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| josh User Info... | August 23rd, Victoria's music scene is going to be featured in a one hour special on muchmusic. Performing will be Moneyshot, Grace Nocturnal, Jets Overhead, Big Muff, Insides Out, and Lapp Electro. - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 2:05am | ||
| C.H.U.D. User Info... | any good bands? - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 2:24am | ||
| ballz andy User Info... | well fuckin said - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 1:30pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | Who are Insides Out? - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 5:28pm | ||
| Ryan Bill User Info... | how typical that Muchmusic would pick boring, generic bands for their victoria "special" event thus missing the entire musical brilliance of our local scene. oh well..you have to go with what's safe. - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 9:25pm | ||
| pablo retardo User Info... | hey now...stop the hating. i like moneyshot... jealous much? - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:01pm | ||
| Wreaker of Havoc User Info... | Now I harrass ML7 to no end but come on theyve been around for over 7 years and deserve to be involved with this. What about the Dayglos? They fucking pack venues better than any local act out there. I think thats worth a look by Much. Weak.... - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:13pm | ||
| dan conner User Info... | Ya know what. ML7 Should be there! Dayglos, however, I am not thinking would work on muchmusic. Sorry, but come on. By the way! I WILL be at that show, dragging as many of my dorky music friends along as I can! and I'm getting tickets ASAP! Dan Conner - Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:30pm | ||
| tidbit User Info... | Just so everyone knows, the Dayglos are now living in Toronto. Call me a liar but my buddy works for Epitaph and says he keeps running into them in the clubs out there and insists they are there in a permanent fashion. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:28am | ||
| weapon of ass destruction User Info... | Gymbo still lives in T.O. and Bonehead's there running the other Old Nick's most of the time. Back to topic...ditto Pablo's comment. Who's to say they won't give props to other bands too? Who knows, with Much Mucous I'm surprised they're not just talking about Nelly Furtaco. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:16pm | ||
| ballz andy User Info... | matt that name fuckin rules!! - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:32pm | ||
| lily_liquor User Info... | I'm not Matt and neither's Pablo if that's what yer thinkin... - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:41pm | ||
| pablo retardo User Info... | no, my name's not matt, and you don't know who i am lily, but i know you!! mwahahaha - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 2:33pm | ||
| Brandon User Info... | Why does anyone here give a shit what much music gets themselves involved with??? Much Music is fucking horrible and if you pay attention to them you might just end up listening to music made for stupid people. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 2:56pm | ||
| Etard User Info... | Much Music did not choose those bands, these are the bands that Victoria has chosen to showcase. A spotlight on Vic music without Carolyn Mark, it is laughable. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 4:38pm | ||
| C.H.U.D. User Info... | agreed - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 5:35pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | Just for the record... MuchMusic didn't decide who's playing. The people running the stage in Centennial Square did. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 6:15pm | ||
| Abuse Of Power User Info... | Yeah and they call it "Open Air". In Europe Open Air means Metal festival. Local organizers seem to be afraid of heavy or aggressive music. Always have been. I would love to blast out on that stage. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 6:42pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | ya dicks, boneheads' back now. i drove over/past him last week. fucktards.... - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 7:24pm | ||
| Duder User Info... | It is hilarious that Carolyn Mark is not a part of the Much Music thing, what with a video and being the pentultimate touring musician, it is such bullshit it is laughable. Carolyn Mark IS the music scene in Vic. On the flipside, it's kind of awesome, because Much doesn't really deserve to figure out what's really happening in the city. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 9:20pm | ||
| Brett User Info... | who the fuck is Carolyn Mark??? - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 9:51pm | ||
| Johny Howard User Info... | never you mind tough guy. - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:37pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | no man, who is she? she sure as shit aint the music scene here chach..... - Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:52pm | ||
| woolly User Info... | i refuse to argue with you...........................................see.i'm refusing to argue with you...............bye then - Sat, 2 Aug 2003 2:15pm | ||
| pirateman User Info... | Everyone should realise that the bands in Victoria who are actually interesting and play great music will never be asked to get involved in something like this much music thing! When the rest of the country sees the show, most people will assume that all Victoria has to offer is lame and unexciting music.The odd person may realise that it is not a good portrayal of our music scene because they may be in a band in another city who never got asked to do a similiar thing! All the great bands from Victoria like Frogeyes,run chico run,carolyn mark, the fine options,woolly mammoth etc.do not need a crap much music show, people who see them play in other cities will appreciate them, I am from another city and I do! - Sat, 2 Aug 2003 7:27pm | ||
| Frank the Clown User Info... | Wait a second you fucking idiots. I have seen a few of those bands and I happened to find a few of them quite entertaining. Daniel Lapp is one of the greatest artists to have emerged from this city. So pull your heads out of your ass cracks before you go slaggin' other bands because they're not metal. This place is like a shed full of dull tools. - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 9:19am | ||
| Spark User Info... | while I might agree that the bands are great stage worthy musicans, It still is an incredably inaccurate representation of the vic scene. The line up is a group of very similar bands playing a very narrow disposition of genre rock. just my opinion. - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:02pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | what's much music? - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:19pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | Can somebody please tell me something about Insides Out? They're not even listed in this site's directory. How the hell did they get a spot on this show? And I should clarify my earlier post... the bands were picked by Nick from Atomique, not the Open Air people. - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:33pm | ||
| Rivi User Info... | I'm pretty sure that Atomique suggested a list of bands and then Much Music had the final word -which is why the bands fit the Much format. - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 3:49pm | ||
| bearhead User Info... | oh yes of course....Nick Blasko! What a fine and decerning music lover he is. oh I change my tune..this show shall be of a grand nature I'm sure. hey! how much cash will it generate?! Will the grandchildren get video footage of their aged elders gracing the national pop TV waves? - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 5:56pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | I don't think Lappelectro fits into the traditional MuchMusic sound... - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 6:20pm | ||
| Jack User Info... | wow. HAHAHAHAHAHA! It's almost hard to believe how bitter all you punk/metal fucks are. Looks like the Logan's crowd is pissed off, maybe Wooly Mammoth can play the after party? - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 8:23pm | ||
| Masturbating The War God User Info... | those bastards at staying at the Travellers Inn I work at. I heard a few days ago about it, I am not that excited, they are going to be messy and rude, so I've been told. - Sun, 3 Aug 2003 8:54pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Pirateman has good taste..... - Mon, 4 Aug 2003 2:50am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Congrats to the bands who are involved in this show! Hopefully it helps you in reaching your goals sooner. As far as we go, we are used to being excluded from the mainstream, but that is the trade off for playing music we love instead of playing a different style just to get on Mainstream Much. As far as MuchMusic goes, we did appear on Loud this past weekend, so it isn't a big deal. Nice to hear people and Wreaker throwing us support though! Thanks guys! - Mon, 4 Aug 2003 4:01pm | ||
| dan conner User Info... | When do tickets go on sale? I was downtown saturday, and both ditch and lyles (who SUPPOSEDLY had tickets, those bastards!) both said: "I dunno if there are even tickets, but we definitely don't have them". Same words! oh well. And I can't find them on ticketweb, only one more place... so I was wondering if they weren't oot yet or something... yeah. - Tue, 5 Aug 2003 9:57am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | what's Much music? - Tue, 5 Aug 2003 2:01pm | ||
| LBG User Info... | just to let you know i was able to buy a ticket at lyle's place today and there was no confusion about it. happy ticket hunting - Tue, 5 Aug 2003 6:32pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Hey everybody, it's only Muchmusic, so who cares? I used to get down a bit when my bands were passed over for this sort of thing but upon long reflection I realised that being excluded from "media events" like these meant a lot of positive things. Like the fact that what I was doing was different from the mainstream (a constant goal of mine). Or the fact that, since a single person (in this case a promoter) has chosen the bands (including one that I'm sure nobody even in Victoria has heard of) and that promotor is part of a cartel that I wouldn't piss on if they were collectively on fire, I have successfully stayed out of a loop that I WANT to stay out of, yet at the same time retain a considerable international presence all by myself. And imagine the satisfaction of playing out in TO or some other media centre and having the Much flacks say "Gee I've never heard of you" even though you've been in the business for over 20 years, releasing good records and touring all over the world. Then you realise that Muchmusic is just another bad promo organ run by people who are such scenemongers that they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about music; all they know is what is set down in front of them by publicists and promoter hacks. This is not to dis the bands that are appearing; I hope they have fun etc. but I sure hope the folks in Insides Out (whoever they are) don't think that they've made the "big time" (whatever that is) just yet. Or to put it in perspective a bit remember that Nomeansno have been on Much exactly once, well over 10 years ago, and they seem to be doing fine, career-wise. - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:01pm | ||
| June User Info... | wow. rejection hurts. this certain promoter you slag has done a lot for this city and has done a lot for local bands and bands just outside of this area. zippgunn sure is bitter, start a decent band, write some tolerable songs then see how you feel when someone asks you to be on muchmusic. and maybe you should ask around and find out who Insides Out is before you make assumptions. Maybe it's a person you HAVE heard of, and it's just his new group. and maybe this certain person has just finished an amazing video and releasing it soon. YOU CUNT! - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 1:01pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Mr. Cunt, to you June. And actually I have nothing at all against Nick himself, I think he's an OK guy; it's his partners that I detest, and, after all, you are judged by the company you keep. And even if Insides Out is a new band with a veteran or two in it, the fact remains that they have no profile in town, yet. I'm betting that the band has a close connection to Nick in some way, but complaining that the guy choosing the bands is favouring his pals is a tad naive; this kind of thing happens in almost every similar situation everywhere. Which is why I say who cares about this event; it should be fun for the bands and the crowd and maybe even the Much flacks, but to treat it like it's some big break for these bands or suchlike is not realistic, and I hope nobody gets their hopes up. And no, I'm not bitter; Muchmusic is usually the kiss of death, and I hope to never cross paths with any of them. Why do you think Much got Nick to choose the bands in the first place? That's right, not one of them could name a band from Vic if their lives depended on it, after all they are based in Toronto, the "epicentre of all Canadian music". And therein lies my cynicism. - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 1:34pm | ||
| Monkey Wanker User Info... | Uhh Scott Henderson's done a lot more for the local music scene than Nick Blasko, so maybe you want to rethink that statement there June - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 1:38pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | June, you sound like an immature, bitchy, brainless twat who is one of those losers who thinks that having a video means anything at all, just because you make one doesn't mean it's gonna get played, or being on Much means anything, in this age of technology WE DON'T IT! Anybody who really puts the effort in can get their music out there with out all the big corporate bastards who are just taking YOUR MONEY, for their gain. Be self sufficiant, be empowered, don't be a pawn in 'their' game. who's the cunt now? - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 1:46pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Now this is more like it! I was beginning to think that this message board was going to expire through apathy, what with the loss of the anonymous posts. So, June, why don't you let us in on the big secret: Who is Insides Out and why should we care? - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 2:20pm | ||
| King Bong User Info... | Well Zipgunn my man, I will say that I have a very hard time finding falt in anything you say. Vic's scene, like most scenes, lives the old addage of "it is who you know and who you blow" that gets you attention, and Victoria is really nepotisim city man! I don't know Nick or any of the Much scene, I stopped watching that shit in the 80's, and I certianly have nothing against him or any of the bands that will apear in this event. All bands, and promoters, that work hard at their original things get my respect. But I do feel what you say about living under the radar so to speak. King Bong is an collection of musicians who take pride in our craft and our beliefs and get our buzz from the connection with the audience, to know they hear you is woth a million Much showcases, and it is a pleasure to play to crowds of local scenesters and have them ask afterwards," Fucking great show, what city are you guys from anyway"? All my favorite muscians exsist under this radar, lets face it for most of us that is the best we will ever know, how many Hot Hot Heat's can there be???? Peace, Kola - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 2:37pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Well the Dayglos have been on muchmusic before. If any of you are old enough to remember the censorship trial, you probably would of seen them. Only half the band lives it toronto, and I dont think Brian's having very much fun there. I think it's cool the bands from here are getting some coverage. Who cares if us punks, and the country scene aint getting any cover this time? We do it the old fashioned way anyways, play and tour forever and get your shit out there yourself. As for Carolyn Mark, that girl's making it all by herself she doesnt need anyones help. And Scott Henderson, if he had of wanted to be in the limelight he would of been there a long time ago. - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 7:10pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Hmmm well that's certainly flattering (if debatable), but the fact of the matter is, being "famous" sucks (as I discovered a few times when I was out of town). As for the DayGlos, the only reason Much gave a shit about them was that they were in trouble with the law; if, say, David P. Smith were to, say, garrott Kerry Mercer on stage at Logan's Much would be here in a flash wanting to know all about him. And let's face it, if this gig were, say, Carolyn Mark, Frog Eyes, dps, Deer & Fawn and Chet nobody in TO would even UNDERSTAND it, much less like it. I find it significant that in 15 minutes on Google I found another Special Guests (Austrian ska band, ugh!), at least two other Big Muff's (one a well known dance-techno band) and no less than THREE other Money Shot's (including a dreadful 60's style cover band from California). Now some of the people in these bands are in fact friends of mine and I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, and some of these bands are in fact pretty good, but the above research is kind of damning doncha think? At least the good folks in Jets Overhead finally saw the light, albeit about 3 years too late, because "Special Guests" is arguably the worst band name in history. Hey, just my opinion but... - Wed, 6 Aug 2003 8:29pm | ||
| abc User Info... | "the fact of the matter is..." I have to say, Zipp, that you come off as sounding a bit like hmm.. how can I put it... a self loving, oh you know it, know it all - a guru of our small town victoria with your open, sorry!, closed minded, speak for the peops cause you're our very self important, religiously indie, voice... a glorified, oh you're so special, you - yes that's the you that we read so clearly. It's hard to avoid when you make it so obvious. I know, the truth stings. Perhaps you should write about that...? And I'm relishing, looking forward to, asking you to write more of your 1/2 thought-out, misinformed shizna minelly cause you're beautifully entertaining and I'm getting a kick out of your self-indulgent eat-your-ass prose. here we are now, entertain us. - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 1:31am | ||
| Adrenaline Animal User Info... | Well I know of at least three Shovelhead's So take that Zippy!!!! - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 1:58am | ||
| Guy User Info... | I'm not a punk or a metal head but I find it really funny how some of these people don't understand who Zipgun is. Hmm.....maybe next time? - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 2:14am | ||
| tidbit User Info... | Hey abc, Here's a little friendly advice. If anyone has license to comment in an paternally omniscient tone it's Zippgunn. When you have been signed to Alternative Tentacles, help to establish a university radio station (CFUV) and count members of NoMeansNo as your personal friends perhaps you can confidently comment on a scene you helped build and proceed to be slagged by petulent interlopers. You are either an un-hip teen or from out of town. You have know idea of the faux pas you have committed do you? Know the players, keep score and listen/read before you speak/write. Consider this if you ever want to record in this town. - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 9:50am | ||
| Wreaker of Havoc User Info... | I agree. I dont always like what ZG has to say but we should be somewhat thankful that we do have someone who has been around musically like that posting no holds barred opinions. Stories of ML7 trying to get a gig on a Navy ship to fullfil 2 fantasies or repeated storys of J Ingrate getting sick off of 3 beers grow tired without the real contraversial meat of someone like ZP's posts. - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:02am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Yes, Animal, there are a bunch of Shovelheads now, but we were the first one (to my knowledge) and when we underwent a major personnel shuffle we discovered that Country Dick (of the Beat Farmers) had a fuck band called Shovelhead, so we decided to change the name (we also discovered that a Shovelhead was a type of Harley motorcycle which we had no idea of and which didn't exactly fill us with joy. Then, incredibly, another band, spelled Shovelhed, I think, came out of New West sounding like grunge. But that was years later.) Thus was born Swell Prod. As for abc's "post" I would devise a witty response to it but unfortunately, even though I've helped bring two children into the world, my grasp of gibberish is still not great; perhaps some helpful soul out there could translate for me. What the fuck is a "shizna minelly" anyway? (perhaps an arcane Yiddish expression?) One thing: I don't exactly claim to be a know it all but I'll bet I've forgotten more about music and the music biz than you'll ever know, so cry me a river. I only bother to play on this board because I know that the sensitive souls out there howl with rage at some of the things I say; I try to be the sober harsh reality dude that shatters all the starry eyed notions of fame and wealth that almost every Much friendly musician seems to harbour. I've been signed to big labels, done international tours, made dozens of records, own my own pro studio and after 20 years... I have about $20 in my wallet. The feeble mewlings of my naysayers amuse me no end. Keep up the good work. But the question remains unanswered: who the devil is Insides Out? I really would like to know, as would the rest of this board, apparently. - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:53am | ||
| (another dave) User Info... | What's wrong with me? I don't watch much and it doesn't bother me. I like whatever i want to. teevee doesn't tell you what to like it just makes money and makes me laugh. Am I wrong to not protest? - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:19pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Is it my imagination or is Wreaker fixated on Navy Ships, Navy Boys and Navy Cannons? Maybe the Navy Boys are paying for escorts with favors to the pimp himself? - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 4:47pm | ||
| franktheclown User Info... | Hey Zippgunn, If I was insanely good at something infamous, could you make me famous? I can piss in my own ear standing up. Seriously. The stream stays thick and true, despite the fact that it has to take a sharp corner because my dick is bent in half. You would think that that would slow it down. Nope. Gravity has no effect. Quite often I don't even get any on my shirt. I'm doing it right now. Tinkle tinkle. Call muchmusic and lets do it up. - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 5:01pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Sorry, fame is definitely NOT the name of my game and besides, Country Dick had you beat years ago in that he could put a beer in between his feet, lay on his back and, by lifting his legs above his head, pour the entire beer into his waiting mouth WITHOUT SPILLING A DROP on anything else. Saw him do it numerous times; it was facinating. Of course now he's dead (had a heart attack during a show in Whistler and fell into his drums and that was it). And as for the anchor clanker angle, well, let's just not go there, eh? - Thu, 7 Aug 2003 5:56pm | ||
| [email protected] User Info... | Who is/was in Klugman? You got a couple projects in your list I've never seen myself. =) Cheers - Fri, 8 Aug 2003 6:07pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Ah ha, leave it to Moron to spot the fabrication in my resume. Both Klugman and Monster Tweedy were fictitious band names that Neckbeard and Carolyn Mark came up with years ago, and I thought they were such good names that I just had to add them to my list. The Strength of Ten Vampires DID, however, exist for exactly one hour in which we recorded a CD while my wife Sylvia made tacos one night. It consisted of Neckbeard and me improvising over a bed of horrible samples and features an incredible cover. We made about 3 copies and that was it. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 1:32am | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Insides Out is members of the Stir Fry crew, which seems like the best representation of Victoria's hip hop scene for this kind of show. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:26pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | And everyone is right, Carolyn Mark should be on this show, but unfortunately Much doesn't give her or her genre any support. It goes without saying that it's impossible to have everyone agree on a line-up that satisfies all sides. There are always going to be great projects that get left out, but as Scott says this show is not some magic bullet that is going to propel any of the bands playing it to a higher level. It's just a little exposure on a national tv channel that statistically is mostly watched by teenage girls. Whether a band is playing it or not won't make one ounce of difference to their long-term career, and any band that thinks it magically will probably isn't going to have a career. Regarding the line-up, from what I can tell you've got a hip hop act, a jazz/electronic act, a punk act, a female-fronted act...the bill seems more diverse than it's getting credit for here. Some metal representation is missing, but again Much's metal programming is pretty limited nowadays unfortunately. The main thing to keep in mind is that, from what I know, no one involved in this is deluded into thinking this is the only representation of Victoria's music community. There's too much diversity and talent in this city to capture. Much would not allow a submission process, and hence someone had to make tough decisions and wade through politics that go far deeper than anything touched upon on this message board. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:35pm | ||
| dan conner User Info... | Limited metal? They play tons of finger eleven! How much more metal can you get!?! Anyway, I got tickets today. The guys was like "no we don't have any tickets to the moneyshot/big muff/ grace nocturnal, etc. show... We do have some tickets for the Much does Victoria Show, though...". Alright. Got my tickets from a booger who doesn't know what they are selling... Anyway, can't wait to see moneyshot agian... First all ager in what, 6 months? - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 1:30pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | The other $64,000 question regarding this event: are the bands being paid anything for this? I'll bet Much isn't paying anything, and the event should gross a few thousand bux. Hey, we all have to eat! - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 3:47pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Okay, I meant good old real metal (as opposed ot Finger Eleven or rap/metal or whatever else they program). From what we've heard the bands are splitting any profits above costs, with primary costs being a production contribution and policing costs (as required by the City of Victoria for the Open Air venue). So in simple terms it's a six-way door deal after expenses, where money is made by the bands based on people showing up. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 4:11pm | ||
| The Dude User Info... | Are they getting paid?? What a fucking stupid question!! You retard..........THEY ARE GETTING NATION WIDE EXPOSURE!!!! Consider the cheque in the mail!!!! - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 4:20pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Ah the euphemisms of the music biz. What exactly is a "production contribution"? Is that money given to Much to offset their expenses in putting on this event (which they scarcely need as such cost would be tax write offs as business expenses), or is this money that will go to Nick for helping Much organize the whole thing (not that he won't have earned it; this whole thing sounds like a headache to put on). And getting the bands to help pay for the policing costs of what is pretty much exclusively a Much/new VI production is a lot like Lucky bar getting the bands to help pay the bouncers and bartenders. Don't forget that Much will be selling advertising on this show, and ads on Much aren't cheap. Also if they were to pay the policing costs, these too would be completely tax deductable. And to the dude I ask: Why would anyone want to play what amounts to a benefit show for the likes of Much? They wield almost absolute power over what will get airplay on TV in the whole country. 10 or so years ago Moses Znaimer (sp?) decided he didn't like Public Enemy because he thought they were anti-semetic (thanks to Professor Griff shooting his mouth off about the "chosen race" if I remember the quote right). I should add here that Znaimer is a Tajikistan born Jew. Result: Public Enemy were banned from Much and therefore Canada. Now whether or not you think Griff is a hateful bigot or not this kind of power in the mass media is far too dangerous to be concentrated in the hands of one man. If nothing else it adds fuel to the fires of all the Holocaust deniers and Zionist media conspiracy paranoids. Oh yeah, one more thing; Znaimer owns the New VI. If I had the choice of taking the "national exposure" or taking the dough and hiring a good publicist you can bet you know which one I would chose. And I don't like the idea of desperate bands sucking cock to Znaimer for a little "national exposure" while he laughs all the way to the bank. Bottom line: $10 a ticket X, say, 500 people = $5,000. The bands better fucking well get SOME dough! - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 5:36pm | ||
| blow me User Info... | You fucks all have way to much time on your hands. With all of the typing gone into this stupid message board you could have written a book, or a song that you think belongs on much music. Fuck off all y'all. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 5:37pm | ||
| korn koiler User Info... | Red Rzor Records is da garbage. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 5:49pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Sorry Blow Me but the drugs haven't been invented yet that could allow me to write a song suitable for Much consumption. Plus the best song in the world means nothing to those clowns without a $50,000 video to go along with it. That would buy me a whole lot more saxophones. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 6:11pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Production Contribution is definitely a euphemism, but it's used here more to avoid boring detail in a public forum. The expense sheet is pretty straightforward. Expenses are low enough that if 500 pay and $5000 is grossed, the bands will be paid out very well. Much aren't footing any costs (which, depending on your view, could be criticized), but the good thing about them not footing costs is that if the show goes well and money is made, then they don't see any of that upside. Their only advertising contribution is adding the show to the Canadian Concert Listings at no charge. They are also not slipping any tv, filming or crew expenses into the show's expenses, ie the bands aren't paying for the Much crew's ferry ride from Vancouver, their hotels in Vic, etc. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 7:51pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Well then one can hardly complain; sounds like a better deal than I expected considering the fact that most of these bands play exclusively inside the Luckybar/Steamers axis. Let's hope it has good weather on its side. - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 8:11pm | ||
| The Ref User Info... | All this navel-gazing regarding how MuchMusic chose what Victoria bands to spotlight. I wouldn't think much thought goes into it. They talk to a few local producers, etc., try to get a few different types of bands. Big fucking deal. Imagine if you were Much and you visited Halifax, for example. How the hell would you know what was REALLY going on in that city? I wouldn't read too much into this. Who gives a fuck about Much, anyway? Why don't you wanks shut up and learn to play your instruments? - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 9:35pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | Zippgunn, you make good points, but I must correct you on one thing... Moses Znaimer is no longer running CHUM. He stepped down from that position a couple years back. Minor point, but I felt like being a bitch. See you at the show!! - Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:08pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Ah I didn't know that. Did he sell it or what? - Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:29am | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Ah yes the heart attack on his drums, that was at the Boot pub, damn cool little room to play in. They've got his picture up on the wall now.... What a way to go. Hey Zipp, what was that project you did with Goluza called? - Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:43am | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | I'm not sure about the financial aspects of the deal, but I know that he's still a part of CHUM on an advisory level, and he's focusing on distance education and life-long learning projects, whatever they are. - Sun, 10 Aug 2003 2:33pm | ||
| lucky bar User Info... | just wanted to interject here to try to clarify something. zippgun makes several good points that i agree with and then comes the bit about lucky bar asking the bands to pay for bouncers and bartenders. is he using that as an example of something that shouldn't happen or saying that has happened? to my knowledge that has never happened at lucky bar and never will as long as i am here. we go out of our way to treat bands fairly here while trying to keep our business profitable in a very competitive market. perhaps zippgun could clear this up for me. ben. - Sun, 10 Aug 2003 5:26pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | His point was that getting bands to contribute (cashwise) to policing at a Much event would be like Lucky (or any venue) getting the bands to contribute to hire bouncers or bartenders.... Meaning that it's bullshit.... Don't worry, Ben, I've heard nothing but good things from bands who've dealt with Lucky.... - Sun, 10 Aug 2003 7:12pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Lucky bar treats the bands better than almost any bar I've played at in this city. The only one I can think of nowadays that is that good to the performers is Logans. Damn nice to have two venues that treat the bands with a bit of respect, kinda makes you want to come back and play there again. Granted Lucky bar does have one up with the postering, but hey they've also got their own photocopier....... damnit, I want one. - Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:43pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | My humblest apologies to the Lucky crew. I have never heard of them asking for such things but only used them as a theoretical example; perhaps I should have used Logan's instead, that way I could have got John's ass in a knot, which I know would exite him. The only reason I used Lucky's is because it seems all the bands involved in this shindig have played there or have deep connections to Atomique. And now that I think of it, none of them has ever played Logan's. A conspiracy perhaps? We'll never know. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:03am | ||
| Sinep User Info... | I can think of numerous times where Grace Nocturnal has played Logan's. You bitter cunt. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:34am | ||
| Korn Koiler User Info... | bitter is as bitter does. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:54am | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | Geez Louise, I'm just kidding about the "conspiracy". Some people are so touchy. I was unaware that G.N. had played Logan's/Thursday's. And bitter about what? Not being invited to a Much/Atomique shindig? Gimme a break. P.S. to Jay, the project with Goluza is a full on band, People's War (old style reggae with Tony as Minister of Information). CD out in the fall hopefully. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:43am | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | "You fucks all have way to much time on your hands. With all of the typing gone into this stupid message board you could have written a book, or a song that you think belongs on much music. Fuck off all y'all." Just for the record.....I HAVE written a Book, and a Play and mounted a few Solo Art Shows, play in a band and manage to keep up with LiveVic. You have no idea WHO you are dealing with do you little boy? - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:26pm | ||
| mb User Info... | BigMuff's played Logan's a ton of times. Actually, we played our first show ever there on October 12, 2000. hehe good times. I love that place. We haven't played there recently, but there's no particular reason for that. Just venue size I guess. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:46pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Yeah, just to clarify, Grace Nocturnal has played Logan's tonnes, Big Muff has played Logan's a lot, Jets Overhead has played Logan's, Moneyshot I believe has also played Logan's at least a few times. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 1:35pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | I'd be very surprised if any of them played Logan's more than once...... But I don't doubt that they played Thursdays many a time...... Technicality!!! I'm so ashamed of myself.... - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 3:12pm | ||
| Sinep User Info... | Grace Nocturnal has played Logan's at least 5 times...they played there last month! KnifeGhost...you and your band sucks, nice hair. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 3:51pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Cool stuff, ya Mr. Goluza was telling me about it a while ago, but I had of course spaced it out and couldnt remember the details. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 4:06pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Hey Sinep...melee milo. - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 5:19pm | ||
| Big Bucky User Info... | Will Nardwaur be the host? He's the best interviewer to watch on Much! - Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:11pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Sinep: Read my post again carefully.... Have they played Logans five times in the last two and a half months? I mean, they might have, but I probably would have noticed.... Like I say, I'm sure they've played Thursdays many a time...... I was being a dick about a technicality, which is never a good idea.... And how have you heard my band? And, fuck, how can you see my hair? Do you have my place wired? Fuck, I'm getting paranoid.... - Tue, 12 Aug 2003 1:50am | ||
| Sinep User Info... | I've seen your hair because there's a picture of you in your profile you fuck! - Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:33am | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Leave him alone Sinup, your attitude is pretty rank, and has nothing to do with this thread. So back to the matter at hand, Who sucked who to get on the bill???? - Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:44am | ||
| mb User Info... | haha very nice technicality knifeghost :) you're right. BigMuff has never played Logan's. But we've played Thursday's maybe 10 times... - Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:08am | ||
| woolly User Info... | i wanna be on the new VI ,............. p.s. please don't fuck with knife ghost - Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:38am | ||
| ryan bill User Info... | Lucky Bar takes (whenever I or MY friends have played there) 20% of the door after expenses!! That means the door guy and the sound guy get paid (which is of course a reasonable expectation) but then to take 20% of the bands shitty 200 dollar earning? I'm not sure that is fair considering they probably make 6 to 8 times that on a busy night. If they don't trust the bands to do their own promotion and get people to come then why would they book them? If they want to pay their own people to make and distribute posters (which doesn't do a lick of good on the busy 'put up tare down' polls downtown) then THEY should pay for it. Logan's doesn't charge bands for their Monday magazine ad. That's something that bars which are venues call "overhead". la da la!!! P.S. - Sinep you are a useless tool. - Wed, 13 Aug 2003 3:47pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | well if your band brought in more people then you'd get more off of the door wouldnt you. I know from my point of view, if the bar is giving you the door, minus the sound man then it's your job to make sure that the rooms full so that you get paid. Whenever we've played there we not only make up our own posters but usually put up at least a few hundred of our own out of downtown so that with the bar doing downtown then everywhere is covered. If you do your job, and they do theirs then in a perfect world the room would be full and you'd make a ton of cash. I dont know about you but I've had nothing but good experiences playing there. - Wed, 13 Aug 2003 5:06pm | ||
| lucky bar User Info... | hey ryan bill, you are making some comments about something that you don't have all the information about. perhaps you should talk to someone who does before you throw your two cents in. ben. - Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:44pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Sinep: That picture is a 3 years old.... My hair's worse now.... I cut it myself.... - Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:24pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | I was wondering when Jay Brown would come in to toot his own fucking horn. We know we know you are the most pro-active guy in town, you know more about everything than anyone, but really, how do you do ALL this stuff when you're constantly on this message board?? I mean, there's only so many hours in the day and you seem to find time to put on shows, promote shows, play in bands, and all the while telling us all about it. Wow. While I can appreiciate your oh so punk DIY ethic, you sadly come off as sonding like a know-it-all with somthing to prove. - Thu, 14 Aug 2003 7:49am | ||
| woolly User Info... | i love the gayness - Thu, 14 Aug 2003 7:59am | ||
| Raoul User Info... | WOW over 100 posts. This is obviously a big event (MUCH DOES VICTORIA) at least in the way of something to say I�m glad there is still some attention span left in people's heads. I�ve heard people say things like Much Music taking away of the ability to pay attention with all that quick stimulus. Ironic - Thu, 14 Aug 2003 9:44am | ||
| King Bong User Info... | Boo Hooo fucking whiners give your head a shake KB will blow ANY of those bands off the stage and we are not on the bill, so what? You do your thing to be a rock star, you're a loser, period. Do your thing cause you love it, fucks like MM will come to you. Unless you suck. Kola PS NOT dissing those other bands, I just think we are great, my opinion, and yes, I'm bias so fuck off! - Thu, 14 Aug 2003 9:58am | ||
| Wanker User Info... | Hey KB, holy shit are you ever a legend in your own mind. I'll be sure not to go to your show tonight as obviously you're too good for the likes of me. - Fri, 15 Aug 2003 3:03pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Well if ya wanna see me do something other than type on this board I'm playing with A.W.T. saturday night at Logans. Then I'm packing up my drums and playing at about 2:oo a.m. the same night up at Angel acres in Nanaimo, with the Hoosegow. Then were driving up to Courtney and I'll be playing with A.W.T. and the Hoosegow there on sunday. For anyone that has an urge to see a lot of Jay Brown in a short period of time. - Fri, 15 Aug 2003 6:04pm | ||
| ML7Mike User Info... | And then I guess we'll be seeing your ugly asses at the Kamloops Rage Fest.. we'll be coming in off the road, we drive all night from Edmonton so we'll be in great spirits ( for an egging.. ) :) - Fri, 15 Aug 2003 6:34pm | ||
| jay brown User Info... | Ya were definitely playing the Kamloops Rage festival. I'm gonna guess were all gonna be drinking just a wee bit that weekend. - Fri, 15 Aug 2003 9:18pm | ||
| Gleamer User Info... | Although I would love to have the minds of canadians blown by the prowess of victoria's truly cool indie rock scene, I feel obligated to bring up something which may have relevance in this situation. http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/specials/ I don't see MUCH does victoria, and seeing as its only 7 days away I doubt its just not listed yet. - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:25am | ||
| Sinep User Info... | It's not live you idiot. It'll probably air some time in September and that is their August schedule... - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 1:13am | ||
| Gleamer User Info... | quote "August 23rd, Victoria's music scene is going to be featured in a one hour special on muchmusic." ON muchmusic. So either Josh is very poor at wording things or at the very least you should be careful about calling people idiots. - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 4:30am | ||
| Monkey User Info... | Well Josh was just promoting the show,not MM,so I don't think that much thought went into the wording (you idiot) - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 1:11pm | ||
| Anonymous User Info... | Check the broadcast schedule under going coastal. I think MM had enough money to include more than on page on their website, look around next time. P.S. You're not an idiot, just unobservant. - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 1:25pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | idiots. - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 2:11pm | ||
| dan conner User Info... | It doesn't say "is going to be featured on muchmusic on the 23rd" its "show on the 23rd blah blah blah !to be! featured..." That usually means that its not going to be live... or at least thats what I get. Stop making josh cry! - Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:23pm | ||
| METALHEAD!% User Info... | "MuchDoesVictoria Celebrate the diverse music scene in Victoria Saturday, August 23 at Centennial Square! Grace Nocturnal, Jets Overhead, Lappelectro, Insides Out feat. Ishkan, Moneyshot and Big Muff will be filling the air in the Square with their sweet sounds! Pick up advance tickets at Lyle's Place, Ditch, The McPherson Box Office or on ticketweb now! Going Coastal�MuchDoesVictoria airdate: Sunday October 5 @ 11pm ET." From the much music website, here is the link: http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/goingcoastal/ - Sun, 17 Aug 2003 7:51pm | ||
| The Ref User Info... | Troutbreath says: "I HAVE written a Book, and a Play and mounted a few Solo Art Shows, play in a band " Please, name your book and your play and your solo art shows. - Sun, 17 Aug 2003 9:46pm | ||
| April O User Info... | I personally know that Troutbreath speaks the truth! If you're looking for something to do after listening to all the talented musicians at MuchFest, come have a listen to musicians of another sort. WHIP will be on stage until 2am at Steamers Pub. Feel the crack. - Mon, 18 Aug 2003 5:47pm | ||
| eboner User Info... | oh my gad nobody cares ..look, if you go to mdv then go..if you dont go then dont!! just shut up!!!! - Tue, 19 Aug 2003 8:31am | ||
| blow me User Info... | Hey , here is an intellagent comment. YOU FAG, FUCK, BALL LICKING MALE ASS FUCKIN CUNT PRICK LOOSE GASH COCK SUCKING WHOOORES. You guys dont know shit. everyone who posts here is a fat fuckin freak.except me, FUCK YOU ......BLOW ME - Fri, 22 Aug 2003 1:06am | ||
| SweetGrass User Info... | The name of Troutbreath's book is " Strange Karma for the French Petty Nobility.", His play he co- wrote is called " of Grizzly Mice and Man" and will be produced at A mainstage in Victoria in 2004, and he has had many solo art shows around western B.C and Seattle, including one at Swan's, and has painted Colleen Kristie's portrait while a mini documentary was filmed about him. Now he plays electric flute and congas with Bong. Who says the Rennaissance man is dead?! Blow That! - Fri, 22 Aug 2003 3:16am | ||
| The Ref User Info... | I never doubted it! The fake Ref obviously does. - Fri, 22 Aug 2003 9:23am | ||
| Troutbreath User Info... | Not to mention my astonishing sexual technique! - Fri, 22 Aug 2003 2:50pm | ||
| Zippgunn User Info... | So anyway, how did it go and what was the turnout? - Sun, 24 Aug 2003 4:29pm | ||
| Fred the Dragon User Info... | 550 tickets sold, so about 700 people at peak. A quick band-by-band recap: BigMuff - For the only band to have a soundcheck, they had a lot of sound problems. They seemed a little lost on the big stage. Insides Out - Someone please explain why these guys deserved to be on the bill? Not offensive, but still pretty mediocre. Jets Overhead - Absolutely fantastic. First time I've seen them... they totally deserve all their hype. Easily the best rock band in this city. Grace Nocturnal - They owned the stage. Their egos are way too big for this city, and I mean that in a good way. Moneyshot - The boys from Fernwood have the most integrity out of anyone in town. I thought the way they addressed Nick's comments in Monday was class act all the way. Moneyshot was loud, fast, ballsy, and they had a fucking mosh pit in Centennial Square. I love you guys. Lappelectro - Did not deserve to close the night off. They are an incredible band, but not in a position of, say, Jets or Grace. I know this is short and non-descriptive, but it's late, and frankly, I don't really care. - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 1:29am | ||
| TiMmY User Info... | Brandon what the fuck is wrong with you, dissing muchmusic, like u said u don't even watch it soo how the hell can you kno if it's shitty or not!! Moneyshot kicks ass!! - Mon, 25 Aug 2003 2:10pm | ||
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