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the word Nigger. Is it really a racist term?
| Message Board > General Chitchat > the word Nigger. Is it really a racist term? |
| Fatass | Ok. I just watched on US Satellite "The Best Of Backyard Wrestling: Ghetto Brawls" They have 2 hours of footage sent to them obviously by black people, home footage of, well, ghetto brawls. 2 hours of nonstop fighting between black men, women, kids , cops etc. I do not exaggerate when I say that EVERY SECOND WORD USED was "Nigger" or "Nigga". Nigger this Nigga that Nigga Nigga Nigga. The word was used by freinds as in "you mah Nigga, Im always there fo you Nigga, we be Niggas" And enemies as in "You think you tough Nigga! Im gonna make you mah bitch Nigga, Im one bad Nigga, dont you fuck wif dis Nigga, You Nigga, Im gonna git you Nigga!" and peacekeepers breaking up fights as in "Cmon Niggas, break it up Nigga, Peace Niggas peace" and bystanders "kick his ass Nigga! Kick his ass! Kill that Nigga! Cmon Nigga, kick dat Niggas ass!" Ok. But if I say NIGGER Im a racist? I just dont get it. My ancestors didnt enslave anyone. next time I say Nigger about some Homie G in baggy pants, if some granola eating hairly legged bitch tries to tellme Im a racist Im gonna slap dat bitch nigga! - Sun, 4 May 2003 1:16pm | ||
| Dr.LOAD | you seem to mis the whole idea behind this practice, black people use the term "Nigger" to empower themselves because if they use the word in a positive manner it loses it's effectiveness as an insult. So to black people using this word is fine because they are doing it to try and regain a little of their pride, where as when a non-black person says it it's just offensive. I think it would be better if everyone stopped saying it, but if that's not going to happen then I guess this is the next bet thing. - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:03pm | ||
| Dr.LOAD | (sorry for all the sloppy typing) Ona side note, I want to adress racist jokes. I am not a racist, but I must admit that the body of many racist jokes is actually quite funny and I have laughed out loud at a good handful. The thing is that even though a good number of these jokes can tickle the funny bone, every time they are told they pass on ideals of the ignorant, and even if you aren't a racist every time you tell one they keep the spirit of racial bigotry alive. Please try to stop telling racist jokes. That's my two cents anyway. - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:09pm | ||
| Anonymous | It is kind of like the Canucks. Americans called us Canucks to make fun of us, so what do we do? We name our hockey team after it. - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:13pm | ||
| Anonymous | Considering your a white guy in Victoria...you should probably know better. Why are you even enticed? - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:44pm | ||
| Dr.LOAD | What in the world makes you think that I'm white? People of all races can be racist and anti-racist, I could for all you know be Chinese. People with a narrow minded way of thinking like you are what prevents mankind from evolving mentally as a creature. Why do YOU even bother? - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:47pm | ||
| no fresh air, coke smoke only User Info... | it's like "Fuck"... it's just a word that people blow way out of proportion to be a bigger deal than it actually is. - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:55pm | ||
| Anonymous | LMAO!!I just watched it too.pretty funny. - Sun, 4 May 2003 3:58pm | ||
| Fatass | Ok, so from now Im gonna go around callin my buddies Honky. Hey Honky wassup yo Honky, ok Honky. - Sun, 4 May 2003 4:48pm | ||
| George Jefferson | "Honkey" hasn't been used since the seventies, son. By the way, you sound like an angry tool. Get out more and start worrying about more important things, numbnuts. - Sun, 4 May 2003 5:37pm | ||
| FANGU | it's like saying fag, some people get offended by it, others don't. gay people call each other fags all the time right? what matters is what context it is used in. i suggest fatass goes to any black neighbourhood in the states and throw that word around freely. i'm sure you'll find an answer to your question. - Sun, 4 May 2003 5:52pm | ||
| Anonymous | DR. LOAD GO TO CHURCH!!! - Sun, 4 May 2003 5:55pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | Fatass it's all about context AND familiarity in who uses the word. It's okay for black people to call each other nigger and it's not okay for white people to do so just like it's okay for me and my friends to call each other degenerate scum, but it's not okay for strangers to do so. Homosexuals' use of the words fag or queer is a similar example. Basically it all comes down to one thing: If you weren't a fuckin' dumbass then you wouldn't have started this thread. - Sun, 4 May 2003 6:24pm | ||
| Anonymous | wigga nation - Sun, 4 May 2003 6:52pm | ||
| Anonymous | try http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com Its funny, but what really tells the story of this whole discussion is the comments page, where people rant from every side of the argument. And the most common question is to the people who built the page "are you black or white?" because it'll make all the difference to their opinion if they can just find out that one fact. hilarious. i don't think it was ever answered. - Sun, 4 May 2003 7:11pm | ||
| Fatass | I never actually call anyone a niggerm thats wrong, I know, but I still question it. - Sun, 4 May 2003 8:42pm | ||
| HHH | call em what you want, blacks that were brought over were from Niger. It was proper to call them Nigers or Niggers. - Sun, 4 May 2003 9:14pm | ||
| Jo Fancy User Info... | I say Nigger. I just said it there. My friends say Nigger. Same with Eminem & Beastie Boys. I'm right sure i'm not racist or anything of the sort, though i'de not be so rude as to speak as much to anyone that doesn't see the irony. It's ironic because pride in anything you've not earned, such as race (black pride & white pride alike) is beligerant & retarded. I say retarded too. "N - I - G - G - A nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga. Everybody's sayin' it, everybody's playing it Put on a scale, cause everybody's weighin' it." - Sun, 4 May 2003 10:57pm | ||
| No fucking knowledge of History | Where did you read that? The back of a gum wrapper? C'mon now.... - Sun, 4 May 2003 11:00pm | ||
| Dr.LOAD | Go to church?!?! That's weak and for the weak minded. Just because I have a good set of values and you can't argue against my logic doesn't mean that you need to use dirty words like "church" in the same sentence as my name. - Mon, 5 May 2003 1:25am | ||
| Lurker User Info... | Hey Jo when do the Beastie Boys say nigger? I'm tryin' to think of where it appears in their lyrics but I just can't place it. - Mon, 5 May 2003 1:34am | ||
| Kickin' Jo Fancy's Ass | Try going to Watts in L.A. and use the term "nigger". So how long you'd last, white boy. Best not to comment on things you don't understand. Just because you hear "nigger" on some stupid rap albums doesn't mean you can walk around saying it, you stupid KKK white trash doofus. - Mon, 5 May 2003 9:54am | ||
| Spark | One Question: why the fuck do you feel the "need" to use the term? It's like your five and have just learned a dirty word and can't stop obsessing about it. Grow the fuck up! - Mon, 5 May 2003 10:26am | ||
| Anonymous | WATCH GHETTO BRAWLS NOW. - Mon, 5 May 2003 1:07pm | ||
| Blah you suck all of you | I would never dream of calling a black person a nigger. But I would call a gangsta yoyo Gbaggy pants rapper a nigger. The term describes your typical undereducated black person. Blacks were oppressed in the old days and werent allowed an education which gave the illusion of them being stupid or ignorant. Nowadays many black people are very intelligent and help the world go around. Its unfair to label them as niggers. However, the black trash that live in the ghettos and deal crack and speed, and carry guns, and speak ebonics and carry around a banner that proclaims "I AM A NIGGER" well, now, THAT is what a nuigger is. - Mon, 5 May 2003 1:17pm | ||
| Fagget Fuck | Yeah I'll drop a JIZZ load on your face you cock sucker. - Mon, 5 May 2003 1:36pm | ||
| the red the black and the green...you sissies. | so what makes you 'lets see how long you last saying nigga in watts' people think that some non black individual is gonna get his or her ass kicked saying nigga in watts? are you basing this on,statistics or on your own slanted views of racial relations that you learned second hand from "the man's movies, television, news and record labels? I would guess that chances are, depending on how you use the term and who you might say it to, you would most likely get away with it. you might get a funny look like you should know better. you might get a stern talking to about disrespecting a culture, or you might get a smack(beatdown) check out the book 'bomb the suburbs' for a fresh perspective on visiting places you stupidly were afraid to go because you are white dummies. most people who are 'oppressed' are to busy being oppressed to be bothered with the politics of oppression. so my bet is some white dummy saying nigga would have more of a chance getting curb stomped at a university activist function than in an impoverished ethnic neigbourhood. ninja please. - Mon, 5 May 2003 5:16pm | ||
| You fucking stupid racist | Listen, asshole. The term "nigger" is not cool to say for any white person. If a black person uses it for another black, fine. If you're a white using it for a black person, then you're out of line. No excuses. It is not acceptable. And yeah, try using it in any black community in the U.S. and see how long you last. White boy. This is not based on tv, movies or anything else. It's based on reality. Try getting out of Victoria some time, OK? - Mon, 5 May 2003 6:21pm | ||
| Virge User Info... | "The term "nigger" is not cool to say for any white person. If a black person uses it for another black, fine." your black & white sense of "reality" is as old fashioned and out of date as racism it's self. its all in the context, fucker. it won't matter where you go to if your mind is fucking tiny you will not have learned a thing. i don't think anything said here will change your mind though, so go fuck yourself. ok? bye now. - Mon, 5 May 2003 7:09pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | There's more important bullshit to worry about guys. - Mon, 5 May 2003 7:15pm | ||
| Anonymous | NIGGA PLEAZE - Mon, 5 May 2003 7:17pm | ||
| Anonymous | Virge - (I assume you call yourself "Virge" because your mind is "virgin" territory, i.e., never used before). I'm thinking - although it's hard to tell from your barely literate note - that you and your white friends like to call youself nigger. Hey, do what you want, although it's sort of fuckin' ignorant. But don't let anyone of colour hear to putting forth this bullshit. Or anyone else that has a brain. This kind of lame-ass racism is not acceptable. If you think it's funny or cool to use racist language, then you're really sort of fucked in the head. OK? Bye now. (P.S. read a book sometime. You know, one of those things with pages in it? Try to expand your world.) - Mon, 5 May 2003 7:32pm | ||
| Average LiveVictoria Poster | You're right. Victoria guys who call each other "nigga" are usually pimply 17 year olds on skateboards. If we ever got caught in the black sections of Chicago or Detroit, we'd be wetting our baggy little jeans. (Sorry guys, had to tell it like it is.) - Mon, 5 May 2003 7:47pm | ||
| Virge User Info... | nonono, you're fantasizing. i'm no racist. i won't deny that i've ever laughed at a racist joke as i'm sure you can't either. i've also told a lot of the joke tellers that their jokes are shitty and hurtful. i also read lots of books so you've got no dice there either. i guess my point is that people learn by example so if I were an alien and turned on much music or even heard two black men calling themselves niggas or WHATEVER, it would follow that i'd think that was ok. i think dr. load was right on when he said that that word is used in a positive way to take it away from the negative context from which it was derived. you say things like "it's ok for black people to call themselves niggers but it's a nono for whiteys" as if it were a hard fact and you were god. but you haven't come up with any reasoning for what you say. so i say fuck that. - Mon, 5 May 2003 7:52pm | ||
| Anonymous | Here's the reasoning. Black people have been oppressed by white people since they were taken to America as slaves. No argument there, right? And nigger was used as a derogatory word by whites. So if a white person calls a black a nigger, he's calling the might all that oppressive white bullshit. It's like calling an oriental a chink. If a black calls another black nigger, it's not the same thing, because he (the other black person) is in the same position. This is not some fantasy of mine, it's an explanation often pulled out by black people. We've made strides in recent years with racism, but it's stupid to now pretend calling blacks "niggers" is now cool. This is not elitest, PC thinking, man. It's just common sense. I mean, come on. You're in a room full of people and you see a black guy. Do you say, "hey, nigger, how's it going?" I think not. - Mon, 5 May 2003 9:05pm | ||
| True Canadian | As a person of color, I find that even when black people use the word, it's offensive! I understand that it is used to empower and to denegrate the use of the word, it still sounds extremely uneducated to me! I find most racist's names insulting and degrading. Yes, even Fag(although not a racist word)! No need for it. All it does in my opinion is show a persons stupidity and lack of educations. Even in the context of a joke, it's use doesn't make the joke any funnier to me! The one thing that I think would rid this world of racism is EDUCATION! If we could all get the same amount of education, there'd be no need! But that's just my opinion. - Mon, 5 May 2003 9:39pm | ||
| Jonathan | It's funny when this board starts to get intellectual. Keep it up, it's entertaining. - Mon, 5 May 2003 10:46pm | ||
| Jo Fancy User Info... | There's a lot of hate against white people here. I'm not even white & i'm getting the brunt of the burden. A whole lot of boohoohooo, I must say. "spawn your eggs then I go up the river listen to the abstract that freaky nigga!" There you go Frazer- Mike D. (white, if it matters) saying Nigger. It seems that there's a whole lot of brehaha & weight being put on ones race as though it matters. i wouldn't venture to say it's racist, moreso rediculous. Ross Bay had it down pat- there are other things to worry about, better things than a couple of "white" kids calling each other Nigger. It's not my race system & safe to say I'm not a part of it. I'll not put any weight or valour on ones race, especially not to the extent that a great deal here seem to be placing on whether a kid is white or not. One race. human race. - Mon, 5 May 2003 11:24pm | ||
| Anonymous | It's only funny if you're stupid. - Mon, 5 May 2003 11:31pm | ||
| Jo Fancy User Info... | "whites" were & are by no means the only people to use the word nigger. Off your high horses. Just cause you're white doesn't mean you should be obligated to feel guilty in the least bit of anything anyone has done who happened to be white. You're speaking as though being white, or black for that matter, is of ANY concequence- where's the equality in that? I didn't enslave any one- it was a system of government I have never been anything but against & (in America & Canada), primarily people who were of the white race- a race system I am disassociated with completely. The litteral hew of their complexion is the only association most "white" kids have ever had with slave owners. Bhuddist monks had slaves- the Dhali Llama had slaves for christ sake. It's ludicrous to take head to any notion that any "white" or "black" or "yellow" human being anywhere should take any responsibility or accept any concequence of any wrong doing commited by someone of the same complexion or racial pool- it goes toe to toe in absurdity with racism. Race is obselete or at least in need or redefinition. - Mon, 5 May 2003 11:40pm | ||
| Lurker User Info... | Ah yes, Get It Together... good song. - Mon, 5 May 2003 11:51pm | ||
| Jo Fancy User Info... | Getting gyped is a racist term. So is gyp-joint. getting mangled takes direct root from racism. No dust is getting kicked up about that. - Mon, 5 May 2003 11:58pm | ||
| the red the black and the green...you sissies. | yeah you dummies, and how can you be so sure of the color of a poster's skin from a few sentences? Also how can you be so sure they are posting from VICTORIA!(just because you might be white and just because you are typing from a computer in victoria,it does not follow that that should be the case for everyone else.so with this in mind it looks like you feel everyone should think like you,hell you have based your whole platform on the assumption that we are all white,at computers in victoria just like you!very worldly,now tell us more about how the world should be run.THIS MESSAGE BOARD EXISTS ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB not on the white realm of victoria wide web!!! so instead of reading your p.c. fascistic books and telling people what is acceptable like you're ordained by god.open your mind,relax go traveling and interact with black folks around the world. you may find a lot of us have a sense of humor, and we don't need whiney bookworms to protect our culture,ya dig! - Tue, 6 May 2003 12:16am | ||
| Anonymous | Is anyone really "white" anymore? Does being "white" mean having skin of a certain shade of colour, or coming from a certain ancestry? I certainly don't get it. We're all mutts in the end. What is pure/who is pure? Is it european? I ain't sure But if the world turned to peace and love Then what would we be made of? Stright outta the mouths of the PE - Tue, 6 May 2003 12:24am | ||
| Brothers, bruddahs! | You guys keep say the white/black race relations thing is a non-issue. Well, it may seem like that in Victoria - ONE OF THE WHITEST CITIES IN NORTH AMERICA. But believe me, it is an issue. Also the argument "Hey, I didn't own any slaves" is sort of dumb. The previous poster was just referring to black history. I don't think any said you had a slave, bud. I also think it's sort of ignorant to keep dumping people who are clearly on the side of being non-racist (that is, the people who say it isn't cool to say nigger). Why do you want to say nigger so badly, anyway? Believe me, if you're a white guy using the term, it doesn't give you any "street cred" or whatever, It's even worse when da whities call themselves "wiggahs"..... - Tue, 6 May 2003 9:21am | ||
| Anonymous | who's PE? - Tue, 6 May 2003 10:32am | ||
| Spark | yeah, your all avoiding the issue with your "it's not racist" bullshit. I still don't understand why you NEED to use the term? I mean, what the hell is so empowering about degrading a race of people whatever thier color? Are you so insecure that you need to do so? Who cares if "everyone else is doing it" or "black" people are doing it, why is it important you do it? - Tue, 6 May 2003 10:42am | ||
| Virge User Info... | fuck. i dunno, i used to go to school with a guy who would regularly say nigger just for a bad word to say. example: kid cuts off finger "oh nigger". i guess that'd be the worst case huh? and yet the guy never thought of himself as a racist. bet your ass he'd never say that around a black person though. soooo education? yup. that'd be a good thing. personally, racist words arent in my vocabulary. i just don't feel the need to use em. i say fuck a lot. i don't need to. it'd be nice if no one was oppressed, maybe one day that'll happen but jumping down peoples throats isnt the way to go about it. ross is right though, today there's more important things to worry about. - Tue, 6 May 2003 11:11am | ||
| Anonymous | PE is Public Enemy. That's what Jo Fancy's original N-I_G-G-A niggs nigga.. post was all about too. That's a flavva flave quote. So why can't white people say nigger? Why is being white so bad? Why isn't it racist to say that vic is the whitest town in a bad sense? - Tue, 6 May 2003 12:20pm | ||
| Heehaw | Anyone remember the black jew-jubes? We used to call em 'nigger babies' . In fact I had one two days ago. Was even shaped like a baby. Im certainly not racist, but I hate Wiggers, and dem cadies is yummy. - Tue, 6 May 2003 12:48pm | ||
| True Canadian | Well Said Jo Fancy! - Tue, 6 May 2003 2:16pm | ||
| Anonymous | yeah, by focusing on victoria's white middle class majority you are disregading the very real cultural diversity of the city. the result of such attitude is more of a rift between how you see yourself in relation to other cultures.That can cause you a great deal of confusion when trying to relate to those who are from different cultural backgrounds. result, you feel uncomfortable being around black people( out of sympathy for their oppression) whereas the people who are posting questions as to why it would be wrong to say word like nigga demonstrate an openness to new perspectives that in REAL life situations can make for comfortable natural communications with people of all cultures. however angry people who use language to convey hatred or incourage ignorance are dangerous(eg National Front,CNN,Dennis Miller,Norman Spector). just as angry people who are determined to stifle expression according to their own hangups are dangerous. telling people what they are ALLOWED to say only serves to increase hostility. i don't use the word fuck in conversation because i think it is lazy vugar and does little to enhance a sentence. but i don't care if others use it. when someone is pointing a broken bottle at me and saying i'm going to cut your fucking throat, i recognise that as a threat to my life. but when some one extends a hand to me saying great to fuckin' see ya, i recognise that as a term of endearment.(even if i dislike their crude grammar) imagine dustin schwam (for example) visiting some jaks in oakland. now he is introduced to some people at a party (imagine they are black) and he says in a loud bellowing tesco vee-esque voice, "sup niggas,its fuckin' killer running into you motherfuckers. this party kicks ass." in the set and setting chances are that the people he is talking to are going to take his introduction as being hella bro even if they might be a little pit off by his vulgar use of the word nigga. say what you want. you have lungs and a larynx. the more something is said out of it's spitefull original context the less meaning it will have. the swastika has been a symbol of eternity for...well, a really really long time, all over the world. then some angry white german control freak adopts it a s a symbol for his aggressive regime. and because of ten years of hate and violence. the original meaning of the symbol has been lost. swastikas can be good but nazis are bad. the world can be a confusing place. one thing is for sure, white people are all assholes. - Tue, 6 May 2003 2:35pm | ||
| True Canadian | Very interesting and poignant points of view. Thanks poster! - Tue, 6 May 2003 4:08pm | ||
| white bread | i like it when black people called us white folk "niggas". That is fuckin funny - Tue, 6 May 2003 4:12pm | ||
| Gman | I felt weird recently when a dude down south called me BRO - pronounced BRA. Really really weird. G - Tue, 6 May 2003 4:34pm | ||
| Anonymous | Man, all you guys sound like fags.... - Tue, 6 May 2003 6:40pm | ||
| Anonymous | you're the fag - Tue, 6 May 2003 7:30pm | ||
| Jo Fancy User Info... | This is rediculous. If abbidding by the obselete race system is what you're into, than "white" aren't even a majority in a lot of parts of town. "Victoria is such a white town"? In vancouver, "white" people are a minority. This thread is wearing thin. - Tue, 6 May 2003 8:41pm | ||
| Anonymous | Yeah, but Vancouver isn't Victoria. Go to Toronto if you want to see racial diversity. Victoria is white city, country boy. The point is some suburban posers who listen to rap or metal CDs want to kid themselves it's cool to say nigger. It's not. Admit it. - Tue, 6 May 2003 10:51pm | ||
| Anonymous | turbonegro are a great band and they are white. plus they are gay as well. so let me get this straight.(no pun intended) because of the white majority in victoria we are not to say the word ni**er? sounds reasonable.but why are you so hostile about it, i mean according to you there are almost no black people here right? in vancouver there is more ethnic diversity and toronto is a melting pot in comparison. so what? you talk about victoria like it is your small penis. people are people and judging them by the color of their skin is absurd. you should get your allowance together and start a major record label and sign artists that will appeal to suburban kids in a positive way ,so they can focus on something other than cussing and violence. because yelling and being stern about issues like this will just serve to incite animosity towards you,and before you know it everyone around you will start saying n*gg*r just to piss you off. YOU are the racist! with your small penis, island inferiority complex. - Wed, 7 May 2003 1:06am | ||
| Der | Gee - I think calling people "racist" who arguing AGAINST the use of the word "nigger" is, uh, sort of dumb. I also think the person who pointed out that Victoria is a mostly white city (which it is) meant that using the word nigger freely here isn't the same as, say, using it in Los Angeles or Toronto. White guys who call each other nigga are (1) stupid, and (2) wouldn't dare do it in a room full of black people. All of this has nothing to do with having a "small penis". (Although that's probably the personal hangup of wanna-bes who go around calling each other nigga.) Face it, da nigga stuff ain't cool. Find some other dorky handle to use on your poser friends. - Wed, 7 May 2003 9:23am | ||
| True Canadian | Well said Der! And I would have to say that the most culturally diverse city in this country is easily, hands down, Montreal! Much more so then Toronto. Per capita, Montreal has such a wide variety of cultures. I have been seeing many more black people in Vic as well. I enjoy seeing the responses that have been posted. Clear, concise, logical, educated and clear headed! Really glad to see that my favorite City in Canada is so responsible! Thanks all for renewing my faith in Ole Vic! - Wed, 7 May 2003 10:23am | ||
| Jo Fancy User Info... | "I think calling people "racist" who arguing AGAINST the use of the word "nigger" is, uh, sort of dumb." They were arguing that it is infact racist because of the appropriation of the term "white" & the hostile context so many on this post have associated it with. I really just think that they are trying to say that white people can say nigger if they please, & that saying it with your friends isn't so absolutely wrong as you're implying it is, more-so that using in an inappropriate, racist sense is the real problem. As well as the double standard of being able to bash one race in defense of another. Believe it or not, hating racist people based solely on the fact that they are racist, well that's a breed of racism in itself & if not, than it's the ugly cousin. In my solemn opinion the phrase "I hate black people" is just as detestable & poorly construed, though apparently more appropriate as "I hate racist people", or any people for that matter. I despise the concept of racism even more than I denounce the race system as we know it, though I'd be a bigot in my own tracks to say that I can hate racist people because they hate people of "race" other than their own- strictly because they are racist. Let me re-iterate for clarity in complete absolution- I despise racism (no doubt everyone who has posted on this thread does). One could easily argue that because Mao killed far more people than Hitler (some 12 fold) on his way to office that he is more evil- indeed I have argued that many times, but by no means does that mean that I'll go out & smash up Tony Galuza's next endeavor or the next Ent Ausserung show, because I genuinely like & care for those people. What a poor notion it is to think that hate can end hate, on the sole grounds that one hate is more "right" or "justified". The anger doesn't justify the means. Again, this post is wearing thin. One race- human race. - Wed, 7 May 2003 11:37am | ||
| Anonymous | well this is quaint, you NON racist folks just crack me right up. 'hey fellas i have even on occasion spotted some negros here and there around victoria' ....ninja please you make race an issue making things uncomfortable for people of color with your patronizing p.c. talk and charts and graphs about the diversity of culture in more metropolitan areas,and lack there of in your little town. this just in montreal wins! there are many cultures there, so everyone gets along, and where were you going with that? I know you high and mighty whiteys can start a negro watching club, go out in the feild with binoculars and cameras and stuff and celebrate diversity with percentages! so i maintain,even poeple who think they are not racist,no matter how well intentioned come across a little bit racist with their us and them divisions. oh and as if this even matters one bit.... I"M BLACK YOU DUMB FUCKS + I also live in Oregon so I rule your shamefilled asses, honkies. so there. - Wed, 7 May 2003 12:15pm | ||
| Anonymous | hahahah Funny, I remmeber being treated this way by Indians. - Wed, 7 May 2003 12:30pm | ||
| Anonymous | and while i'm at it, this thread started with a valid question responding to an impression given by a fucking television show! shows like that one and 'bum fights' while ammusing to alot of people (like public executions and coleseum events once were) create distorted views of a much larger reality..It's like watching cops,when you see that you get the impression that you just can't get away with anything these days,when in actuality you can get away with quite a bit. condensing 6 months of field work into 6 hours of video feed makes for pretty juicy watching. my point is,shows like this act like propaganda, and after watching the most embarassingly degenerate black folks brawling on video , someone is open enough to ask if it o.k. for white people to say n*gger, seems like a pretty positive response to a few hours of degrading brutality. after all, these days white kids learn about black culture from irresponsible blacks with microphones getting payed by greedy whites with no morals, rather than their hick redneck racist pioneer relatives. so who is creating the stereotype now? it is complex. and left wing reactions to questions of language are based apon the FEAR that these words might increase cultural division leading to hate crimes. so if the FEAR is that using words like nig*er will increase division, then why do you judge your class,your race,your community in relation to those you perceive to be OUTSIDE of your community? white kids saying nigger,well that is just in bad taste considering the history of collonialism. liberal leftwing fingerpointers disecting regions based on their ethnic diversity,also in bad taste. both can be seen as dangerous to minorities. oh, and proud canadian I understand that you also are not white. i could feel a bit of comradery with you in that since i am black. but since we are all just writing on screens right now our race should not have any bearing on how people react to our ideas...should it? - Wed, 7 May 2003 12:38pm | ||
| Anonymous | after re-reading my post i noticed a whole ot of typos and spelling errors, if you were responding to me, knowing i was black,would you overlook the typos? just wondering, because i sometimes feel like they tip toe around me AFRAID they may say something offensive that would make them look racist. honestly i would much rather talk with a friendly redneck than a squirmy charts and graphs know it all liberal. - Wed, 7 May 2003 1:23pm | ||
| True Canadian | You're 100% right there anon. And as a matter of fact, I am black. Actually Mullato. Mom was white and Dad was black. I didn't mention it because it really doesn't matter. Even a "a person of color" shouldn't matter! I have never looked at the color of someones skin, but at what kind of a person they are. Thats just me though! It gets hard though because in a society that is majority white, as Vic is, I get people calling me Chief, or thinking that I am native. It's a little frustrating because it makes it clear to me that people do look at color first. They automatically assume if you are non white, that you must be a native (unless it's obvious that you aren't)! Now, after what I have said, you'd think that this wouldn't bother me. Well it's not the fact that they look at my color that bothers me, it's the fact that matters that gets my goat! It shows a serious lack of understanding of the world around us. Since the world is a large majority of non white races. That we are all human is all that matters to me! Education is the answer. Traveling, meeting new people and new places. This is what will change the unintelectual and rid them of the historical misgivings and misunderstandings of race. Being from Montreal, I can tell you that for the most part, people live in harmony there. Black, white, asian etc... Even French & English. It's the media that blows it all out of preportion. Especially the Western media. As for the American that has posted on this board. Glad to see that we are not so enclosed here in Victoria. I think that you would find this kind of discussion going on in any small town in North America. I really enjoyed the insight of the poster that said that black culture or art is being used by a white (Corporate) monster. A very intereesting point of view. In closing, I have been in many countries and cities throughout this world. Even though Vic is a town that is majority white. It is the greatest place to live. I can put up with the "Hey Chiefs", I simply point out to the person that were I native, I would be insulted, however they should take care in what they say and who they say it too. Go to the North and say that! Not likely! Education is the key! - Wed, 7 May 2003 1:40pm | ||
| True Canadian | Plus the fact that I look nothing like a native! - Wed, 7 May 2003 1:58pm | ||
| Anonymous | Fuck are you ever a god damned dork. - Wed, 7 May 2003 5:12pm | ||
| True Canadian | Learn how to spell Dweeb! It's Goddamn. It's always lovely when a good thread is interupted by a fucking uneducated 12 year, old beating off in front of his Pentium I. Get a life! - Wed, 7 May 2003 5:24pm | ||
| Der | No, it is actually God damned. That's the correct usage. Anyway, I see a lot of posters here bashing people because they don't think it's cool to use the word "nigger". What the hell's going on? That's an ugly term, man. Don't try to fucking justify it by implying those who are offended by the term "nigger" just aren't hip or something. Or whatever. And don't try to say, oh, racism is a thing of the past. Only old P-C types are offended by the word nigger. Jesus, what a bunch of fuck ups. For the last time, there's no justification for using that word. It smacks of bigotry, of the KKK. Just because we're relatively isolated from that crap in Victoria (I mean black/white, there still is a lot of bigotry towards First Nations) doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's like half the people here are living in some goof-ball trailer park, for God's sake. Go learn to play your instruments or something. - Wed, 7 May 2003 7:03pm | ||
| Banjo man | Yeah. You guys who like to call each other niggahs, GET OUT YOUR BANJOS, DUDES! (We're talkin' white trash, I'm afraid.) - Wed, 7 May 2003 7:27pm | ||
| RAZOR | i guess being enslaved, whipped, and having your children taken away from you is a cool thing to joke about? i understand some peple are racsist, or get off on being vulgar.i don't get offended being called a cracka because it's just silly and there is no historical derogitory meaning behind it. i have a black roomate. i admit i felt a bit of white guilt when i was first around her, because she's gotten shit all her life due to her skin colour. now we are at the point where we call each other nigga and cracka because we both thinks its funny. but if i were to walk into a room full of black panthers and start saying nigger, i'd most lkely get shot in the head. i know im just repeating what's already been said, but my advise is to use descretion with these racial slangs. it's not always a BLACK or WHITE situation. - Wed, 7 May 2003 7:41pm | ||
| Banjo man | Well said, Razor. - Wed, 7 May 2003 8:24pm | ||
| Anonymous | I think everyone who has posted about what you are talking about has admitted that not on their life would they use it to anyone they didn't know & that they use it with friends who know them. - Wed, 7 May 2003 8:53pm | ||
| Shawn | folks we need to realize that it's 2003 and there is still a lot of intollerance. Look in our own backyard: I am sickened when I think of the way that First Nation People are treated in this city. We are all people remember that, labels are for fools. - Wed, 7 May 2003 9:05pm | ||
| Anonymous | thanks proud canadian, it is nice to see people getting a little more relaxed about the subject now. words are just words when it comes down to it,just sounds that are formed by air and some muscles. the INTENTION behind the words is what we have to be warey of. if hate is the motive you'll get hate threefold back. - Wed, 7 May 2003 9:26pm | ||
| Anonymous | The word "nigger" is not acceptable. Why do you want to use these with your friends? I suspect you're buying into some bullshit notion of street cred. Give it up, man. Nigger is about hatred. Admit it. - Wed, 7 May 2003 10:34pm | ||
| Vanilla Ice | White dudes who want to call each other "nigger" are white trash and posers. - Wed, 7 May 2003 10:36pm | ||
| pc watchdog | the 'n' word is not acceptable according to you. who made you the allseer? you have never ever done or said anything ignorant in your life ever i presume. you must not have if you can just tell everyone that certain words are just not acceptable. good thing we have people like you who have no faults to show us the way. you are a fraud. - Wed, 7 May 2003 10:44pm | ||
| Me a whigga | What do you mean. Me and all my 14 year old homies likes to call each other niggahs. Word. - Wed, 7 May 2003 10:45pm | ||
| Anonymous | i like the p.c. watchdog. - Wed, 7 May 2003 11:39pm | ||
| Anonymous | it's kind of funny that this thread started with a description of a show where poor black people are duking it out over stupid stuff..and has regressed to psuedo intellectual human rights supporters duking it out over stupid stuff. bizarre way to pass the time... - Wed, 7 May 2003 11:40pm | ||
| Anonymous | yeah. what's up with you guys. Not only do I enjoy using the word "nigger" , I also use: Chink, Jew Boy, chug, wop, polack and Greek bum fucker. You p-c types make me sick. Don't tell me what I can or can't say. Also, there's nothing wrong with being a member of the KKK. - Thu, 8 May 2003 9:25am | ||
| True Canadian | Fuck! What a loser! No one here was telling anyone what they could or could not say! Most people have just being saying that it's not a pretty word. To use either with your friends or without! I hope (for your sake) that you live your life on this little island! Go anywhere in the world and use your little mind and little words and git your ass kicked! You deserve every boot that you get! For the most part, this thread and it's particepants have been logical, informed, educated and visionary. Unfortunatley, we always have to put up with a 12 year old with moronic thoughts to interfere with an otherwise inteligent conversation! One person said it with entire clearity! Just words, moved with air and muscle! It's the meaning behind them that matters. Honky has no real meaning. It is a reactive word. Has no serious conitations. The word that we speak of has a long history of abuse, hatred, pain and denegration! Please, if you have nothing pertinent to add to the thread, go to another thread and post your inane chatter! - Thu, 8 May 2003 9:55am | ||
| Anonymous | i see the point you are making true canadian, however the idea that, as another poster suggested 'you will get your ass kicked saying nigger in places such as watts {or *insert impoverished non caucasian community here _ _ _ _ }' is only perpetuating a racist stereotype that white people should fear the wrath of the violent agressive angry young black male. This type of individual is not the majority of the minority no matter how much the news,television,music videos,movies,and magazines try to convince us that they are. how would you react? I mean at first I would be angry, but when i get angry i don't just go around swinging fists right away(it takes a couple of minutes),confrontations usually start off with words and end that way with nothing more that words inbetween. I still maintain that if the word is said in a non aggessive,however, inappropriate way, poor black folks will just shrug it off as ignorance. don't believe the hype,blacks do not act like savages,unless they are under contract with a record label or are trying to get a record deal. then they will ACT like savages,after all, that is what ENTERTAINERS do..they ACT. so don't believe the hype. it's exaggerated for entertainment value. - Thu, 8 May 2003 12:26pm | ||
| Anonymous | If you think black people (and I'm not talking about stupid rappers) are not deeply, deeply offended by the word nigger, than you're living on a different planet. - Thu, 8 May 2003 2:06pm | ||
| True Canadian | As in a previous thread, I also believe that no matter how the word is used or it's conitiations, it's still an offensive word. I also agree that both an educated or uneducated black person would and does find this word offensive! I find it offensive when spoken at all, by anyone, white or black. As for the media, I have long since learned not to listen, or to let it roll off my back. There is very little veracity in the media today. I don't go and by Crest toothpaste because the commercial tells me too! It's all just a faint mosquito buzz in the distance by now! I speak of relations between all peoples and how I beleive that they should be. As many others have stated on this thread. I am so happy to see some of the responses on this subject. It makes me proud to live here in Vic. I can hold my head up and say (and beleive) that I live in an enlightened community! Way ta go Vic!!! - Thu, 8 May 2003 2:30pm | ||
| Anonymous | In response to your first question: Yes, nigger is a racist word. Is that simple enough for you? No complex hidden social conspiracy theory. The word is racist in every context. I don't see what there is to argue about. - Thu, 8 May 2003 2:46pm | ||
| Spark | It's about respect. It's easy to be some nameless poster arguing that you can say whatever you want, fine. But if you used the term in front of myself I would lose all respect for you. Everyone is intitled to thier opinion but you have to earn respect and anyone who must resort to racial slurs to feel good about themselves has no respect for themselves or other races - Thu, 8 May 2003 2:47pm | ||
| Mike User Info... | Here is my opinion on the matter. I do happen to be a guy that uses the word "nigga" or "Niggah". AND i say it to 3 of my balck friends. Face it, there are fuck all black people on this island, so it isnt the same amount of black friends I have else where. I work with a black guy every day, and whenever I see him I use the phrase.. "whaddup Niggah" He laughs and makes some comment to even bring the racial content higher. Then what usually happens because of someone over hearing, a conversation about Racism. A few times it has gone on for hours. WHat is conversation about something??? Education. We talk about it, instead of hiding behind the word. The way people, or a society acts, is based upon the environment they are in. IE. The xplosive turn over in black music and black entertainment. Lets face it, the black entertainment world has influenced the society so much, that u have white honky boys like me talking like dem niggahs. There is one person on this thread who knows me quite well, and he knows i use the word. He also knows that i mean absolutely nothing by it. It is a way I say Hi to a friend of mine, and by being able to say that to him, without insulting him, is a sign of a friendship. THEREFORE, if you know the person, and vice versa, USE THE WORD, there will be no offense taken. BUT, if you are not 100% sure of ones personal opinion on the word, dont be a jackass. All you young kids on this thread have to realise, racism do exist, maybe not like it did 20, 30, years ago, but it does exist by little ignorant simple people using the word when it shouldnt be. Common Sense - Thu, 8 May 2003 3:02pm | ||
| True Canadian | Well said Spark! - Thu, 8 May 2003 3:10pm | ||
| Anonymous | Mike - That's about the first intelligent pro-niggah response I've seen on this thread. I know what you're talking about. But I would still consider dropping the "hey nigger" when you see your black friends. If you know what I mean. Even if it'll cool between the two of you, other people may be offended. It's not even the same as saying in a friendly way "Hey, fuckhead" to your friends. It's different. - Thu, 8 May 2003 3:44pm | ||
| True Canadian | Yup, Mike is a good friend of mine. Don't really mind when he says it, but would rather not hear it. But you're right about affending others! Love ya Mikie! And a smokin guitar player too!! Ya wireless freak! - Thu, 8 May 2003 4:06pm | ||
| pc watchdog | the word nigger is offensive to some. if you aren't black, why is it offensive to you? what business do you have being offended by the word nigger if you are white? besides the weak "it's a racist term" arguement tell me why. give me one good reason why white people are offended by the word nigger. have you white people against racism been oppressed by "the man" all your lives or something? come on one good reason. - Thu, 8 May 2003 5:59pm | ||
| True Canadian | Actually there PC (not so much a)watchdog! If you'd read earlier, you would have seen that I said that I am actually black! - Thu, 8 May 2003 7:12pm | ||
| pc watchdog | you're black. you want an award? what makes you think i was talking to you? is your ego that huge? i was referring to the anon post before yours my negrescent friend. - Thu, 8 May 2003 7:35pm | ||
| Anonymous | enough with this thread already! you might think that some people are stupid but there's not much hope in changing that over the internet. enough! - Thu, 8 May 2003 7:41pm | ||
| to pc watchdog | Why is the word nigger offensive to whites? It's offensive to anyone who's is against racial prejudice towards black people. It's just fuckin' offensive, you tool. What are we talking, rocket science here? Come back here and stop playin' your banjo. - Thu, 8 May 2003 7:43pm | ||
| pc watchdog | nice try. weak reason. many blacks say it to each other all the time so it can't be all that offensive. being a white person and crusading for black people feeling must make you feel really important. get a job. next. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:06pm | ||
| Anonymous | Do you think you're a black person? I suspect your not. Let's come up with a simple example, one that even you might understand. Say you have a couple of crippled people. For a joke, one calls the other a "gimp". But it's a totally different thing if a non-handicapped person called a person in a wheel chair a "gimp". Do you understand? Put that banjo away. Do you understand? No? Too hard? Next. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:14pm | ||
| der | Yeah PC Watchdog. What's you huge attraction to calling people nigger. What the fuck's up with you, anyway. You loser. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:17pm | ||
| pc watchdog | i see. so double standards are ok but racism is wrong. now i understand where you are coming from. still doesn't answer the question in a convincing or intelligent way. and i didn't claim to be black. what in your gimp brain made you type that? - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:17pm | ||
| pc watchdog | der is short for der mentally handicapped i presume. i didn't say i like to call black people niggers. in fact i don't call black people niggers. i am just an east indian who is sick of white people trying to make themselves feel better by crusading for a cause they know nothing about just to make themselves feel superior to others. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:19pm | ||
| Anonymous | WHAT are you talking about, brain-damaged watchdog. (Bad dog. Dumb Dog. Bad dog.) - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:21pm | ||
| der | Yeah, why is it just 'cause you're East Indian no one else can speak on the subject. Brother, you have one big chip on your shoulder. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:22pm | ||
| Anonymous | why do so many east indians join gangs? - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:23pm | ||
| pc watchdog | that is the point. a bunch of people with no business telling others what is acceptable to say and isn't acceptable to say have been spouting off on this board for a long time. why can't a person with firsthand experience in discrimination speak up about how they feel? shows how racist the "antiracists" are. a minority has no business having an opinion on racist topics. typical. i'll let you carry on your preaching ways. everyone can see through you anyway. have fun! - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:24pm | ||
| pc watchdog | we east indians feel safer from the antiracist crowd when we travel in gangs. probably much like the black people do. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:27pm | ||
| Potatoe Cock User Info... | It is really hard not to slag all the retarded comments on this thread, so I won't. PC, don't stop, please, you appear to be quite the, umm whats the word?, oh yeah, fucking moronic bitch ass lying hampster raping pencil dick pedler. Or something like that. - Thu, 8 May 2003 8:28pm | ||
| Anonymous | Yeah, I feel PC Watchdog is an asshole who waves his ethnicity like a flag. Minority or not, you're still a dick man. - Thu, 8 May 2003 9:30pm | ||
| Anonymous | actually, pc watchdog seems to be showing a little more intellegence on this matter than the hair trigger anti racist townspeople. of course racial slurs are offensive. it would be very positive to discourage people from insulting others with degading language. since, unlike you bossy know-it-all crusaders, pc watchdog has been at the brunt of many MANY degrading remarks regarding skin color. You might think he knows alittle bit about racial slurs. maybe sometimes listening to someone offensive may teach you something about aperspective you did not even know existed. He/she has also had to put up with namby pamby liberal wankers pussyfooting around racial issues and in many ways this can be more degrading and damaging than any racial slur. ther are many horrendous examples of the damage your p.c. crusading does to people of color. why don't you all shut up and listen to a few minorities for once, just cool your heels listen to the good,and the bad without falling into the trap of thinking you know what is best. if you are offended then good!stay silent, keep listening give up your right to be offended. you will learn something. but pc watchdog is bringing up a more easily overlooked and more dangerous form of racism. taking up the duty of protection of minorities as if they cannot take care of themselves puts you in a superior mindset. and if you are feeling superior...who are you acknowledging as disadvantaged? someone who has more pride in themselves as a human being than you can imagine,and someone who does not have the luxury of forgetting that they are a minority. so why don't all of the hot headed know-it-all's just shut up for a few posts and let the ignorant,and the affected say what they feel while you sit back and learn that victoria is a much more colorful place than you have let yourselves see. - Thu, 8 May 2003 11:21pm | ||
| True Canadian | Yup, I think that pc has a major chip on his shoulder, monkey on the back, etc... You should relax budy. You're not black, so give it a break. In Vancouver, people of Indian decent are almost as disliked as oriental people. You should be one of the antiracists in this convo. BC in general has little compassion for orientals or East Indians. The racist words roll of tongues as easy as "yes, no, hello, goodbye". These anti oriental & anti east Indian words are a part of allot of peoples regular language. That must make you feel real good???? After gangsta's like Bindi and his buds left a very bad taste in peoples mouths. - Thu, 8 May 2003 11:35pm | ||
| Anonymous | p.c. watchdog has the majority of posters against him. so being a victim of racial prejudice himself and being disliked by the group makes him more oppressed than all of you. and since he has offended so many posters it can be argued that his opinions are more revolutionary than the rest of the group. i lke the p.c. watchdog and i would rather have him on my side than a thousand finger pointing activists. he has a sense of humour. and humour can be a powerful weapon AGAINST RACISM. anger however is not. anger is a powerful weapon FOR RACISM. and a gun...well, that's just a powerful weapon in any hand. - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:09am | ||
| Anonymous | So let me get this straight. 1. It's OK to use the term nigger. 2. Those who object are PC idiots. 3. The opinions of people of colour rule over white people's opinions on the subject of racism. Way to go, Victoria. - Fri, 9 May 2003 9:24am | ||
| True Canadian | No one said that he was repressed or dislikes him because of race. He just has an odd sense of right and wrong! One confused individual! Sounds to me like he would rather be white. Nothing wrong with that, but not to be proud of who you are and to want to be something else is a little "Michael Jacksony" to me! Buys into all the rehtoric! - Fri, 9 May 2003 10:59am | ||
| True Canadian | Let me straighten you out anon poster! 1-Most posters on this thread find the word offensive 2-Is the only one you got correct! 3-No where did I see that anyone thought that the opinions of people of color were more important when it came to racism! As one poster put it, go to any country of color and you will find much racism. - Fri, 9 May 2003 11:07am | ||
| confused | It seems that the original poster wanted to know why the word nigger was offensive. Instead of yelling your ant- rascist or rascist insults, use this forum to educate without bullying. Nobody responds well to abuse and you all take part in that on this board. How many of you would say the things you say under anonymity, face to face? - Fri, 9 May 2003 11:24am | ||
| Dr.LOAD | PC Watchdog, if I were to see somebody say to his girlfriend "Get over her and suck my dick you filthy fat slut.", I (as I think most sane people) would find that offensive even though I am neither female nor his girlfriend. This is a perfectly logical and reasonable argument for why the word "Nigger" is found offensive by white people as well, because it is verbally degrading to the African American race. P.s. When you verbally bit a piece out of True Canadian when he said he was black (the whole you want a medal thing), doesn't make you out to be the most open minded of people. - Fri, 9 May 2003 11:57am | ||
| True Canadian | TY DR LOAD! You have recapped perfectly (as usual). I see what the topic is and has been. You see it, as do most on this thread. There are those however that live in a very small space within their minds, that can't get passed what most of us are saying. They seem to think that (excuse the pun) that calling the kettle black, is all there is to it! Negative conitations are regretable, no matter what they are and thanks for clearly pointing that out. Again, you hit the nail on the head! - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:12pm | ||
| Watching this stupid thread | "Way to go, Victoria" Shut up you moron, you are dealing with 5 or 6 internet nerds, not Victoria. Idiot. - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:19pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Anyone who uses the word nigger to degrade someone can fuck the fuck off. Go back to the 1820's plantations dicks. There's no place for that shit in my world. Don't know about yours.... - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:20pm | ||
| Troutbreath | There was a time in the early days of this province when the logging companies had to put up signs that said: "No Englishmen need apply" cause the English were such useless twits when it came to logging. Most of it was being done by Swedes and Norwegians. Just another fun fact. - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:25pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Yeah, I work up in Courtney, Campbell River, Scumberland area all week, and there's monuments to the thousnads of Chinese folks who built that area on their backs way in the day. Of course they were segregated and all that nonsense. There was a dude named ginger goodwin who organized their labour union then too. He got hunted down in the woods and murdered by the dudes who owned the mills. There's a by-way named after him and everyone has bumper stickers with his name on 'em. Fun.... - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:33pm | ||
| Troutbreath | The history of the coal miners in Ladysmith is pretty brutal as well. The Dunsmiurs were not nice people. Craigdarroch Castle was built by the blood of those workers. - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:40pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Yeah fuck the main drag in Scumberland is called Dunsmuir rd. Nice eh? - Fri, 9 May 2003 12:57pm | ||
| der | So, I've read this long thread and find the concensus (among posters who seem to possess half a brain) is using "nigger" is not cool. Right on, dudes. (Seems obvious to me, but I guess progress must always be made slowly.) - Fri, 9 May 2003 3:45pm | ||
| Anonymous | ROSS BAY it sounds like you work for Danmark. - Fri, 9 May 2003 3:48pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | no i drive trucks up there for some shitehole local produce company which shall remain nameless until you see it on the news after I set fire to it with all the employees locked in a blast freezer.... - Fri, 9 May 2003 3:49pm | ||
| Jimmy Bay | Stand back fellers, ma cuzin' is goin' Postal!!! - Fri, 9 May 2003 7:31pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Are ya with ma jimmy? yer either with ma or agin me, there'll be no inbetwixt.... - Fri, 9 May 2003 7:40pm | ||
| Spark | So, just one more question. Would you, P.c. Watchdog, find it offensive if I called you a Pakki? And don't feed us any bullshit about context. - Fri, 9 May 2003 7:43pm | ||
| pc watchdog | i would not. but i bet a bunch of the antiracist white folks on here would take issue. it would offend them. to me it's just a word. i have other names for people such as yourself too. would you be offended if i called you bleachskin? - Fri, 9 May 2003 7:49pm | ||
| Anonymous | You're one confused dude of colour, PC Watchdog. - Fri, 9 May 2003 9:02pm | ||
| Anonymous | after reading over the posts here i feel like pointing out something that i hope will be useful to some of you. SARCASM THIS INFORMATION IS USEFUL WHETHER WE ARE READING ABOUT 'WHY METAL AND PUNK SUCKS', OR ABOUT 'IS THE WORD NIGGER RACIST?' some people like to mix a little bit of sarcasm in with their points. when you misunderstand what they have written because you are in the habit of trusting what they have written as being what they believe, you allow yourselves to get confused. looking at the watchdogs varied responses i would venture that he is not in the least bit confused and not nearly as angry as you might assume from taking his words at a glance. if you imagine yourself wearing blinders like a horse while reading a persons words you can imagine that beyond the blinders there may be other contexts that you are missing by only looking straight ahead. take them off and be a little creative with your reading. it helps me a great deal when i am reading to be wary of everyone's writing but not draw any conclusions or make assumptions about their beliefs,after all even the most stubborn of people have been known to change their oppinions once in awhile, plus it is not uncommon for people to hold more than one oppinion on a subject depending on the perspective they chose to look at it from, sometimes these oppinions seem to contradict each other at first glance, but taking a wider scope when analizing them can in fact show very clearly the intent of the writer. If someone sets out to offend you and you allow yourself to get offended, then you have taken the bait. now it is important for you to question why you reacted that way. not, why what they said was stupid or wrong, but what has shaped your view of the world and the way you interperate information. if you really consider what has lead you to hold an oppinion you may be less likely to embarass yourself by being tricked into responding with a kneejerk type post. it is really great to get to learn these little bits of information about the history of the island and the things that people had to go through to lay the ground work for the place that we now live. thanks for sharing your trivia! - Sat, 10 May 2003 3:32am | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | I always mean to read posts this long, but I just can't be bothered. - Sat, 10 May 2003 6:22am | ||
| helonwheels User Info... | scrolling all the time, scrolling all the time. - Sat, 10 May 2003 6:30am | ||
| True Canadian | Hnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg! Snoring! - Sat, 10 May 2003 7:10am | ||
| Der | Dear long poster - So you say, in your long and boring message, that we shouldn't believe racist posters, that they are just pulling our strings and we are a bunch of suckers. Someone, I don't believe these wankers are up to the complex mind games you ascribe to them. That is, at least for the most part, absolute crap. You like giving us advice? Here's some for you and your racist buds. Get a life. Stop calling people nigger. And for God's sake, stop playing that banjo on your back porch. - Sat, 10 May 2003 11:16am | ||
| Anonymous | i'm gonna use the word nigger every day now. i have never used it before but now... it seems like a good idea. thanks niggers. - Sat, 10 May 2003 1:56pm | ||
| Anonymous | i hate and fear you all. when it comes down to it, man is a just a bad animal. - Sat, 10 May 2003 2:08pm | ||
| Anonymous | Bunch of 'tards. - Sun, 11 May 2003 12:41am | ||
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