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Satriani sues Coldplay...
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| Mr. Hell User Info... | I really dislike Coldplay. This made my week: "Guitarist sues over 2008 Coldplay hit AP - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:32:15 -0500 (EST) A noted guitarist has sued members of Coldplay, claiming the band's smash hit "Viva La Vida" copied parts of one of his songs. The copyright infringement lawsuit by Joe Satriani was filed Thursday in federal court in Los Angeles. The 52-year-old claims Coldplay copied "substantial, original portions" of his 2004 song, "If I Could Fly." The Coldplay hit, which was nominated for a Grammy this week, has topped charts around the world and been used to sell iPods in commercials. Representatives for the band and their label, Capitol Records, did not return calls seeking comment on Friday. Satriani wants a federal judge to order an accounting so he can determine how much money he may be owed, or else stop using the song." Judge for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 5:58pm Edited: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 6:03pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | One day, every new song will be a ripoff. There are only so many progressions. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 6:29pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Be that as it may, there are still copyright laws and people are entitled to royalties that come from ideas that they were the first to acquire the rights to. I'd be happy if he wins money, but I'd rather they have to stop playing that song forever. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 6:41pm Edited: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 6:41pm | ||
| Spinvis User Info... | Crazy, its pretty much exactly the same. I still have a soft spot for that Coldplay song though... sorry... haha - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 7:01pm | ||
| Dr.Skin User Info... | Black Sabbath that's all I hear. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 7:54pm Edited: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 7:54pm | ||
| Tyler User Info... | that's, what, a II, V, I, VI? with some extensions? basically one of the most common chord progressions ever (II V I) with the VI as a vehicle to get back to the II? and the melody is only similar for a couple bars. I guess the tempo and pop-rock beat are the same. I can think of way bigger and more relevant ripoffs. Fly Me To The Moon uses this progression in a nearly identical form, except it turns the I into a II and continues in a cycle, whereas these two songs in question just repeat the progression again. my old piano teacher used to make me do all the major and minor II-V-Is (in the major case, with the I as a Maj7, then as a Maj6, which is an inversion of the VI mi7). it was an exercise. am I going to be getting a call from Satriani? I mean, I hate to sound like I'm defending Coldplay, because I really don't like their music, but Satriani based his song off of a formula and exercise anyway. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 8:46pm Edited: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 8:48pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Nope. Joe won't be calling you because you haven't made a shitload of money of a melody and chord progression that he copyrighted in 2004. He isn't claiming to have invented it. I suppose the judge will be the judge of this. You and Coldplay can go cry in each other's arms. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 9:30pm | ||
| Endeløs User Info... | "I'm defending Coldplay" Any point you are trying to make instantly becomes void, you homo. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:32pm Edited: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:32pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Tyler, this isn't about the progression, that's obviously trivial. It's about the melody of the chorus. I think Satch has a case. I don't know if he'll be able to establish that Chris Martin heard the song and pinched it, but I think he has a legitimate claim. Both songs suck in eerily similar ways. Not that I'm big on copyright legislation the way it's current enforced - every time I hear Bittersweet Symphony I get bummed out that Mick Jagger is getting richer and Richard Ashcroft is getting dick. - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 1:48am | ||
| grimlord User Info... | How many times have you come up with either a riff or a melody and put it down ,and listen to it back ,then say that sounds to much like so and so? And the throw it out or change key or arrange shit different? Well what if you never herd of said melody and just went with it ?I think there is nothing left that hasn't been done.It is all on who you are and how you play it ,and the feel you have for it .And when someone steels that feeling from you , you fight for it.But like I said, there is nothing left that has not already been done.Unless we develop better hearing on the high and low frequencies. - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 2:02am Edited: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 2:15am | ||
| goff User Info... | ear piercing highs and inaudible lows?? sounds like a Hit. those shitty leads pissed me of way more than the coldplay version though - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 8:45am | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | I'm pretty sure you can't copyright a chord progression anyways. That would be kind of ridiculous. When you copyright a song it's usually just lyrics and melody. Or a specific recording of a song, to protect from sampling and that sort of thing. - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:58am | ||
| evilkleg User Info... | Fuck do I hate Coldplay. Could there ever be a more whiny, pretentious, self important band? Now they are ripping off Satch and he won't see a penny because Coldplay sells more albums and are hence "more important" Commerce always trumps art when it comes down to it. If it goes to a jury, I guarantee more of the jurors will have heard Coldplay than Stariani and they will win. And to add insult to injury, Coldplay will probably win the grammy too. I'm sorry, but that melody is WAY too close to be a coincedence. - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 1:06pm | ||
| Swingin' Joe User Info... | I think Slash is gonna sue Satriani next. Can't win em' all. - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 1:31pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | I hope Steve Vai and Train get mixed up in this. - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 3:37pm | ||
| Zedius User Info... | I personally think Coldplay are a bunch of hacks. It's partly because they're uninteresting, but also partly because they intentionally rip off songs they like parts of. They've admitted it. Here's another song that viva la vida could have been "inspired" by: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KEGHfQuZJY&feature=related Here's PJ Harvey's "You said something" and Coldplay's "Warning sign": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LORGWrKw60 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlkismBvlQk Not as obvious, right? A simple coincidence maybe. But here is Chris Martin talking about his songwriting method: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/10/05/smoking-section-coldplay-counting-crows-and-albert-hammond-jr/ And here's coldplay vs. kraftwerk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HvgI4lUS0 I'd be inclined to say that lots of people do it, and at least they admit to it. I just don't think that they themselves bring anything to the table. They seem to have this hummable banality that kids are all the rage for these days. Here are some other possible rip offs: Audioslave - Show me how to live (the vocal in the verse) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMtivHV47A Nirvana - Blew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Ft1aQJscc Nine Inch Nails - A warm place http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1vxJb6MQ34 David Bowie - Crystal Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm2ciX0_UP8 Green Day - Hitchin a ride http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwx0v7Z4cMg Stray Cats - Stray cat strut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGg3_T_FcOQ - Mon, 8 Dec 2008 1:29am | ||
| Lucius User Info... | Coldplay=(U2 + suck) Cheers, Lucius - Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:33am | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | Zedius, Sine Wave by Mogwai is another version of Crystal Japan/A Warm Place. I've always wanted to know the story behind A Warm Place. Trent Reznor had already been working (or in contact) with David Bowie at that point (if I have my timelines right). It is the same song, no question. It's almost like that progression/melody has fallen into the public domain for use by artists who want to treat it well. It's beautiful no matter how I've heard it performed. - Thu, 11 Dec 2008 1:30am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | Thanks for the info. I'll check out Sine Wave. I've been wanting to check out Mogwai anyway. Trent Reznor apparently acknowledges that it's the same song, and that he'd heard it before, but it wasn't an intentional copy. I guess he started playing it, and it sounded good to him, and it sounded good because subconsciously he was remembering a Bowie B-side some years prior. I think that happens a lot. - Thu, 11 Dec 2008 8:29am | ||
| JDL User Info... | what would happen if you layered all those tracks that "sound" like each other; over top of each other? Would they play EXACTLY note for note(melody wise) as Satch's song when layered over top of that lame ass Cold Play song? I did the bowie and nin song... they sound VERY similar; but when I played them over-top of each other, you can hear a DISTINCT difference. I dont know why everyone's getting up-tight or feel they have to illustrate that other people around the world are doing the same thing. Sure, they may be doing the same thing; but when its as clear as fucking day(like the situation between Satch and Cold Play) its like copy and pasting an article from an encyclopedia and accepting a high grade on that paper "you" wrote... obveously, there are consequences when you PLAGERIZE. - Thu, 11 Dec 2008 2:38pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | IMO, Joe is only suing because Coldplay is teh ghey. What happened to his hair? - Thu, 11 Dec 2008 3:49pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "One day, every new song will be a ripoff. There are only so many progressions" sure there are only so many; but theres a million different ways to project/play "said" progression... its all about the feel of the groove/melody. And the melody that coldplay used was an exact copy of that in satch's song. THAT's clear cut plagerism. If you guys really need another example, Kenny Wayne Sheppard and Pearl Jam released songs respectively titled differently but structured EXACTLY the same. One was Yellow Ledbetter(p.j) and the other While We Cry(KWS). When both were asked by rolling stone whether they'd heard either's song... they said No. Nothing further came of it. But when you layer those songs together; you get the same song. If you listen to any jazz, fusion, blues... they're all built on standards; but each and every song has a different 'feel' to it, thus making it fresh and a new. Now im not saying that D,A,G played in open form instead of a power chord is changing the 'feel'. But what I am getting at is that you can play the same chords that are used in 1 song and make them sound completely different by changing the inflections, or accents you are able to create/use. ps, that bowie song IS AMAZING... - Thu, 11 Dec 2008 5:01pm | ||
| KnifeGhost User Info... | JDL, there used to be a clip on YouTube that layered the two songs, and it sounded like Satch was jamming with Chris Martin and the boys. Interestingly, it's been taken down due to a copyright complaint by EMI, Coldplay's label. Other unofficial posting of Coldplay songs are all over YouTube, and the video they objected to, IMHO, falls under fair use for purposes of parody or criticism. Draw your own conclusion. The feel of Crystal Japan and A Warm Place (and Sine Wave, for that matter) are very different, but the progression, melody, and construction are exactly the same. They're without question the same song, though the performances and arrangements are very different. - Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:41am | ||
| Jl User Info... | I know the situation; and i was referring to the other references in question. Whether or not you layered Green Day with Stray Cats you'd get the EXACT song, is what I was originally referring to(and not just those 2 songs particularly). Im all for Satch in this case. I just dont know why everyone(or even just 'some') thinks that theres an inevitable end to creativity in music. - Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:47am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | Regarding Green Day and Stray Cats; the video plays a large part in that one too. The feel of both songs is very similar, the songs are very similar, and the videos are very similar. I think the video pushes it over the edge, but then again who knows? - Sat, 13 Dec 2008 1:46am | ||
| Jl User Info... | ok fair enough, but in terms of copyright laws... 'similar' doesn't cut it. In the case of Satch and Cold Play... they are EXACT. Not just the 'feel' or are they 'similar'... When layered on each other, they are exactly one in the same songs. - Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38am | ||
| Zedius User Info... | Yeah, I can agree with that. - Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:34pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | sorry but i just think it's a joke. I bet it took satch 2 minutes to "write" that part. 20 bucks on he just went in the studio with a drum beat and threw it down. give me a break. dont get me wrong, i listened to surfiing with the alien 100,000 times when i used to smoke lots of pot, but this is a joke. I think satch is simply low on the dough and if he isn't he's just lookin for some publicity. - Mon, 15 Dec 2008 8:57pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "I think satch is simply low on the dough and if he isn't he's just lookin for some publicity." it still gives Coldplay no right to plagerise his material. Money aside(and dont forget the endorsements satch does; and how much Ibanez has invested in him), and despite how long it took him to write that "part"; it still does not justify copying his material in any way shape for form. PERIOD. - Mon, 15 Dec 2008 9:15pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | If I took Enter Sandman's main riff and made a song out of it with the same vocal phrasing and released it, it would be no different than what Coldplay did with this. I would expect Metallica to sue the fuck out of me. That goes for anyone. Having a big hit with someone else's song does not make a band exempt from litigation. Fuck 'em good! - Tue, 16 Dec 2008 5:09pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | You should totally do that! Think of the press. Wow. I'd love to get sued by Metalica. ....edit, pick a different song though. EnterSandman sucks . - Tue, 16 Dec 2008 5:11pm Edited: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 5:12pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | I wouldn't want to drag a good song of theirs through the mud, plus that one made a lot of money for them. - Tue, 16 Dec 2008 5:40pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | I think "...and justice for all" would be the most fitting on both ends. lol. - Wed, 17 Dec 2008 2:51pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Coldplay were going to lose so they had to settle. I hope Joe made a fortune. "NME.com reports that guitarist Joe Satriani's lawsuit against COLDPLAY, based on his accusation that Chris Marin and co plagiarized his 2004 song "If I Could Fly" for their 2008 single "Viva La Vida", has been dismissed from court. Satriani sued the band last December, seeking a jury trial to award him monetary compensation. Now, according to News.justia.com, the case was dismissed yesterday (September 14) in California Central District Court "upon stipulation," suggesting that an out-of-court settlement may have been reached. Judge Dean Pregerson decreed that both the parties bear their own trial costs as the case was closed." - Tue, 15 Sep 2009 1:13pm | ||
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| Mr. Hell User Info... | Did Excel take it to court? - Sun, 20 Sep 2009 5:18pm | ||
| wardEnsemble User Info... | "everything we do is just basically ripping off Black Sabbath" Rob Zombie I believe...BTW Lemmy ripped off enter sandman and it was the only version worth listening toooooo. - Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:57pm Edited: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:58pm | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Perhaps it's plain coincidence (Coldplay could of not been fans of Satriani), but I happen to like the Satriani version more then the Coldplay version. BTW: Lemmy did not rip off Enter Sandman. Oh and Black Album re-issue sounds incredible on vinyl. - Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:04am Edited: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:08am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Why wouldn't Moldgay be fans of Satriani? That is presumptuous as it gets, no? - Wed, 23 Sep 2009 6:40am | ||
| KRIEG User Info... | Moldgay, LOLS - Wed, 23 Sep 2009 8:40am | ||
| _Griphin_ User Info... | Coldplay appears to be cheaping out, copying parts of songs to make a hit, and the sheep public buys it. - Fri, 25 Sep 2009 7:47pm | ||
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