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Yesser is a depraved pervert and here is proof
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| grimlord User Info... | So after receiving multiple emails from Yesser, and taking steps to verify that it is indeed the same person posting on LV, I decided to google his email address (one of two spelling variations he uses of the same addy) Turns out, not only is he a hated troll on craigslist in the Rants and Raves section, but he is also soliciting anonymous gay anal sex in the casual section.. Google brings it up in spanish, but its craigslist victoria. As you can see the date is in mid nov, before this all went down on LV, and before I knew of Yesser, Jordi, vicarious, vicarius productions @ hotmail.. http://victoria.es.craigslist.ca/cas/920865557.html - Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:31pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | And saying "you have no Idea of what I am Capable of" is a threat, is ludicrous.It is a simple statement on how you don't know me, that is all.You don't know I can or can't tie a tie do you? - Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:50pm Edited: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:51pm | ||
| Yesser User Info... | "it's not like i haven't seen it all before and there is nothing you can say that will hurt me.And no ,I didn't search back to show you a spelling error I searched back to show you that you make up stores and lie about people and that is who you are . - Sat, 22 Nov 6:23pm Edited: Sat, 22 Nov 7:14p" Thats Graemes posting on 22 NOv, claiming I am up to my old tricks. This is after he placed that CRAIGSLIST ad in yet another attempt to harass. Graeme keeps fucking things up. For you who really have no idea what is going here is a catch up........................................................................................ GRAEME ANSWERED AN ANONYMOUS AD I PLACED ONLINE. HE ACTED BIG AND TOUGH AND THREATENED ME. I IMMIDIATELY CALLED HIM ON IT AND HE HASNT STOPPED HARASSING ME SINCE. - Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:56pm Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:22am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Just get a room and fuck. It's more than obvious you 2 are lovers... - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:22am | ||
| mIndlessMikeyJay User Info... | Ok i think this is enough. One of you guys need to bend over and take it, shut up already. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:33am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Look,I don't care if he is gay ,I just wont him to stop emailing me like 20 times, and he is the one putting up ads on gay porn sites in My name .Like I said he has been pissing people off on gragslist for a wile ,I just googled him and it came up.I never post on there EVER, it's the same address as the ad he put and the email he sends me. he has no life obviously, and is really hurting. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:59am Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:04am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Then contact his fucking ISP/email carrier dumbass. You are Epic fail at dealing with your issues with him. You also aren't the masked avenger for craigslist, they have their own people for that, they're called moderators. But of course if all you do is shit like this thread, it's not going to stop. Use that grey matter in your skull for more than a fucking windblock for fuck sakes. And please don't procreate... - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:16am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | It's in the works , and yes I do know about moderators and have contacted them and others.Honestly, I didn't wont it to go this far.It just started out as fun but he slagged me and tried to trash my name in the beginning,I didn't even know who or why he was doing it ,so I got into it with him ,but truly you all know that I am not the best at come backs or retorting peoples quandary's. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:31am Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:43am | ||
| tito santana User Info... | losers. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:51am | ||
| Yesser User Info... | Grimlord has said on a public message board that he will haunt me. He said in private email that I dont know what he is capable of. Then he says in a public forum and on email that this is a game he plays to get people riled up. So what do i do? I prove to him i know EXACTLY who he is. Now he says I have gone too far and he will call cops. If you are going to call cops because of emails you get....................YOU CAN BLOCK MY ADRESS. Ok? SO send me one more nasty ass email then block me..... - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:08pm Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:12pm | ||
| steve User Info... | ...we're all gonna be called into court as witnesses. maybe we should start a 'pool' of sorts? edit.. i was going to ask if this board had moderators.. which apparently it does. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:32pm Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:34pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | Can we please ban these fucking idiots already? - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:10pm | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | "Can we please ban these fucking idiots already?" Fuck that. If DAJ can continue to post his inane rants why shouldn't these two be able to e-joust here? Personally I quite enjoy watching Yesser get the best of Grimlord again and again. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:57pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Why would anyone "wont" to ban? This shit just keeps getting better and better. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 2:04pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | 'Honestly, I didn't wont it to go this far.It just started out as fun but he slagged me and tried to trash my name in the beginning' Someone needs to grow a little thicker skin. It's the internet for christ sakes. If you take shit like this as seriously as you are, you have some serious self-esteem issues and I suggest you start seeing a psychotherapist. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 3:21pm | ||
| sumyungai User Info... | I agree that this is a lot of fun, however it is taking away from the real issue at hand- I need a guitarist and rapper. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 3:29pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | 'Im a computer tech and have done alot of investigative work in the past for a local company, its definately Yesser's work, or Jordi or whatver his name is' That's probably the funniest post I've ever read. A computer tech does not have the tools available to them to properly investigate anything. You have no idea who the person is sending the mail, nor do you have a remote clue if it's even the same person. Only way to get that information is to subpoena the ISP/email carrier. And nothing criminal has even been done yet, so the cops will just laugh it off as 2 morons having an Epeen fest on a message board that, in the grand scheme of things, means nothing to anyone outside of the incestuous Victoria Alternative scene. Thanks for making my year Mike. Funniest post I think I've read in years. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 3:29pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | So it really had nothing to do with your 'skills' but who you know and the information they give to you (something that normally the majority of people don't have access to. Oh and just a small bit of input to the mods/admins. Handing out people's IP's, unless Mike's a mod, is a criminal offence. And if Mike's a mod, using this information without specific permission from the site admins and Yesser is also actionable. And if Mike is a mod, LiveVic has some serious issues on their hands. 'All emails sent have the originating IP tagged to them, just as all posts to LV ( as do almost all forums on the internet. )' Somehow I highly doubt he's using his shaw account to send these emails, only an idiot would do so. If he's using a 3rd party email carrier, the only IP you'll see in the header info is from that carrier, not the persons IP assigned to them by their ISP. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 3:45pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | "If DAJ can continue to post his inane rants why shouldn't these two be able to e-joust here?" He doesn't go turning completely unrelated threads into his litter box, unlike these two fuckwits. "I know enough mods on this site to get the answer I needed." They may be breaking the law if they are passing on information which can personally identify someone. They may want to look into the Personal Information Privacy Act of BC. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 3:49pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Well Yesser now has more than enough, just in this thread, to start action against LiveVic if he so chooses. Sometimes it's wiser to keep ones mouth shut, Mike. And whatever mod you happened to be 'looking over their shoulder' needs to be removed, as they're now nothing more than a liability to LiveVic. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 4:03pm | ||
| sumyungai User Info... | The rod up that guy's ass must have a rod up its ass. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 4:08pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | That I am capable of murdering someone does not make it legal. Perhaps I'm not looking hard enough but nowhere on LiveVic do I find a policy which states that an IP may be disclosed to a third party. I therefore have a reasonable expectation of privacy in regards to that information. If it is being passed to a third party without my knowledge or consent or even confirmed in the way you suggest, that could well be a violation of BC privacy law. Again, just because you can do something doesn't make it legal. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 4:31pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | this thread is a serious larf. grow a fucking sack; and leave your purse at the door, if you cant handle what's being thrown at you. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 4:37pm | ||
| JDL User Info... | "However no agreement means you havent agreed with anyone to NOT REVEAL your IP." so it makes it ok to effectively expose someone's privacy? Give your head a shake columbo. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 4:40pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | I would suggest you acquaint yourself with the law before acting in ignorance of it, Mike. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 5:15pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Just because, supposedly, you've been working for 5yrs doing small time investigations, doesn't mean you have a clue on how the law works. In fact you've more than once shown you don't have a clue. It is illegal to supply someone's IP address to a 3rd party, unless that 3rd party is law enforcement and acquires said info via a subpoena for a criminal investigation. I also find it quite humorous that you've not even taken into consideration that this could be IP spoofing or numerous other ways to mask ones identity on the net. You fail at attempting to be Sherlock Holmes...period. I just love it when someone comes off as something they're not. To be honest you sound like a CDI graduate. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 5:45pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | There is no law being broken here,I got the ip from his email. google is a wondeful tool. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 5:54pm | ||
| Mr chimp User Info... | Ive been studying law and intellectual property rights for the past few years. The majority of what Mike is stating is actually true. Most of the assumed laws surrounding IP privacy are not in place in canadian law ( or US law for that matter ) and are merely rules and guidelines as outlined by ISP's who dont want to deal with potential lawsuits that cost money to defend regardless of the law. here is an intereesting excerpt: Rogers Communications Inc. (Rogers) explains the exceptions that apply to its policy of not releasing a customer's personal information. Among the circumstances listed, Rogers will release a customer's personal information when it "believes in good faith that the law requires it." Also, as a matter of policy, most ISPs require a court order before they will disclose personal information regarding their customers to a third party. Most ISPs will not oppose the motion to obtain such an order (which, as discussed below, is obtained in a John Doe action). Indeed, the majority are prepared to co-operate with a plaintiff, and once informed of a problem e-mail, will agree to preserve the relevant electronic logs until the appropriate order is issued. Some ISPs make it a policy to notify their customers of requests for their personal information so that they have an opportunity to protect their privacy and anonymity. Considerable pressure exists in the United States to broaden the application of this policy. Various civil libertarian groups, including, for example, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Democracy and Technology, actively work to convince ISPs to always alert their customers when a third party is after their personal information. These groups, which are concerned to protect online anonymity, believe that, in many cases, plaintiffs in John Doe actions are simply looking to intimidate and silence their critics when there has been no wrongdoing. Obtaining an order against an ISP does not require commencing an action against it. In fact, that approach should be avoided. Rather than sue the ISP, a plaintiff should issue a statement of claim against a John Doe defendant, setting out a cause of action such as defamation or breach of confidence. Only then should a notice of motion be brought against the ISP. In Ontario, the relevant statutory grounds for the motion are rules 30.10 and 31.10 of the Ontario Rules of Civil Procedure. Both of these rules deal with non-party discovery (the former with documentary discovery and the latter with oral discovery). This procedure was affirmed by the Justice John C. Wilkins in Irwin Toy Limited et al. v. John Doe, (2000), 12 C.P.C. (5th) 103 (Ont. S.C.). Justice Wilkins thought it was important to comment on this form of motion for the following reason: . it is anticipated that the courts will be seeing motions of this nature on a more frequent basis, as members of the public become curious to determine the true identity of the originator of messages, and/or information passed through the Internet, or posted on "notice boards" or disclosed in "chat rooms" therein. To satisfy rules 30.10 and 31.10 of the Ontario Rules of Civil Procedure, a plaintiff must file a supporting affidavit (preferably of a computer forensics expert), outlining why only the ISP can link the IP address to John Doe's true identity. The affidavit must also demonstrate that the plaintiff has what Justice Wilkins in Irwin Toy referred to as "a prima facie case as against John Doe in respect to the allegations made in the statement of claim." That, in his view, was the "appropriate test for the court to apply in determining whether or not to order a non-party [ISP] to disclose the identity of an [IP] address." It is not enough to simply issue a statement of claim against John Doe. Otherwise, as Justice Wilkins emphasized in Irwin Toy, "the fact of the anonymity of the Internet could be shattered for the price of the issuance of a spurious statement of claim and the benefits obtained by the anonymity lost in inappropriate circumstances." In Irwin Toy, an anonymous individual had sent an e-mail to approximately 75 individuals using an Internet alias: [email protected]. The e-mail contained false information about Irwin Toy's management team and George Irwin's reputation. It also attached two private and confidential electronic files. The plaintiffs did not recognize the name George Jodie. Using a communications and Internet consulting firm's services, the plaintiffs were able to track the Internet alias to a particular IP address and that address to iPrimus Canada, an ISP. Justice Wilkins ordered iPrimus Canada to disclose the true identify of George Jodie by way of a written interrogatory. In his reasons, Justice Wilkins indicated that, as far as he was aware, an ISP owes no duty or is under no obligation to voluntarily disclose the identify of an IP address or to provide that information upon request. He also indicated that forcing a plaintiff to commence a lawsuit against an ISP in order to obtain the identity of the real tortfeasor would be unjust and expensive, especially since the law in Ontario respecting the liability of an ISP for the actions of its customers is not clear. Irwin Toy is the only Canadian case dealing with motions of this type in which any reasons are available. Accordingly, the frequency with which these motions are being sought in Canada is not easily determined. The prevalence of e-mail in our society suggests, however, that numerous opportunities for using these motions may well arise, if they haven't already. There have been two recent instances in which the Ontario Superior Court of Justice has ordered an ISP to disclose customer information. On June 3, Justice Paul Rivard in Ontario First Nations Limited Partnership v. John Doe (Ontario Superior Court of Justice Court File No. 02-CV-229617CM3) compelled ExecuLink Internet, an ISP, to divulge the name and address of a user who had sent an e-mail disclosing certain confidential financial information. On June 17, Canadian Blood Services obtained an order from Justice Pierre Mercier (Ontario Superior Court of Justice Court File No. 02-CV-20980), forcing a representative of Rogers to attend at an examination for discovery to answer the following questions concerning the true identity of the John Doe defendant: What is the true name of the individual? What is that individual's last known address? What work and telephone numbers are available for that individual? How long has the individual been a subscriber of rogers@home? How long has the individual operated the account? Does the individual continue to have the account? Does the individual have any other accounts with rogers@home? Has rogers@home received any complaints or other inquiries relating to this individual? Does rogers@home or any of its affiliates have any knowledge, information or belief relating to any of the issues raised in the statement of claim? Canadian Blood Services also sought to have Rogers provide any and all documentation in the possession of it or any of its affiliates relating to this individual, obliterating only any information relating to bank accounts or credit card numbers. The individual in question had sent anonymous e-mails to Canadian Blood Services claiming that he was a sexually active gay man who donates blood. Canadian Blood Services sued the individual for negligent misrepresentation because he had lied on a questionnaire that all potential donors must sign. That questionnaire asked male donors if they had had sex with a man, since 1977 (the beginning of the AIDS epidemic). If the potential donors said yes, they were banned from donating blood. In one e-mail message, the individual admitted that he and his partner had lied about their sexual histories on the questionnaire and had given blood. He said: "I'm a gay man. I have been involved in a long-term committed relationship." He further stated: "Both my partner and myself have been tested for the HIV virus and are both negative, and intend to stay that way. We are both honest people, and are both blood donors." Justice Mercier also ordered that the individual identified as John Doe attend an examination for discovery on at least 24 hours' notice. Ordinarily, a defendant is afforded an opportunity to first defend the matter before having to attend such an examination. According to a report by Glen McGregor in the June 26 Ottawa Citizen, this examination has already taken place and Canadian Blood Services is now working with hospitals to trace the blood donations made by the individual and his partner. Whether a plaintiff, once armed with John Doe's true identity, will amend the statement of claim and proceed with an action for damages against the named defendant, depends, as in every other case, on the plaintiff's appetite for litigation, the strength of the evidence, the ability to prove and recover damages, and the settlement prospects. Regardless of the plaintiff's intentions, however, once an ISP discloses the customer's personal information to the plaintiff, that customer's anonymity has been irretrievably lost. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 6:09pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | For someone who's a law student, you provided a lot of info that has 0 to do with the PIPA act in BC (passed in 04). So much for it being a grey area, which it's not in BC and many other provinces. Once it's law, there's no grey area. PIPA act covers any/all forms of collecting personal data, including ISP's, and what one can do with said private information. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 6:49pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | "I got the ip from his email." That's not what you said. "Well its not hard to match the IP of the email sent to Graeme, with the IP posted on LV.. put it to ya this way.. I know enough mods on this site to get the answer I needed." ... "Ive been studying law and intellectual property rights for the past few years. The majority of what Mike is stating is actually true. " What's your name? I'd like to ensure I don't hire you should I need a lawyer for anything related to British Columbia, the province LiveVictoria is based in, as opposed to Ontario where it most definitely is not. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 7:50pm | ||
| trew User Info... | LOL This gong show is apparently so notorious that someone sent me here to read for a good laugh! It's too bad Trailer Park Boys is done with production cuz this is some quality material. Someone could have made a buck or two selling this dialog! HAHAHAHA Losers!!! - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 7:51pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Since we can't really trust the LiveVic mods anymore, I suggest anyone that values their personal info start using an anonymous proxy or one of the many CGI based sites that you can send mail from as well as surf from that strips all of your IP info out. CGI sites: http://www.freeproxy.ru/en/free_proxy/cgi-proxy.htm Proxy lists: http://www.freeproxy.ru/en/free_proxy/ - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 8:50pm | ||
| Yesser User Info... | This Graeme guy couldn't find out who his Mayor is nevermind trying to find me. This Graeme GIRL has been after me for well over a year. I placed an ad on CRAIGSLISt, a GAY ad (im gay, sue me bitch). I rejected him. He got pissed. Then started telling me that it was a joke and he didnt mean to try and get his dick sucked on CL. Then he said he was boi-curious. He is afraid i will post his emails showing him to be a faggot. He doesnt even know my first name YET. Its been 15 months of him placing threats against me. When he said to watch over my shoulder I IMMIDIATELY found out EVERYTHING about him. This is the secondary crap that comes with it. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 9:02pm | ||
| little miss sunshine User Info... | Hi All, Rest assured Graeme doesn't swing that way. (not that there is anything wrong with that!) I live with him and have for years. He doesn't leave his cave downstairs ever so that possibility is nil. He would best be classified as a born again hetrosexual virgin. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 9:44pm | ||
| KRIEG | The only thing I can deduct from the above post is that you have a homosexual living in the basement and you dislike this immensely. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:13pm | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | The only thing I can deduct from your post is that you have a homosexual living in your basement and you dislike this immensely. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:29pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | That was well played by Yesser. Pretending to be gay in order to make the Rimlord appear to be bi. well played indeed. Very sweet of Lil Miss Sunshine to come to G-Lord's defense. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:32pm Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:32pm | ||
| The Professor User Info... | I just was notified of this thread, so I'm just reading it now for the first time and getting caught up. First, off I'd like to clarify that an IP address itself doesn't contain any personal information. To get any personal info, you'd have to go to their ISP who would only turn over any information if they were given justification such as a warrant. As has been pointed out, IPs are both easy to aquire, and easy to hide/fake. They don't provide much serious evidence, but if two ips coincide, it's often an easy way to determine if say, the same person is posting with two different accounts. Mike is a Moderator, and so he has access to the IPs it's important for moderators to have this info at times, such as for dealing with spammers. I do think that it is a dilemma whether it is right for him to release the IP to another person, or event verify, if it is the same as another IP. If both incidents happened on this board, I would deem it to be within his realm to use that info (the IP) to moderate board content, but since it involves IPs from email, and harassment happening elsewhere I think probably it isn't right. However, I do understand why Mike did it, and I know him to be a fair and decent person and moderator. In his shoes I might have done the same. I think there are valid arguments for both sides. I also know it gets tricky when things involve people you know, and you can't be an independent observer. In the future, I don't want any Moderators releasing IPs, or other information to third parties without the permission of an admin. I will make sure all moderators understand, and abide by this. As far as this particular debate between these two people goes, I'd rather not hear about it on this board anymore. It's gone to far, and it's becoming defamatory. Take it somewhere else. I've just spent a lot of time, that would have been better used fixing glitches and making improvements to the site, dealing with this immature flame-war. Nev - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:47pm Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:01pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Shaggy wants to be a mod SOOOOOOO badly. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:34pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Shaggy changed her username to Chopper. XY hasn't posted on here since Kim accused him of selling "meth laced ecstasy". - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:37pm Edited: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:06am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | ohh haha awesome,, Chopper = Shaggy.. that explains alot. - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:09am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | How bout Sanford, eh? The Canucks are keeping pace with Cowgirly WITHOUT Luongo and Sundin. - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:56am | ||
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| Chopper User Info... | 'Shaggy wants to be a mod SOOOOOOO badly' I already mod 3 other message boards. I have no want or need to be a mod here, for many reasons. - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 8:34am | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | "XY hasn't posted on here since Kim accused him of selling "meth laced ecstasy" Kim hasn't posted on here since I called her out for being Chopper, lol go figure! - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 9:04am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Well, I didn't get any spam today in my email. Yaaaaa - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 3:20pm | ||
| Yesser User Info... | Because you stopped being a dick. Cheers - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 5:21pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Well I did get one not to long ago for a web cam site which I never applied for ,but you would have nothing to do with that right? Are you in some way still confusing me for this Greaser Plaice? Because it is not me. - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 7:29pm Edited: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 7:32pm | ||
| Yesser User Info... | "Well I did get one not to long ago for a web cam site which I never applied for " Why? Have you applied for many? All jokes aside.......Grimlord, STOP IT. We don't need to know what is in your EMAIL inbox. ok? Stop it. You did well for 20 hours. I thought the conspiracy theories and private life disclosures were done. - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 9:09pm | ||
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