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To the new owners of the Esqimalt Jam spaces
| Message Board > General Chitchat > To the new owners of the Esqimalt Jam spaces |
| DAnnyp. User Info... | Fuck you. dirty sanchez. - Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:02am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | is there any idea who it is? have they even been approached? - Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:05am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | have they done something? - Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:37am | ||
| Rubber Box User Info... | Complete second floor eviction. - Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:40am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | and about 20 bands soon to be limited action as a result - Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:29pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... |  | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | It's not the new owners who have "fucked everyone over". It is Sutton and their feeding negative propaganda to the new owners about the current tenants. Unfortunately, the few jackasses who repeatedly acted irresponsible are directly to blame for this. Sutton is also to blame for being prejudiced against musicians. I think it will be hilarious if they talk the new owners into renovating the place and pouring loads of money into it. Then, because of the economy, they have trouble finding businesses to rent space. Seen how many retail spaces are empty around town? It's a pain in the ass for most of the bands, but eventually everyone will find a better place without jackass managers who harass and discriminate against upstanding, responsible, paying tenants for no good reason. - Sat, 31 Jan 2009 7:41pm Edited: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 7:44pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I agree a good party is in order, but I think it should be in the spirit of saying good-bye to an old friend, not a wrecker. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:36am | ||
| Lucius User Info... | So um...are you yahoos throwing a party or what? I can bring taco chips! Cheers, Lucius - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 6:46am | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | As long we keep the bean dip away from you and Graeme! I don't think that's the kind of fumigation the new owners have in mind. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:17am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | likely the new owners will gut the upper floor anyhow, so Im not sure a 'house wrecker' would go against their plan. on the flip side, reality of the matter is that the rooms were being rented to us at a lower than average rate for their size. Also, the day before the eviction, the TC ran an article stating that vacant office space was at low and that the demand for office space in Victoria is huge right now.. regardless of the economy. Not that anyone in their right mind would want to use that area as office space. But here is my question. Has anyone met the owners? or know who they are? Im sure it wouldnt take much to convince them that some of the band rooms have been going since the late 90's and that said rooms have always paid rent on time and are willing to sign leases binding them to the payments.. the catch is rent costs will likely be going up for whomever rents them. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:44am | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | Yeah what a shame... Have to end by 10pm? Noxious fumes permeating the rooms from downstairs? A number of rodent infestations? Those cumbersome stairs? In the sketchiest area of Esquimalt? I'm not crying over this at all. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:38am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | ahah yes noxious fumes will be pretty appealing to new tenants! however the rooms served their purpose and 101-104 were fumeless. Once they knock out some walls it wont be that way though. I never saw a rodent in 10 yrs od frequenting the place.. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:13pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | If it wasn't for the fact that some bands who jammed there love to keep there doors open after 10pm and jam and disturb the other residents/neighbourhood, then you wouldn't be hassled. It always takes 1 bad apple to ruin the bunch, so if you wanna blame people, blame those bands that don't seem to give a shit. Don't blame the management company, unless bands actually keep there doors closed when they jam after 10pm, and the new managers are being a pile of jerks (but there's always noise complaints from the other residents). Don't like the rules? Then jam in the industrial area of Victoria where the rules for sound are different. It's freakin' Esquimalt! Feel lucky you had an environment like the Esquimalt jam space, it's an apartment not a business (I could be wrong), so the rules are different (wish I could listen to records really loud thru the EPI speakers after 10 pm, but I can't). I was at the jam space once and really liked it. Shame to hear the band floor got evicted, and I wonder how much it'll cost the management company to clean the suites? Thanks to the jerks, another place for bands to practice there hobby is gone. I don't get it, but then again, I've never been in a band. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:22pm Edited: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:41pm | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | actually.. it is rated light industrial in that area. Years ago when the police were making nightly visits and staking out the place for noise, they'd write tickets which Esq. wouldnt honor because they weren't legal. I talked directly to the Esq. bylaw officer at one point who informed me that we were within our rights to make the noise due to the zoning. However, at some point the municipality changed the bylaw slightly to adhere to decibel ratings based on the perimiter of the complaining parties property line. While we were still likely well within the outlined decibel rating (with doors closed of course) nobody was standing up to challenge this on behalf of the tenants, and the property management took their own stance which was basically they dont want to hear about it, or know about it, and if they do they will just evict us, which under commercial tenancy laws isnt neccesarily outside of their means (esp since they could just double the rent at any time effectively driving us out regardless of decibel levels ) Griphen makes a good point though and I feel that the recent Property Management were more then fair in light of the fact that they placed multiple warnings and notices on the doors that would promptly get ignored and often chucked into the parking lot (even with garbage left by bands in the parking lot being another issue they had with the bands..) and also the fact that the former property manager embezzeled $1000's out of the building and then blamed it on the bands not paying their rents, which wasnt true. For the record Griphen, it is NOT an apartment, and it is a commercial building and has been for decades.. there's a fibreglass company, a sign shop and a mechanic shop down below and the building is zoned as such, although it is exactly on the border of the zone with the residential zoning.. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:55pm Edited: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 1:03pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Oh shit, I'm so sorry. I had a strange feeling it was commercial, cept I thought people lived in the suites, or at least the suites looked like apartments. But yeah, if bands disrespected the space they were lucky enough to jam in, then no wonder evictions happen. Funny the previous managers did that, but hopefully bands paid by money order, which leaves a paper trail if they keep the receipts. But if it's in an industrial park, or close to one, then noise wasn't an issue. :( - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 2:39pm Edited: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 2:41pm | ||
| MP User Info... | Heard through the grapevine that the new owners are some young rich kids who are taking advantage of the recession and are buying up loads of commercial properties in Victoria from hard-up landlords. If anyone wants to get in touch with the new owners, I understand that their office is at 625 Alpha Street - Unit #10. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 4:25pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | As stated, everyone should be happy for the years we had running what, 15+ bands out of one building? I'm surprised it lasted this long with all the bullshit that was going on. Hopefully the young jackasses will learn to recognize and appreciate a good thing when it happens. Sadly, I think this will hurt the thriving music scene in this city (at least for metal) in the short term. I sure hope I'm completely wrong about that. Anyways, on to better things. - Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:18pm | ||
| Menace to Sobriety User Info... | yeah let's wreck the place! All that does is confirm to the new owners that they made the right decision by giving you yahoo's the boot. Just think if they Reno the place and still decide to rent to bands again you will have burned that bridge. Yeah let's blame Sutton cause you guys are all perfect and never did anything wrong right? The new owner would be a fool to keep that place in the condition it's in. Yeah it sucks you have to find a new place but what's done is done be the bigger person and walk away with the memories you have other wise no commercial building in the city is going to want to rent to bands if their investments are going to be destroyed. Think about that! - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 7:16am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | I agree with the above post. This has happened before and it will happen again, the important thing is to keep your shit together. The kids who want to throw a hissy-fit over losing something they never owned need to grow up, otherwise it'll be a long dry spell for the rest of you. - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 9:28am | ||
| Lucius User Info... | So..um....these taco chips aren't going to eat themselves!!!! Cheers, Lucius - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:25am | ||
| James User Info... | I don't know, some people are just pricks and need slap of reality. It's like those people with the tinted side driver/passenger windows! WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM? From the sounds of it though it's hard to say whose really to blame. - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:21am | ||
| Tambo User Info... | "It's like those people with the tinted side driver/passenger windows! WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM?" They're just looking badass, mang - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:22pm | ||
| J. Peatman User Info... | BBJones is an old bitter goat. Takes any opportunity to point out how the jamspot fuckups are young immature children. In reality the people responsible are a lot closer to his age. But I'm sure he knows that. I agree however that people don't realize what a relatively ideal situation this spot is/was. We'll all be hard pressed to find a space where you have 24 hour access, can leave your gear set up and have flexible schedules against a reasonable rent. With a Tim Hortons, Subway etc right around the corner. Chances are that everyone would have gotten kicked out without all the complaints, but it still sucks ass. A housewrecker is a fucking stupid idea, especially out of "revenge". Who knows what the plans are for that building. Sutton or the new owners will still find a way to fuck you over for any damage inflicted. - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 1:20pm Edited: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 1:21pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | mmmmmmmmmm....taco chips! - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 1:43pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | It seems to me the "young immature children" comment is more comparing the actions to people of this age and level of responsibility than actually saying there are young immature children running around opening doors with blasting music coming out of them and throwing glass onto a parking lots. I blame Sutton for not booting out the offenders immediately after any guideline violations were committed. They kind of took the lazy approach to managing by laying the blame across the board. Sure, it's great to say "police yourselves", but not everyone can be down there all the time. The slack management approach is why I blame Sutton along with the people responsible for irresponsibility...they know who they are. - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 3:37pm Edited: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 3:40pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | NO COMMENT...damn it...I just want to say something soooooooooooo bad and I can't........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 3:48pm Edited: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 4:06pm | ||
| Mutilashawn User Info... | complaints aside ... does anyone have a comprehensive list of jam spaces in town?? obviously I've already browsed what is available on this site .. but there has to be more than that. or anyone who needs a band(s) to go in on a space, get in contact. - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 4:14pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Just say it in some sort of code language. They you won't have said anything to get in trouble for and you will have been able to add some information that is probably very interesting and important to this discussion. - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 5:40pm | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | "NO COMMENT...damn it...I just want to say something soooooooooooo bad and I can't........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" Definition- "I now something that no one else knows, but Sutton butters my bread, lols lolz rofl!" - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 6:00pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | Hey now thats not fair ....this has nothing to do with me...my friends are effected by this.... i just wanted to comment on Graeme's post but I'm biting my tongue!!!!!!! That's all LOL - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 7:36pm Edited: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 7:55pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | It was a joke people No one has house wreckers anymore Besides, I have gear in there - Mon, 2 Feb 2009 9:20pm | ||
| Lucius User Info... | Grim, are you guys recording tonite? Cheers, Lucius - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 8:12am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | I was wondering did the Alpha street bands get kicked out too? Apparently both buildings were sold. - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 9:44am | ||
| Menace to Sobriety User Info... | I think you guys are missing the point; you were let go so they could renovate right? And also the new owner is going to want to make money from his or her investment right? How many of you are willing to pay market commercial rent which currently is approx. $10 –$20 per square foot. This has nothing to do with who left a door open or who smashed beer bottles; it’s a financial move and nothing more. MOVE ON - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:14am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | exactly.. we were paying below market value. But thats not to say we wouldnt pay market value.. I for one would like to look into it, but not knowing who the owner is yet makes it a bit hard. - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:19am | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | God you guys are like crazy ex girlfriends in a bad break up, impossible to get rid of and threatening to destroy things. No amount of talking is going to get you out of this, the new owner probably doesn’t want to talk to you, get over it. Yeah it was a cool place to jam and party, those days are over, find a new place. - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:23am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Everyone is finding new places. What are you on about? - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 2:12pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... |  | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | whoa yikes! for the first millisecond I thought that was Iggy Pop! - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 3:55pm | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | Yah Corp.. I think one person said 'wrecker' and even then it was toungue in cheek. - Tue, 3 Feb 2009 3:56pm | ||
| thestefano User Info... | Not sure a "wrecker" would be the best way to get back at these fuckers...in fact i think it would have the opposite effect as the insurance they have on the building would offer them a nice security blanket while saving them the effort and cost of the demo. The reality is that bands have never been scene as hard working, creative individuals in this city - bottom line. There are a few landlords etc that will tolerate us but regardless of how professional you think you are being the stigma will always prevail. Anyone wanna start a march to City hall as parliament in protest for musicians rights? If not then i will bring the dip Lucius. - Wed, 4 Feb 2009 1:53pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | So has anyone found a spot to jam in,I was thinking get all the people we know are cool and rent a big spot.There are a few places out there that are in the same area but are like to much for one band or even 5 bands.I looked at a places that was so cool (Big warehouse over 5000 sqft.)but it would take like at least 10 bands to pull it off. I guess it is just a dream to think bands would all put there heads together and make something happen.Oh the place is in an industrial park in Esquimalt so no one would move far but..it will never happen cuz we all would have to work together and just as this place goes (tits) ^^ up for so many of us, that place would most likely as well, do to dumb shits. - Wed, 4 Feb 2009 2:32pm | ||
| Pierce User Info... | Since November I know of at least 30 bands which have lost their Long-Term residents. Chances of finding a jam spot these days are slim and none. Shitty deals. - Wed, 4 Feb 2009 3:20pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... |  That would be the hottest, loudest, most leather protest ever....lol...you could be like a metal marching band! You should do it...That may get someone's attention. I'm not kidding...DO IT!!!! - Wed, 4 Feb 2009 4:04pm Edited: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 4:28pm | ||
| Lucius User Info... | I'll do it...I've got to do something with $400 in taco chips! Cheers, Lucius - Wed, 4 Feb 2009 9:12pm | ||
| thestefano User Info... | Well the way i see it is that it's their fault that we have nothing better to do now...we could be rehearsing but Oooooh wait! Never mind. Fuck it let's all rally together and protest this shit. It would be fun to get the city of Vic taking note of the numbers alone of musicians looking for a place to express and create (and drink). Mike Devlin would love it too! LOL. K maybe I'm just bored and wanna stir shit up, but still. - Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:16am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | "Anyone wanna start a march to City hall as parliament in protest for musicians rights?" Hate to rain on your parade (literally) - but WHAT RIGHTS?! Don't kid yourself - no-one outside of this scene will give a shit. It's part of a relatively healthy cycle that's happened many times before. When the bubble bursts the hardcore continues and the chaff moves on. So move on. . . . or . . . load up a flatbed truck with some power inverters and some big ol' amps and take a tour of downtown. That'd be a laugh, Just don't expect anything to change. - Thu, 5 Feb 2009 9:43am Edited: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 9:46am | ||
| Bounce User Info... | But what’s life without music? - Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:19am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | ha! In my experience most people in society get on quite well without giving much thought to music or art. The average person doesn't know or care that it takes years of training, a sizeable capital investment, and a lot of time to create the art that they'll ultimately download for free. Not that I'm complaining. In fact I believe in adversity making you stronger. I'm just pointing out to those who've expressed an attitude of entitlement, that outside of the arts community there won't be much sympathy for the amature & semi-pro musicians currently without a home. - Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:21am | ||
| thestefano User Info... | Fuck it I'm just gonna become a lawyer, or politician. Apparently they're the ones that can go on week long binges, snort copious amounts of blow, sleep with supermodel (escorts) and partake in all kinds of "criminal" activity while still getting the respect of our community officials. I suppose what i meant by "rights" was the right to change the stereotype that musicians who are actually trying to do something legitimate shouldn't be treated as bottom feeders. I know it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Regardless did i mention i was bored? - Thu, 5 Feb 2009 2:43pm | ||
| MP User Info... | Yes, you did. - Fri, 6 Feb 2009 9:05am | ||
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