DJs 5 nights of the week......... So either he cares about the fucking music, or he's a really stupid businessman...... Ask around and you'll quickly find out which..... - Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:42pm | ||
| some one User Info... | Shut up Knifeghost you poser. - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 9:08am | ||
| East Bay Ray User Info... | It's amazing he can talk at all, with Logan's cock stuffed in his mouth all the time.... - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 9:23am | ||
| norm User Info... | Yes. Musicians don't have to kiss club owners butts ALL the time. After all, people are coming for the music... I think if a concert gets messed up at your club, you provide refunds, take the high road. The customer doesn't give a shit about all the behind the scenes stuff. - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:07pm | ||
| Bong User Info... | The 'customer' ,for the most part, is a stupid shit. The 'customer' does not have a clue who is responsible for the show. The 'customer' is too stupid to get the idea that the club had nothing to do with the money from the show.. LOGAN'S DID NOT SEE A DIME FROM ONE SINGLE TICKET! The 'customer' is so greedy and moronic, no matter how may people say it, to understand that this was an ATOMIQUE Productuion, they are the ones who have your money..and guess what? They already spent it on something else! How long ya gonna bitch about $6 bucks losers? Kola - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 1:21pm | ||
| Gman User Info... | You know, I must say that I love the messages that pop out of the King Bong clan. Real sweethearts over in that corner, no? Gman - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 1:56pm | ||
| norm User Info... | Bong - You're a legendary big mouth who's in some kind of half-assed band, right? Like, you're not gonna last long with your arrogant attitude TOWARDS THE PEOPLE THAT PAY TO LISTEN TO YOU CRAPPY MUSIC. You knob. - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 4:32pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Sorry Norm & Gman but I'm with Bong. I'll keep this simple. Logan's has an official capacity of something like 150 (I forget the exact #). They recieve NOTHING from the door, not at shows that they put on, not at shows that others put on. This show was an Atomique show. Atomique got the door. There would be no reason whatsoever for Logan's to overstuff their club; as I said before they can't keep up with the beer orders and they run the risk of shit happening exactly like it happened at this show. They run the risk of even losing their business license if these things tend to happen too often. SOMEBODY let in way too many people at this show; it apparently wasn't the Logan's staff, so I'm guessing it had to be somebody promoting the show. Who it was remains a mystery. Your concerns should be adressed to the promoter of the show. Only if Logan's was the promoter of the show would you have a legitimate beef with the club. Now is that simple enough for you? - Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:07pm | ||
| Bong User Info... | Ya see GMAN us Bongsters don't suffer stupid assholes very well..yes that makes us abrasive sometimes, no all the time, so seeing as this message board is filled with stupid shits who THINK that they know something about music or the business..We at Bong Incorporated take pleasue flaming said assholes , any illusions that something positive could come from this negative sluge pit is a joke! And what band were you in Norm?? the fat bastard ex cheers band?? shut up ya fuckin loser NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ANYTHING..come see me I'll give ya your refund..bitch.. LOL, Ya fuckin six dollar loser! Oh and Normy boy... only smart people come out to Bong shows..it helps to be educated to understand what we do..that's why I 've never seen you there! KOLA - - Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:52pm | ||
| norm User Info... | Bong - You're a know-nothing vulgarian, so your comments don't merit a response. (Plus your band, really, really sucks). Zippgunn - I appreciate your courteous response (take note, Bong-head, if you can read) but disagree. In a case like this, it's best to look at it in a business, or legal sense. The nub of the problem is who is responsible, not who to blame. Logan's is the club. What happens in the club is the responsibilityof Logan's. It doesn't matter that Logan's aren't making cash from the door. They allowed Atomique to stage a show at their venue. If Atomique fucks up, that's a shame, but Logan's (at least in principle) hired Atomique, or at least gave permission to use their club. If someone let's in too many people, it's Logan's fault. They must be responsible for their premises. If a guy from Atomique is manning the door, that doesn't matter. Logan's is responsible. Saying "go after the promoter" does not make legal or business sense, although in moral terms it may make plenty of sense. For instance, if the Commodore hosts a show and it gets fucked up and people demand refunds, the Commodore doesn't say "go after the promoter". The Commodore takes responsibility for what happens on its premises. Or say you go to a restaurant, Swiss Chalet or whatever. If you bite into a steak and it's stuffed with a fishhook, Swiss Chalet doesn't say "Hey, it's the guy that supplies us with beef" . Swiss Chalet takes the responsibility. It's their premises. That is the key issue here. That's how it would be seen in a court of law (not that it would go that far, of course.). - Fri, 17 Oct 2003 4:02pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | I'll kiss as much of whoevers ass as I want....... That said, pass me a can of beer, I see a police car...... - Fri, 17 Oct 2003 6:45pm | ||
| Gman User Info... | Bong: Consider this possibility: You are the asshole others must suffer. Gman - Mon, 20 Oct 2003 7:21am | ||
| bearhead User Info... | I like King Bong's funkarific stoner vibes dudes! I'll never get tired of thinly cryptical pot innuendo! smoke out yer brains dudes. - Mon, 20 Oct 2003 4:48pm | ||
| norm User Info... | Yeah - King Bong is a real philospher king. - Tue, 21 Oct 2003 4:04pm | ||
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