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Canadian Coup
| Message Board > Controversy and Quarantine > Canadian Coup |
| trevor corey User Info... | I've never been a Conservative, but the idea of a separatist party being a part of our government does not sit well with me. - Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:04pm | ||
| grimlord User Info... | I think it is more of a legal Coup ,if you can call it that. And didn't I just vote W.T.F. Will we all just sit buy and let this happen!? Yes! "We Are the world, we are Canadian." - Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:19am Edited: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 1:10am | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | You voted W.T.F. ? I've not heard of this party. - Tue, 2 Dec 2008 1:57am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | Anything that gets Harper out of power is a good thing. I'm not scared of the separatists, I actually think it will be good for them to get a word in. Well, at least the idea doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as knowing Harper is running our country. Support the Coalition: http://www.avaaz.org/en/coalition_for_canada/?cl=153008357&v=2491 - Tue, 2 Dec 2008 3:54pm Edited: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 3:55pm | ||
| ciao User Info... | A fact of life for a minority PM is that a majority of Members of Parliament can vote him out if they don't support him. Harper appears to have overlooked this little fact, to put it mildly, which should give his supporters pause for thought as to his suitability as their party leader. Parliament includes all the MPs no matter what party they're in, so in fact the Bloc is already part of the government, and has been all along. The Bloc isn't part of the new coalition, they simply support the coalition over Harper. The Tories have no room (or willingness) to back up now, as evidenced by their desperate and pointless "deal-with-the-devil" ad campaign, not to mention the overall mad scramble to fill every news blog and radio talk-show with the prescribed rhetoric. None of that is going to change the minds of the elected MPs. Their job is now to take down this minority PM who holds the majority of the House of Commons - our government - in obvious contempt. - Tue, 2 Dec 2008 5:31pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | all is great and well; but why should the voting system for our DEMOCRACY be undermined? Why not put it to vote? Because they'd get the same results?? The more we let these clowns back-room deal our leadership and politics; the less chance we'll have in voicing our opinions. I dont like the idea of a separated Canada; and on the otherside of the coin, I dont like Harper. BUT, we should be able to vote on the matter. - Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:01pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | Coalition governments are actually quite common in western democracies. We are just not used to the idea here in Canada eh. We did vote, Ji, and the Conservatives were not given a mandate to run the country, they did not win the election. A coalition may in fact be more effective than a minority. We'll see. Jack Layton rules, yo! - Wed, 3 Dec 2008 1:08pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | We did vote, but the vote didn't work. We have 33,399,600 Canadians and just over 5 million votes for the conservatives... that's not really a democracy. Of course, not all of those are eligible voters. I don't know how many people are eligible. But I do know that less that half of them voted. Less than 50%. That's a failing grade. We fail at democracy. And of those 40-something percent of eligible voters who DID vote, less then half of them voted for the Conservatives. Having a coalition of the other parties might be considered even more democratic, because three quarters of Canada didn't vote for Harper. - Wed, 3 Dec 2008 2:28pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "We did vote, Ji, and the Conservatives were not given a mandate to run the country, they did not win the election." ... but the conservatives had a minority gov't. And I do not recall voting on conglomerating all parties into 1 just so a)the liberals get more power b)the ndp get leadership FINALLY c)because everyone is a sore fucking loser. I dont agree with alot of what harper has to say; but im also not willing to agree to "joining forces" with parties that I share absolutely nothing in common with(politically speaking of course) just to "take down" the current gov't. - Thu, 4 Dec 2008 8:26am | ||
| ciao User Info... | The one thing at the heart of all of this is Harper's inability to play well with the other kids. The result is that all of the other parties now support each other, which come January could mean Harper goes home without his ball(s), and the Tory party once again would have to start from scratch. Unfortunately, Harper is now mongering Quebec separatism in an attempt to keep his gig. A couple of years of a coalition government is nothing compared to the havoc of renewed separatism. - Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:19pm | ||
| Aidan Logins User Info... | Harper keeps calling this a "separatist coalition." Which really doesn't have a lot to do with anything. The whole separatist thing is a non-issue to me. The separatists have a say either way and won't gain much more power with the coalition. Not enough to call it a separatist coalition. It's just like McCain calling Obama a socialist. He isn't a socialist, but by calling him that, John was trying to scare some stupid people into not voting for him. - Thu, 4 Dec 2008 2:05pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | im getting so sick of hearing all the ads on the radio... i dont know if im alone on this one; but they make this whole situation seem like a playground turf war(which it pretty much is on a grander scheme). - Thu, 4 Dec 2008 2:40pm | ||
| Andrew User Info... | yea playing dirty like that (fear mongering) is pretty sad. - Thu, 4 Dec 2008 7:42pm | ||
| Dopebilly User Info... | KILL'EM ALL! they're all liars & full of shit. where did the rhinoceros party go? free beer and pizza for every canadian on every friday.. YEAH! - Fri, 5 Dec 2008 7:37pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | Is anyone else kinda worried about the constitutional precendent set by our Governor Gerneral? All of the coverage that I've read says that she prorouged Parliament on the advice of Stephen Harper, which doesn't sit right with me. The PM is NOT the head of state in Canada, and he/she does NOT have any executive powers in our system. The Governor General is supposed to be the representative of the Queen, who is technically still our head of state, and as such should be above the influence of any member of Parliament, even the Prime Minister. I'm not necessarily in favour of a coalition government, but this whole thing smells really fishy to me, kind of remeniscent of a certain vote counting debacle in Florida eight years ago if you ask me. ~Keeping the world safe from democracy. Doc - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:36am | ||
| Chopper User Info... | I love how some people are still whining about the Bloc being involved. There are a lot of old WCC party members in the Conservative party, since WCC turned into the Reform Party which then amalgamated with the Conservatives. Don't really hear much whining or concern over that. Not to mention the Bloc stated that if the referendum wasn't successful, regarding Quebec separating, that it would become a moot point and not be brought up again. Just amazing how little people remember the past and the actual history of the current parties. Personally I hope the Coalition is successful. The current state of both the senate and house is a joke. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 1:20pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | I too hope the coalition is successful; based on what WE as the people of canada CHOOSE to have for leadership... not someone "appointed" to lead the country. THAT's what I find alarming that people dont seem to comprehend. I've had no choice nor oppourtunity(outside this website) to share my vote/opinion as to who I would like to lead the new party, and rightfully, the country. Circumventing the democratic process makes one believe that what we vote for really means nothing anymore, if some backroom dealings can change the leadership of our country. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 3:07pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | "Circumventing the democratic process" that statement would apply to Harper more than the coalition. More people voted for the coalition parties, the coalition has more seats, therefor the coalition has the right to govern. The Conservatives look like petty despots for trying to grab power without the support of a majority of mps. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 3:19pm | ||
| Jl User Info... | "More people voted for the coalition parties, the coalition has more seats, therefor the coalition has the right to govern. " but not as single parties; as it was voted in the previous election. There was no "coalition" party that we voted for, it was Liberal, NDP, Bloc, etc... The conservatives, out of all the parties won the vote; though not a majority gov't, they still won the vote between the parties individually. It was only until these parties took it upon themselves to redirect where this country is headed(politically speaking). Therefore, if they do "win" this debaucle... they will have effectively "appointed" a prime minister(even if its as short as Kim Campbells time in the spotlight). All this done(forming the coalition and overthrowing the current gov't) without a single elegable vote. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 4:01pm Edited: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 4:03pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Axe Dion and I'll sleep easier at night with the coalition in power. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 4:11pm | ||
| Kyle User Info... | "More people voted for the coalition parties, the coalition has more seats, therefore the coalition has the right to govern. " When you get right down to it, whether you "like it" or you believe you have grounds to find fault, this is the only logical conclusion at which to arrive. Harper seems to have effectively circumvented this outcome though. - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 7:32pm | ||
| Doc User Info... | The fact remains JI that had the no confidence vote gone ahead this Monday and succeeded the first thing that the Governor General would have had to do, as per the Constitution Act, would be to ask the leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, that would be Dion, if he was able to form a viable government. The only thing that the Liberals, Bloc and NDP really did wrong was to make public their agreement to govern by coalition before the no confidence motion. In either case, what they attempted was completely legal within the system, just poorly executed. ~Keeping the world safe from democracy. Doc - Sat, 6 Dec 2008 7:58pm | ||
| inhalien User Info... | "Harper has already laid out an agenda that would fundamentally change this country - in ways most Canadians would oppose. While this agenda is not "secret," my guess is few Canadians know about it... Sometime in the dark of night last June 20, the Harper government posted a plan on the Department of National Defence's website - called Canada First Defence Strategy - to spend an eye-popping $490 billion over the next 20 years on the military." http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20081205&articleId=11295 - Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:44pm | ||
| Bruce Graham User Info... | Not one of these 'major' political parties has offered a plan to resolve these economic issue. They bicker and squabble like old bitties; point fingers and carry on like children and accomplish NOTHING! PATHETIC. - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 4:21am | ||
| Doc User Info... | Yes where as you Bruce are a veritable fountain of great ideas on avoiding a recession because of our neighbours to the south, for whom you seem to have a rather unhealthy liking. Bottom line, they are there and in a position to try to fix this, and they will try because their jobs depend on it and they are very aware of this fact. We however, are here and not in any such position so we should not judge them like Bruce has. ~Keeping the world safe from democracy. Doc - Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:59am | ||
| Bruce Graham User Info... | I guess you missed the news Doc, this is a GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS. Not just an American issue. It effects every country around the world and it was orchestrated by international bankers. They are collapsing the U.S. economy to force the instalment of the North American Union. To say that Canada isn't as effected as the U.S. is naive at best and willfully ignorant at minimum. Our economies are tighly linked. That's why as the Federal Reserve Note loses value our dollar's value remains at a relative exchange rate. Neither country has an asset backed currency. Both print valueless paper money and use it to purchase real assets. If you or I did that, we'd be tossed in prison; but not the bankers, nooo. - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 4:25am | ||
| Doc User Info... | Global econonmic crisis yes, as bad here as it is in the U.S., no. It is virtually impossible to get credit in the U.S. right now because of the economic situation yet, in other countries, like Canada and member countries of the E.U., it is not so difficult because our central banking system has insulated us from the same idiotic financial practices as the U.S. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the current situation is the result of American institutions floating sub-prime mortgage loans to people who had no buisness receiving a loan sub-prime or otherwise. This is something that simply could not happen here unless the government deliberately allowed it to, which they would have to be completely stupid to do. ~You lick my nuts, I'll stomp on yours. Deal? Doc - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 8:58am | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Europe unionized. Why not us? We would have to adopt their gun laws though. I wouldn't mind being able to purchase twenty guns with a 5 day waiting period. - Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:51am | ||
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