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| grimlord User Info... | A.Yesser 1. I am not a single loser in his 30's who will never pro-create. I have children, which is my CONTRIBUTION to ensure the survival of the human race. Natural Selection? Learn a bit about it. It means that the WINNERS like me, will procreate and evolve, the losers like you, WONT. 2. I pay more in taxes than you earn, in a year. My taxes pay for your family's welfare cheque. 3. I am a homeowner. You are not. My home owning ensures that i CONTRIBUTE even more through property taxes. My property taxes pay for your services. You pay nothing. You pay a minute (not as in a clock, idiot) amount of societies bills. 4. I volunteer at a Crisis Center. You don't. You volunteer as a drunken loser at Logans. 5. I am educated, you aren't. Where is your intellectual contribution? Huh? If i spoke with any longer words than this, you would never be able to read it. Grade 9 you have? You can't even contribute to a Grade 11 Pep-Rally. or B.Grimlord I work for the L.E.D. industry making substrate for other mali-billion dollar company's to grow light emitting diodes on.So in fact I am helping the world by contributing to cut world energy consumption down and finding new and better ways for us all to live.For almost 2 years I helped out at the food bank ,helping the needy and hungry your thoughts: - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 4:19pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | based on this post, it would appear that Yesser contributes more. however, you forgot to include that he's a huge jerk. so, no matter what his "contribution" is based on what he's outlined, he'll always detract more by being that asshole nobody wants to hear from. don't even get me started on his gay-bashing comments. I feel really, really, really sorry for his children, who are probably going to have a horrible upbringing, then become little versions of their father. - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 5:18pm Edited: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 5:22pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | But Yesser, I am sure is a 'YY' chromo . So we should all be afraid he is putting his inferior DNA into the world gene pool. - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 9:27pm Edited: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 9:50pm | ||
| Yesser User Info... | Grimlord, I have you wrapped. This clearly proves that you need some serious professional help. Are you this intrigued by me? Huh? Have I hurt you so much that you need to start a ridiculous thread like this? Please remember it is YOU who is constantly following me whereever I post on LiveVictoria. You are like a lost puppy. Plus....what the fuck is MALI-BILLION?. You are so fucking dumb it's sad. SO sad. My 11 year old daughter has better spelling than you. You can't even string a sentence together. Seriously Grimlord, you are one fucking loser who is bent completely out of shape over ME. - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:16pm Edited: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:16pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | You{in another persona} started the whole thing why back and slagged me and tried to make me look bad .I am just given it back. What ,you can't handle it? SUCK IT UP PRINCES . And calling me on spelling is 11 year oldish. P.S. I don't have to try and make you look bad you do a good job yourself. - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:38pm Edited: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:41pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I vote for the Lord of the Rim! ...............wait. what? - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Oh Yesser, how many persona do you have on here? I see you are using yes sir as your current.Why so many? Is it because you make a fool out of yourself and people think you suck HARD, so much you have to change it? - Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:55pm Edited: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:41am | ||
| Hearse User Info... | When the fuck did the board get taken over by 12 year-olds? Seriously, go have a circle jerk competition behind the junior high already. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 9:30am | ||
| tom User Info... | Bike racks after school....be there! - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 9:40am | ||
| IcePrincess666 User Info... | Will you please just take it all off and fuck already? I will hold the camera!!! Gay sex turns me on. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:43am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | "Grimlord. Really. This is enough." Okay He asked me to stop after accusing me of busting in on threads he was on so. I'll stop picking on him ,or her.But that's not to say others wouldn't. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:44am Edited: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:10pm | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | Careful guys we all now know that when you don’t see eye to eye on Live Vic you are likely to get stabbed in the eye by guys named Dan! So lets all work on agreeing with each other and conforming to one belief. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:11pm | ||
| Lucius User Info... | that is all great and all, but who really has the bigger dick???? Cheers, lucius - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:19pm | ||
| IcePrincess666 User Info... | Great question! Do tell boys???? Which one IS bigger and how big is it? - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:46pm | ||
| Nicholas Antoni Marek Gibas User Info... | Post your dicks, assholes. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 1:33pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | lol...please don't post them... - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 1:48pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | I should have realized how gay liv vic. is . - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 1:48pm | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | Well, if you post you’re a pic of your dick that would make you pretty gay, but I trust you won't do that! And I don't want to see Yessers wang; I hear Asians are small LMAO. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 1:54pm Edited: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 1:55pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | "I should have realized how gay liv vic. is" Do homosexuals SCARE YOU? Grow the fuck up. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 3:00pm | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | K, I think that GAY can sometimes be used instead of LAME, so GAY=HAPPY or LAME .Not necessarily a knock against the gay community so if a homosexual is offended by using the word gay as lame then what do we do? Can’t walk on eggshells, so homosexuals just need to accept the fact that some people use the word gay in different contexts. OK - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 3:11pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | No gays don't scare me.Sexual preference is a personal choice,and I have no problem with the homosexual community. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 3:36pm Edited: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 3:41pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | "Can’t walk on eggshells, so homosexuals just need to accept the fact that some people use the word gay in different contexts." Whatever nigger. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 3:56pm | ||
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| superslacks User Info... | "I think that GAY can sometimes be used instead of LAME, so GAY= . . . LAME" I actually remember some dipshit saying something like that - just before he got dropped. That ignorant shit just doesn't fly in the real world. Maybe it's because you feel safe in this anonymous forum, or maybe your world is so fucking small, but if you keep talking that crap it's just a matter of time before someone hands you your teeth. If you think respect means you have to walk on eggshells - it's probably just a matter of time . . . . or, maybe just pull your head out of your ass and make room for Bald-Headed John, you repressed homo . . . - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 4:32pm | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | That's right hearse, using the term gay with the meaning lame is not really a big deal yeah it's derogatory, but not a big deal. I would never come straight out and call a gay man a fag or a gay woman a dyke, those words will never leave my lips, same with the word you used. I have been known to make racial jokes from time to time, again never really going quite as far as you just did, good job chump. An superslacks, you have never heard someone say hey that show was gay? where have you been, there would be a lot of toothless people on this website if your story is true. - Mon, 22 Dec 2008 4:39pm Edited: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 4:41pm | ||
| Hearse User Info... | Sorry buddy, you don't get to decide which words offend which people. Your use of 'gay' is as offensive as the use of 'nigger'. You can use whatever rationalization you want, but it doesn't change the facts. When you use 'gay' you sound like a bigot. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 8:45am | ||
| Lucius User Info... | I've heard many of my friends use sentences like: "that was gay" = that was dumb (offends Gay/lesbian) "this guy jewed me" = he ripped me off (offends Jews) "I got gypped" = I got ripped off (Offends Gypsies) It is not a matter of them be malicious but rather just using legacy terms of the days of old. It obviously doesn't make it okay but I find that once you point it out then they'll think about it a little bit and chose not to use that term anymore. To make this a more positive thread, does anyone have terms that seem harmless but are offensive?? - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 9:13am | ||
| tom User Info... | My 75 year old crab supplier (Asian guy, hair dyed platinum blonde at the moment) telling me...and I quote.... "Shit,they got me working like a goddam coolie down here at the plant, goddammit" - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 9:30am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | It's probably a waste of time, but wtf . . . your logic is brilliantly assinine . . . Firstly I was talking about in the REAL WORLD, which is a lot bigger than Victoria, with more consequences than a LiveVic grudge. And if you keep talking that shit it really is just a matter of time. Will someone actually 'hand you your teeth'? Probably not, I was using a fairly common expression to describe the ass-kicking that's coming if you keep using hateful, ignorant expressions in the REAL WORLD. You might get your ass kicked. You might get pushed around a bit. Who knows? I'd probably just ignore you (like I should've done to this post), but I know a couple people who WILL (and have) chosen more direct methods to educate people like you. Of COURSE I've heard that word used in that way. The most offensive part is how you keep defending it. The fact that you say you wouldn't call a gay man 'fag' demonstrates you KNOW you're wrong. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 9:32am | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | Yah Yah Yah, sorry I offended you with my words. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 9:41am | ||
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| IcePrincess666 User Info... | “To make this a more positive thread, does anyone have terms that seem harmless but are offensive??” I saw some guy get beat up for calling another guy “buddy” once! Oh and then there is the word “goof” a lot of guys get their knickers in a bunch over that one! I think it all depends on they way you say the words, I have used the word Gay as lame before, and I got called on it right away because someone’s family member was gay and they took offence to it. I haven’t use it since, well at least I have tried not too, but I have heard so many people use it in that context for sure, not sure if they mean to be condescending with it or it’s just slang they picked up over the years like me. Either way it doesn’t make you sound very educated, like using the word “fucking” instead of “um” that drives me nuts especially when girls do it. Oh wait “Merry Christmas” offends people to! You know the whole religion thing. HAPPY HOLIDAYS! Happy Hanukah? Is that spelled right? My favorite though is MERRY FUCKING HOHO SLAYER. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 9:52am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | Gay means 'joyous' doesnt it? Even the flintstones had a gay old time. I always thought when people said 'that band are gay' that they thought the band were too happy or something. I have clientele who are lesbians and they attend 'dyke' functions all the time. Dykes for this, Dykes for that, etc etc. So obviously this word doesnt offend them, and some of these are true blue dykes in their 60's that grew up when being gay was really taboo. Too many honky's on this board. Did ya hear that? you are all a bunch of whitebread pc cracker honky's. Anyone offended by that? ps: the land mines my dog placed in my back yard have more to contribute to this board than either of these morons. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:12am Edited: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:16am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Ha ha, sure I'll volunteer to be offended if no-one else wants to . . . . I appreciate Lucius' suggestion of keeping things more positive . . . . and what could be more positive than stamping out ignorance for the holidays? I'm sure those lesbians would take issue if the word 'dyke' became synonymous with something negative. Like, what if we all started referring to the smell of rotting fish as 'dykey'? As in "I never shop at Fairway Market, it always smells so dykey!"? Now, who could possibly be offended by that? Easy now, children . . . . - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:25am Edited: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:26am | ||
| Doc User Info... | Mike S., those lesbians are engaging in disempowerment empowerment. They are taking the word to use in a positive context before it can be used against them in a negative one. I assure you that they would most likely be offended if someone else used it outside of that specific context. To address what Ice princess said, I am offended by people taking offence at hearing Merry Christmas. If the religion thing bothers you then DON'T CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAY!!! It is a religious holiday and the religion should not be removed from it, that would be wrong. If you're worried about offending someone who isn't a Christian then say nothing, or better yet wait for them to say something first. If you know that a person celebrates a differnt holiday, like Kwanza (sp?) or Chanukah then wish them a happy one of those. However, the corporate secularization of the celebration of MY saviour's birth, and yours if you choose, offends me. ~Merry CHRISTmas everybody. Doc P.S. It's spelled with a "C" at the beginning Ice Princess. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:48am Edited: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:49am | ||
| Mike S. User Info... | Doc.. I realize this. Im just havin fun with the subject at hand. This board is really quite ludicrous these days. But every now and then ya gotta throw the monkey's a few bananas or they get bored. JB is probably laughin his ass off somewhere at all this pap. Happy Festivus everyone. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:56am | ||
| superslacks User Info... | I used to use the word "Bitch" until someone pointed out it offends female dogs. Now I just say "cunt" or "twat". . . . a lot. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:00am | ||
| Pierce User Info... | I say Retard a lot. As in, "Stop being a fukin retard", or , "That's retarded" But I am allowed, because I am from Newfoundland and every family in Newfoundland has an actual retarded person in it. The same reason Blacks can say Ni**e* and whites can't. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:56am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | I think religion does nothing but cues war, and hate for people who don't wont anything to do with believing in a higher power.We are that power.And until we all wake and relies, we(as in the human race) are all brothers and sisters and only have each other here on Earth, we will keep making the same mistakes.If you took all the people who don't wont religion off the planet,and left people who do, the world would soon self destruct. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 1:16pm Edited: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 1:18pm | ||
| Tambo User Info... | Man, I love Livevictoria. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 1:31pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | I take it all back I just found god He was sitting out side Shoppers bumming change. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 2:14pm Edited: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 2:15pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Wow. For real? Huh. Go figure. I told Him to fuck Himself when He took my dad. I guess He took it literally . . . . - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 2:33pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Apparently I'm a non-European Canadian wight trash heathen.And I did mean gay, as in queer,a lot of fruit loops,you know fudge packers. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 3:41pm Edited: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:32pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | My Indian friends would probably call me gay if I called them "First Nations, or ""first People", or "Native North American". - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:40pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Being called a "goof" is seriously, like the worst thing you can call a guy. Will cause fight, every time. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:43pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... |  Meanwhile, you can overhear, in their pubs, patrons cheerily greeting each other, like: "aye - ya ol' cunt!" - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:52am | ||
| Jl User Info... | I cant believe how many hypocrites there are here. You people feel so justified in lambasting someone for using "gay" or "jew"; but you'd just as soon tell someone another "offensive" word like "fuck face". Drop the 'guise and stop playing like you're all tough hard bastards that regulate the "offensive word" laws. I can say what I feel and what I want to; but with that taken into account, I would never use a word(ie, nigger, jew, gay, fag) unless I were going to say it to "said persons" face. Ie, I dont call people nig', jew, or fags... I use 'fuck face', 'shit head', 'fucking asshole'. Im not saying I've 'never' used the terms that I stated above(that SOME might consider offensive); but Im saying I try to avoid using them. Grow a fucking sack you idiots. - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 2:07pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Gotta love people who get so uptight over words. There are worse things to worry about in the world. Where's PC Watchdog when you need him? - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 3:47pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | JL, maybe you should call NASA - one of their deep space probes might be able to find your point. "Fuck face"? I did a word search of this entire post and you're the only person who used that term. You might want to look up the definition of hypocrite. People discussing what they find offensive is not hypocrisy. Pointing out that certain terms are offensive but then using that term is also not hypocrisy. I knowingly cross the line all the time. If I misjudge my audience and happen to offend I will apologize. Hypocrisy is telling others how to behave while at the same time doing the opposite. What I cannot tolerate is ignorance; like people throwing around derogatory terms without any thought to whom they might offend - and then DEFENDING its usage. But even THAT isn't hypocrisy. - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 3:56pm | ||
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| Tambo User Info... | I'm so sick of snow dicks. It really wasn't even funny the first time... - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 5:21pm | ||
| Yesser User Info... | GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU COMMIE NIGGER LOVING FAGGOT LIMEY CUNT - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 5:27pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Hypocrites couldn't have said it better. - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 6:03pm | ||
| JDL User Info... | My point was, that unless you're willing to say "said offensive word" to "said offended persons" face... then dont say it at all. Simple. As for hypocrites, I cant believe there isn't one person on this thread that HASN'T used those words in the past week, if not day(s). And also, I was trying to say; instead of using "gay, jew, fag etc..."... use "fuck face, shit head, shit stain, shit log"(yes, i just watched the xmas special(s) "trailer park boys) "shit flies in circles... shit circles, ricky, shit circles" - Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:20am Edited: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:25am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | Whether you mean it or not, saying something is gay as a synonym for lame is offensive and makes you sound like a bigot. It's rarely intentional, but it is used as a synonym for lame because it was previously thought, and still is by many people, that it's a negative thing to be gay. I don't judge when people say it, because I know they don't mean it that way, but it really makes them sound like bigots. To me, at least. - Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:11am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Fuck all that gay,bra burning shit....... Did I just spell that out loud Woopsss sorry. I WIN - Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:45am Edited: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:46am | ||
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| superslacks User Info... | Ha ha I'll try not to 'worrie', whatever that means . . . - Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:01am | ||
| Jl User Info... | "Whether you mean it or not, saying something is gay as a synonym for lame is offensive and makes you sound like a bigot." ROFL. It's so funny how quick people are to point out what others are doing that is "wrong"; when in reality, they've used the same words.(not you particularly Zed.; but people in general... around here) Im not saying that I disagree with you; but its just funny how quick people are, especially around here, to a)point things out that are completely fucking mundane{ie, punctuation} b)how you're opinion is ALWAYS wrong. Im not gunna run and hide saying I've never used "gay" as an alternative to "lame"; Id be a hypocrite to even think that. That would be a completely 'gay' excuse to use ;) - Sat, 27 Dec 2008 1:31pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | to Yesser Okay ,now I know it is hard for you right now, but don't judge people if not be judge yourself.I realize it is a hard choice to make,but it will only do you good ..... just come out already.Speaking for most people now a days, we can accept you, its the 21centry . But that still doesn't excuse the fact that YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:23am Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:24am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | For someone that thinks Yessir's and asshole, you sure seem to want to give him as much attention as possible Gayham. As I said in your other thread, you 2 just need to get a room and fuck. It's more than obvious you 2 have something 'going'... - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:29am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Hatred can sometimes be misconstrued as lust,for it is intense in its conception.Not that I hate , I just wont this guy to get burned on here, and I am the only one who is doing it,(at the sacrifice of my reputation what little it is).I admit I am not the quickest when it come to smarts and I never said I was, but this is out of control now. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:08am Edited: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 1:15am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I think it's kind of demeaning to call homosexual individuals gay because that is implying that all homosexual people are always in a great mood and that is stereotyping. - Sun, 28 Dec 2008 8:00pm | ||
| J fatso User Info... | FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKIN FUCK its "WANT" not "wont". SPELL it RIGHT, i fuckin' dare you!. - Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:02pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | What? Where? When? How? Why? What? OHhh! Wount wuontd wawnt Weount FUCK Sorry man ,I just can't spell it right I want ever spell that word again, the way it is supposed too ,I can't and I want. - Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:02am | ||
| Dirk Diggler User Info... | "For someone that thinks Yessir's and asshole" Chopper you goof, looks like you finally got caught in a grammarical error, and you ride everyone else so hard to make yourself feel smart, look at you now, loser. - Fri, 2 Jan 2009 9:29pm | ||
| JDL User Info... | does it make it any better that you pointed out his grammar error? ... goof? - Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:09am | ||
| Dirk Diggler User Info... | Nope but I had to, when chopper has nothing else to insult someone with he goes straight for the spelling and grammar of his victims have you read his posts he is a complete fucking dick well worthy of any school yard insults that may come his way!!!!!!!!! - Sat, 3 Jan 2009 4:13pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | yeah but firing back with more insults at HIM only fuels and justifies people pointing out the most mundane bullshit ever... just ignore it. - Sun, 4 Jan 2009 9:44pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | Can't we all just talk like grown ups? - Mon, 5 Jan 2009 5:08pm | ||
| Chopper User Info... | 'chopper has nothing else to insult someone with he goes straight for the spelling and grammar of his victims' Umm sure numbnuts. Proof or it never happened. - Mon, 5 Jan 2009 7:40pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | what I think he meant to say was : "chopper has nothing else to insult someone with .(PERIOD). He goes straight for the spelling and grammar of his victims...(and dont forget the period that helps split the last run-on sentence)" Since we're on the subject of PROPER grammar and spelling. - Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:04am | ||
| Yesser User Info... | "just wont this guy to get burned on here, and I am the only one who is doing it" The only thing Grinlord has been doing is living with the reprecussions of not having a higher than grade 9 education. - Tue, 6 Jan 2009 3:58pm | ||
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| Jl User Info... | ...uh oh... - Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:55pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | Well at least I don't contradict myself and try and fuck over people .I have got all I need in life.Just moved to a new pad.And it is stile'N .The only thing I lack and it shows,is spelling, and all you can understand me so don't be so narrow minded, little bitches. Yesser is just mad cuz I am not gay and he wishes I was. If I was ,I wouldn't go for a guy who obviously has a small pines. - Wed, 7 Jan 2009 6:41pm | ||
| Jigsaw User Info... | He's back! - Wed, 7 Jan 2009 6:58pm | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | Small pines are a total turnoff, regardless of your sexual orientation. Who could forget Charlie Brown's small pine issues in his Christmas movie? It was so limp and lifeless. A totally flaccid pine. - Wed, 7 Jan 2009 7:32pm | ||
| Sati User Info... | ha hey, not that I care too much, but didn't Nev make a request about you two quitting it on here? Honestly, grimlord, I don't know why you bother giving that guy the time of day. I don't know you but you seem cooler than that. in other news that victoria meet-up thread response has cracked me up repeatedly since it was posted. yes, i have no life, but its still fun and apparently all ok cuz i can spell - Wed, 7 Jan 2009 8:59pm Edited: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:02pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | Small pines are gross, they don’t fill up the forest very well and are extremely hard to plant…lol…is it in the hole yet? Geez …stupid tree….lol… - Fri, 9 Jan 2009 4:57pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Wow. I just read this thread it was a good bit of entertainment. I don't know about offending the gays or any of that. What I found to be the "gayest" was this: "It is a religious holiday and the religion should not be removed from it, that would be wrong." This really struck me. Because I know people hardly think about what they say, but when they celebrate a holiday (for what seems like more than a month these days) and don't think about it at all... that's pretty ridiculous. Christmas WAS a religious holiday. Actually it was several religious holidays, but the religion was already taken out of it a LOOONG time ago by Christianity, not from Christianity. They took most of the holiday rituals from the Dionysians, and changed the celebration of Dionysus into a celebration of Christ (but kept everything else the same, except they killed all the Dionysians who refused to become Christians, even after they let them keep most of their precious holiday). And then later when they took over the Aegean religion they moved it to coincide with Christmas, and let them keep their tree worshiping, so long as they agreed to be Christians. And then later they took over the cult of St. Nicholas (by declaring him a Christian Saint 300 years after he died). And since his followers had a holiday on Dec.6 (when st.nick died) they figured it was close enough to christmas that they could lump it in with the other holidays without pissing anyone off too much. So the religion is already taken out of Christmas completely. It is a mish-mash of left-over bits and pieces of other religions (I only mentioned 3 but there are a few more). And the only Christmas traditions that aren't part of NON-Christian religions are ones started for marketing reasons, or just for fun like in Christmas stories, poems, movies, etc. In fact, the only thing that makes it a Christian religion is that they destroyed other religions and used the day to keep them happy enough that they wouldn't revolt. And of course they later decided to pretend it has something to do with the birth of Jesus, even though there is nothing written in any Christian doctrine that says Jesus was born Dec 25th. I'm done my rant. I don't really know much about history so I could be off on a few things... (dates and spellings.. Aegian? Aigean??) - Sun, 11 Jan 2009 3:47pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | The Christians were already celebrating the birth of Christ on 25 Dec before they started amalgamting otehr religions to apease pagan converts. That they did amalgamate said religions does not in any way detract from the original meaning of the celebration ie,) the birth of Christ, saviour of the world. While it is known that Jesus wasn't born at that time of year, the records of the great census were destroyed when Rome was sacked in 476 A.D., so there was no way to determine when he was born. So, they (not so) arbitrarily decided on a winter celebration to coincide with pagan celebrations to make easier the conversion of said pagans. That the Christians did this IN NO WAY diminishes the message and purpose of the original Christmas celebration. Which brings me back to my original point, it is wrong to remove the religion from Christmas. Also, the Catholic celebration of Christmas lasts eight days (from 25 Dec. to 1 Jan) and the correct spelling is, I believe, Aegean. ~Take this all of you and eat it. Doc - Sun, 11 Jan 2009 5:18pm | ||
| J. Peatman User Info... | Let's not forget the connection to the Winter Solstice and the tree as an ancient fertility symbol. And Santa Claus = Odin. Eight reindeer = Odin's horse Sleipnir, who had eight legs. - Sun, 11 Jan 2009 8:02pm | ||
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| Aidan Logins User Info... | How did Odin and Sleipnir get into the Christmas thing? I always thought the reindeer just came from that poet dude when he wrote The Night Before Christmas. Before that there was a lot about Santa Clause riding a magical horse thing... I don't know how many legs it had. "That the Christians did this IN NO WAY diminishes the message and purpose of the original Christmas celebration." wtf man, that's exactly what it does. I mean, if you celebrate it right then you could make it a good Christian holiday, but I don't know anyone who's ever done that. I mean, ginger bread men, christmas trees, santa clause and his red suit and reindeer, exchanging gifts, the date, and even the feast are all taken from religions that are NOT Christianity. The "message and purpose" of Christmas was always pretty evil shit, including a ton of socially accepted murder, rape, torture, anti-semitism, and all that sort of thing until pretty recently. - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 1:17pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "Keep your religious bullshit to your self, I couldn’t care less about the true meaning of Christmas" dude, the holiday itself came from religion... Last I checked the Bible was/is still considered religious scripture. If you celebrate christmas; you acknowledge chistianity... PERIOD. - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 2:15pm | ||
| IcePrincess666 User Info... | Oh here we go! We should be respectful of all religions and those who are not religious at all, you shouldn’t push religion on anyone and people who are not religious such as myself shouldn’t knock those who are. I wrote my comment because I was corrected at work when I said Merry Christmas to a client, I was told that it was unacceptable and that I should be aware that not all people observe Christmas as a holiday blah blah blah. So I don’t want to start a holy war on here by giving my own opinions about religion cause they are really bad but I will say, living in Canada my whole life and not being raised in a religious setting Christmas to me is about exactly what Corporal said. I enjoy everything about my Christmas, and it is really more for the kids. But I really couldn’t care about the true meaning either I like spending time with family, my days off, chocolate etc that is Xmas for me!!!!! - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 2:28pm | ||
| Corporal Jigsore Quandary User Info... | Just because it says Christmas on the calendar and most people in Canada get the day off does not mean that all people celebrate the Christian meaning of the holiday, how come Jewish people don’t get Hanukah off? Or whatever else there is around that time? I know nothing about religion and would like to keep it that way, but I do have a Xmas tree and all the goodies around December 25th because it’s a tradition in MY family. It’s a Canadian tradition for us we are NOT Christian. We celebrate family and food and fun in December because that's when we all have time off to make an effort to get the whole family together What’s wrong with that? - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 2:40pm Edited: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 2:42pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | I couldn't step foot in a church it would burn to the fucking ground...lol...but I love December 25th to me it's all about the family and everything that is sold in stores that you can't get the rest of the year!...lol...I love Candy Canes and the smell of the tree in the living room, growing up dirt poor, it was never about Christianity for us in my family we were lucky if we had turkey dinner and if the Salvation Army showed up with gifts for all 7 of us that was great too! My mom usually made us presents that was cool too…alot of us don't celebrate the true meaning just the modern version! - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 2:56pm Edited: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 3:39pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "We celebrate family and food and fun in December because that's when we all have time off to make an effort to get the whole family together What’s wrong with that? " Nothing's wrong with that; that's fantastic. But observing a Tradition, religious or otherwise, without knowing what it means or where it comes from is a little bit stupid. And in this particular case, Christmas traditions are pretty fucked up. For a very long time Christmas didn't mean family and chocolate and pretty lights. For a very long time it meant riots and killing and raping. And then hundreds of years later that was abolished, but you were still allowed to kill and rape and torture Jews. And then a while after that they got rid of that too, but they still held the Tradition of mocking Jews and forcefeeding them huge feasts and then forcing them to run naked through the main streets. And so Christmas has become less and less evil over many hundreds of years. But consider you had a time machine that could let you go into the future to celebrate a holiday with your great great great grand kids. And it was Hitler Day! hooray! the time when St. Hitler comes to town on his magic donkey and gives ice cream to all the children! and you say "but wait, Hitler was respoonsible for the deaths of a lot of people, he was a pretty bad guy!" and the kids would call you a party pooper and a scrooge and think you were nuts for saying that Hitler Day was anything short of the most wonderful time of the year. - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 8:07pm | ||
| IcePrincess666 User Info... | that's crazy that you know all that guess I need to read more into the things I take for granted, I would love to travel back in time, then again I'm the girl who would enjoy being violated and tortured on Christmas day LOL I'm freaky like that - Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:54pm | ||
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| Jl User Info... | "how come Jewish people don’t get Hanukah off? Or whatever else there is around that time?" ummmm... most devote hesidic(sp?) jewish people DO get their holidays off. I know many non practicing jewish people who use their religion in order for holidays. Whats your point? "but I do have a Xmas tree and all the goodies around December 25th because it’s a tradition in MY family. It’s a Canadian tradition for us we are NOT Christian" so you aknowledge CHRISTIANITY by celebrating the holiday, you dont HAVE to be religious to celebrate the holiday; but you cant deny the fact that it IS a christian holiday. If the holy bible were never written and all the stories/beliefs were gone; then we would not have christmas. So how can you deny the fact that you celebrate a religous holiday? And as for saying merry christmas to someone in your store; sure they may not celebrate christmas, but according to some... its more than a religious holiday so therefore we should be entitled to say it as a gesture rather than a religious spout. Or not. Seeing as I dont get greated during hannukah "hello there, Happy hannukah!"; I dont go pressing the point by force feeding religion down someone's throat. I agree with you corp. jig. and fully celebrate christmas for the same reasons; but I also aknowledge that I celebrate a Christian holiday... when my family is a practicing buddhist family(i guess that's what happens when you grow up in a chinese community that celebrates christian holidays???) - Tue, 13 Jan 2009 9:46am | ||
| Doc User Info... | Christmas never meant "riots and killing and raping." Tjose were all things that the Western European Christians did anyways regardless of what time of year it was. It has as much to do witht the fact that they were only one or two generations removed from tribes of namadic raiders as anything. The true Christian celebrations of the Orthodox Church kept by Catholicism (don't want to get into the politics of that split) involve keeping peaceful vigil to celebrate the birth of Christ. Gift giving was, in a way, a part of the celebratory process, but not in anything close to the way it is today. The modern notion of Christmas is owed entirely to Coca-Cola Ltd., and can, for all I care, go and screw itself. As for celebrating Christmas secularly as a family tradition, that in and of itself is only maybe two generations old, as before that, it was a Christian holiday and the majority of the caucasian poulation of western countries were Christian and they, your ancestors for the most part, were the ones celebrating it. Just a little food for thought. ~My God is bigger than your God. Doc. P.S. Next Year JI, I will make a point of tracking you down and greeting you with "Hello there, Happy Chaunuka." That is, of course, assuming that you were not being facetious. - Tue, 13 Jan 2009 4:17pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | "Christmas never meant "riots and killing and raping." Tjose were all things that the Western European Christians did anyways regardless of what time of year it was." Actually that's just not true. In the time of the Roman Empire the week leading up to and including Dec. 25th was the celebration of Dionysus. And the whole judicial system stopped for the whole week, there was no policing, no judges or lawyers, no army (except at war), and not only that but they actually had laws passed that no one could be held responsible to any destruction of property or harm of people during that week. People got drunk and rioted and there was a lot of killing, raping, and destruction of property. This tradition continued for a long time once the Christians took over the Dionysian cult but were eventually changed so that the law only applied to the Jews. They still had crazy riots, but they were only allowed to hurt Jews. And later this became just humiliation and beating of Jews. And was later abolished completely. But for nearly a thousand years, the week ending on the 25th was extremely separate from the rest of the year and included all that shit I mentioned. This was also the case in other places, but traditions were a little different. Some people had controlled killings, as a way to get rid of all their evil demons over one week so they can have good luck for the rest of the year. Some places had it where they killed a select few individuals that were chosen to represent the evil present in the community. But they all happened in December and were all religions that eventually got taken over by Christianity and Christianity assimilated all of those holidays into Christmas, usually letting them practice the exact same traditions, but replacing whatever deity they celebrated with Jesus. So yeah, things could get pretty violent in those times for many reasons all year round, but Christmas time was a special time where those evils were socially acceptable and everyone joined in. Those that couldn't or didn't want to made little symbolic man cookies and ate them instead of killing real people. Information on the actual history of Christmas is EXTREMELY hard to find, because most people (including many of the most popular encyclopedias) don't want to ruin the fun for kids. But that's about everything I remember from when I was looking into it a few years back. So I'm pretty much done with this thread. - Tue, 13 Jan 2009 6:13pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | What you have described, are the actions preformed by PAGANS at the time Christianity chose to celebrate the birth of Christ, admittedly in an effort to convert said pagans. These actions are CONTRARY to the entire belief system of Christians (except beating Jews because they killed the Messiah, a practice I do NOT condone). Christ was a pacifist and he preached the same. "But I say this to you: offer no resistance to the wicked. On the contrary, if anyone hits you on the right cheek, offer him the other as well; if someone wants to go to law with you to get your tunic, let him have your cloak as well" - Matthew 5:39-40. Christianity as a whole gets a pretty bad rap for the things that people who happen to be Christians do. Lets not forget, Hitler was a practicing Lutheran, and the Lutheran church was publicly supportive of ALL of his policies. However, this does not make all Christians warmongering, anti-semetic, psychotic despots. ~Blessed are the lovers of metal, for they are the ones who rock! Doc - Tue, 13 Jan 2009 8:19pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | yeah Doc, I don't mean to be saying anything against Christianity, just Christmas traditions. So yes, what I have described are pagan traditions that became a part of a Christian holiday. I wasn't trying to put down Christianity, in fact I think Jesus was a pretty awesome dude. Unfortunately, almost none of his followers are like him. "this does not make all Christians warmongering, anti-semetic, psychotic despots." I never said they were. But as a group they have been. Individuals act nothing like themselves when acting for the good of something bigger than themselves. That's how Hitler had so much power. The Nazis weren't all bad people, but they weren't acting in their own interests. Just as not many Christians are war mongers, but there have been many wars fought in the name of Christ. And not many Christians are antisemitic, but most of them will behave that way if necessary to defend their Church. Not many Christians are psychotic despots, but Christianity- as a group mind - often displays those characteristics. Any ways, my only point I wanted to make was that most traditions that people follow on Christmas have little or nothing to do with Christ. I don't want to make this a religious argument because those are impossible. Because when religious people argue about religion they use their self transcendent logic instead of their self assertive logic... and self transcendent logic is totally ridiculous. - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 8:42am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | Since this has already gone off track a bit... I still wonder how anyone turns mythology into faith. This has always fascinated me, and is probably why I enjoyed mythology in high school and still do. As has been pointed out, it's rare for a christian to follow the tenets of their own teachings. All one has to do is look back over the history of man to see that, in one form or another, christianity has been behind or allied with people/countries/governments that caused a lot of 'acts' that clearly go against their own tenets. Jesus was just a guy that was a highly charismatic 'magician'. Nothing more, nothing less. - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:38am | ||
| Doc User Info... | While Christianity was associated with the people/countries/governments as Chopper says, the only wars that can fairly be said to be "fought in the name of Christ" as you put it Aidan are are the Crusades (obviously) and the Thirty Years War (and even then after the first five or so years, the combatants abandonned all pretense of religious motivation). Outside of that, the only wars that the Catholic Church has declared to be "just wars", meaning that participating is not viewed as a malicious violation of the third commandment, are the World War I and II. Aside from those, wars have just been what they are today, instruments of politics and international relations. ~Peace through superior fire power. Doc. - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 3:24pm | ||
| Bounce User Info... | This is all so fucked, I hope there is something after death and I believe there is, but I believe it really has nothing to do with a god, but your own subconscious sprirituality. Like where you go when you dream... I know there is a connection between the dead and the living…. I have felt it and had unexplainable experiences with a friend of mine who passed away. But I’m not going to live this life thinking that if I do anything wrong my next life will be that of punishment. I’m going to indulge in all I can to make me happy in this life… as much of a “sinner” I am. Which in some religions would be considerable I really don’t care what they think of the way I live MY life…I try to have fun in everything I do…I would be pretty mad if I was good and missed out on a lot of fun in this life only to find out that all that awaited me in death was blackness… - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 3:50pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Haha Doc. That was funny. That didn't help your point at all... That's like say your wife told you she was faithful to you. Except for Derek last year on and off for a few months. And Juan for two weeks in Mexico last summer. And a couple of other guys she just met in a bar as one night stands. But she's faithful right now... Would you say she's faithful? anyways it's not just wars. There were lots of other things, like the Christmas killings. And like the witch hunts, which were worse than the Holocaust (in terms of the sheer number of people killed). And not just killing either, but also stifling art and science in the name of the Christian God. And oppression. and on and on... AND the 30 years war, AND the crusades. I mean, even if was JUST those two that would be pretty fucking horrific. - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 4:35pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | If those are pretty horrific, how about the THOUSANDS of wars fought in the name of secular political gain. Secularists make Hitler look like he was throwing a bloody tea party. How about the ROMAN's for shit's sake, they carved a bloody path all the way across Europe to rival or surpass Christianity (Romans were pretty much everywhere, and Christianity was not ONLY spread through violence). And I thank you to keep my wife out of it, I'm fighting clean and I don't think it unreasonable to ask you to do the same. ~Hey! Anyone want to see my really big ... turnip? Doc P.S. I agree with Chopper too, when did this threat stop being about Yessir and Grimlord's man crush on each other? - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 5:45pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | oh sorry Doc, I didn't mean your wife. I didn't know you had a wife or anything, I meant it as in anyone's wife- as an example of parallel logic. And yes, every violent conflict for any reason ever has been horrific. That doesn't mean it's okay to have a few wars under your belt just because someone else has more. And like I said before, I'm wasn't speaking against religion here just the integrity of it's current traditions and rituals. Damn, I just reread my last post and it does sound like I meant to be mean =\ sorry again I really didn't mean Your Wife specifically. I also think that wars fought for secular political gain are horrific and evil shit. That's why I not only avoid religious doctrine but also political affiliation and cults of idealism and nationalism, patriotism, and all those sort of groups, really any kind of self-transcending that leads to giving up control of your own reason and logic and replacing it with trust in something bigger and higher than yourself. Because those are the things that lead to all that horrific stuff. But of course I could be totally wrong and maybe I'm missing out, because maybe those things cause fighting because they really are worth dying and killing for... but to be on the safe side I just stay out of it. - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:39pm | ||
| Conjuring Debauchery User Info... | All I know is ,I have a lot of bills to pay right about now. - Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:01pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Are you people seriously fighting about Christmas? I only had time to skim through your novelesque posts, so maybe I missed something. Isn't this thread supposed to be about getting Rimlord leid? - Fri, 16 Jan 2009 2:23am Edited: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 3:50am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | .......and also.......don't kid yourself by thinking religion has caused so much war. We would have found something to fight over, with or with out it ~God is a good God. - Fri, 16 Jan 2009 4:02am | ||
| Doc User Info... | No Trev, that was a different thread that was about getting Grimlord laid. This threat was about Yessir and Grimlords homo-erotic relationship. ~Tit wanks rule! Doc - Fri, 16 Jan 2009 8:15pm | ||
| Conjuring Debauchery User Info... | Seems too me , that "Rimlord" is just a pawn in someone's little gay lust over. But he put up a pathetic fight. - Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:21pm | ||
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