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SOPRANO's Worst Bar Ever. Bring back the Ice House
| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > SOPRANO's Worst Bar Ever. Bring back the Ice House |
| The Wolf User Info... | What a crap fest, Go to see Zappnin Black and Hardly Soft for a rocking night.... Wait around for an hour and the Zappnin guys hit the stage on time 10 : 00 PM one rocking RIFF from that sweet Les Paulguitar and some guy named PAUL pulls the plug on the show.... Some chick want to sing Karachokee.....???? Go to a show at Sopranos at your own risk.... Least I got my rocks off at Lucky Bar they had a rocking Glam night... Oh well every one needs that one "nemesis bar" that sucks and at least its near the "White Spot" ... Kinda a Craptacular zone... - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 2:48am | ||
| tom User Info... | Yes indeed, kudos to the doormen for sure. They certainly seemed to know who the asshole was in this case. Paul's actions were out of line and certainly not a reflection of the door or bar staff. Owners on holiday....power tripping bar manager...fuck sakes. Ice House = Exotic dancers and Queens of the Stone Age on Rated R tour.. Sorprano's = Karaoke and the crustiest, most stinkin' drunks around... I know what my choice is... - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:07am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I am in total agreeance here. Fuck soprano's. Biggest sheister shit hole in town. And that's saying something. - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:37pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I can't believe someone showing that kind of unprofessionalism wouldn't lose their job. I am assuming he isn't going to lose his job, of course. That place is even brutal for karaoke. I went there for my birthday and it was like pulling teeth to get the guys to allow me to do my song. After our group sat there for three hours spending hundreds of dollars, he called me up as the second to last song. That guy is the biggest cocksucker I've yet to meet in Victoria. It took Dismember to get me in there again. But after the atrocious sound that night, I won't be going back there unless a few things are changed. Not holding my breath on that though. Sorry to hear about this, Reverend. What a fucking joke. - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 4:12pm | ||
| tito santana User Info... | is he the guy thats always wasted and acts like a creep to every chick in the place? if so, yeah, goof. - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 5:19pm | ||
| tom User Info... | yep that's the one, tito - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 6:29pm | ||
| letsgetrad! User Info... | ive only been there twice, and both times it was unpleasant. the staff seem to not give a fuck about anything going on around them. im not going back there anytime soon. i would love to see The Creepshow who unfortunately are playing there (again) but im skipping that show based on the venue and staff - Sat, 14 Feb 2009 6:37pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | A toad a so. I only went back there because Mike's band was opening for Dismember. Agreed on the poor sound. Good memories of The Icehouse though. - Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:08am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | What a joke. is this the same guy that cut Chuck Billy short when he was doing American Woman? I mean, you have a metal legend that just played Save On drinking and passing out trays of shooters the bar are laying on him, he is basically keeping the extra 3 dozen or so people IN the bar drinking who all would have left if he wasnt there and they cut him short of the song he is singing. Anyhow kudos.. shitty bar, shit management. - Sun, 15 Feb 2009 9:52am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Whatever became of Jason Zimmer? I haven't seen him in a long time. - Sun, 15 Feb 2009 1:05pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Ducky! - Sun, 15 Feb 2009 5:03pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Sadly, Paul's job status will not be decided until the owners return from holiday. I too was particularly pissed that this show didn't come off. I went down with my wife on my night off (yes I'm sad to admit that I work there) and was CHOKED when the door guy told me the show was cancelled. Needless to say that my I won't be going back there except to work, and my wife doesn't plan to return at all. Hey Rev, make sure that you get Dan to facebook Chris with the time and date of your rescheduled show. ~I like tits! Doc - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 2:58am | ||
| conga User Info... | Yeah when we played this shite hole he gave the band tons of free tickets to give out to friends and family. We thought it was a little strange but hey cool, so we give them out. The night we play (after shitty karaoke) he realizes we are going to pack the house and re nags on the free tickets we gave out. Makes people with tickets wait in line so he can get the paying folks in before its a full house. Many of our love ones and friends did not get in. The mandatory karaoke between sets sucked balls as-well, what a vibe killer. fuck that place. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:25am Edited: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:26am | ||
| inhalien User Info... | Last time I went to Sopranos was before the NIN show. Waited 20 minutes to get served and the chick charges me for the beer that never comes. Order again, this time 2 beers cuz who knows when she'll be back and that takes another 10 minutes. The shitty service from both the grumpy bartenders and the loser servers made me yearn for the Cambie in Nanaimo. I won't ever go to Sopranos again. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:35am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | wow, sounds like this guy renege's on alot. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:35am | ||
| Bounce User Info... | I go to Soprano’s maybe twice a year and the same people are there every time I go …it’s kind of funny actually…but last time I went …I put my name up to sing a song for my friends birthday…and they never called my name. ...but some douche got to sing three times while I was there…and she sucked…I went to the DJ guy and said I have to leave soon...and he said…Oh well…you have to wait your turn….I wasn’t about to put up an argument so I said fuck it…but really kinda pissed me off though..I guess you have to be a regular there to get called?…anyway there was some super slutty chick dancing around all the people singing and making out with guys on the dance floor… that was my entertainment for the night! - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 1:34pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | While I don't entirely disagree with what congas said, you have to bear in mind that it is a karaoke bar. Bitching about karaoke between sets is like going to play a show at Monty's and complaining that they tell you there has to be dancers between sets. ~Beer is good for the soul. Doc - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:51pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | I always thought Sopranos was a good location back when it was the Crown & I and they used to have peelers. The management has a lot to learn, I think. - Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:04pm | ||
| conga User Info... | I would never complain about dancer's between sets !! - Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:04pm Edited: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:04pm | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | Can anyone get this Paul guy to respond to this thread? I'd be really interested to hear his side of the story. Do you think he even knows that livevic exists? - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:50pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | He knows that it exists, he does all the show listings for the bar on the site. I don't think that he'll respond to the thread though. I think that when he looked back on the incident sober, 'cause he wasn't that night, he probably realized that he was in the wrong. I don't know for sure though, because no one has asked him yet. It's still a rather touchy subject around the bar. The staff all all still pretty choked about it. In addition to having to deal with disgruntled customers that night, the Rev and his staff were some of our best regular customers. Alot of the staff are gonna be missing out on some big money noe that Rev isn't comming back anymore. ~Take two bottles of tequila and call me when your panties fall off. Doc - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 1:00pm | ||
| The Professor User Info... | I've actually just sent Paul an email to make sure he knows about the thread so he can tell his side of the story. I feel that's the best way to deal with something like this. Paul has been a great supporter of livevic for many years, and I've always found him to be a decent guy and good to work with. I hope that this doesn't end up hurting the bands and promoters that have upcoming events at Soprano's and that a dialogue will work toward improving the situation and keeping Soprano's as a viable venue. It's a great room and this city needs all the venues it can get. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 1:59pm | ||
| vichockeyfan User Info... | OK, this is Paul, here is the eagerly awaited reply... You know, looking back over the night in my mind, I still think I did what was right, and the main event had the choice to go on without a backup, and they chose not to. Anyway, my agreement regarding times was was with the promoter, and the band schedule was set well in advance. We don't start our entertainment late here, we are not like other bars that open at 9 or 10pm then don't get busy for an hour or two. We don't want to be in the business to only make money for 3 hours a day, we've got 14 hours worth of day here, every day, and we need to maximize sales in every one of those 14 hours if all 25 of our employees is to stay employed. I'ms sorry people were upset, I would be too if I showed up for an event only to find it was cancelled. No, moving forward this should not affect future shows, but I gotta tell you, Brian the owner is not a fan of most live acts, for the cost and hassle, we'd make more money doing karaoke on Fridays and Saturdays - we always compare the sales figures between live shows and just plain old karaoke nights, and most bands do not sell well. Indeed they may bring in good numbers onto the dance-floor, but it rarely converts to strong sales at the bar. We do live acts because we have a great room for them, we like the variety, and we also think we owe it to the music community after the closing of Steamers and Central. 94% of the bands that have played here I thinki would agree that we have been very reasonable to work with. We pay fairly, and throw in LOTS of extras like large guest-lists, FREE posters and postering, ads , and we don't charge for a sound-man or lighting, plus we provide FREE security and door people if needed. Now, everyone knows I have na few pops from times to time, but anyone that knows me also is aware that I do not make any kinf of hourly or monthly income from Soprano's, and work solely on commission. Thus, I am there 7 days a week from 9am or so until at least midnight, so if you see a beer in my hand, it's after 've been working for more than 8 hours. And lastly, I am NOT the manager, never have been - the manager on any given night is the main bartender or the owner if he is here. They have to power to make decisions on anything that happens here, EXCEPT an event or program that I have signed my name too, like a band contract. Let me address the karaoke between sets. We only do live shows a few times a month, and we do karaoke daily. When someone shows up on a Friday night to sing karaoke and only pay $2 cover, it is difficult to turn them away. We make them pay whatever the door charge is, but as a concession we do karaoke between sets. Now, moving onto the show where we gave out free tickets than had to disappoint some fans. We give out lots of free tickets to the media, it concretes our relationship with them. So when PIGS got 3/4 of a page in the Times-Colonist, plus the front page, and mentions on SHAW with Dave Lennam, they can thank us for part of the help in the exposure. Remember, this was a band that had never played a gig before. The show went off so well that next time I contacted the band, their rate had almost tripled. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 3:59pm Edited: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 4:08pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | so why bother even booking a live act if you net more profit doing straight karaoke? If you have to turn people away or "feel bad" about it then serve the customers what they want. I know it would suck to lose another venue; but if you speak strictly business, then dump the live acts if they cause you too much troubles. It seems from this post/thread that it(live acts) while they generate door sales they dont generate the sales you(as bar manager/owner/promoter) wuold like to see. It would be a shame; but it would save you the negative feedback like this(dont worry, i still like going there regardless of who runs or owns the establishment! not that my attendance brings a whole lot to sales lol) And having a little karaoke between sets; fuck it, theres nothing else going on, why not??? - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 4:50pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Sounds to me like Zappnin Black was fucked over and you don't have any remorse or feel bad in the least. Your PA is not adequate to handle live bands as is, so having shows doesn't seem viable...especially since your owner dislikes live music events. Why bother really? The main reason I won't be returning stems from your behavior towards some karaoke customers. Myself and many others I know (including my Dad who is an excellent singer and loves karaoke) have had terrible experiences with you in getting their song chosen for performance. How many times has someone put in a song and sit their waiting for hours to sing while people who are obviously regulars or just plain buddies of yours go up thee or four times during this span and sing (badly in most cases at that). Then the attitude given when inquiries are made about the delays in being called up, or observations on the reality of the situation is either a brush-off or flat out denial (which equals rudeness and/or lying to the customer). I'm sure Soprano's doesn't give a flying rat's ass fuck about these potential customers, or this kind of treatment wouldn't happen in he first place. Best of luck with your bar and stuff. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 6:18pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | It has been made abundantly clear many, many times that somebody else should be running the place. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 7:54pm | ||
| el dunlopo User Info... | Sounds like a load of bull to me. Paul didnt even say why he actually cancelled the show (in his defense reply), or denied Zappnin of playing that night once they were set up. So what is the real story? - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 7:55pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | You mentioned, Paul, that the band schedule was set well in advance, but earlier in the thread Rev said that you phoned them an hour before showtime, informing them they have to set up in five minutes. That, for starters, I'm curious about. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 8:57pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | In regards to the PA system, that's not the one we use for live shows. We have a sound guy that comes in to do sound for bands, those that don't bring their own guy. Either the band or our sound guy provides the PA for bands. I agree that the karaoke sound system is not adequate for live performances. It's barely adequate for karaoke. If you or your dad ever change your mind about coming back for some karaoke Mr. Hell, I suggest comming down on Sunday night. I'm not perfect, but I try and get as many different people up as I can. I work Saturday too, but it's such a busy night that some people don't get their songs played even without repeat singers. ~$6 doubles Sunday nights! Doc - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:07pm | ||
| vichockeyfan User Info... |  Let me know if you all think it's fair to advertise 9pm when the back-up band doesn't even start until 9:50pm. That poster does not say "doors at 9pm" - everyone knows Soprano's opens at noon every day, so you don't advertise a show, then start it nearly an hour late. My schedule with the promoter shows the backup starting at 9:30 and it was agreed to. It all goes back to the karaoke. If we can't sandwich some in, it doesn'st work for us. So the late start for the backup band meant I revised a schedule that did not include them. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:18pm Edited: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:21pm | ||
| TheWolf User Info... | Love the Bar Staff but that blurb answered less than A-Rod and his Steroid apology.. A> I will not go to a Show at your Bar that does not have a Professional Sound Man or System... The guys that go on a first name basis around here.. Simon,John,Scott..ETC and a decent sound system. B> If you are there 7 days a week from 9AM to Midnight 15 HOURS, What ever you make $$$ Wiseyou will have no time or life to enjoy it.. Forget owing anything to live music you owe a break to your self or you will keep making bad decisions...I don't see any one rushing to defend Karaoke on that night... C> Still don't see how a 45-50 Minute Zappnin Black Set was going to interfere with your establishment and Karaoke when there was one table of girls for Karaoke... Maybe ... Let them Play their set and we would not have any of this ill will. - Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:30pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | I don't know any of the guys' names, but I believe that all of our sound for bands, again that don't provide their own, is done by the guys from Audio Garage and they bring their own gear. Karaoke that night was not very happenning. Me and my wife were out of there by 11. I think that the decision to not have the bands play really affected buisiness that night. However, that being said, Paul did say that Hardly Soft playing was still a possibility and they chose not to. You could chalk that up to showing solidarity for their fellow musicians, but I think, at the same time that Hardly Soft could have fufilled thier contractual obligation to play (this is assuming that said contract, which I did not see for myself, does in fact exist). I think a big part of the problem was that the promoter, don't know who, arranged to have a Hardly Soft show at the bar and then either the promoter or Hardly Soft made arrangements with Zappnin to be an opening act. At least, that's the impression that I got from the Rev when I talked to him the weekend before the show. Either way, I'm still pretty choked that I didn't get to see Zappnin play that night. Sure looking forward to March 5th though. ~Could I please get three martinis to go? Doc - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:27am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | Actually, when my band played there last November the sound was supplied by Skinny aka Kenny. And he was questioning what he was doing there with 3 metal bands on the bill, including the legendary Dismember. I heard he had arrived expecting some rental gear to be there to beef up his sub par system which he flat out said was not designed to handle what the typical metal show will dish out (he being an old school metaller himself) I had alot of comments that night on how bad the overall sound was, our vocalists high notes were popping the speakers, the drums were garbeled etc. This was obviously a universal opinion as the following live gig review in Absolute Underground also pointed out the sound systems failure to deliver. All that could have been solved with a $100 rental from L and M. Darcy did a great job for sound on stage even though he was extremely crippled with the frontend gear. He is one of the best sound guys in the city these days and he had people coming up to him an critisizing his sound.. but there was nothing he could do. Anyhow.. my point is.. its great that Soprano's have opened their doors to live music again. Definately appreciate another venue in town.. but maybe take it a bit more seriously. Bad sound system and poor treatment of bands gets around quickly in this little pond full of angry fishes and people will stop going there. When you piss of the band community (and their friends) you start to cut out a portion of your draw.. alot of these people go there to party on karaoke nights too. if a handful of amateur singers cant sing that night, its not likely they are seeking out the other karaoke bar and never coming back.. they all come back.. The musicians on the other hand are much more hateful. They know when the staff are sneaking people into the pit, they know when they are getting screwed, and they talk. They yell. They tell all their friends. They tell the press. They post on LV and 1000's read the thread (Hi Mom!) If your going to do bands, great, make it a good experience for the bands and the crowds will follow. We deal with slick willie bar managers all the time, especially if its a touring act. It takes most experienced musicians about 5 minutes to see through bullshit. And after spending $1000's of dollars and hours creating product that they are selling you for a few hundred bucks and a couple of drinks, they expect some respect. . - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:44am Edited: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:51am | ||
| Doc User Info... | I worked that show. You guys ruled. The reason the sound sucked was largely because the guy driving the PA, and it wasn't Skinny, ran a lin out into the karaoke PA so he could get sound out of our overhead speakers, which were in bad shape to begin with. I got great sound because I was in the booth listening through my headphones. I think that part of the problem Brian, the owner, has with doing live music is the impact that it has on liquor sales. If we have a band come in to play, then paying them will pretty much negate anything that we make on the door. The problem was amplified when we had Dismember et al. come and play because tickets were like $25. I don't know about the rest of you, but after shelling out that kinda money to go see a bar show I don't have a lot of money left over to buy a bunch of booze. This is where the owner takes issue. It's not really a problem with the bands per se or with having them in, it's just that it impacts his bottom line. As an example, even though the bar was relativly full for the Dismember show, it was one of the worst Saturdays sales wise that the bar has seen in a loooong time. ~Point that thing some place else. Doc - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:21am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | I dont think anyone is contesting the owner taking issue with band shows not paying out. its more about sticking to the plan that has been laid out ahead of time. (and maybe a slight PA upgrade IF they plan to make it a habit to have live bands.) Seems to me the primary complaint is that bands get told one thing in advance and then another when its too late to do anything about it. Not that this happened to me or my band in any way.. just my observation from above posts. Aside from what we heard about the sound out front, we had a great time and Darcy and Skinny were both their usual hard working selves doing a good job with what they had. - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:07pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | wow, this makes playing at lucky; when I had the oppourtunity, seem like I played in a luxurious club(in terms of treatment). They provided sound/pa, we took the door sales(and gave a genrous cut to the sound guy, cuz im my eyes he is a very important/critical person for your show to go off well), gave us some free drinks, and a guest list that we set(in terms of numbers; but granted, since we took the door we wouldn't have much of a guest list). Im not knocking your practices at Soprano's but it's just funny how times seem to change or at least policies at venues change. - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 2:08pm | ||
| Michelle User Info... | I am the promoter of this show & I feel it is now appropriate to make my statement. I will clearly admit to advertising the show start time at APPROX 930pm. (I have a saved copy of the message sent out stating the APPROX 930. Call me crazy but I think that 945 constitutes as APPROX) However, in my experience in hosting ANY event, live show or otherwise nothing (especially in the bar scene) starts on time and having been a fan of live shows and a promoter, most people show up later than the advertised time for this reason. I booked Hardly Soft to play this show at Sopranos for this date to celebrate my birthday with friends and a band who I know puts on a great show! I chose sopranos, as the establishment becase the bar had a bit of a soft spot in my heart, having worked there for 3 years and making a lot of close friends there. After creating posters and putting up event ads on the web it was asked by Hardly Soft if it would be alright if Zappnin Black opened up the show (Keep in mind that Hardly Softs Bass player is also Zappnin Black's) I was more than excited to allow this. All arrangements for this were made between the members of Hardly Soft and Zappnin Black. Zappnin Black was informed previous to the show that they would go on at 10pm. When I arrived at sopranos around 630pm I sat for several hours with The Reverend and other bad members while they did sound checks and set up a TON of gear (Paul sat in the back of the bar with a glass of beer...) after the band members left to go home, shower, and change I walked back to talk to paul about getting the door stuff set up and he handed me a karaoke slip, on the back of it stated set times, decided by Paul. Start time being 930. I told him I would do what I could to get ahold of the members of Zappnin Black and we would start as close to 930 as we could. He then said "Zappnin Black will start at 930 or not at all" Now, I would like to know if anyone here has ever been to a "Rock Show" that started as early as 930 or even on time for that matter... That's live entertainment! I understand Pauls point of keeping a flow to things but there was no reason why we couldnt start Karaoke @ 930 while waiting for the band members to return to the bar (Not to mention the sound guy that Paul hired and made all arrangements with showed up at 930 and was under the assumption that the show started at 10) When the Reverend showed up around 940pm in full out leopard print outfit and all... everything was perfect! We were ready to rock! Paul then "pulled the plug" on Zappnin Black and said Hardly Soft could still play at their scheduled time of 1030. (Which all makes no sense... the guy is flipping out over starting the show 15 mins late but will continue with the show... an HOUR LATER?!) And asking the bass player of the band you just cut, to play with another band also sounds a little stupid to me. I feel asking Zappnin Black to cut back their set list by 10 mins would have been a much easier solution to the "issue" rather than cancelling the entire show and emptying out the bar (I turned AT LEAST 100 people away outside who had showed up to see Zappnin Black at 10 as well as all the people we gave money back too after they paid the $7 to see the show). On another note, I'd like to know where all the show posters I gave to Paul approx 3 weeks prior to the show (he said he'd have them printed and posted) were and why when he didnt get that done he felt it would be sufficient enough to write with Jiffy Marker on blank white pieces of paper stating only Hardly Soft was playing... It takes A LOT of time and energy to play a show... Clearly, paul did not put all that effort made by both bands and myself into consideration... he couldnt even print off a poster already created! In closing, I apologize to everyone who showed up to see the show and for the insanity, miscommunication, and cancellation of this show. ( SEE YOU ALL AT EVO ON MARCH 5TH!) Paul, If you felt the start time was to be so prompt & was a big enough issue for you to cancel the show for starting 15 mins late the respectful/proffesional thing to do would have been to discuss it with me prior to the show date when it could have been addressed & dealt with in a much more efficient way. There would be less pissed off people who will now take their hard earned cash and spend it elsewhere. That will include myself. - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 4:46pm | ||
| vichockeyfan User Info... | The sound man was paid IN FULL by me, before 9pm. He was the only one that kept up his part of the agreement. Michelle, you have several of the times wrong. A copy of your poster is attached above, it says 9pm. The "revised" schedule was to be Hardly Soft 10-11, break, then second set 12-1. I know that obviously everyone posting on here is live music fans, but we cater to karaoke in 90+% of our programming, so we didn't have room for your posters with all else we promote around here, and of course to a crowd that mostly doesn't know Hardly Soft. - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 6:14pm Edited: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 6:18pm | ||
| mizzmouse User Info... | Nothing in what I said mentioned anything about whether or not the sound man was paid. It was simply a matter of times. Regardless of the specifics it was dealt with in a very unprofessional matter on your part with not only disrespect to myself and the bands but also to the patrons in sopranos that night. It is well known in the music industry that there are variables, things that come up that are unexpected. It is also known that you go on with the show. You chose to deal with it in a very aggressive manner based on a small delay in time. This is not the first incident with your name all over it. Myself and others that I know have had numerous incidents with you reacting in a very unprofessional manner to put it lightly. Your reputation is well-known and this was icing on the cake. We can go on about this as long as we want... the end result is and always will be the same. You made a bad call... - Thu, 19 Feb 2009 7:26pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | I'm actually quite shocked it took Paul this long to fuck something up. Alcoholics have a tendency to be major flakes... Glad I've known one of the bouncers for a couple years, only reason I've never bothered going to the shithole, well other than the fact I generally hate bars and don't drink. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:06am | ||
| vichockeyfan User Info... | ^ There we go, the most intelligent post of the thread. Three years and only one fuck-up, I'll consider that a compliment. OK, this is my last post, thanks for the comments everyone, we'll really try to be better. I know we can be. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:56am Edited: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 1:03am | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | And thanks for FINALLY FUCKING ACKNOWLEDGING the fuck-up, dude. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 7:52am | ||
| Jl User Info... | "so we didn't have room for your posters with all else we promote around here, and of course to a crowd that mostly doesn't know Hardly Soft" but that's the idea of PROMOTION, is to get their name out there so people can see that. I still say its a waste of time to even consider playing there; as all these "benefits" the business seems to promise either are a)not "good enough" or b)it feels like their doing YOU(the band) a favour. I've never had the pleasure of playing there; and from this debaucle I dont think I would ever bother booking a show where promotions only matter if you're a "rockstar"). To soprano's staff, management, and owners: if you think its a waste of time; then dont make promises and then recind them. 15 minutes past a "set" time is NOT a major conflict(in EVERY show I've played since I was 13, over 12 years of playing in town and abroad, NEVER have I EVER seen or heard of anyone being as "strict" to time as this, and nor is there a reason to. How do you know that the people to see the afformentioned bands wouldn't have bought booze from the bar? You're basing your facts on stereotype and assumption. Coming from running many small business'; you cant sell it if you dont have it. And that principle should apply to this situation. Had you let the bands play; you certainly would've seen a raise in sales at the bar(or potentially not), but you dont know that until you do it!(and as a ps, regardless of the act/headliner, you should always promote EVERY SHOW happening at said venue... again, you cant sell it if you dont have it... basic business practice boys and girls.) - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 2:52pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | You want to buy a bridge - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 3:12pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I appreciate your efforts to make things right, Doc. It shows you care about the bar and how people perceive it. It's a shame that your bosses don't possess the same professionalism and will to succeed. Nope, Soprano's is dead in my eyes. My Dad holds grudges even worse than I do, so he will never set foot on that property again...even if it is torn down, rebuilt and reopened as a completely different place. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 4:13pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | If they built a Hooters there I would go there. But only if they had bands and the clueless managers didn't leave the tv's on with full sound during said bands' sets. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 5:11pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "You want to buy a bridge -" what?! you make absolutely no sense and there no excuse b/c its not 4am... - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 5:20pm | ||
| doomhammer User Info... | All I know is I didnt go to Dismember only because it was at sopranos. How people even enjoy going there to watch live music is beyond me. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 8:51pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | what you said You cant sell it if you don't have it... what I said You want to buy a bridge? You have no seance of humor JI. - Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:56pm | ||
| cattlelist User Info... | Yep, kinda made me think of the movie Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park. The part when the park owner and security are trippin' cause they know the band is gonna rip rip rip and destroy lol and all that, he was just scared. Yes i know aparently the owner wasnt there and security was pretty good and it wasnt at an amusement park. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:08am Edited: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:12am | ||
| Jl User Info... | lol I wasn't saying that in a mean sense; i was sincerly wondering what the hell that meant, cuz it wasn't early in the morning(so being drunk wasn't an excuse this time!). And fucking yes i want to buy a bridge; cuts bc ferries right out of it and I get to charge a toll for crossing MY FUCKING BRIDGE!(and you all thought Thow was a crook!) " Yes i know aparently the owner wasnt there and security was pretty good and it wasnt at an amusement park" I dono, I think soprano's is kind of an amusement park of sorts lol. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 9:08am Edited: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 9:09am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I suppose a seance of humor would be one where we contact Sam Kinison. - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:16pm | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | "I suppose a seance of humor would be one where we contact Sam Kinison." Teeheehee! - Sat, 21 Feb 2009 4:02pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Seance of Humour Would be a wicked awesome name for one of those Montreal style indie-pop bands. - Mon, 23 Feb 2009 4:43pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | what would people do if I spelled shit right? - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 8:52am | ||
| Lucius User Info... | what would people do if I spelled shit right? Um..Grim....you just did spell it right duh!! Cheers, Lucius - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 9:24am | ||
| The Professor User Info... | Just for accountability's sake I wanted to say that I removed the post by "sopranossucks" and suspended the account. I'm all for free speech, but only if you have the balls to put your name behind it. - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:42am | ||
| ZapFan User Info... | I was one of the people there that night. Was with 3 other people and we came for the bands. Especially Zappnin Black. The funny thing is that no one (Paul) can say that the show was canceled because of timing and to not disappoint the people who came to karaoke. Anyone there will tell you that when all the s**t went down most of the bar cleared out. It was obvious that the people there (and who payed cover) were there for the bands. It was a gong-show there and all because Paul acted like an unprofessional bonehead. - Fri, 27 Feb 2009 6:25pm | ||
| Lucius User Info... | I'm trying to picture Paul. He is the little dude with the trench coat? Cheers, Lucius - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 9:31am | ||
| Doc User Info... | No. The guy you're thinking of Lucius is Rob a.k.a. Shortass. He was just a regular customer and on call karaoke host. Ironaically he doesn't go to Soprano's anymore either. Paul is taller (6'1" or 6'2"ish) dark wavy/curly hair thinning at the fron and top, goatee, usually in a suit. He spends the majority of his time there either at the bar talking to staff/customers, or in the office doing...whatever Paul does in the office. ~No, no, no. It's TWO tequilas and ONE line of coke. Doc - Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:34am | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | Views: 2708 so awesome. - Tue, 31 Mar 2009 2:45am Edited: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:53pm | ||
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